No-Wild Shape Druid

[X3r4ph]

Introduction
In my experience Wild Shape is such a defining feature of the Druid, both in respect to fluff and power, that you have to use it to experience the full force of the Druid. I believe this is a lost opportunity for people, like me, that love nature casters in general (just look at the huge amount of Druid Archetypes DM's Guild has pushed out) but hates that we are shoe-horned into using Wild Shape.
In my opinion WotC should have kept Wildshape as an archetype feature. This would have opened up for so many other cool archetypes for the Druid, that doesn't have to pay respect to Wild Shape as a defining feature.

I acknowledge that many of you are die hard Wildshape fans and I am sure you have good points to why it makes sense that the Druid has this ability both from a historical, fictional and dnd-classical view. However, this is not the thread where we discuss how much we love Wild Shape.

This is thread where we try to find a balanced alternative feature.

Edit: Also, Fey Pact Warlocks, Nature Clerics and Lore Bards make fine nature casters. But playing one of those instead of the Druid is not a fix, but more of a workaround.


Alternative Feature Thoughts
In 3.X, as far as I remember, the Druid had two alternative versions that exchanged Wild Shape for something else.

One was the Aspect of Nature (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/UA:Wild_Shape_Variant:_Aspect_of_Nature) The other was the Druid Variant (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/UA:Druid_Variant). Both were very nice alternative options. However, it would be quite impossible to just use them in 5E without a bit of redesigning.

What do you guys think would be a fair tradeoff for Wild Shape? I would love to hear your ideas for a well balanced alternative.


List of Alternatives
The listed alternatives are primarily meant for the Circle of the Land druid. Be wary of using any of these alternatives with other Druid archetypes. Especially Circle of the Moon, in which case, I suggest you ignore this exercise entirely.

Aspect of Nature Druid
Remove: Wild Shape, Beast Spells and Archdruid
Gain: Aspect of Nature (See below)

Starting at 2nd level, you can use a bonus action to magically enhance yourself with the power of nature. You can use this feature twice. You regain expended uses when you finish a short or long rest.
Your druid level determines aspects you can take, as shown in the Aspects table.

Aspects
Level
2nd — Rubble, Embers and Leaves
4th — Streams, Winds, Roots
8th — Air, Earth, Fire and Water

Aspect of Rubble

Your AC can’t be less than 14, regardless of what kind of armor you are wearing.
You have advantage on Dexterity (Stealth) checks to hide in rocky terrain.
You can move across difficult terrain made of earth or stone without expending extra movement.


Aspect of Embers

You have resistance to fire damage.
Once per turn you can add fire damage to one of your melee or ranged attacks equal to your proficiency.
You can chose to shed light like a torch.


Aspect of Leaves

At the start of each of your turns, and when you activate this aspect, you gain temporary hit points equal to your proficiency bonus.
You have advantage on Dexterity (Stealth) checks to hide in forests and other lush areas.
Whenever you use an ability to restore hit points to a creature, the creature regains additional hit points equal to the spells level. You must be in direct sunlight or adjacent to a fresh water supply for this ability to work.


Aspect of Streams

You can breathe air and water.
You have a swimming speed of 30 feet.
You have advantage on Dexterity checks to escape a grapple.


Aspect of Winds

You can hold your breath indefinitely while you’re not incapacitated
You have a flying speed equal to half your current walking speed. This benefit works only in short bursts; you fall if you end your turn in the air and nothing else is holding you aloft.
You can use your reaction when you fall to reduce any falling damage you take by an amount equal to five times your Druid level.


Aspect of Earth

You can meld and move through natural soil and rock formations. Every foot of meld movement costs 1 extra foot. You must remain within 2 feet of the surface. This allows you to pass through natural walls or similar obstacles. You can't use this ability to move through worked stone or brick walls. If you end your turn inside a wall or obstacle, you are shunted out to the nearest open space.
Your unarmed damage deals 1d4 damage. The damage increases as if you were a monk of 8 levels lower.
Your AC can’t be less than 16, regardless of what kind of armor you are wearing.


