Just For Fun: Most Attractive D&D Females & Males

[Regitnui]

There's something oddly attractive about a dwarven woman. My favorite iteration was in Castle Faulkenstein where they have small tufts of hair underneath their chin that is the softest material men can find. You can talk about female beards all day, but once you touch a good female dwarf beard, you find it hard to go back.

(Oh please let this whole topic shift to preferences on females in fantasy races :)


Please don't kill halflings, the female ones are very attractive.


If you're into smaller women, sure. I prefer the slender kind (half-elves).

So, there's three opinions. What do you playgrounders think?

I say: (in no particular order):
Females: half-elves, humans, elves, tiefling
Males: Humans, half-orcs, goliaths, aasimar.

[Officer Joy]

Ever since TES4 Oblivion. I've had a certain attraction too Half-Orc ladies, it was the lady that wanted to be a knight. But I don't remember much details about her storyline, but her voice and heroic personality was so lovely.

[Fishyninja]

Not D&D based but there is something about a strong lady, maybe not physically but someone you just know you hand you your rear end without breaking a sweat, like Mjoll the Lioness, or Tauriel or Arwen etc.

[Regitnui]

Ever since TES4 Oblivion. I've had a certain attraction too Half-Orc ladies, it was the lady that wanted to be a knight. But I don't remember much details about her storyline, but her voice and heroic personality was so lovely.

Mazoga (http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Mazoga_the_Orc_(person))? I remember that quest, but I spent most of TES:IV in my happy place, also known as the Shivering Isles.

[Officer Joy]

Mazoga (http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Mazoga_the_Orc_(person))? I remember that quest, but I spent most of TES:IV in my happy place, also known as the Shivering Isles.

Yep that's the one, I also remeberd correctly that she wanted to join a white club, but it was stalion not lotus.

[DragonSorcererX]

In the TES Universe... probably Serana, because she is so beautiful, sweet and edgy.

In D&D... any high charisma spellcasting female from any of the most human-like races.

In Dragon Age... my god, the female dwarves were so cute!

[Dachimotsu]

I'm mostly familiar with the girls from the D&D cartoon: Sheila and Diana.

Both are pretty hot.

[Willie the Duck]

Mentzer Basic introductory adventure, Aleena the Cleric.

Although let's be honest, it's whomever the model that Larry used for all the women he draws, since they are all the same kind of beautiful.

[Fishyninja]

In the TES Universe... probably Serana, because she is so beautiful, sweet and edgy.

In D&D... any high charisma spellcasting female from any of the most human-like races.

In Dragon Age... my god, the female dwarves were so cute!

From the Dragon Age Series, Morrigan and Merril, one dark and sultry, one Awkwards as heck.

In Mass Effect. Tali, solely cause she's an engineer and awkward.

[Tanarii]

Kitiara on the cover of Dragons of Winter Night is probably may favorite attractive D&D female. Laurana (same drawing) gives her a run for her money. Although I find the one of her standing over Sturm's body to be a better one of her.

Of course, I'm using a different standard for "attractive".

[Christian]

Tieflings. Give me the bad girls any day of the week.

OK, the promotional cartoons for D&D 4E kind of got me. I don't know who did the voice of that tiefling lady, but that throaty Eastern European accent was the bomb. I was 100% ready to be her partner in crime! "Here is ze plan, Natasha. Hee-hee! Ve vill surely get zat moose and sqvuirrel zis time!"

[The Shadowdove]

Succubus.

Celestials.

[Iden Elric]

Imma give my three, one from D&D, one from a video game, and one from literature, all fantasy based.


1) From D&D I found that both myself, and my character I was playing were most awed by females that had a slightly aluring sense of adventure and risk, as well as an appreciation for the little things in (fantasy) life; homes, scenery, and respect for life (unless they were trying to kill us or get in our way.)


2) Morrigan from Dragon Age Origins. Not going to lie, I just started playing the DA series, and I already am totally on board with the whole character concept of Morrigan. She's ready to kick ass, and look good doing it. Not to mention that she's not the overly flirtatious type, but still has a good look to her (despite DAO looking like ass compared to most of todays graphical standards.)


3) Aria from the Inheritance Cycle series by Christopher Paolini. She's an elf, knows how to hold her own in both combat and in negotiations between races and countries, but has a tender side that doesn't repel most once they get past her intimidation demeanour. Overall, pretty dang wholesome individual.

[D.U.P.A.]

I have yet to see a female dwarf with a beard, except some fanfiction. In all main fantasy settings like D&D, Warhammer and others they are all beardless. In LOTR Dwarves seem to reproduce with spores like Orks, thats why we see only boyz there.

[Tanarii]

I have yet to see a female dwarf with a beard, except some fanfiction. In all main fantasy settings like D&D, Warhammer and others they are all beardless. In LOTR Dwarves seem to reproduce with spores like Orks, thats why we see only boyz there.Or like in the Discworld, you are seeing the girlz, you just can't tell the difference.

[IShouldntBehere]

So, there's three opinions. What do you playgrounders think?


I had some ideas but then my computer screen spontaneously sprouted a pony tail and fedora. I can't really see it that well any more so I'll defer to this guy:
http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/80/8015ea6fb4ed949a29cfcf5501a46491e524fdbfb950f4580a 91d97305151068.jpg

[Fishyninja]

Tieflings. Give me the bad girls any day of the week.

OK, the promotional cartoons for D&D 4E kind of got me. I don't know who did the voice of that tiefling lady, but that throaty Eastern European accent was the bomb. I was 100% ready to be her partner in crime! "Here is ze plan, Natasha. Hee-hee! Ve vill surely get zat moose and sqvuirrel zis time!"

Also this ^

[D.U.P.A.]

Or like in the Discworld, you are seeing the girlz, you just can't tell the difference.

Well, Discworld is more of a parody, so I didn't count it.

[2D8HP]

Those silky Driders

http://pathfinderwiki.com/mediawiki/images/thumb/f/f8/Drider1.jpg/500px-Drider1.jpg

http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/rsz_tumblr_m2e2ya4jgx1r2s92r_5982.jpg

https://66.media.tumblr.com/a9ed5a9b5494147d2d2a32439b0ebf90/tumblr_oab1rxZeS21ud3u0oo1_1280.jpg

[Tanarii]

Well, Discworld is more of a parody, so I didn't count it.
:smalleek:

I get what you mean, but personally I loved their take female dwarves. Of course they exist. You've even seen them. You just assumed they were males.

[GlenSmash!]

In the TES Universe... probably Serana, because she is so beautiful, sweet and edgy.

In D&D... any high charisma spellcasting female from any of the most human-like races.

In Dragon Age... my god, the female dwarves were so cute!

I know right? I thought Sigrun In Dragon Age Origins: Awakening was super cute. Would have romanced in a Heartbeat. And I liked that in Dragon Age Inquisition you could romance Scout Harding. Short and Curvey with Freckles. grrrr.

Tall thin and Dark haired is great too. Like Morrigan from DA, Yennefer from the Witcher, or Luthien from the Silmarilion. I think those are all High charisma spellcasters, like you mentioned.

Edit: I forgot the most important part. Must have a strong, independent personality.

[Drackolus]

I'm a sucker for healers, really of any race or gender. I suppose I just like people like me. It's a part of why I like my partner as much as I do.
Tough characters are nice too, especially ones with good causes. Paladin-style characters are nice, though the whole religious ferver bit is a deal breaker. Hope is inspiring, faith is frustrating. I find those characters interesting and enjoyable to play with or as, but not attractive.

There's also always something to be said about power. Power is a pretty basic attraction thing.

[DragonSorcererX]

Those silky Driders

Oh yes Driders!

The thing I love about fantasy, is that it is ok to make everything as human as possible, because why not... why those chitin plates, fur and scales would not grow only in convenient places... why not every female look beautiful and every male look like an asian boyband member (this last part just described most of Final Fantasy characters...).

[2D8HP]

Those tusky half orcs!
http://orig13.deviantart.net/59d2/f/2013/351/0/c/baldur_s_gate_fan_art____half_orc_girl___by_dar_de vil-d6u3ig7.jpg

http://img02.deviantart.net/14d4/i/2011/082/8/c/wow__orc_girl_by_lp_slash_queen-d3carij.png

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/6a/60/cf/6a60cf66a3b55c43409f566365585721.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/3a/0f/47/3a0f4791e39bbd362c28d2ec799d4c13.jpg

[Douche]

I've always dreamt of being taken captive by a Drow priestess. I want her to keep me in a cage & only take me out to be her filthy slave boy, licking her feet clean after she's been walking around barefoot all day. She would also whip & torture me for her own amusement.

[Drackolus]

... and every male look like an asian boyband member (this last part just described most of Final Fantasy characters...).

Really only 7, 8, 10, and 13. Y'know, the popular ones.
Not that I find anything wrong with asian boy band members.
EDIT: oh, and 15 of course, the one that does that the most. And best.

[Falcon X]

I am all about the Spellscale.
There's something about the look of a very attractive woman who also has a thin layer of scales and an aura of the arcane about her.

Oh, sweet lady :)
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l167/godzilla5939/Spellscale_by_lug0si.jpg


Other fanart:
http://www.deviantart.com/tag/spellscale?offset=0

[D.U.P.A.]

:smalleek:

I get what you mean, but personally I loved their take female dwarves. Of course they exist. You've even seen them. You just assumed they were males.

Still I wonder why fanbase still portray dwarven women with beards, yet most established settings have all beardless dwarven women.

[Naanomi]

A cursory glance online tells me it's either Tabaxi or Yuan-Ti...

[comk59]

I... had a very odd compaign that involved romancing Deep Ones.

http://t13.deviantart.net/HyIWsI_eCWjcIZH6OxDWMx1wsWA=/300x200/filters:fixed_height%28100%2C100%29:origin%28%29/pre03/147d/th/pre/f/2010/267/a/0/swamp_thing_by_b1nd1-d2zeo49.png

http://pre02.deviantart.net/c1de/th/pre/i/2012/332/0/9/deep_one_by_douzen-d5mhfmi.jpg

It wasn't as bad as you'd think...

[The Shadowdove]

Tieflings. Give me the bad girls any day of the week.

OK, the promotional cartoons for D&D 4E kind of got me. I don't know who did the voice of that tiefling lady, but that throaty Eastern European accent was the bomb. I was 100% ready to be her partner in crime! "Here is ze plan, Natasha. Hee-hee! Ve vill surely get zat moose and sqvuirrel zis time!"


Okay I agree.

I'd be interested in a tiefling with elven blood in her.

http://i1308.photobucket.com/albums/s603/micridley/b66c7f16c53f8774d642b78c97742d37_zpsscrcr5mi.jpg~o riginal (http://s1308.photobucket.com/user/micridley/media/b66c7f16c53f8774d642b78c97742d37_zpsscrcr5mi.jpg.h tml)

Or a Fey'ri

http://i1308.photobucket.com/albums/s603/micridley/images%2044_zpsbyr9toju.jpg~original (http://s1308.photobucket.com/user/micridley/media/images%2044_zpsbyr9toju.jpg.html)

[Professor Beard]

If I were a homesteader in a fantasy world I would want to find a nice dwarf girl. Sturdy, reliable, usually LG l, and able to handle a hammer in battle and construction. Add to that the Mul offspring (canon in most of my homebrew worlds though they can breed) to tend the farm and fight off goblins, as well as cousins and brother's in law when danger comes, and I am a happy homesteader. "Sexy" be damned, I like practical in any world that has dragons and goblins.

[Regitnui]

Okay I agree.

I'd be interested in a tiefling with elven blood in her.


Well, technically speaking, the Inspired from Eberron, when not possessed by psionic fiends that feed on dreams, are humans with elvish and tiefling ancestry... They resemble their cousin race Kalashtar who are fusions of human and said psionic dream fiends who had a change of heart (or equivalent moral organ)

[CursedRhubarb]

Tabaxi, Yuan-Ti, Yuan-Ti Purebred, Dragonborn, or Kobald.

[comk59]

Tabaxi, Yuan-Ti, Yuan-Ti Purebred, Dragonborn, or Kobald.

I'm sorry, you choose Kobold?

http://pre13.deviantart.net/a3dc/th/pre/f/2013/182/4/c/pooit__kobold__by_chochi-d6bk3qo.jpg

Withdrawn. I'm into it.

[CursedRhubarb]

I'm sorry, you choose Kobold?

It's D&D. Only limited to the imagination. Let's see if I can get pictures to work...

https://static1.e621.net/data/9d/bc/9dbcf8fce437fc38a7e29a06dc69e82f.jpg

https://static1.e621.net/data/bf/14/bf1463318ef057527011bc115e00ffa1.png

Cool, got it to work on a phone :D

[Zilong]

Though, on kobolds, as a reptilian species that also possess hermaphroditic traits (at least according to volo's), why the hell do pictures of female kobolds have boobs?

...I do admit those posted kobolds are rather fetching...

Also, half-elves are almost always nice in the eye candy department, regardless of gender.

[Fishyninja]

Those silky Driders


Literally my worst nightmare.


It's D&D. Only limited to the imagination. Let's see if I can get pictures to work...

https://static1.e621.net/data/9d/bc/9dbcf8fce437fc38a7e29a06dc69e82f.jpg

https://static1.e621.net/data/bf/14/bf1463318ef057527011bc115e00ffa1.png

Cool, got it to work on a phone :D

They are cute, I think so far Elven races and Tieflings in D&D are winning, however the Half Orc's have something too.

[Naanomi]

On the reverse end, I'd picture aasimar guys as pretty hot

[Fishyninja]

On the reverse end, I'd picture aasimar guys as pretty hot

What module do they come from?

[Naanomi]

What module do they come from?
Huh? They are playable in Volo's but they are the angelic equivalent of tieflings... I don't picture Tiefling males as terribly attractive but aasimar seems like it would turn out pretty good

[Fishyninja]

Huh? They are playable in Volo's but they are the angelic equivalent of tieflings... I don't picture Tiefling males as terribly attractive but aasimar seems like it would turn out pretty good

Ah thank you, sorry newbie here so still learning.

[DragonSorcererX]

Really only 7, 8, 10, and 13. Y'know, the popular ones.
Not that I find anything wrong with asian boy band members.
EDIT: oh, and 15 of course, the one that does that the most. And best.

I also don't find anything wrong with them.

The characters from that FF3 Remake on Steam look pretty "Boy Bandy" (also, its not a true Final Fantasy but, almost every Square Enix male character in Kingdom Hearts look that way, wich is cool).

[Tanarii]

This thread is doing absolutely nothing to dispel the stereotypes about male nerds :smallbiggrin:

[Fishyninja]

This thread is doing absolutely nothing to dispel the stereotypes about male nerds :smallbiggrin:

Fair point :smallbiggrin: but I would like to direct you to the below quote.


On the reverse end, I'd picture aasimar guys as pretty hot

If OP allows I would be more than happy to hear anyone and one any gender, to be honest mancrushes are awesome.

[DragonSorcererX]

This thread is doing absolutely nothing to dispel the stereotypes about male nerds :smallbiggrin:

I am trying not to be sexist by "fighting fire with fire", if we make the female look hot, we must also make the male the same way (not that I know anything about this, I only observe how the world has been these days...).

[Nifft]

I like the redhead on the bottom-right of this image from the DMG (p.243):


http://i.imgur.com/8VmTzWS.jpg


I guess humans are my type.

[Beleriphon]

I like the redhead on the bottom-right of this image from the DMG (p.243):


http://i.imgur.com/8VmTzWS.jpg


I guess humans are my type.

What's funny is she's totally not paying attention to that map, like at all. She's really, really giving that elf looking guy googly eyes.

[DragonSorcererX]

I really like this dwarf woman from 4e books, but, even myself, a guy who likes "armors that reveal" think that her armor does not make sense:

http://connorscampaigns.wdfiles.com/local--files/d-d-races/Dwarves1

[Belac93]

Half elves of any gender are great looking, female tieflings, and humans of course. :smallbiggrin:

Also, all gnomes. I have no idea why.

[Addaran]

Neeshka from NWN is so cute and funny.

My absolute favorite is Shandra Jerro though. She's down to earth, cute, hardworking, got great lines and she becomes a great fighter. I also have a thing for ladies in armor. =P

[CursedRhubarb]

I am trying not to be sexist by "fighting fire with fire", if we make the female look hot, we must also make the male the same way (not that I know anything about this, I only observe how the world has been these days...).

I agree, but my picks wouldn't change for best males. I know lots of people like the elves and angelic/demonic races but I've never been able to get into those. They just come across too plastic and are too close to human so tnd to be bland in design to me. Also tend to smell of tween fanfic. Gimme monster girls and boys.

[Naanomi]

Fantasy men in general are hard to judge, there isn't much space between grossly hypermasculine and weirdly feminine

[Professor Beard]

I am trying not to be sexist by "fighting fire with fire", if we make the female look hot, we must also make the male the same way (not that I know anything about this, I only observe how the world has been these days...).

4e Mul from the Dark Sun books. An entire race of people that look like The Rock and Vin Diesel had a love child. The women are not my type, but I have a Mul male picture on my workout inspiration board.

[DragonSorcererX]

I agree, but my picks wouldn't change for best males. I know lots of people like the elves and angelic/demonic races but I've never been able to get into those. They just come across too plastic and are too close to human so tnd to be bland in design to me. Also tend to smell of tween fanfic. Gimme monster girls and boys.

Well, if I had a player that liked "bears" or Sportacus-like guys, I would keep introducing npcs like these as potential love interests...


4e Mul from the Dark Sun books. An entire race of people that look like The Rock and Vin Diesel had a love child. The women are not my type, but I have a Mul male picture on my workout inspiration board.

In Dark Sun everyone must either be like that in order to survive or be a templar (even the eladrin from that book looked more though).

[Foxhound438]

Though, on kobolds, as a reptilian species that also possess hermaphroditic traits (at least according to volo's), why the hell do pictures of female kobolds have boobs?

...I do admit those posted kobolds are rather fetching...

Also, half-elves are almost always nice in the eye candy department, regardless of gender.

I think the better question is why do male kobolds not have boobs?

[Foxhound438]

anyways, call me basic, but I'd say it's humans.

[Tanarii]

Fair point :smallbiggrin: but I would like to direct you to the below quote.

On the reverse end, I'd picture aasimar guys as pretty hot

Aasimar men are too feminine. Like Orlando Bloom's Legolas, or the sparkly vampires from the movies that must not be named. Only a 15 yo teenybopper would find that attractive.

[DragonSorcererX]

I think the better question is why do male kobolds not have boobs?

Wouldn't that be a Kobold Trap? (Oh my Bahamut... I am watching too much Anime...)

[CursedRhubarb]

Wouldn't that be a Kobold Trap? (Oh my Bahamut... I am watching too much Anime...)

Gives a Kobold Cave run an entirely different perspective.

Also reminds me of this great gag:(beware what can not be unseen)
http://iamarg.com/comics/2013-08-30.jpg
XD

[Naanomi]

Aasimar men are too feminine. Like Orlando Bloom's Legolas, or the sparkly vampires from the movies that must not be named. Only a 15 yo teenybopper would find that attractive.
I disagree, apart from no body hair and a tendency towards long hair, Aasimar (and angels) tend to be drawn pretty reasonably compared to say... elves.

DnD PC races to my eyes:
~Too monstrous therefore not really attractive: Aracokra, Bugbears, Tabaxi, Lizardfolk, Kenku, Kobold, Dragonborn
~Tend to be too feminine for my tastes: Elves, Half-Elves, Some Tieflings
~'Exotic' Humans sometimes done well but often just weird: Some Genasi, Tieflings, Yuan-Ti Pureblood, Triton
~The Sweetspot of human or humanlike, perhaps with exotic but not off-putting features: Humans, Some Genasi, Aasimar, Some Half-Elves, Some Dwarves
~Hypermasculanized blocks of muscle that are pretty gross: Most dwarves, 1/2 Orcs, Orcs, Goliath, many Humans
~Small races with weird proportions that are too creepy or kid-like to be classically attractive: Halflings, Gnomes
~Races that are just weirdly proportioned in unattractive ways: Goblin, Hobgoblin, Firbolg

[ChildofLuthic]

I have a real thing for half-orc girls. I imagine them as being muscular, but lean, and I imagine that orcish aggression doesn't stop when they get in the hut...

As for males, I imagine half-orcs as looking really nice, especially if you're into muscle definition. A lot of them are drawn ugly but then you get pictures like this:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/ce/d9/cb/ced9cbe00380679f1af2351361e30968.jpg

I like a lot of the art for the Aasimaar too, but I can't imagine dating an Aasimar, as they seem self righteous and too "pretty." But as far as eye candy goes, not bad. Not bad.

[Temperjoke]

You know, for me there really isn't a single "most" attractive race. They all have characteristics that appeal to me in different ways and different times depending on my mood. :smallamused:

[Âmesang]

This thread reminds me of using SoulCalibur IV and V's character creation mode to depict some of my characters…


Quintessa of House Neheli
https://www.schadenfreudestudios.com/forum/quintessaXX.png

https://www.schadenfreudestudios.com/forum/quintessaXXX.png

Den Bloodsoul
https://www.schadenfreudestudios.com/forum/deniseXX.png
…and saddens me a bit because my Xbox 360 "red-ringed" for the final time during the summer of last year and I haven't gotten around to replacing it yet or switching to the Xbox One, unless there's a way for me to transfer over my save files—I am not starting over!!

[DragonSorcererX]

You know, for me there really isn't a single "most" attractive race. They all have characteristics that appeal to me in different ways and different times depending on my mood. :smallamused:

Even Anthropomorphic Half-Dragon Platypus (because they are born from draconic eggs and have dragon boobs) Dragonborns?

[Temperjoke]

Even Anthropomorphic Half-Dragon Platypus (because they are born from draconic eggs and have dragon boobs) Dragonborns?

Hey, don't kinkshame me! :smallredface: Never said I was proud >.>

[DragonSorcererX]

Hey, don't kinkshame me! :smallredface: Never said I was proud >.>

Dragonborn is my favorite race, but they seem to be sooo "samurai" to the extreme that I don't see them mating for anything other than the greater good/world domination...

For my homebrew campaign setting I was thinking of describing the dragonborn more like spellscales than, well, dragonborn... because dragonblood is hot (or cold) :smalltongue:...

[ChildofLuthic]

Dragonborn is my favorite race, but they seem to be sooo "samurai" to the extreme that I don't see them mating for anything other than the greater good/world domination...

For my homebrew campaign setting I was thinking of describing the dragonborn more like spellscales than, well, dragonborn... because dragonblood is hot (or cold) :smalltongue:...

That could work. I'm really happy none of my players wanted to be a dragonborn, because they basically don't exist in my world.

[Sabeta]

snip

Heh, in my homebrewed setting I created an entire pantheon of gods, and allowed some of those gods to be killed and their powers absorbed by the Gods that represent Humans. Which ultimately explains why Half-Elves and Half-Orcs exist, but not Half-Halflings and Half-Dwarf, I then took it a step farther and wrote that interspecies mating between different sentient species was not only possible, but socially acceptable. The resulting child would just always take after the mother, with only superficial traits from blended inheritance kicking in, and then went through the lengthy process of writing up how all of the races view various interspecies courtships, for examples Elves are really picky and don't date any race that's too short or too brutish (not normally anyways), and likewise Orcs tend not to date people whose are entirely too weak.

But in all my carefully laid schemes I forgot about Dragonborn, so I ultimately just wrote them as "They don't breed with others, not because they can't, but because they're proud of their pureblooded heritage and want to keep it that way. On rare occasion they get frisky with a kobold."

[Regitnui]

Though, on kobolds, as a reptilian species that also possess hermaphroditic traits (at least according to volo's), why the hell do pictures of female kobolds have boobs?

Human artists. Kobolds would be mildly put off by that in the same way that humans would by an otherwise feminine figure with a masculine shape. Considering that breasts are (IRL) exclusive to humans, I doubt any of the non-humanoids would have them, and most humanoids would have different shapes or sizes. Perhaps a reason for the difficulty in finding lady dwarves is that the women are flat-chested outside of nursing... Further reading (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NonMammalMammaries).


If OP allows I would be more than happy to hear anyone and one any gender, to be honest mancrushes are awesome.

OK. Personally, I think half-orcs or goliaths probably have the best-looking guys, and I say that as a heterosexual male. What's yours?


Also, half-elves are almost always nice in the eye candy department, regardless of gender.

Half elves of any gender are great looking, female tieflings, and humans of course. :smallbiggrin:


My people! You're awesome!

[Sicarius Victis]

They all have their benefits. Just because they're different doesn't mean they're better or worse, it just means their perks are a bit more...unique.


Further reading (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NonMammalMammaries)

Did you seriously post a link to TVTropes? I hope you realize that at least one person here will follow that link and never escape from the site...

[Hawkstar]

All tabaxi are attractive. Yes, I know they're cat-headed, not catgirls/boys. But honestly, I have never really found a human face attractive. Half-orcs, especially those with the more pronounced lower jaws, sloped foreheads, and prominent brow ridges also look great (And large tusks). But full orc goes too far.

[CaptainSarathai]

I am all about the Spellscale.
There's something about the look of a very attractive woman who also has a thin layer of scales and an aura of the arcane about her.

Oh, sweet lady :)
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l167/godzilla5939/Spellscale_by_lug0si.jpg


Other fanart:
http://www.deviantart.com/tag/spellscale?offset=0

Someone else who even REMEMBERS Spell Scales? I used to play one back in 3.5 on the regular.
Don't think I'd find them too attractive though - not sure how it would feel to rub up against their scales. Especially since (iirc) spell scales can lose theirs, so less like a snake and more like running scalemail armor.

On the subject of forgotten races, I'll throw Vyrlokas into the mix. Half-vampires with pale skin and red hair? They look human otherwise, so it's just the redhead and slightly eastern-european thing.
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Personally, I get all the diversity I want from humans.
I'd say Halfling but they're about the size of a 5yo and that's messed up. A lot of their characters art (and gnomes too, I guess) depicts them as being cute as hell and "my type" when we're talking about real world girls (short, slim/petite, bright eyed and light hearted)

The Elves and Half Elves are always described as being super hot, and D&D is one of the last places where they are shorter than average humans.
What bothers me though is that Elves are attractive at all. They are also described as being "ethereal" and "otherworldly" or even "unnatural" in appearance. The LOTR films came out and Liv Tyler (smokin babe) played Arwen and it was just on from there out, but my favorite scene is actually Galadriel's monologue when offered the Ring; that's how I imagine Elves should look - pretty, but also alien and therefore kinda scary and off-putting.

And of course, I'm surprised that nobody mentioned Changeling yet. Sure they are a whole grab-bag of genders, but fluff says they usually identify at one point. But really, have whatever you want, whenever you want it.


I had some ideas but then my computer screen spontaneously sprouted a pony tail and fedora. I can't really see it that well any more so I'll defer to this guy:
http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/80/8015ea6fb4ed949a29cfcf5501a46491e524fdbfb950f4580a 91d97305151068.jpg

This. My god, so much this.