You can have one aspect active at a time. It lasts for a minute after which you revert to your normal form unless you expend another use of this feature. You can revert to your normal form earlier by using a bonus action on your turn. You automatically revert if you fall unconscious, drop to 0 hit points, or die.

Starting at 18th level you can have two aspects active at the same time.

Starting at 20th level you never revert back to your normal form unless you chose to.

Divine Druid
Remove: Wild Shape, Beast Spells and Archdruid
Gain: Channel Divinity (as Cleric), Channel Divinity: Turn Undead and Channel Divinity: Domain (See below)

Your Druid archetype would decide what Channel Divinity: Domain feature you would get. Circle of the Land would get Channel Divinity: Charm Animal and Plants. A DM's Guild archetype like Circle of the Sun might get Channel Divinity: Radiance of the Dawn.

Cunning Druid
Remove: Wild Shape, Beast Spells and Archdruid
Gain: Cunning Action

Note: If you are a Circle of the Land Druid you could add other cunning actions depending on your chosen land.

Cunning Actions Depending on Land

Jungle/Mountain : Climb Onto Bigger Creature and Climb Speed.
Desert: Disarm and Sandwalk
Ocean: Overrun and swim speed


Metamagic Druid
Remove: Wild Shape, Beast Spells and Archdruid
Gain: Metamagic

Beast Master Druid
Remove: Wild Shape, Beast Spells and Archdruid
Gain: Ranger's Companion, Exceptional TRaining, Bestial Fury, Share Spells

Warden Druid
Remove: Wild Shape, Beast Spells and Archdruid
Gain: Warden Forms

Starting at 2nd level, you can use a bonus action to magically take the form of nature. You can use this feature twice. You regain expended uses when you finish a short or long rest.
Your druid level determines forms you can take, as shown in the Forms table.

Forms
Level
2nd — Form of the Dread Serpent, Form of the Faultless Tracker, Form of the Relentless Panther, Form of the Swamp Hunter
4th — Form of the Fearsome Ram, Form of Mountain's Thunder, Form of the Laughing Killer
8th — Form of the Willow Sentinel, Form of the Walking Conflagration, Form of Winter's Herald

Form of Winter's Herald
Effect: You assume the guardian form of the willow sentinel for up to one hour. While you are in this form, you negate any forced movement on you, although you still take any associated damage as normal. In addition, you and any ally adjacent to you have advantage on all saves or checks made to resist being grappled, restrained, or any effect that includes forced movement.

Once per transformation, you may use the following ability:
when an adjacent enemy attacks an adjacent ally, you can use your Reaction to give Disadvantage on that attack, and make a melee weapon attack against the triggering enemy.

[hymer]

Have you considered a Nature Cleric or Lore Bard?

[Joe the Rat]

My first inclination is to make any variants as a Circle. Having a circle that completely rewrites a core class feature is atypical, but not terribroken.

Aspect of Nature - that's the grow claws and leaves one, right? Picking up a set of options that use the wildshape timer would work. I'm looking at it like an invocation or four winds laundry list of options. Additional picks with cirlce feature progrssions? Follow the normal WS limits (aquatic at 4, flight at 8, elemental at...?). You lack the onion factor from wildshape, but cannot be "knocked out" of your features... may need another benefit, or simply add a thp aspect.

Borrowing from hymer's idea, steal Channel Divinity from Cleric (specifically the Nature options). You may need to add an additional function since you do not have the default "turn undead." This would probably work best with Land Circle casting... I'd still be inclined to make this a separate circle (Sun Circle - it contrasts the Wildshape-heavy Moon Circle) and give them a custom "domain" list.

[MrStabby]

Yeah, I like nature magic - I even like wildshape, but I often want to play a class without.

I would suggest replacing it with sorcerer style metamagic for the moon druid. This gives you the full caster but have replaced one defining feature with another. Wildshape like sorcery points goes up with level.

Taking land druid and swapping out the weaker wildshape for metamagic might be too powerful.



My other gripe, is that there are not enough druidy spells without going elemental druid. I would quite like a few more viable plant and animal themed spells. (Although occasional re-fluff can assist)

[gkathellar]

... on reflection, I agree. Wild Shape could absolutely be contained entirely in Circle of the Moon, and the druid class wouldn't suffer for it.