[Regitnui]

Did you seriously post a link to TVTropes? I hope you realize that at least one person here will follow that link and never escape from the site...

I often post links to TvTropes. I could post (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons) the (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/TabletopGame/DarkSun) campaign (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/Dragonlance]major[/URL] [URL="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/TabletopGame/Eberron)
setting's (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/TabletopGame/ForgottenRealms)pages (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/TabletopGame/Greyhawk) as (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/TabletopGame/Planescape) well. ("http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/TabletopGame/Ravenloft) That'll really get a of people with low Wisdom modifiers trapped. :smallbiggrin:


And of course, I'm surprised that nobody mentioned Changeling yet. Sure they are a whole grab-bag of genders, but fluff says they usually identify at one point. But really, have whatever you want, whenever you want it.

Changelings are best, but kinda creepy in our default form. We need a template to work off.

[Sicarius Victis]

I often post links to TvTropes. I could post (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons) the (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/TabletopGame/DarkSun) campaign (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/Dragonlance]major[/URL] [URL="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/TabletopGame/Eberron)
setting's (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/TabletopGame/ForgottenRealms)pages (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/TabletopGame/Greyhawk) as (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/TabletopGame/Planescape) well. ("http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/TabletopGame/Ravenloft) That'll really get a of people with low Wisdom modifiers trapped. :smallbiggrin:

The fiend casts Imprisonment! Make a Wisdom save!

Anyways, like I was mentioning earlier: I cannot think of a single humanoid, not-monstrous race that I wouldn't find appealing in one way or another.



Changelings are best, but kinda creepy in our default form. We need a template to work off.

All you need is some creativity. If play it right, and mix&match people's parts just right, you can look like, and be, anything you could imagine.

[Pronounceable]

I regret clicking on this thread. Will call it belated Cringemas.

Also, most attractive DnD folks are canonically gods and goddesses with their unreasonable charismas. Shar, for example, has something like 72 and an ability to irreversibly allure/dominate a mortal forever if I remember right. In hindsight, 3.5 simulationist philosophy was kinda dumb and bad.

[Regitnui]

The fiend casts Imprisonment! Make a Wisdom save!

Please, it's just a planar binding spell. Nothing so fiendish.


All you need is some creativity. If play it right, and mix&match people's parts just right, you can look like, and be, anything you could imagine.

Yeah, that's also true. Walking around as a stunningly attractive mongrelfolk has its own problems.

[Sicarius Victis]

Please, it's just a planar binding spell. Nothing so fiendish.

Good. I was starting to worry you were going to do my job for me. :smalltongue:


Yeah, that's also true. Walking around as a stunningly attractive mongrelfolk has its own problems.

Of course, if you've mastered your ability to that level, you're likely also more than capable of getting out of those problems.

Personally, I don't know what my favourite would be, when it comes to desired partners and such, and I'd prefer not to have one. I tend to prefer not to li it my options.

[Fishyninja]

OK. Personally, I think half-orcs or goliaths probably have the best-looking guys, and I say that as a heterosexual male. What's yours?
My people! You're awesome!

Celistials, something about wings and divine justice. Also Half orcs for the teeth.
I'm going to sound like a weirdo I know.

[Addaran]

Forgot about Changelings! I actually like them in their normal form. They are kinda ethereal and alien looking, but in a good way.

Also, ladies with scales. Pureblood yuan ti and the like i'm guessing. It does explain somewhat the "feminine" shape even if reptilian don't need breasts.



Don't think I'd find them too attractive though - not sure how it would feel to rub up against their scales.


If you've never touched a snake, it's kinda nice. Not at all rough and scratching like i imagined it before.

[Regitnui]

Forgot about Changelings! I actually like them in their normal form. They are kinda ethereal and alien looking, but in a good way.

Well, since we can change gender at will, should I take that as a compliment?


Also, ladies with scales. Pureblood yuan ti and the like i'm guessing. It does explain somewhat the "feminine" shape even if reptilian don't need breasts.

Technically speaking, yuan-ti get around the non-mammal mammaries (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NonMammalMammaries) by actually being mammals (yuan-ti pureblood) or former mammals (the other ones).

[Âmesang]

https://www.schadenfreudestudios.com/backup/pictures/avatars/iron%20man.png
"Hey there, Tony Stark A.K.A. 'Iron Man'.
I'm here to tell you about Marvel VS Capcom… ME.
Look, I'm going to be straight with you: this game has lots of girls.
You like girls?
I do.
Oh, man, you've got your demon girls, Asian girls, cat girls, black girls, bat girls, milfs, clone girls, robot girls…


*gasp*

…even dead girls, if you're into that kind of thing.
(I am.)"




Vlaakith, Lich-Queen of the Githyanki
https://www.schadenfreudestudios.com/dnd/npc%20vlaakith.png


I would have preferred a 'float' option for aligning the text to the image, but I suppose a table will have to do. Ah, well. Do you think rigor mortis helps with her… support?

[Akolyte01]

Tiefling. Grabbin' those horns sounds pretty fun.

├┬┴┬┴┬┴┬┴┤ ͜ʖ ͡°) ├┬┴┬┴┬┴┬┴┤

[Dachimotsu]

I keep checking back here to see if anyone besides me mentions the D&D cartoon.
*sigh* Oh well.

[Temperjoke]

I keep checking back here to see if anyone besides me mentions the D&D cartoon.
*sigh* Oh well.

In fairness, I was fairly young at that time that cartoon was on, and the animation didn't inspire those sort of thoughts later in my life. :P

[Naanomi]

I keep checking back here to see if anyone besides me mentions the D&D cartoon.
*sigh* Oh well.
Personality wise all the guys were pretty miserable... I guess redeemed Venger was pretty good looking for an 80s cartoon

[Fishyninja]

In fairness, I was fairly young at that time that cartoon was on, and the animation didn't inspire those sort of thoughts later in my life. :P

Early cartoons with lady lumps that maybe shouldn't have been there....Rogue from the 90's Xmen Cartoon.

[Hawkstar]

What do you mean "Shouldn't have been there"? Do you believe that women don't/shouldn't have breasts, or something?

[Fishyninja]

What do you mean "Shouldn't have been there"? Do you believe that women don't/shouldn't have breasts, or something?

I'm saying for a kids cartoon, the southern lass with the sexy voice and large breasts and skin tight vody suit was a blessing.

I was being sarcastic in my above post.

[Sicarius Victis]

I honestly haven't seen that cartoon. I've heard of it, and I've been meaning to find out about it, but I don't know much about it. Does anyone know if I can find any of it online or something?

[Regitnui]

I'm in the same boat. I'd like to watch it, but it's slipped down the priority list.

[comk59]

And Acrobat!

Sorry, that always cracked me up whenever I watched the show.

[Zalabim]

On the subject of forgotten races, I'll throw Vyrlokas into the mix. Half-vampires with pale skin and red hair? They look human otherwise, so it's just the redhead and slightly eastern-european thing.
Are you implying what I think you're implying? Because I think you're implying I need to go look up some Vyrloka character art.

In Hindsight, perhaps I should have specified "good" vryloka character art.

[Fishyninja]

I honestly haven't seen that cartoon. I've heard of it, and I've been meaning to find out about it, but I don't know much about it. Does anyone know if I can find any of it online or something?

Found an autoplaylist on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohg52XNzygE

Also for perspective: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/51/e3/10/51e3106eabe60175ff72c4086cea34cf.jpg

[VincentTakeda]

My favorites from D&D history, in no particular order....

Shandril
Alusair
Serpe (covergirl for the minrothad guilds I think)
That shadow elf girl from the gazetteer cover.

[Dachimotsu]

Personality wise all the guys were pretty miserable... I guess redeemed Venger was pretty good looking for an 80s cartoon

I disagree. Eric was my favorite character. He was the only character sensible enough to avoid pointless sidequests in favor of getting home faster.
And Venger was surprisingly intelligent and competent.

[Naanomi]

I disagree. Eric was my favorite character. He was the only character sensible enough to avoid pointless sidequests in favor of getting home faster.
And Venger was surprisingly intelligent and competent.
Except for the 'selling your soul to the obvious evil force called 'The Nameless One' when you were supposed to be intelligent and educated enough to know better' I suppose.

And really, Eric? I understand he was hamstrung by the writing (one of the requirements for the show was that anyone who went against the group would never be successful), but every time I thought he was reasonable the whole 'rich spoiled persona' reared its head and it was awful. By the end of the series he was a bit better, but still frequently insufferable.

If I had to choose one of the protagonists it would be Presto. Pretty significant self esteem issues, I suppose, but he is a teenager. Seems like he'd have grown up to be an intelligent and gentle guy.


Also for perspective
That show was pretty good for preteen/teen eyecandy across the board... Gambit, Forge, Bishop, Pyro, Cyclops' Dad...

[Sir cryosin]

I'll have to say any female from any race with very dominant human facial features and characteristics. With a tone body like Korra from legend of korra but that on the line of being to muscular that it off putting. but I find Lamia's (snake ones not the lion ones) very attractive even though I dont like being around snakes irl. But mermaid's and harpy's are close second.

[Dachimotsu]

And really, Eric? I understand he was hamstrung by the writing (one of the requirements for the show was that anyone who went against the group would never be successful), but every time I thought he was reasonable the whole 'rich spoiled persona' reared its head and it was awful. By the end of the series he was a bit better, but still frequently insufferable.


I didn't say he was likable, just that he was my favorite character. He stood out from the others, and it was easy to sympathize with his motivations.

[Naanomi]

I didn't say he was likable, just that he was my favorite character. He stood out from the others, and it was easy to sympathize with his motivations.
Fair enough. In the context of the 'most attractive' though he wouldn't be my first pick

[RazDelacroix]

In terms of casual out-of-hand thoughts, my money for attractive males & females would be Aasimar and Tieflings on an equal level. I could go into a personal explanation of why and how Planescape was my first campaign setting and how awesome it all shaped my RP life...

But really, we folks who tread the Playground understand the allure of the FORBIDDEN. The Taboo. The truly Unattainable!

And going by that, there really is one whom floats above the pinnacle of such idealized beauty. Even if we have never seen her appropriately out of those robes & sharpyness.

For the New Years Day reply comment of mine, I declare the most attractive entity to be Her Dreaded Serenity Herself...



The Lady of Pain.


Nevermind the one time she got on the cover of Dragon Magazine, that was definitely a trio of ratatosks having fun at our expense. That, and the Lady would've mazed/flayed the berk that got a picture like that of her.

[DragonSorcererX]

I'll have to say any female from any race with very dominant human facial features and characteristics. With a tone body like Korra from legend of korra but that on the line of being to muscular that it off putting. but I find Lamia's (snake ones not the lion ones) very attractive even though I dont like being around snakes irl. But mermaid's and harpy's are close second.

I see what you did there ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)... my favorite is the goo girl...

[Sir cryosin]

I see what you did there ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)... my favorite is the goo girl...


I think I know what your referencing with " I see what you did there" but I wasn't referencing that with my first statement. But the statement can hold for that as well. 😎

[mgshamster]

For me, it depends on the individual. Certain aspects of some people I find highly attractive, no matter what race. Most notably certain facial features (for example, I've always found a hooked nose unattractive - and it's one of the first things I notice on a person). Shape of the eyes, mouth, chin, and general facial structure are all important to me. General body shape is much less important.

And any or all of that can disregarded based on the mind behind the face.

With that said, I've always been more partial to Tieflings than any other D&D race, with these two being among the most attractive for me:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/48/c4/35/48c43536d6fc6f7cd9545d2500336051.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/26/4c/35/264c353642e9d8f5e950e2ed290d8593.jpg

[Âmesang]

For the New Years Day reply comment of mine, I declare the most attractive entity to be Her Dreaded Serenity Herself...


The Lady of Pain.
Relevant to your interests? :smallamused:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYJGmYsHCUg

[Fishyninja]

That show was pretty good for preteen/teen eyecandy across the board... Gambit, Forge, Bishop, Pyro, Cyclops' Dad...

Corsair? Though I also kinda like Emo-esque Rogue from X-Men Evolutions.


I see what you did there ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)... my favorite is the goo girl...


Hmm.....Squishy.

[Addaran]

Corsair? Though I also kinda like Emo-esque Rogue from X-Men Evolutions.


ShadowCat from X-men Evolutions is my favorite. =)

[Fishyninja]

ShadowCat from X-men Evolutions is my favorite. =)

Ah Miss Pryde she's cute too, though had a slightly bizarre relationship with Colussus.

[Addaran]

Ah Miss Pryde she's cute too, though had a slightly bizarre relationship with Colussus.

In comics too. I don't think age is ever spelled explicitly, but at first she was around 13 and he seems over 20.

[Fishyninja]

In comics too. I don't think age is ever spelled explicitly, but at first she was around 13 and he seems over 20.

Yeah it was a tad creepy

[Batou1976]

Those kobolds just didn't do anything for me. :smalleek:
I also find otherwise-attractive "female attributes" :smallamused: stuck on hideous packages (like the typical harpy or hag) to be extra-yuck. :smallfrown:

Give me THIS (http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=stranger+77&view=detailv2&id=FD63B2E86B08C768E6CEA6D510C4016A42DC360A&selectedindex=1&ccid=GwO2hjet&simid=608031400331315729&thid=OIP.M1b03b68637ad8fb7e50c505eb6d5bb7do1&mode=overlay&first=1) with pointy elf ears instead. :smallbiggrin:

I also liked the direction 4E went with female dwarves. No beards, as before, but finally they weren't lumpy-frumpy. They were round and HAWT. :smallbiggrin:

For some specific examples:

the young lady Strahd is about to drain, from the cover of the original 2E Ravenloft boxed set, has always been a personal favorite...

there's a Clyde Caldwell painting of a magic-using lady on a balcony I've always liked...

the blond elf lady from the frontispiece to the 2E PHB...

Lucia the elf, and the female shadow elves, from the Capcom D&D arcade games...

From Shadow of Mystara, the female shopkeeper in the gnome village you rescue from the chimera...

Also from SoM, the half-(or full-? :smallconfused: ) elf girl in the blue tunic tending another late-game shop

Princess Zelda... :smallbiggrin::smallwink:

The nymph from the first 2E Monstrous Compendium 3-ring binder...

Imoen...

Laurana and Silvara and Tika...

Oh, and Crysania!

Midnight, from the FR Avatar trilogy...

Not from D&D, but the lady on the right side background of the in-between-stages screens of Knights of the Round...

The succubus in the 5E Monster Manual (natürlich :smallamused: )...

Ok, now I'm having to think too hard to come up with more, so I guess I should just stop. :smallannoyed:

[Sigreid]

The most attractive female is the willing one. :smallbiggrin:

More seriously, being human I assume I'd be more inclined to the humans. Though if the overall shape is right, I don't think I'd be over bothered by height, horns, scales, et. all.

Edited to add nerd boy fantasy girl

http://images.comiccollectorlive.com/covers/0d9/0d921ff7-2d81-44d0-8fad-a0fee782d9fc.jpg

[VincentTakeda]

Who could forget snarfquest's Telerie

[Batou1976]

Who could forget snarfquest's Telerie
Those of us who never read Snarfquest, for starters... ;)

[Regitnui]

Those kobolds just didn't do anything for me. :smalleek:
I also find otherwise-attractive "female attributes" :smallamused: stuck on hideous packages (like the typical harpy or hag) to be extra-yuck. :smallfrown:


In those cases and in this edition, that's half the point. They are monsters, after all, even though they were both once women (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WasOnceAMan). They're not supposed to titillate, though.

[RumoCrytuf]

This has got to be the most novel thread I've seen on here.

On to the topic... I've got a thing for vampires.. or do they have a thing for me? ;)

[Âmesang]

Oh! That reminds me of wanting to cast a permanent animate objects on a severed hand. :smallbiggrin:

[Fishyninja]

Oh! That reminds me of wanting to cast a permanent animate objects on a severed hand. :smallbiggrin:

Would that count as Necrophilia?

[Inevitability]

Would that count as Necrophilia?

Fairly sure being a Construct overrides being dead in such cases. :smalltongue:

[Fishyninja]

Fairly sure being a Construct overrides being dead in such cases. :smalltongue:

True, it wasn't stated where the hand was severed from. Might have been a staute. That's Agalmatophillia.

[Steampunkette]

This might surprise you, but a lot of adults enjoy slender men who aren't hunking slabs of meat. Not just "Teenybopper 15 year olds" which is a really toxic viewpoint to have, by the way.

There's a reason Benthisdick Cucumberpatch is so popular. Tom Hiddleston, too. Lean builds can be pretty sexy.

Which is why I choose goblins!

http://thumbs.modthesims2.com/img/6/0/7/8/1/MTS_ladydragon0-805611-Untitled.jpg

... okay... so he's hardly a goblin. But he was super popular forever and a day for a reason.

Worth noting: Referring to women as "Females" has, due to the Fedora Brigade, become a fairly negative thing. Not telling you to change anything (don't have the authority to, anyway), just wanna let you know that it may be received in a bad light.

[Fishyninja]

This might surprise you, but a lot of adults enjoy slender men who aren't hunking slabs of meat. Not just "Teenybopper 15 year olds" which is a really toxic viewpoint to have, by the way.

There's a reason Benthisdick Cucumberpatch is so popular. Tom Hiddleston, too. Lean builds can be pretty sexy.

Which is why I choose goblins!

http://thumbs.modthesims2.com/img/6/0/7/8/1/MTS_ladydragon0-805611-Untitled.jpg

... okay... so he's hardly a goblin. But he was super popular forever and a day for a reason.

Worth noting: Referring to women as "Females" has, due to the Fedora Brigade, become a fairly negative thing. Not telling you to change anything (don't have the authority to, anyway), just wanna let you know that it may be received in a bad light.

I remember for a New Years Fancy Dress Party A friend of mine went as David Bowie's crotch.

[Hawkstar]

This might surprise you, but a lot of adults enjoy slender men who aren't hunking slabs of meat. Not just "Teenybopper 15 year olds" which is a really toxic viewpoint to have, by the way.

There's a reason Benthisdick Cucumberpatch is so popular. Tom Hiddleston, too. Lean builds can be pretty sexy.

Which is why I choose goblins!

http://thumbs.modthesims2.com/img/6/0/7/8/1/MTS_ladydragon0-805611-Untitled.jpg

... okay... so he's hardly a goblin. But he was super popular forever and a day for a reason.

Worth noting: Referring to women as "Females" has, due to the Fedora Brigade, become a fairly negative thing. Not telling you to change anything (don't have the authority to, anyway), just wanna let you know that it may be received in a bad light.
"Woman", however, implies human, which isn't accurate when we start taking oozes, beasts, monsters, and other crazy creatures into account.

[Sigreid]

Worth noting: Referring to women as "Females" has, due to the Fedora Brigade, become a fairly negative thing. Not telling you to change anything (don't have the authority to, anyway), just wanna let you know that it may be received in a bad light.

I hope we eventually get past so many people looking for ways to interpret things in order to be offended. Due to my experiences it would never occur to me that female had any negative social connotation and if someone got upset because I used the word in a particular situation I would be confused and probably defensive.

[comk59]

I hope we eventually get past so many people looking for ways to interpret things in order to be offended. Due to my experiences it would never occur to me that female had any negative social connotation and if someone got upset because I used the word in a particular situation I would be confused and probably defensive.

Yeah, welcome to the Internet. People will get upset about the weirdest things sometimes.

[Regitnui]

This has got to be the most novel thread I've seen on here.

On to the topic... I've got a thing for vampires.. or do they have a thing for me? ;)

Why thank you.

I don't know. What's your blood type?


This might surprise you, but a lot of adults enjoy slender men who aren't hunking slabs of meat. Not just "Teenybopper 15 year olds" which is a really toxic viewpoint to have, by the way.

It wasn't me who said that, was it? I do hold the view that the teenybopper marketing machine that produces Justin "he who shall not be named" Bieber and One Direction can be irritating due to excessive hype, but being a slender guy myself, I'd hardly assume the hulk is the only kind of appeal for women.

It's why I choose changeling and half-elf as my self-insert roleplaying races, if I want to pretend to be myself in a fantasy world.


Worth noting: Referring to women as "Females" has, due to the Fedora Brigade, become a fairly negative thing. Not telling you to change anything (don't have the authority to, anyway), just wanna let you know that it may be received in a bad light.

I'm aware, but I didn't want to limit the question to humanoids (I know you strange Zuggtmoy fans are out there somewhere). Referring to a woman as a "female" instead of a name or more humanizing word can be offensive, but you'd hardly call a female thri-keen (again, strange people) a 'woman' when she isn't even a vertebrate.

[Steampunkette]

Woman has less to do with the binary social construct of sex than it has to do with gender, though. Social construct of expected performance and all that. An elf can be a woman just as easily as a man. That's a big part of why the use of "Female" to refer to women has become negative: it specifically refers to sex organs rather than a fuller view of womanhood in society, which in part excludes trans women from the "Female" experience.

As to the "People will get offended by anything" meme: It's a load of crap. People aren't more offended or upset by the ugly things people have been saying for years. We're all just in a better position to confront the negativity that has been flying around without as much fear of imminent violence (Physical or Social) as retaliation. You're not seeing people who "Need to grow a pair". You're seeing people who finally have a backbone standing up to you and others rather than staying quiet. And as a person from inside the out-group you're creating, there, I think it's safe to say that my understanding of the group's motivation is a lot better than yours.

(Coincidentally, wouldn't growing a pair make someone weaker and more sensitive since it's a highly sensitive external organ that can't take a punch?)

And no, Regitnui, it wasn't you who commented on Teenyboppers. It was someone on page 2 or 3. Just figured I'd mention it because wow is it a toxic view. It degrades anything a teenage girl enjoys and is generally used as an insult in itself, because being a young woman is inherently bad and thus liking things that young women like is also bad... But there's nothing wrong with liking things teen boys like! (Queue onslaught of 80s kids and teen tv show movie reboots almost exclusively based on properties beloved by young boys)

But rather than rush off onto that tangent and the lock, let's talk about things that make characters attractive!

For women mostly it's going to come down to western ideals of feminine beauty thanks to the mass marketing force of western culture. So slender women with low to moderate muscle mass but decent definition, comparatively large eyes and small mouths, smooth and clear skin with as little facial or body hair as possible, fairly high bilateral symmetry particularly in the face, and a fairly high bust to waist ratio with some variation on how wide or narrow the hips get.

Premiere PC races which can easily attain such beauty standards: Elves, Half Elves, Tiefling, Aasimar, Humans, and Yuan-Ti Pureblood.
PC Races which can attain such beauty standards though it is more difficult: Dwarves, Half-Orcs, Goblins, Gnomes, Halflings, etc.
PC Races which cannot attain such beauty standards: Maybe Tabaxi, if they have actual cat-heads instead of being cat girls but that mostly depends on your DM. Goliaths and Bugbears, too, since they tend to be a bit too muscley. Dragonborn? Again depends on the setting.

What makes masculine characters attractive? No one knows.

No. Really. I'm serious.

When it comes to marketing attractive females there's a fairly simple (and incredibly widespread) static beauty level that people aspire to. When it comes to marketing attractive men there is no such standard. Everyone thinks of Fabio but he looks nothing like Clooney and even less like Depp. And neither Depp nor Hiddleston look anything like Schwarzenegger who was presented as a sex symbol in a lot of places in the 80s. And none of them look like Denzel Washington or Morgan Freeman and either of them could probably climb into a third of the population's bed without a complaint.

It would probably be easier to list the things that make men unattractive on a cultural basis than to find masculine beauty standards. Though that list would certainly include things like Poor Symmetry, high body fat, and patchy or sparse hair (Facial or otherwise).

Does that mean those beauty standards are exclusive and no other character can be attractive? Not even in the slightest. But nearly every image of a woman posted in this thread conforms to them (arguably not the Drider due to a lack of humanoid lower body but look at the humanoid upper body and even that mostly conforms) including a Deep One fish person.

It might be a more fun question to ask: What is it about D&D races you find attractive that isn't part of the western definition of beauty?

Personally I really like half-orc tusks because I think it would be really interesting to kiss someone with them. The different textures of hard tooth and hopefully somewhat soft lips would be nice or at least -different- even in a chaste kiss. I also like the idea of different types and textures of hair as my fingers run through it. Whether coarse and curly Half-Orc or silken Elven hair. I love the idea of rubbing my face against that of a female dwarf and enjoying her light and softer than most men's stubble on my cheek, or a lovingly conditioned beard. Or the smoothness of an elf man's chest as I stroke my hands across his tender flesh... You know they've gotta have some of the smoothest and softest skin around.

I'm not really sure how I'd feel about a lover who has scales or fur, like a yuan-ti or a hobgoblin...

I also wonder what these different races smell like... Whether their natural scents would be strong or dainty, musky or more salty from sweat... Would elves actually smell like the forest? Deciduous or Evergeen? Floral? Fruit? Berries..?

I can tell you I'd never find Halflings or Gnomes attractive. They seem too much like human children, to me, and it'd dbe really creepy. Goblins, though...

[Sir cryosin]

Woman has less to do with the binary social construct of sex than it has to do with gender, though. Social construct of expected performance and all that. An elf can be a woman just as easily as a man. That's a big part of why the use of "Female" to refer to women has become negative: it specifically refers to sex organs rather than a fuller view of womanhood in society, which in part excludes trans women from the "Female" experience.

As to the "People will get offended by anything" meme: It's a load of crap. People aren't more offended or upset by the ugly things people have been saying for years. We're all just in a better position to confront the negativity that has been flying around without as much fear of imminent violence (Physical or Social) as retaliation. You're not seeing people who "Need to grow a pair". You're seeing people who finally have a backbone standing up to you and others rather than staying quiet. And as a person from inside the out-group you're creating, there, I think it's safe to say that my understanding of the group's motivation is a lot better than yours.

(Coincidentally, wouldn't growing a pair make someone weaker and more sensitive since it's a highly sensitive external organ that can't take a punch?)

And no, Regitnui, it wasn't you who commented on Teenyboppers. It was someone on page 2 or 3. Just figured I'd mention it because wow is it a toxic view. It degrades anything a teenage girl enjoys and is generally used as an insult in itself, because being a young woman is inherently bad and thus liking things that young women like is also bad... But there's nothing wrong with liking things teen boys like! (Queue onslaught of 80s kids and teen tv show movie reboots almost exclusively based on properties beloved by young boys)

But rather than rush off onto that tangent and the lock, let's talk about things that make characters attractive!

For women mostly it's going to come down to western ideals of feminine beauty thanks to the mass marketing force of western culture. So slender women with low to moderate muscle mass but decent definition, comparatively large eyes and small mouths, smooth and clear skin with as little facial or body hair as possible, fairly high bilateral symmetry particularly in the face, and a fairly high bust to waist ratio with some variation on how wide or narrow the hips get.