Actually, now that I think about it, back in 3E the three powers of the druid were:
Spellcasting
Wild shape
Animal companion

It would be straightforward enough to have one path for each of these, wouldn't it? All druids would remain spellcasters, but one path would focus on its specifically, while the wild shape path would turn into things, and the animal companion path could take notes from the druid's classic focus on summoning spells.

Hmm.

[Arkhios]

To think about it, Turn Undead would fit well for druids because undeath is an affront to the natural circle of life. Druids love all things natural, right? Undeath is unnatural in every possible way.

[D.U.P.A.]

Have you considered a Nature Cleric or Lore Bard?

They have quite different spell list.

[hymer]

They have quite different spell list.

True, but OP doesn't seem particularly attached to the spell list, or at least doesn't mention it. Nature Cleric and Lore Bard could/should pick up enough nature-themed spells to be able to pull off the vibe of the mentioned 'nature casters'.
So it seems to me worth asking whether the existing alternatives have been explored before embarking on homebrew. It might also be easier to homebrew using the nature cleric as a skeleton than the druid class.

[GorogIrongut]

Your thread reminded me of the fact that other threads are currently discussing the shaman. And then it occurred to me that you could take the druid chassis, strip off wild shape, keep the nature related spells and swap out a few with a necromantic bent, and then add an undead familiar of some sort (minor ghost, spirits of some sort, etc.) and you'd have a good build for a shaman.

So thanks for broaching this subject as now I'm tempted to try and work out all of those kinks.

[Joe the Rat]

I'm a big fan of poaching archetypes from other classes - I wonder if Necro Wizard or Death Cleric would work for the shaman... or maybe some divination? Augury would be a really good shaman talkin' to de spirits spell.

[King539]

Huh. When I found this thread, I was just wondering what one could replace Wild shape with.

Wild shape and related class features:
2nd level: Wildshape
4th level: WS improvement
8th level: WS improvement
18th level: Beast Spells
20th level: Archdruid

I propose the following list of replacements for these abilities:
2nd level: Turn Undead (as cleric)
4th level: Turn Undead also affects Aberrations
8th level: Either nature cleric's Divine Strike, or extra use of Turn Undead (unsure)
18th level: Spell Mastery (as wizard)
20th level: Signature Spells (as wizard)

Edit: And then I remember Favored Enemy

[Giant2005]

Huh. When I found this thread, I was just wondering what one could replace Wild shape with.

Wild shape and related class features:
2nd level: Wildshape
4th level: WS improvement
8th level: WS improvement
18th level: Beast Spells
20th level: Archdruid

I propose the following list of replacements for these abilities:
2nd level: Turn Undead (as cleric)
4th level: Turn Undead also affects Aberrations
8th level: Either nature cleric's Divine Strike, or extra use of Turn Undead (unsure)
18th level: Spell Mastery (as wizard)
20th level: Signature Spells (as wizard)

Edit: And then I remember Favored Enemy

Those options are far too powerful and combat related to replace Wildshape. Wildshape is strictly a utility ability for the Land Druid, so it would need to be replaced with a utility ability.
The Ranger has plenty - poach their abilities instead.

[Georlik]

Introduction
What do you guys think would be a fair tradeoff for Wild Shape? I would love to hear your ideas for a well balanced alternative.

I am a huge fan of "if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it".

There are plenty of options for a nature oriented caster:
Nature Cleric would be the best fit, but you might also look into:
Transmuter wizard
Paladin of the Ancients
Ranger
Totem barbarian
Or any other class with Hermit background/Nature-oriented race (such as Forest Gnomes and Elves)/Magic initiate/Ritual Caster

Depending on what level of magic you prefer.

[Zejety]

... on reflection, I agree. Wild Shape could absolutely be contained entirely in Circle of the Moon, and the druid class wouldn't suffer for it.

Actually, now that I think about it, back in 3E the three powers of the druid were:
Spellcasting
Wild shape
Animal companion

It would be straightforward enough to have one path for each of these, wouldn't it? All druids would remain spellcasters, but one path would focus on its specifically, while the wild shape path would turn into things, and the animal companion path could take notes from the druid's classic focus on summoning spells.