Premiere PC races which can easily attain such beauty standards: Elves, Half Elves, Tiefling, Aasimar, Humans, and Yuan-Ti Pureblood.
PC Races which can attain such beauty standards though it is more difficult: Dwarves, Half-Orcs, Goblins, Gnomes, Halflings, etc.
PC Races which cannot attain such beauty standards: Maybe Tabaxi, if they have actual cat-heads instead of being cat girls but that mostly depends on your DM. Goliaths and Bugbears, too, since they tend to be a bit too muscley. Dragonborn? Again depends on the setting.

What makes masculine characters attractive? No one knows.

No. Really. I'm serious.

When it comes to marketing attractive females there's a fairly simple (and incredibly widespread) static beauty level that people aspire to. When it comes to marketing attractive men there is no such standard. Everyone thinks of Fabio but he looks nothing like Clooney and even less like Depp. And neither Depp nor Hiddleston look anything like Schwarzenegger who was presented as a sex symbol in a lot of places in the 80s. And none of them look like Denzel Washington or Morgan Freeman and either of them could probably climb into a third of the population's bed without a complaint.

It would probably be easier to list the things that make men unattractive on a cultural basis than to find masculine beauty standards. Though that list would certainly include things like Poor Symmetry, high body fat, and patchy or sparse hair (Facial or otherwise).

Does that mean those beauty standards are exclusive and no other character can be attractive? Not even in the slightest. But nearly every image of a woman posted in this thread conforms to them (arguably not the Drider due to a lack of humanoid lower body but look at the humanoid upper body and even that mostly conforms) including a Deep One fish person.

It might be a more fun question to ask: What is it about D&D races you find attractive that isn't part of the western definition of beauty?

Personally I really like half-orc tusks because I think it would be really interesting to kiss someone with them. The different textures of hard tooth and hopefully somewhat soft lips would be nice or at least -different- even in a chaste kiss. I also like the idea of different types and textures of hair as my fingers run through it. Whether coarse and curly Half-Orc or silken Elven hair. I love the idea of rubbing my face against that of a female dwarf and enjoying her light and softer than most men's stubble on my cheek, or a lovingly conditioned beard. Or the smoothness of an elf man's chest as I stroke my hands across his tender flesh... You know they've gotta have some of the smoothest and softest skin around.

I'm not really sure how I'd feel about a lover who has scales or fur, like a yuan-ti or a hobgoblin...

I also wonder what these different races smell like... Whether their natural scents would be strong or dainty, musky or more salty from sweat... Would elves actually smell like the forest? Deciduous or Evergeen? Floral? Fruit? Berries..?

I can tell you I'd never find Halflings or Gnomes attractive. They seem too much like human children, to me, and it'd dbe really creepy. Goblins, though...


I'm going to use this term because I have no other words for what your definition of the perfect girl the Barbie as some people would call it it's old school and outdated. That image of a perfect girl might have been the perfect image a couple of decades ago or maybe even just a decade ago but that standard is not relevant to this current day of age. And if you would just look throughout the history every time has its idea of the perfect woman. That's just like back in the olden days I mean old old days I can't tell you what exactly Century or what not but it was women that were big and heavy were the Pinnacle of beauty. They represent that they came from a family that was well off they had the strength to give birth to multiple children. And things like that what made them beautiful and more desirable. I am not a betting man but if you take a picture of somebody like I don't know Kim Kardashian Nicki Minaj or any female that is considered extremely attractive to by today's standards I put a picture right next to theirs I don't know any famous actresses during the twenties or the fifties and stuff like that and they would pick the more recent chick (sorry for lingo I mean nothing derogatory by it). I find that this thread is actually a good indicator to show that not all people see the blonde hair big boobs tiny tiny waist big hips is the ideal woman. Now I have noticed when I've had guy quote on quote talk with my older colleague for my father and his friends and whatnot that their idea of a perfect woman vastly different from mine. No I don't speak for all of man but my personal I prefer a woman with a little bit more meat on her bones whether that's fat or muscle. And I hate to see girls starve themselves to get those really really really thin bodies when that's not even the main part that guys look at. Me personally I tend to favor a little more to the slimtone side. But what trumps everything else for me is the face and the personality. If I find her face and her personality to be attractive I don't really care so much about her breast size or her belly size or her butt size to an extent.


Now I'll be the cannon fodder and say there are people out there that find halfling and gnomes attractive but are afrade to say so. For they don't want to be Label a pedophile. Some people find little people attractive other wise midgets ( I am not using that term in a derogatory way it's just I have another word to use I guess I could use a little people) wouldn't get any loven.



But hey this is just the rantings of some 26 year old.

[Kane0]

Nobody is going to call out Nymphs and the like (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3382)? Aren't they pretty much designed to be eye candy?

I'd be happy to give scales/fur a try though.

[Sigreid]

As to the "People will get offended by anything" meme: It's a load of crap. People aren't more offended or upset by the ugly things people have been saying for years. We're all just in a better position to confront the negativity that has been flying around without as much fear of imminent violence (Physical or Social) as retaliation. You're not seeing people who "Need to grow a pair". You're seeing people who finally have a backbone standing up to you and others rather than staying quiet. And as a person from inside the out-group you're creating, there, I think it's safe to say that my understanding of the group's motivation is a lot better than yours.


This is the last I'll say on it because I don't personally think this is the right place for an in depth discussion on social constructs but this is a fine example of taking things in the worst context. My point, and my only point, is that based on an individual's personal experiences and social interactions a given word or term may not have the same context in their mind as in yours. There's a big difference in "Hey, just so you know some groups see what you just said like this..." and "That's OFFENSIVE!"

[comk59]

Nobody is going to call out Nymphs and the like (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3382)? Aren't they pretty much designed to be eye candy?

I think that's part of the problem with them.

[CantigThimble]

And no, Regitnui, it wasn't you who commented on Teenyboppers. It was someone on page 2 or 3. Just figured I'd mention it because wow is it a toxic view. It degrades anything a teenage girl enjoys and is generally used as an insult in itself, because being a young woman is inherently bad and thus liking things that young women like is also bad... But there's nothing wrong with liking things teen boys like! (Queue onslaught of 80s kids and teen tv show movie reboots almost exclusively based on properties beloved by young boys)

To be fair, teenage boys are generally seen as the absolute stupidest and most immature type of people.

[Shining Wrath]

Riffing off Steampunkette's post, I'd like to ask people what "exotic" features of the non-human D&D races they find (un)attractive? Everyone's posting pictures of creatures in bikinis and with nicely coiffed hair - but those are things that are attractive on real-world women. For real-world men, tall is I believe rather popular, and having hair on the head.


I wouldn't care much for a Tiefling's horns or tail.
Elf-ears would be the right amount of exotic. I think I'd like those.
Genasi seem acceptably exotic as well.
I think scales are right out.
I would insist on fur being soft, like a cat's, not rough like some dogs. Same goes for dwarf beards.
A woman with muscles and / or size would be attractive so long as she still had curves. I'd be OK with half-orcs, goliaths, and the like.
I'm afraid I'd insist on kissable lips. Aarocka, dragonborn, and the like, sorry.
I think that halflings, gnomes, and the like would make me feel like I was having a relationship with a three year old. So, just no.
Minotaurs are too bestial for me.
Firbolgs it would come down to the fur.
Tabaxi presumably are soft so they might work if they are kissable.
Tritons, I guess I have to ask if they are warm blooded.

[Addaran]

Riffing off Steampunkette's post, I'd like to ask people what "exotic" features of the non-human D&D races they find (un)attractive?



What is it about D&D races you find attractive that isn't part of the western definition of beauty?



-Scales! It's nice to touch and would definitively be exotic.
-Non-humain eyes. Lizard/serpent ones, feline ones, etc. I'm guessing races with darkvision would have different eyes. Can be the color, shape of the iris, etc.
-Horns can give a very nice look to ladies.
-New color of skin, be it green, red, blue, yellow. Looking a skin's pigmentation up close is very nice.
-I have no problem with height, be it 3ft or 10ft.
-Always "out of shower" look from water genasi.
-Weird elemental/plant feature could be fun. Hairs that are just very warm, non-damaging flames. Skin that's like polished marble/stone. A dryad with soft grass instead of hair.

For "non-western" standard.
-Love muscle on a lady.
-On a slim lady, love small breasts and hips.
-I don't mind body hair, in some places it's even extremely sexy.
-With the right face/head, bald can be very sexy too.

[ApplePen]

Gott in himmel punkette, that's a lot of salt to be adding to a cheesecake (thread).

[Steampunkette]

I'm going to use this term because I have no other words for what your definition of the perfect girl the Barbie as some people would call it it's old school and outdated. That image of a perfect girl might have been the perfect image a couple of decades ago or maybe even just a decade ago but that standard is not relevant to this current day of age. And if you would just look throughout the history every time has its idea of the perfect woman. That's just like back in the olden days I mean old old days I can't tell you what exactly Century or what not but it was women that were big and heavy were the Pinnacle of beauty. They represent that they came from a family that was well off they had the strength to give birth to multiple children. And things like that what made them beautiful and more desirable. I am not a betting man but if you take a picture of somebody like I don't know Kim Kardashian Nicki Minaj or any female that is considered extremely attractive to by today's standards I put a picture right next to theirs I don't know any famous actresses during the twenties or the fifties and stuff like that and they would pick the more recent chick (sorry for lingo I mean nothing derogatory by it). I find that this thread is actually a good indicator to show that not all people see the blonde hair big boobs tiny tiny waist big hips is the ideal woman. Now I have noticed when I've had guy quote on quote talk with my older colleague for my father and his friends and whatnot that their idea of a perfect woman vastly different from mine. No I don't speak for all of man but my personal I prefer a woman with a little bit more meat on her bones whether that's fat or muscle. And I hate to see girls starve themselves to get those really really really thin bodies when that's not even the main part that guys look at. Me personally I tend to favor a little more to the slimtone side. But what trumps everything else for me is the face and the personality. If I find her face and her personality to be attractive I don't really care so much about her breast size or her belly size or her butt size to an extent.


Now I'll be the cannon fodder and say there are people out there that find halfling and gnomes attractive but are afrade to say so. For they don't want to be Label a pedophile. Some people find little people attractive other wise midgets ( I am not using that term in a derogatory way it's just I have another word to use I guess I could use a little people) wouldn't get any loven.



But hey this is just the rantings of some 26 year old.

20 years out of date means that people who are in their 30s and 40s (And everyole older than that) are still steeped in it since it's the fantasy they grew up with, Cryosin. 10 years out of date, 1 year out of date... Whatever you like to say about it being out of date: It's still going to be with us until those people die of old age. Those 40+ year olds are the casting directors, the producers, the advertising executives... The people in charge.

And as I look around me at movies, TV shows, comic books, and advertisements and see the same traits that you call the Barbie I find your statements ring hollow.

There's definitely a push to get away from it, particularly among feminists and their pushback against advertisers and producers. And maybe over the course of the next few decades we'll see some variety in what constitutes beauty, but it's still fairly narrow outside of some specific pressures (Like the various Big Body campaigns for Dove and the like).

When we get a size 14 sex symbol in the media I'll feel a bit more confident that the Barbie Standard is actually dead.

And I totally accept people who like halflings and gnomes. -I- would just feel uncomfortable, myself. I'm also 6'3" and would tower over such a lover and already feel uncomfortable about my height to the point I won't wear high heels around my 6'2" husband.

Applepen: The was no salt. Only truth. If you want salt, hit me up in PMs and I'll get you a shaker.

[ApplePen]

I do like halfling ladies when they are drawn like fully grown and curvy women, but smaller sized. I don't like when people make them look like children. That's creepy. Save the child/old person proportions for Gnomes.

The first bit of halfling art that made me appreciate them was a Dragon magazine cover, I think in 2001. It features a halfling rogue roping down into a house.
Finding halfling art like that can be difficult. It seems people make weird parallels between halflings and children that occasionally cross into art. An uncanny Valley exists between sexy halflings and childlike halflings where the artist made them try to be sexy WHILE being childlike and it screams pedo.

Actually there's a pretty good webcomic done by InCase called Alfie which makes for some sexy halflings. It's very much above this board's rating though, so not going to link.

Punkette, I'm already fat and unhealthy, I don't need more salt :)

[Addaran]

The first bit of halfling art that made me appreciate them was a Dragon magazine cover, I think in 2001. It features a halfling rogue roping down into a house.

http://images.comiccollectorlive.com/covers/aff/afff3c79-c842-4aa0-bd12-7fe113f53b70.jpg

So pretty. :smallredface:

[Sicarius Victis]

Woman has less to do with the binary social construct of sex than it has to do with gender, though. Social construct of expected performance and all that. An elf can be a woman just as easily as a man. That's a big part of why the use of "Female" to refer to women has become negative: it specifically refers to sex organs rather than a fuller view of womanhood in society, which in part excludes trans women from the "Female" experience.

Let's just retitle the thread "People", then.


As to the "People will get offended by anything" meme: It's a load of crap. People aren't more offended or upset by the ugly things people have been saying for years.

I won't argue with the later part of your argument, because I can't honestly disagree there. However, my experiences with people have proven a bit different than the first part of your argument. There are many people out there that are just looking for someone to say something, harmless or not, that they can claim to be offended by. I deal with people like that all the time, I do have an idea of what I'm talking about.


(Coincidentally, wouldn't growing a pair make someone weaker and more sensitive since it's a highly sensitive external organ that can't take a punch?)

Now, see, your problem here is that you're trying to make science and society align. Don't. Attempting it will only result in loss of braincells. And while I've no doubt you've plenty to spare, they aren't exactly expendable.


It might be a more fun question to ask: What is it about D&D races you find attractive that isn't part of the western definition of beauty?

Personally, I like the exotic-ness. I like them all, and specifically for the things that make them them. It's a rather liberating perspective, as it frees me from many or all possible restrictions.


I also wonder what these different races smell like... Whether their natural scents would be strong or dainty, musky or more salty from sweat... Would elves actually smell like the forest? Deciduous or Evergeen? Floral? Fruit? Berries..?

Me I'd imagine that they smell like evergreen forests, fresh after a light rain. But maybe that's just because that's one of the few things I actually do smell very often.

And I must object to ApplePen's statement; I quite love the taste of salt.

[ApplePen]

http://images.comiccollectorlive.com/covers/aff/afff3c79-c842-4aa0-bd12-7fe113f53b70.jpg

So pretty. :smallredface:

That's the one, yes. Thank you

[Asmotherion]

Female: Tiefling (Sexy Devil is a thing for a reason), Elf (Exotic beuty, model-like grace, mysterious looks... what's not to like really?), Half Elf (Same as Elf), Halfling (For guys that are into petite girls), Human (Cause sometimes you may dump the model for the girl next door).

Were you cross the line: Pixies, as sexy as they may be, will only survive an encounter with you if you are extreamly poor below the belt.

Were you cross the line 2: Succubi; I get it, they are super sexy, and you may think it's worth it... however, as our ancestors used to say, no woman is worth dying for, and even if there are some exceptions to the rule, it sure won't be an evil bitch that's only interested into stealing your eternal soul. I know your mom said to treasure a woman that's interested into your soul, but believe me, that's definitelly not what she ment.

Male: Tiefling (Because all girls like bad boys who may or may not be goodhearted in reality), Elf & Half Elf (Because Prety Boys is a thing), Goliath (Because tall guys always have the spotlight), Human (Cause sometimes women prefear a down to earth guy than a wild fetish fantasy). Dragon-related fellow such as half dragons or Dragon Bloodline sorcerers, or even shapeshifted-into-humanoid actual dragons (Nothing is more macho and bad-@ss than a dragon).

Were you cross the line: Orcs, as macho as they may seem, their stech will probably keep you from catching an STD from one, and if not, it's still not a very wise choice to go home with something that you're not sure if it views you as a bed-partner or it's next meal. However daddy issues can make this happen.

Were you cross the line 2: Non shape-shifted-into-humanoid Dragons. I get that a Dragon's... Dragon might be huge, but it's also goint to potentially be lethal to you, the same way a Humanoid would be to a pixie.

[Newtonsolo313]

Dragon-related fellow such as half dragons or Dragon Bloodline sorcerers, or even shapeshifted-into-humanoid actual dragons (Nothing is more macho and bad-@ss than a dragon).

Were you cross the line: Orcs, as macho as they may seem, their stech will probably keep you from catching an STD from one, and if not, it's still not a very wise choice to go home with something that you're not sure if it views you as a bed-partner or it's next meal. However daddy issues can make this happen.

Were you cross the line 2: Non shape-shifted-into-humanoid Dragons. I get that a Dragon's... Dragon might be huge, but it's also goint to potentially be lethal to you, the same way a Humanoid would be to a pixie not sure where you got the idea that dragon blood sorcerers are macho considering they are a charisma based class

[Kane0]

Probably the extra HP each level.

[Asmotherion]

not sure where you got the idea that dragon blood sorcerers are macho considering they are a charisma based class

They are dragon related, and have the Charisma to have a fully alpha male character. They can effectivelly intimidate almost anyone, including orcs, barbarians, even giants. Those reasons alone are enough to make someone macho U_U

I forgot to add Dragonborn to the lot too.

[Regitnui]

Woman has less to do with the binary social construct of sex than it has to do with gender, though. Social construct of expected performance and all that. An elf can be a woman just as easily as a man. That's a big part of why the use of "Female" to refer to women has become negative: it specifically refers to sex organs rather than a fuller view of womanhood in society, which in part excludes trans women from the "Female" experience.


I used fungi (Zuggtmoy) and thri-keen to illustrate the point here because their sex organs are quite literally the only difference they have. Organs is even a very generous description for the fungus. I'll agree that if the female of the species is sufficiently humanoid to adhere to human perceptions of gender, they can be referred to linguistically as a woman.


Nobody is going to call out Nymphs and the like (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3382)? Aren't they pretty much designed to be eye candy?

I'd be happy to give scales/fur a try though.

Well, they're specifically designed to be eye candy. How do we even know that a nymph/succubus (the two major beauty monsters) look the same to two different people?

One of my players is a Fey Pact Warlock and a lesbian, who specifically calls out being surrounded by the nymphs and succubi of her patron's court as to why she's a lesbian and why she is largely unnaffacted by human-level beauties. I showed her a picture of the party's patron and she said it was the bottom border of what her character likes.


http://images.comiccollectorlive.com/covers/aff/afff3c79-c842-4aa0-bd12-7fe113f53b70.jpg

So pretty. :smallredface:

But that's hardly even recognizable as a halfling. That's a pin-up model with big ears. Nothing gives you the idea she's smaller than human-sized, not proportions of her or the room around her. I can't call that a sexy halfling if you can't tell she's a halfling. Lidda from the 3.5 books probably struck the best balance, in my opinion.

[2D8HP]

arguably not the Drider due to a lack of humanoid lower body but look at the humanoid upper body and even that mostly conforms.....

The Sprow?

Humanoid lower bodies with giant spider upper bodies?

What an interesting suggestion!



http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ll0g7rFdyF1qjzxz6o1_500.png

(Coming to the Underdark soon!)

[Hawkstar]

... Did Steampunkette just say Muscular cat-faced Female Tabaxi are not attractive?

WRONG!

[Potato_Priest]

http://images.comiccollectorlive.com/covers/aff/afff3c79-c842-4aa0-bd12-7fe113f53b70.jpg

So pretty. :smallredface:

What I really want to know is how to fight pixies without getting pantsed.

[Newtonsolo313]

They are dragon related, and have the Charisma to have a fully alpha male character. They can effectivelly intimidate almost anyone, including orcs, barbarians, even giants. Those reasons alone are enough to make someone macho U_U

I forgot to add Dragonborn to the lot too.

Yeah but so can bards paladins and warlocks.

[Dr. Cliché]

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[Arial Black]

I had an idea for a halfling courtesan who, in the pursuit of her *ahem* 'profession', totally exploited the grey area between halfling adult and human child. It would seem to be a niche that she could profitably exploit.

Still, I've never realised this idea in play. Mainly because I haven't played a court intrigue-type campaign since I had the idea.

If she was my PC in a typical game, when the party turned up an said they have accepted a job to clear some skeletons out of the sewers, she'd say, "Great! See you when you get back! Don't forget to shower!"

[Dr. Cliché]

I'm surprised this image hasn't made it into the thread yet:

http://i.imgur.com/kybCF2F.jpg

Anyone else think she's . . . hot? :smallbiggrin:

[Officer Joy]

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Please let others define themselfs however they like. How could that possibly bother you?

[RumoCrytuf]

Nobody is going to call out Nymphs and the like (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3382)? Aren't they pretty much designed to be eye candy?


Last guy I knew who looked at a nymph went blind. He died a couple of days later... Poor Boris...

[Regitnui]

Last guy I knew who looked at a nymph went blind. He died a couple of days later... Poor Boris...

I plan to use Tome of Beasts' Abominable Beauty to represent nymphs in my game. CR14 naked faeries who are so hot they do fire damage with their touch.

[RumoCrytuf]

I plan to use Tome of Beasts' Abominable Beauty to represent nymphs in my game. CR14 naked faeries who are so hot they do fire damage with their touch.

I might have to include that in my next campaign XD

[Shining Wrath]

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[Belac93]

I always found changelings in their natural form quite attractive. Something about really dark or light skin is the kind of thing I like, and the pinky/blue-white hair is great.

And then, of course, they can look like whoever you want them to...

Also, what about a psion? They can read minds...

Please don't. This is a light-hearted discussion about attractive imaginary people, please don't bring real world acceptance issues into it, especially if you are going to be unaccepting.

There are plenty of trans men and women here and in the rest of the world that many of us know and love, and (although I cannot speak for other people here) many of them have not gone through any surgeries yet, either because of age or for lack of money. It really doesn't affect you, so please don't judge it.

Can we not continue this discussion? This really isn't the subforum -or even the forum- for it. You keep your opinion, but please don't voice that particular one in this kind of place. Thanks! :smalltongue:

[Dr. Cliché]

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[mgshamster]

OK folks, let's cut it with the real life talk. This is d&d and is all about fantasy.

If you keep talking real life stuff, this thread will get shut down, and then everyone will be sad no matter what their gender or orientation is.

[Hawkstar]

Y'know what this thread needs more of? Gnolls.
https://i.imgur.com/f4BZ8ju.jpg

[comk59]

Y'know what this thread needs more of? Gnolls.
https://i.warosu.org/data/tg/img/0334/95/1405719297115.jpg

You make a very excellent case.


And it'll go on needing more of them because that image isn't working. :smalltongue:

... :smallconfused: its working for me.

[Dr. Cliché]

Y'know what this thread needs more of? Gnolls.
https://i.warosu.org/data/tg/img/0334/95/1405719297115.jpg

And it'll go on needing more of them because that image isn't working. :smalltongue:

[Regitnui]

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Y'know what this thread needs more of? Gnolls.
https://i.warosu.org/data/tg/img/0334/95/1405719297115.jpg

You know, I might even agree if that picture was visible. Not even if I take the address.

[Hawkstar]

... Changed the image address. It should load now.

[Dr. Cliché]

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[YossarianLives]

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[Hawkstar]

... dammit. I'm out of good-looking Gnolls to post.

[Dr. Cliché]

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[Naanomi]

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[Shining Wrath]

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[Regitnui]

... Changed the image address. It should load now.

Pictured: a Z'nir Pact gnoll in a rare moment of relaxation.
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So let's get back to the proper subject of this thread;

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRlPXcMz0Ws6Fj09ZfplGBAOK97BbkEy 2kpXM7A_vRi72r3G_ThlkeCLj2Kcw

This is the sort I'd be happy to find were I transported to Eberron overnight.

[YossarianLives]

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[LibraryOgre]

The Mod Wonder: Closed for Review.



And the review is in. Some of the scrubbing is because of inappropriate behavior; some was due to quoting inappropriate behavior. If it was the first, you received your explanation. If there's no explanation, it was the second. Thread is reopened. Play nice. Read the rules.

[Newtonsolo313]

im going to have to disagree with asmotheriom on the topic of dragons because of the following reasons:
Don't have a human looking face nothing for smoochin
Scales are hard enough to make armor from
Claws
ability to immolate you at any time
50% chance to be evil
greedy as hell
entirely seperate anatomy
Really old
Reputation for going on murderous rampages
probably gonna get murdered by an adventuring party

So really i think a dragon doesn't really fit your idea of a macho badass or an alpha male(personally disagree with that idea) but more of some old rich and corrupt CEO whose main attractive quality is there money
sorry forgot to mention that any children born from such a union would half dragons which would be stressful for both the children and the family

[comk59]

im going to have to disagree with asmotheriom on the topic of dragons because of the following reasons:
Don't have a human looking face nothing for smoochin
Scales are hard enough to make armor from
Claws
ability to immolate you at any time
50% chance to be evil
greedy as hell
entirely seperate anatomy
Really old
Reputation for going on murderous rampages
probably gonna get murdered by an adventuring party

So really i think a dragon doesn't really fit your idea of a macho badass or an alpha male(personally disagree with that idea) but more of some old rich and corrupt CEO whose main attractive quality is there money

Well, full on Dragons (the good ones) can shapechange. And halfdragons and dragonborn are a lot more palatable. I personally wouldn't mind scales, as long as they weren't super cold. Just snuggling up in a warm scaley hug sounds pretty nice actually.

[Shining Wrath]

Alright, we're back in business! And the business is, discussing physical attractiveness of creatures that don't actually exist!

Such as my girlfriend until I was 17 or so - purely an imaginary creature. :smallbiggrin:

Anyway, of the not-playable races that don't fall into the classic "attractive female that will kill you" trope (glastigs, nymphs, many other fey), causing a female Deva to fall could be delightful.
I second the idea that a doppleganger, if it didn't want to kill you, could be a garden of variable delights.
And I suppose I should mention hobgoblins - orange skin is not a problem, but not really that different than humans otherwise.

[Dr. Cliché]

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[Regitnui]

I second the idea that a doppleganger, if it didn't want to kill you, could be a garden of variable delights.

Changelings are less likely to kill you and more human in thought. Also, remember full doppelgangers can hear thoughts. Who'd want to have your lover constantly hearing what you think?


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[Fishyninja]

The Sprow?
Humanoid lower bodies with giant spider upper bodies?
What an interesting suggestion!
(Coming to the Underdark soon!)

I believe you have confused the term interesting with Terrifying!



-New color of skin, be it green, red, blue, yellow. Looking a skin's pigmentation up close is very nice.
-I have no problem with height, be it 3ft or 10ft.
-Always "out of shower" look from water genasi.

For "non-western" standard.
-Love muscle on a lady.
-On a slim lady, love small breasts and hips.
-I don't mind body hair, in some places it's even extremely sexy.
-With the right face/head, bald can be very sexy too.

To continue on the non-western standards I agree with Addaran here, but also I think a larger lady should be included here as well.

Is it weird that I find certain accents extremely sexy......Southern States (like Georgia) and Welsh especially.