Hmm.

Your Legend is showing. ;-)

[gkathellar]

Your Legend is showing. ;-)

Damn it, I could have sworn I threw away all of my shirts with holes in them.

[ClintACK]

What do you guys think would be a fair tradeoff for Wild Shape? I would love to hear your ideas for a well balanced alternative.

*Tons* of things could be at the right power level to be a balanced trade. What kind of fluff are you looking for?

Off the top of my head:
- Some kind of summoned animal or nature spirit with primarily out-of-combat utility. (Essentially a refluffed Familiar...) Adding utility at higher levels (like see through the hawk's eyes).
- Something along the Primeval Awareness -- Commune with Nature axis.
- Something like the Nature Cleric's ability to charm plants and animals.
- Something like the Beast Master Ranger.
- One extra Circle Spell at each level where you get them.
- Something like the Archfey-patron Warlock abilities.

So... what kind of "nature caster" are you looking to play?

[tieren]

I don't think you should replace it, maybe just customize for new circles.

I like the alter self style approach getting natural armor, or claws, or at the appropriate levels maybe even gills or wings.

I personally would like to see a more plant based circle. Maybe let the druid turn into a small ent for two uses of wild shape or something.

[Giant2005]

You could make a subclass that gives the Druid the ability to use their Wildshape uses to cast spells. Have the equivalent spell slot level increase whenever you would normally receive a subclass feature.
It might sound boring for a subclass, but not much more boring than the Land Druid anyway, and most daily casters would kill to get their hands on a couple of short rest spell slots without it harming their daily progression. There would need to be a hard limit of twice per short rest though, otherwise the capstone would get even more broken.

[X3r4ph]

A lot of awesome ideas and comments. Great ideas and thoughts on the subject!
I have taken the liberty to update the first post with my thoughts to "why don't you just play a Nature Cleric". I think that is great workaround to remain a nature caster. However, the goal of this thread is experience the Druid. It's spells and it's archetypes, without being hampered by Wild Shape.

Personally I have become pretty hooked on the Aspect of Nature redesign. It offers something new to the Druid that other classes doesn't have. It is a feature that requires a lot more work than simple switching one feature for another. But I think the end result could become quite awesome.

I have updated the original post with a list outlining your ideas. I think I got all your ideas down.

Looking forward to you evaluations of balance and content.

[Arkhios]

I like what you've done with the aspects, and I'd like to contribute with a suggestion (or suggestions, which I'll update later if I get more ideas):

Aspect of Earth:
* You can meld with natural soil and rock formations and as a part of your move action, although for each feet you move this way you must use 4 additional feet. You must remain within 1 feet of the surface. This allows you to pass through natural walls or similar obstacles. You can't use this ability to move through worked stone or brick walls.
* Your unarmed damage deals 1d4 damage (increasing per level as a monk of 8 levels lower)
* Your AC can't be lower than 16 regardless of the armor you use.

[X3r4ph]

I like what you've done with the aspects, and I'd like to contribute with a suggestion (or suggestions, which I'll update later if I get more ideas):

Aspect of Earth:
* You can meld with natural soil and rock formations and as a part of your move action, although for each feet you move this way you must use 4 additional feet. You must remain within 1 feet of the surface. This allows you to pass through natural walls or similar obstacles. You can't use this ability to move through worked stone or brick walls.
* Your unarmed damage deals 1d4 damage (increasing per level as a monk of 8 levels lower)
* Your AC can't be lower than 16 regardless of the armor you use.

That is a great idea. Kinda like the Earth Elemental Earth Glide ability? Just a bit weaker? Very cool.

Edit: 4 extra feet is a bit much isn't it? Let's say you wanna pass through a wall to get past an enemy occupying a 5 feet square. that would cost 25 ft of movement. And you would have to end in a square adjacent to the enemy. It seems a bit underwhelming.
How about 2 feet instead. A 5 feet move through a wall would cost 15 feet. Most characters would still have some movement left after that.

[georgie_leech]

I still think you should poach the 4e Warden Forms. Mainly because those were intended for a warrior, so they'll add capabilities oriented towards physical combat. That'll make them a fair switch for Wildshape. They'll break bounded accuracy a bit if not converted though, because 4e had a different design concept on the mathy side.


Bonus Action
Effect: You assume the guardian form of the willow sentinel for up to one hour. While you are in this form, you negate any forced movement on you, although you still take any associated damage as normal. In addition, you and any ally adjacent to you have advantage on all saves or checks made to resist being grappled, restrained, or any effect that includes forced movement.

Once per transformation, you may make the following attack:
Attack: Make a melee weapon attack against an enemy adjacent to you that makes an attack roll against an ally as a reaction. The enemy makes the attack against your ally at disadvantage.

(Notes: my intent is that forced move is automatically negated on you, but not damage. But that if something allows a single save for damage and forced movement, you/ally get advantage on the save and negate or take 1/2 damage as usual for the successful save.
Also the reaction attack is supposed to provide disadvantage to the enemy attack regardless of if you hit or miss with your attack.)

Perhaps, 'when an adjacent enemy attacks an adjacent ally, you can use your Reaction to give Disadvantage on that attack, and make a melee weapon attack against the triggering enemy.'

[8wGremlin]

Too simple?
But would Storm Sorcerer, that picked spells from Druid list be any good?

[R.Shackleford]

Introduction
In my experience Wild Shape is such a defining feature of the Druid, both in respect to fluff and power, that you have to use it to experience the full force of the Druid. I believe this is a lost opportunity for people, like me, that love nature casters in general (just look at the huge amount of Druid Archetypes DM's Guild has pushed out) but hates that we are shoe-horned into using Wild Shape.
In my opinion WotC should have kept Wildshape as an archetype feature. This would have opened up for so many other cool archetypes for the Druid, that doesn't have to pay respect to Wild Shape as a defining feature.

I acknowledge that many of you are die hard Wildshape fans and I am sure you have good points to why it makes sense that the Druid has this ability both from a historical, fictional and dnd-classical view. However, this is not the thread where we discuss how much we love Wild Shape.

This is thread where we try to find a balanced alternative feature.

Edit: Also, Fey Pact Warlocks, Nature Clerics and Lore Bards make fine nature casters. But playing one of those instead of the Druid is not a fix, but more of a workaround.


Alternative Feature Thoughts
In 3.X, as far as I remember, the Druid had two alternative versions that exchanged Wild Shape for something else.

One was the Aspect of Nature (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/UA:Wild_Shape_Variant:_Aspect_of_Nature) The other was the Druid Variant (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/UA:Druid_Variant). Both were very nice alternative options. However, it would be quite impossible to just use them in 5E without a bit of redesigning.

What do you guys think would be a fair tradeoff for Wild Shape? I would love to hear your ideas for a well balanced alternative.


List of Alternatives
The listed alternatives are primarily meant for the Circle of the Land druid. Be wary of using any of these alternatives with other Druid archetypes. Especially Circle of the Moon, in which case, I suggest you ignore this exercise entirely.

Aspect of Nature
Remove: Wild Shape, Beast Spells and Archdruid
Gain: Aspect of Nature (See below)

Starting at 2nd level, you can use a bonus action to magically enhance yourself with the power of nature. You can use this feature twice. You regain expended uses when you finish a short or long rest.
Your druid level determines aspects you can take, as shown in the Aspects table.

Aspects
Level
2nd — Rubble, Embers and Leaves
4th — Streams, Winds, Roots
8th — Air, Earth, Fire and Water

Aspect of Rubble

Your AC can’t be less than 14, regardless of what kind of armor you are wearing.
You have advantage on Dexterity (Stealth) checks to hide in rocky terrain.
You can move across difficult terrain made of earth or stone without expending extra movement.


Aspect of Embers

You have resistance to fire damage.
Once per turn you can add fire damage to one of your melee or ranged attacks equal to your proficiency.
You can chose to shed light like a torch.