[Dr. Cliché]

Y'know what this thread needs more of? Gnolls.
https://i.imgur.com/f4BZ8ju.jpg

I rather like that picture.

[Newtonsolo313]

Well, full on Dragons (the good ones) can shapechange. And halfdragons and dragonborn are a lot more palatable. I personally wouldn't mind scales, as long as they weren't super cold. Just snuggling up in a warm scaley hug sounds pretty nice actually.

i can understand snake scales but dragon scales is a bit harder to grasp:smallconfused:. i mean i guess it depends on which setting you are using but often dragon scales are harder then steel(they likely are in D&D because otherwise they would probably be worse then normal scalemail) maybe dragons scales have a softer layer over there scales or something.

[Regitnui]

Is it weird that I find certain accents extremely sexy......Southern States (like Georgia) and Welsh especially.

Not if I find the idea of a high-class Brit accented Lady talking dirty quite interesting.

[Fishyninja]

i can understand snake scales but dragon scales is a bit harder to grasp:smallconfused:. i mean i guess it depends on which setting you are using but often dragon scales are harder then steel(they likely are in D&D because otherwise they would probably be worse then normal scalemail) maybe dragons scales have a softer layer over there scales or something.

Steel is hard but also smooth too! It's all relative, Spider (especially Dragline) silk has an incredible tensile strength but feels soft to the touch.

[comk59]

I believe you have confused the term interesting with Terrifying!



To continue on the non-western standards I agree with Addaran here, but also I think a larger lady should be included here as well.

Is it weird that I find certain accents extremely sexy......Southern States (like Georgia) and Welsh especially.

Nah, southern state accents are generally considered to be pretty sexy across the pond. Meanwhile, I'm stuck here with my Northern Midwestern drone.

Put me on the larger lady list too. And smaller. Just size differences in general I find adorable, in either direction.

[Shining Wrath]

I believe you have confused the term interesting with Terrifying!



To continue on the non-western standards I agree with Addaran here, but also I think a larger lady should be included here as well.

Is it weird that I find certain accents extremely sexy......Southern States (like Georgia) and Welsh especially.

Oh, accents. Of course, I don't know what elves sound like, or dwarves, or what have you. But still, yes, some accents are just killers. Some voices, too.

As a native American English speaker, I like Scottish & French. Indian (subcontinent) and Thai.

[Fishyninja]

Not if I find the idea of a high-class Brit accented Lady talking dirty quite interesting.

You would be quite right sir:

Source: Ex-Girlfriend

[Newtonsolo313]

Oh, accents. Of course, I don't know what elves sound like, or dwarves, or what have you. But still, yes, some accents are just killers. Some voices, too.

As a native American English speaker, I like Scottish & French. Indian (subcontinent) and Thai.
Thats easy Dwarves have accents from places in the northern part of europe like ireland while elves have an accent of "Speaking in such a way to seem intellectually superior to you":smalltongue:

[comk59]

Thats easy Dwarves have accents from places in the northern part of europe like ireland while elves have an accent of "Speaking in such a way to seem intellectually superior to you":smalltongue:

What was Tolkien's elvish based on? I'd say just that accent, for simplicity sake. And I always thought if Dwarves as more Scottish than Irish.

[Newtonsolo313]

What was Tolkien's elvish based on? I'd say just that accent, for simplicity sake. And I always thought if Dwarves as more Scottish than Irish.
So elvish language is based of latin which i guess makes sense i imagine that the way elves speak involves cutting down on hard consonants in words
Dwarves depends on the author but the accent is usually from up in northern europe

[Shining Wrath]

While discussing accents and voices, and Western Stereotypes, I believe deep voices in men are pretty popular. Women there's more variation - some guys like higher pitches, others husky.

Oddly, opera romantic leads are usually tenors.

[Arial Black]

In my world I modeled Elvish on French and Dwarvish on German.

[Newtonsolo313]

Speaking of steel beings smooth and hard what is everyone's opinion on warforged, like em, don't like em, kind of dubious of the concept because of the fact that warforged are robots, of the opinion that they are a relic of an old war that must be destroyed.

[Fishyninja]

Speaking of steel beings smooth and hard what is everyone's opinion on warforged, like em, don't like em, kind of dubious of the concept because of the fact that warforged are robots, of the opinion that they are a relic of an old war that must be destroyed.

Smooth and Hard....Meow Tiger!

Kidding aside, they have (and I use the term realistic) sex dolls, there will probabaly be love robots in the future. I also mentioned a fetish about being attracted to stautes, whats better than a statue, a moving, thinking statue

[Newtonsolo313]

Kidding aside, they have (and I use the term realistic) sex dolls, there will probabaly be love robots in the future. I also mentioned a fetish about being attracted to stautes, whats better than a statue, a moving, thinking statue if i remember correctly in eberron an artificer could modify a warforged so i wonder whether the evey modify them to have attributes:smallamused:
EDIT:
on a completely serious note they don't carry the risk of pregnancy or std exposures and can have Pseudo Sex organs of whatever size is desired and is ownly limited to whatever materials are available(and i guess the skill of the artificer)

[Fishyninja]

if i remember correctly in eberron an artificer could modify a warforged so i wonder whether the evey modify them to have attributes:smallamused:
EDIT:
on a completely serious note they don't carry the risk of pregnancy or std exposures and can have Pseudo Sex organs of whatever size is desired and is ownly limited to whatever materials are available(and i guess the skill of the artificer)

Artificer: "Wait you want me to make what?!"
Warforged: *Nods*
Artificer: "Huh...it adds to the portfolio"

[Newtonsolo313]

Artificer: "Wait you want me to make what?!"
Warforged: *Nods*
Artificer: "Huh...it adds to the portfolio"
Of course by the time the artificer is done with it it can cast Cat's grace, enlarge 3/day as a bonus action:smallbiggrin:

[Naanomi]

Artificer: "Wait you want me to make what?!"
Warforged: *Nods*
Artificer: "Huh...it adds to the portfolio"
Probably a more sophisticated engineering task for the female warforge kit than the male...

[Sir cryosin]

I find female rock singers like Hayley from healstorm, Joan Jett, or older lady's types in anime. Voices very alluring they have a deep sexual sound.

[Shining Wrath]

I can just imagine a D&D bordello.

Changelings and dopplegangers, natch.
As mentioned, small folk dressed as children would draw some customers.
You just *know* there'd be a demand for sex with vampires - but oh, the precautions you would need to take. Multiple windows with heavy curtains and shutters, with people standing by to let in the sunlight if the vampire gets out of control.
Shifters would definitely be in demand.
Centaurs? Catherine the Great, that door over there.
People who are into B&D stuff might like a demon partner - again, heavy precautions required.

You can just imagine elves wanting to boink drow. The whole bad boy / bad girl thing.

Nastier places might let you abuse and even kill the staff - for a price. If you're in a LE city there's rules about that sort of thing - not illegal, but restrictions.

[Steampunkette]

Wow... that just got really dark and overstepped a few more bounds of good taste!

[comk59]

Wow... that just got really dark and overstepped a few more bounds of good taste!

When you talk about Demon Bordellos, that tends to happen. They aren't really thought of as nice people.

Bordellos in general, actually. Not the most healthy environment.

[Newtonsolo313]

When you talk about Demon Bordellos, that tends to happen. They aren't really thought of as nice people.

Bordellos in general, actually. Not the most healthy environment.

Let us drop this topic and go back to running two simultaneous conversations about voices and warforged getting sex organs crafted by artificer

Edit:
on that topic does anyone use warforged outside of eberron, i mean you can't get warforged to really be like they are in there without a proper artificer class(and that UA one is really really bad)

[GlenSmash!]

What was Tolkien's elvish based on? I'd say just that accent, for simplicity sake. And I always thought if Dwarves as more Scottish than Irish.

Sindarin was based on Gaelic, while Quenya was based on Finnish, but these were more how the language was structured, not pronunciation. While the dwarves got their names from the Norse Sagas, their language was I believe based on Hebrew.

[Shining Wrath]

To defend myself, someone else suggest a halfling courtesan - and if there's courtesans, there's bordellos.

If there's Warforged, and Artificers, you can have your "partner" built to spec. "I want elf ears - tiefling tail - built like a goliath woman - sounds like a pixie".

"Which sex"?

"Interchangeable parts".

[Newtonsolo313]

To defend myself, someone else suggest a halfling courtesan - and if there's courtesans, there's bordellos.

If there's Warforged, and Artificers, you can have your "partner" built to spec. "I want elf ears - tiefling tail - built like a goliath woman - sounds like a pixie".

"Which sex"?

"Interchangeable parts".
Sorry i ninja'd you
Except I'm fairly sure that in eberron you get your "partner" modified because they are sentient being and well building them means your there...
...mother?
Edit
anyway with a setting like eberron they have magic mimicking technology so i imagine the have sex toys and stuff which. i guess any setting with warforged in them pretty much have to be either magitech or something punk and having warforged without an artificer would probably be a nightmare for them because the couldn't be healed or get laser guns strapped to their arms
DISCLAIMER: i have little knowledge of how eberron, warforged, or artificers work and i may be BSing everyone
also heres an idea of what that would look like
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[JellyPooga]

http://images.comiccollectorlive.com/covers/aff/afff3c79-c842-4aa0-bd12-7fe113f53b70.jpg

So pretty. :smallredface:

It wasn't Lidda that did it for me (not that the Dragon mag pic is Lidda); it was the unnamed Halfling lady in this pic (https://mygirlfriendisadm.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/10-races.jpg) from the 3.5 PHB that caught my eye...I think it's the hair...:smallredface:

[Newtonsolo313]

It wasn't Lidda that did it for me (not that the Dragon mag pic is Lidda); it was the unnamed Halfling lady in this pic (https://mygirlfriendisadm.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/10-races.jpg) from the 3.5 PHB that caught my eye...I think it's the hair...:smallredface:

Huh i always imagined gnomes being shorter then halflings and just looking taller due to their propensity for hats

[ApplePen]

I just got back to the thread and seemed to have missed an entire page of scrubbing.

Please tell me it was just really racy pictures and not some terrible argument

[comk59]

I just got back to the thread and seemed to have missed an entire page of scrubbing.

Please tell me it was just really racy pictures and not some terrible argument

Considering the comments about thoughtcrime, what do you think?

[Newtonsolo313]

I just got back to the thread and seemed to have missed an entire page of scrubbing.

Please tell me it was just really racy pictures and not some terrible argument

It was most definitely people posting embarissing kobold fetish materials and not an argument about a controversial topic:smallwink:

[Kane0]

That's not to say that an interest in Kobolds is wrong... I mean, just look at them! It's impossible not to be attracted to... that.

[comk59]

That's not to say that an interest in Kobolds is wrong... I mean, just look at them! It's impossible not to be attracted to... that.

http://t03.deviantart.net/BFtbS3U-chkZxNW7dLg8ivFEWQg=/fit-in/700x350/filters:fixed_height(100,100):origin()/pre13/bbc8/th/pre/f/2016/080/5/b/kobold_chieftain_2sm_by_bryansyme-d9vwnyz.jpg

Irresistable!

Kobolds ARE super cute though.

[Newtonsolo313]

http://t03.deviantart.net/BFtbS3U-chkZxNW7dLg8ivFEWQg=/fit-in/700x350/filters:fixed_height(100,100):origin()/pre13/bbc8/th/pre/f/2016/080/5/b/kobold_chieftain_2sm_by_bryansyme-d9vwnyz.jpg

Irresistable!

Kobolds ARE super cute though.

Thats why DF players call them cutebolds

[comk59]

Thats why DF players call them cutebolds

Really? I call them free copper daggers/marksdwarf training equipment.

Mass cage traps FTW!

[Newtonsolo313]

Really? I call them free copper daggers/marksdwarf training equipment.

Mass cage traps FTW!

Well i guess dwarf fortress brings out the worse in all of us

[2D8HP]

I just got back to the thread and seemed to have missed an entire page of scrubbing.

Please tell me it was just really racy pictures and not some terrible argument


It was most definitely people posting embarissing kobold fetish materials and not an argument about a controversial topic:smallwink:


That's not to say that an interest in Kobolds is wrong... I mean, just look at them! It's impossible not to be attracted to... that.

So sad all that Koboldeliciousness lost

:sigh:

Perhaps it's for the best, some of it was highly NSFW!

How can they be called cold blooded yet be so hot?

If Kobold lovin' is wrong I don't want to be right!

[comk59]

Ah, what might've been...
http://i.imgur.com/P8tuyM2.png

[Shining Wrath]

You know how kobolds are the masters of traps? You should see how that translates into amorous activities.

[Sicarius Victis]

It was most definitely people posting embarissing kobold fetish materials and not an argument about a controversial topic:smallwink:

Of course it wasn't an argument about a controversial topic. It was several arguments about several controversial topics.

Big difference.


You know how kobolds are the masters of traps? You should see how that translates into amorous activities.

I am too amused by that implications I don't even know what to say.

[Newtonsolo313]

So sad all that Koboldeliciousness lost

:sigh:

Perhaps it's for the best, some of it was highly NSFW!

How can they be called cold blooded yet be so hot?

If Kobold lovin' is wrong I don't want to be right!
Yeah that one with the ten foot pole was definitely nsfw

[comk59]

You know how kobolds are the masters of traps? You should see how that translates into amorous activities.

So Kobolds are traps. I can dig it.

[Naanomi]

Kobolds... once you go cloaca you never go back-a?