Aspect of Leaves

At the start of each of your turns, and when you activate this aspect, you gain temporary hit points equal to your proficiency bonus.
You have advantage on Dexterity (Stealth) checks to hide in forests and other lush areas.
Whenever you use an ability to restore hit points to a creature, the creature regains additional hit points equal to the spells level. You must be in direct sunlight or adjacent to a fresh water supply for this ability to work.


Aspect of Streams

You can breathe air and water.
You have a swimming speed of 30 feet.
You have advantage on Dexterity checks to escape a grapple.


Aspect of Winds

You can hold your breath indefinitely while you’re not incapacitated
You have a flying speed equal to half your current walking speed. This benefit works only in short bursts; you fall if you end your turn in the air and nothing else is holding you aloft.
You can use your reaction when you fall to reduce any falling damage you take by an amount equal to five times your Druid level.


Aspect of Earth

You can meld and move through natural soil and rock formations. Every foot of meld movement costs 1 extra foot. You must remain within 2 feet of the surface. This allows you to pass through natural walls or similar obstacles. You can't use this ability to move through worked stone or brick walls. If you end your turn inside a wall or obstacle, you are shunted out to the nearest open space.
Your unarmed damage deals 1d4 damage. The damage increases as if you were a monk of 8 levels lower.
Your AC can’t be less than 16, regardless of what kind of armor you are wearing.


You can have one aspect active at a time. It lasts for a minute after which you revert to your normal form unless you expend another use of this feature. You can revert to your normal form earlier by using a bonus action on your turn. You automatically revert if you fall unconscious, drop to 0 hit points, or die.

Starting at 18th level you can have two aspects active at the same time.

Starting at 20th level you never revert back to your normal form unless you chose to.

Channel Divinity
Remove: Wild Shape, Beast Spells and Archdruid
Gain: Channel Divinity (as Cleric), Channel Divinity: Turn Undead and Channel Divinity: Domain (See below)

Your Druid archetype would decide what Channel Divinity: Domain feature you would get. Circle of the Land would get Channel Divinity: Charm Animal and Plants. A DM's Guild archetype like Circle of the Sun might get Channel Divinity: Radiance of the Dawn.

Lesser Metamagic
Remove: Wild Shape, Beast Spells and Archdruid
Gain: Metamagic

Beast Master
Remove: Wild Shape, Beast Spells and Archdruid
Gain: Ranger's Companion, Exceptional TRaining, Bestial Fury, Share Spells

In all honesty, if you gave me the choice to have Cunning Action instead of wildshape I would take it and not look back.

Thr Land Druid + Cunning Action is absolutely evil.

I would make an Urchin Wood Elf Druid (Circle of the Land) so dang hard.

[X3r4ph]

In all honesty, if you gave me the choice to have Cunning Action instead of wildshape I would take it and not look back.

Thr Land Druid + Cunning Action is absolutely evil.

I would make an Urchin Wood Elf Druid (Circle of the Land) so dang hard.

Cunning Action instead of Wildshape is an elegant solution. It does however suffer from the same problems as the Metamagic and Channel Divinity fixes. You are stepping on somebody else's toes.

Would there be other actions that would be more suitable? Maybe something from the DMG extended list of actions? Or the few left? Climb onto Bigger Creature, Disarm, Dodge, Mark, Overrun, Search, Shove Aside, Tumble?

Just brainstorming here. :)

[X3r4ph]

I still think you should poach the 4e Warden Forms. Mainly because those were intended for a warrior, so they'll add capabilities oriented towards physical combat. That'll make them a fair switch for Wildshape. They'll break bounded accuracy a bit if not converted though, because 4e had a different design concept on the mathy side.


Bonus Action
Effect: You assume the guardian form of the willow sentinel for up to one hour. While you are in this form, you negate any forced movement on you, although you still take any associated damage as normal. In addition, you and any ally adjacent to you have advantage on all saves or checks made to resist being grappled, restrained, or any effect that includes forced movement.

Once per transformation, you may use the following ability:
when an adjacent enemy attacks an adjacent ally, you can use your Reaction to give Disadvantage on that attack, and make a melee weapon attack against the triggering enemy.

(edit: Thanks to georgie_leech below for fix to transformation ability)

(Notes: my intent is that forced move is automatically negated on you, but not damage. But that if something allows a single save for damage and forced movement, you/ally get advantage on the save and negate or take 1/2 damage as usual for the successful save.
Also the reaction attack is supposed to provide disadvantage to the enemy attack regardless of if you hit or miss with your attack.)

Seems like the Warden's forms is the evolution of the Aspect of Nature. Very cool idea and lots of awesome forms to design from.

I will add it to the list.

[X3r4ph]

Too simple?
But would Storm Sorcerer, that picked spells from Druid list be any good?

It really depends on how strong the Druid spell list is compared to the Sorcerer's?

It would definitely get the nature caster feel, but I feel it would be too different from a regular Druid.

[Arkhios]

That is a great idea. Kinda like the Earth Elemental Earth Glide ability? Just a bit weaker? Very cool.

Edit: 4 extra feet is a bit much isn't it? Let's say you wanna pass through a wall to get past an enemy occupying a 5 feet square. that would cost 25 ft of movement. And you would have to end in a square adjacent to the enemy. It seems a bit underwhelming.
How about 2 feet instead. A 5 feet move through a wall would cost 15 feet. Most characters would still have some movement left after that.

Actually, IIRC, I saw the "4 extra feet" rule somewhere in the books, but unfortunately I can't remember where exactly.
Now that I think of it though, I think I aimed for something similar to the effect of moving in difficult terrain. Personally I wouldn't allow Aspect of Earth treat the "lesser earth-glide" as if moving through difficult terrain per say, because otherwise some feats and other special effects would allow weird shenanigans with it (for example Mobile would allow you to Dash through difficult terrain without penalty to your speed)

[georgie_leech]

Actually, IIRC, I saw the "4 extra feet" rule somewhere in the books, but unfortunately I can't remember where exactly.


You might be thinking of the Plant Growth spell, which can create Super Difficult Terrain (that isn't actually Difficult Terrain) that costs 4 feet per foot of movement to move through.

[R.Shackleford]

Cunning Action instead of Wildshape is an elegant solution. It does however suffer from the same problems as the Metamagic and Channel Divinity fixes. You are stepping on somebody else's toes.

Would there be other actions that would be more suitable? Maybe something from the DMG extended list of actions? Or the few left? Climb onto Bigger Creature, Disarm, Dodge, Mark, Overrun, Search, Shove Aside, Tumble?

Just brainstorming here. :)

You could add others but I would take just Cunning Action and be happy.

You could give them additional actions with Cunning action depending on their land choice.

Jungle/Mountain : Climb Onto Bigger Creature and Climb Speed.

Desert: Disarm + Sandwalk

Ocean: Overrun + swim speed

[Arkhios]

You might be thinking of the Plant Growth spell, which can create Super Difficult Terrain (that isn't actually Difficult Terrain) that costs 4 feet per foot of movement to move through.

That might be it, thanks. :)
4 extra feet per 1 feet moved might indeed be a bit too harsh for an ability that's supposed to be for your own benefit, albeit with a price. Plant Growth is technically a "debuff", so it's reasonable that the speed reduction is so high for that spell.

[X3r4ph]

You could add others but I would take just Cunning Action and be happy.

You could give them additional actions with Cunning action depending on their land choice.

Jungle/Mountain : Climb Onto Bigger Creature and Climb Speed.

Desert: Disarm + Sandwalk

Ocean: Overrun + swim speed

Although it requires a little home brew, that is a brilliant idea.

I will add a note to it in the Cunning Druid description.

[R.Shackleford]

Although it requires a little home brew, that is a brilliant idea.

I will add a note to it in the Cunning Druid description.

Thank you :)

Glad I could help!

[X3r4ph]

I'm a big fan of poaching archetypes from other classes - I wonder if Necro Wizard or Death Cleric would work for the shaman... or maybe some divination? Augury would be a really good shaman talkin' to de spirits spell.

Poaching the Wizard is a pretty neat idea. Necromancy works great for a spirit druid or death druid. Abjuration is pretty cool for an earth based druid. Yeah, this is pretty cool idea.
Also, since the wizard archetypes aren't the defining features of the vanilla wizard I don't feel one would be stepping on the toes of the group's wizard if you poached a different wizard archetype.

This would be a pretty simple solution. It requires very little houseruling and has a low "stepping on others toes" chance.

I will add this to the list.

[R.Shackleford]

Poaching the Wizard is a pretty neat idea. Necromancy works great for a spirit druid or death druid. Abjuration is pretty cool for an earth based druid. Yeah, this is pretty cool idea.
Also, since the wizard archetypes aren't the defining features of the vanilla wizard I don't feel one would be stepping on the toes of the group's wizard if you poached a different wizard archetype.

This would be a pretty simple solution. It requires very little houseruling and has a low "stepping on others toes" chance.

I will add this to the list.

One of the best NPCs that WotC ever made was a lich druid in 3.0/3.5.

[Planeshifter:]

I played 4E years ago, and have played Pathfinder in more recent years, but since the opportunity to play as GM has come up, and D&D 5E has gained Planeshift: Zendikar and Plane Shift: Innistrad, I'm rather interested in introducing my Pathfinder play group to it this way, but I'd like to take care of some aspects before I attempt. Namely, the Wild Shape druid class feature, in this case. It started from me making a mock-attempt at crafting canon characters as NPCs, starting with Nissa.

This is when it became fairly obvious that Nissa, Zendikari druids/shamans, and frankly, majority of druids/shamans in MTG's multiverse hardly ever turn into animals/beasts in the way Wild Shape suggests. My goal is to replace the feature and/or come up with a Druid Circle that works for this end. Circle of the Animist for Nissa and some sort of Awakening and Elemental summoning/Elemental companion and Circle of the Totem/Circle of the Umbra for casting a *temporary* spell-like effect that bestows the druid with a temporary aura-shield with beast attributes, only question is what the default Wild Shape should become.

I was thinking Channel Divinity (or "Channel Nature") that differs based on terrain, not just using the "Nature" domain, or even Elemental (the energy type, not the creature type) to setup for druid/shamans like Kiora or Chandra.

Lastly, for simplicity, since Wild Shape AND the Circle occur at level 2, it's possible the only Circles available in my campaign would immediately replace Wild Shape or at least relegate it to a purpose exclusively as fuel for special spells (perhaps the umbras, or uniquely behaving elemental companions, or all-one-element Wizard schools of spells)

[Planeshifter:]

I think perhaps Wild Shape could be replaced with a summoning ability with the same number of uses as time goes on, and same duration as Wild Shape, and in my case, have a Druid Circle for determining what special thing is summoned. I suppose instead of a Beast Companion, by default the Druid could summon a beast, and a Circle of the Animist would change beast to elementals, a Circle of the Umbra would change beast to an umbra of chosen beast, and I suppose a medium level feature of a Circle of ____ (elementalist?) would add an elemental quality to the beast, and a higher level feature would swap out beast with an appropriate magical creature, like phoenix for fire, for example.

Perhaps instead of Beast Spells/Archdruid, at a higher level, the beast or elemental could become a companion of sorts.

[Planeshifter:]

Trying to simplify things here. As someone said, druids used to care about A. Spellcasting, B. Wild Shape, C. Animal Companion, and someone suggested altering druid circles and thus Wild Shape and associated features to play them up.

What if Circle of the Land's alternative to Wild Shape is to use the number of uses to modify spells as they're cast?

1 Use of this alternate feature could modify spells differently;

Any spell: If using the spell point system, generate 1 spell point towards the casting of the spell.

Any non-immediate spell: Increase duration one time by the unaltered duration (1 min would become 2 min, and a 2nd use would make it 3 min, not 4 min)

Spell that itself deals damage: Add one die of the specified size. (If a spell dealt 2d4 dmg, it deals 3d4 damage, also, spells like Shillelagh won't make the weapon's damage die increase)

Spell with DC: Increase DC by 1.
Ranged spells: Increase range by 5ft.
Spells that conjure creatures: A. Conjure 1 additional creature B. Increase CR by WIS?

Any other parameters that could be augmented in a balanced way?