[JellyPooga]

Ah, what might've been...
http://i.imgur.com/P8tuyM2.png

This has got me in bits! :smallbiggrin:

[Regitnui]

if i remember correctly in eberron an artificer could modify a warforged so i wonder whether the evey modify them to have attributes:smallamused:
EDIT:
on a completely serious note they don't carry the risk of pregnancy or std exposures and can have Pseudo Sex organs of whatever size is desired and is ownly limited to whatever materials are available(and i guess the skill of the artificer)

Well, they'd be little more than sexbots. Though they can be altered to fit their mental or chosen gender quite effectively, they don't have any urge to reproduce on an individual scale, and even the Lord of Blades trying to fix a creation forge is portrayed more as trying to make soldiers than trying to make children.


Artificer: "Wait you want me to make what?!"
Warforged: *Nods*
Artificer: "Huh...it adds to the portfolio"

I had a warforged NPC making "body mods", and being rather famous amongst free warforged for it. I'd planned to have the players encounter a warforged coming for rebuilding, but they're out of town.


Yeah that one with the ten foot pole was definitely nsfw

Don't remind me. I never knew you could fit that many kobolds on one pole. And that bottle of... What was it? The opposite to sovereign glue? It's interesting how many people used that in their artwork.

[Kane0]

Well Kobolds are recorded to be completely comfortable with sharing tight spaces.

Props to Volo though, now we know how he learned as much as he has and lived to tell about it.

[Hawkstar]

On one hand, I'm kinda wary about the topic veering toward kobold intimacy. On the other, I'm highly intrigued.

[ApplePen]

Don't remind me. I never knew you could fit that many kobolds on one pole. And that bottle of... What was it? The opposite to sovereign glue? It's interesting how many people used that in their artwork.
This has taken a lethal turn if people are using universal solvent as lubricating fluid

[Regitnui]

This has taken a lethal turn if people are using universal solvent as lubricating fluid

It wasn't that. They must've made it up then...

[Newtonsolo313]

It wasn't that. They must've made it up then...

I definitely was not *shifts eyes back and forth*

[Regitnui]

I definitely was not *shifts eyes back and forth*

We all saw the picture. It was that bottle that I was trying to remember.

[Newtonsolo313]

We all saw the picture. It was that bottle that I was trying to remember. unfortunately the label was written in kobold so we couldn't read it

[JellyPooga]

unfortunately the label was written in kobold so we couldn't read it

Interesting that it wasn't written in Draconic. Are Kobolds keeping their deviant pleasures secret from their dragon masters now? It's the beginning of the revolution and it's starting in the bedroom nest!

[ApplePen]

So long as they keep it in the nest and out of the public eye, I have no qualms.
I wonder why the Mul extinction took place, when half-drow are now a thing

[2D8HP]

Interesting that it wasn't written in Draconic. Are Kobolds keeping their deviant pleasures secret from their dragon masters now? It's the beginning of the revolution and it's starting in the bedroom nest!

I for one welcome our new reptilian overlords.

[Newtonsolo313]

Interesting that it wasn't written in Draconic. Are Kobolds keeping their deviant pleasures secret from their dragon masters now? It's the beginning of the revolution and it's starting in the bedroom nest!

well nobody is going to notice if some of the lantern oil goes missing:smallwink:

[Regitnui]

So long as they keep it in the nest and out of the public eye, I have no qualms.
I wonder why the Mul extinction took place, when half-drow are now a thing

It may be more accurate if half-drow were fully elf, instead of half-human.

[Newtonsolo313]

Interesting that it wasn't written in Draconic. Are Kobolds keeping their deviant pleasures secret from their dragon masters now? It's the beginning of the revolution and it's starting in the bedroom nest!

Also can i add this to my signature

[JellyPooga]

Also can i add this to my signature

If you wish.

[Newtonsolo313]

Interesting that it wasn't written in Draconic. Are Kobolds keeping their deviant pleasures secret from their dragon masters now? It's the beginning of the revolution and it's starting in the bedroom nest!


It may be more accurate if half-drow were fully elf, instead of half-human.

Depends on the setting often drow are a subrace of elves

[Regitnui]

Depends on the setting often drow are a subrace of elves

They are explicitly a subrace of elves. A drow having kids with a human would result in a half-elf. It's only worth distinguishing the drow half if the other half is an elf. It's not worth distinguishing between dark-skinned and light-skinned humans when it comes to phylogeny. You don't get half-Americans.

[Newtonsolo313]

They are explicitly a subrace of elves. A drow having kids with a human would result in a half-elf. It's only worth distinguishing the drow half if the other half is an elf. It's not worth distinguishing between dark-skinned and light-skinned humans when it comes to phylogeny. You don't get half-Americans.... didn't you just say that a half drow would be a fully fledged elf:smallconfused: you didn't specify them being half normal elf

[Shining Wrath]

Setting aside differences in size (e.g., goliath - gnome), which half-breeds seem most improbable?

Orc-elf?
Kobold-gnome?
Firbolg - hobgoblin?

Inquiring minds want to know!

[Newtonsolo313]

Setting aside differences in size (e.g., goliath - gnome), which half-breeds seem most improbable?

Orc-elf?
Kobold-gnome?
Firbolg - hobgoblin?

Inquiring minds want to know!
dwarf-elf
Racial hatred, neither of them are the sort to take advantage of other during wartime and rarely found in the same enviroment
outside of the core races, i would have to go with illthid-dragonborn due to almost never encountering one another
EDIT: actually i may have to put some more thought into this

[Naanomi]

In many settings, orc/elf is impossible because their respective Gods actually prevent it

[Millstone85]

dwarf-elfAlso known as a halfling.
I know there is no lore to support this but come on! Halflings are short and pointy-eared. Halflings live underground and close to nature. Halflings drink gallons of ale at the sound of cheerful music.

And after kobolds, do you know what else we should be drooling over?http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/dnd4/images/e/ed/Shardmind.pnghttp://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/codex-of-monsters/images/3/3d/Shardmind01.jpghttp://t10.deviantart.net/m3W8Yr624s_8qkNBUoOYr5ftv44=/fit-in/700x350/filters:fixed_height(100,100):origin()/pre00/2ab7/th/pre/f/2010/271/4/9/phrenic_invader_by_mikeschley-d2zowuy.jpg
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[2D8HP]

In many settings, orc/elf is impossible because their respective Gods actually prevent it
Perhaps because it would reveal the origins of humanity:

I just had a random thought: what if the "human" race is the mutt race? It would explain why humans can breed most easily with everything, and it would explain why in many games humans have multiple different cultures (while other races generally have only one or two).


It long ago occurred to me that since they are Elf/Human and Human/Orc "mutts", why not Elf/Orc? Then I had the thought, "of course humans are Elf/Orcs" (half-elf+half-orc etc.).
What killed the idea was that unlike both Elves and Orcs, Humans don't have any low light vision. I'd love to learn how to make this work.


I would say they work on different mechanisms that are recessive traits.

Perhaps one has lowlight vision due to a high concentration of rod cells in their eyes and the other has it due to having a reflective layer behind the retina that gives their rods a second go at the light. This could mean that orcs eyes shine in the dark like a cats, it would also make their vision a bit more blurred. Elves don't have the reflective layer so the image quality of elven vision is superior to orcish vision.

Of course in previous editions one has darkvision the other has lowlight. Which probably work on different mechanisms than eachother.

Of course the question becomes ''why doesn't lowlight or darkvision show up in humans often?''

If humans originated as a hybrid, first generation hybrids didn't have the lowlight/darkvision, they couldn't compete with elves or orcs in the dark so they had to be most active out in the sun. Individuals from later generations that had lowlight or darkvision joined elven or orcish culture. After a few generations the genes for lowlight and darkvision become so rare in the day living hybrid decendants as to be non-existant.

Problem with this is half elves and half orcs have those vision traits.

Well if its a polygenetic trait with one partner being dominate and the other recessive then this can still work.

AA/BB or Aa/BB required for lowlight vision
CC/DD or Cc/DD required for darkvision

BB and DD have additional advantages unrelated to lowlight and darkvision and so are selected for.

Elf AA/BB/cc/dd
Orc aa/bb/CC/DD

Hybrid Aa/Bb/Cc/Dd - this hybrid is a carrier for both but lacks either vision trait

The decendants of Hybrids with any of these genotypes join their crepuscular/nocturnal relatives
AA/BB/CC/DD - Aa/BB/CC/DD - AA/BB/CC/Dd - AA/BB/Cc/DD - AA/BB/CC/dd - AA/BB/Cc/Dd - AA/BB/cc/DD - AA/BB/Cc/dd - AA/BB/cc/Dd - AA/BB/cc/dd - Aa/BB/CC/DD - Aa/BB/CC/Dd - Aa/BB/Cc/DD - Aa/BB/CC/dd - Aa/BB/Cc/Dd - Aa/BB/cc/DD - Aa/BB/Cc/dd - Aa/BB/cc/Dd - Aa/BB/cc/dd - AA/Bb/CC/DD - Aa/BB/CC/DD - AA/bb/CC/DD - Aa/Bb/CC/DD - aa/BB/CC/DD - Aa/bb/CC/DD - aa/Bb/CC/DD - aa/bb/CC/DD - AA/BB/Cc/DD - AA/Bb/Cc/DD - Aa/BB/Cc/DD - AA/bb/Cc/DD - Aa/Bb/Cc/DD - aa/BB/Cc/DD - Aa/bb/Cc/DD - aa/Bb/Cc/DD - aa/bb/Cc/DD

any other genotypes remain daydwellers

but ones that are BB and DD have advantages over the others, no sure what those adaptation are, but they cause them to be selected for, after a few generations they are fixed in the population.

Perhaps bb is associated with sunlight sensitivity, a horrible trait for a diurnal creature.
And DD is associated with short lifespan - so those hybrids mature faster and out breed their longer lived relatives.

Humans end up with this genotype
aa/BB/cc/DD

Half elves have
Aa/BB/cc/Dd - lowlight vision

and half orcs have
aa/Bb/Cc/DD - darkvision
An alternative idea from:

http://worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/10102/how-would-multi-race-humanoid-evolution-happen

https://i.stack.imgur.com/frIK6.jpg
After some in-depth research into the development of various humanoid races, I've developed a corpus of theory as to their development. Upon my return from their habitat, I plan to publish the following in some sort of respectable journal, perhaps the*Journal of Edible Races. While snoozing off their weekly dinner of ponies, I'm sure the other dragons will enjoy reading it over:

Naturally, all the humanoid races descended from some common bipedal primate. Since then, however, they have evolved into two species, with a total of five subspecies (plus three common hybrids. Broadly, these can be divided into the larger-statured humanoids: the humans, orcs, and elves, and the smaller statured humanoids: the dwarves and halflings. These two populations are not known to interbreed and produce offspring, so they should be considered separate species, but the subspecies interbreed regularly, producing some interesting hybrids.

Homo Sapiens

Humans (Homo Sapiens Sapiens

Humans are predominantly farmers in fertile regions. They are believed to be the least differentiated stock of the*homo sapiens*branch of humanoids, being smaller than the hill-dwelling orcs and larger than the forest-dwelling elves. Over the past few million years, they've been engaging in low-level farming from small villages, trading regularly with both orcs and elves for resources. Recently, they've begun to domesticate some wild horses, which are driving both the development of larger societies and rapid technological improvement.

Orcs (Homo Sapiens Moria

The orcs, unlike humans, do not rely on farming. They form hunter gatherer clans in upland regions inhabited by large animals such as oiliphants and griffins. It's believed that their hunting of these creatures has led to their evolving much stockier frames than their lowland counterparts. The breed freely with humans, producing half orcs.

It's not known if orcs and elves would be capable of producing offspring, as they do not regularly come into contact with one another. If not, then*homo sapiens*is a fascinating example of a ring species.

Elves (Homo Sapiens Lorien

Elves have adapted to forest life, with small, slight bodies but surprisingly powerful arms. They live largely in homes built in the branches of large trees and coming down to the ground to hunt for game and to collect fruit.

In general, elves undertake these activities at night, possibly due to the presence of bands of forest-dwelling humans during the day. This nocturnal/diurnal duality allows elves and humans to coexist peacefully, and has also driven the elves to develop larger ears and pronounced eyes to better sense in the dark. They interbreed with humans where their ranges overlap, but this is looked down on by both humans and elves, probably due to the facts that elven frames are poorly suited to farm labor and that humans don't operate well during twilight hours.

Homo Dwarfus

Homo dwarfus has two subspecies: the dwarves and the halflings. These two races can interbreed, with the cross generally being referred to as the gnomes.

Interestingly, unlike half-orcs and half-elves, the gnomes have formed their own societies of multi-generational gnome families. It's viewed as likely, based on this, that they may develop into what could be considered a subspecies of*homo dwarfus*in their own right.

Dwarves (Homo Dwarfus Dwarfus

Short and stocky, the dwarves have evolved for life underground. Like orcs, they are commonly found in hills and mountains, but have opted for a different evolutionary path.

Dwarves build elaborate warrens beneath the Earth, bringing many families together for mutual defense and child rearing. Moving through both natural and artificial tunnels has selected for short, powerful frames with large noses for drawing in more of what is often poor quality air. Dwarves have evolved a farming culture similar to humans, but in absence of good food crops growing on the surface, the dwarves have taken to gathering nutrient poor plant materials, such as grasses, in large store rooms underground. These materials are then used to grow nutritious mushrooms, as well as to brew alcohol in great quantities.

Unfortunately, the same behavior that has brought about these fascinating behavioral changes has also given dwarves a keen interest in mineral treasures, as is known by dragons across the land who have had to deal with dwarf infestations in their treasure chambers.

Halflings (Homo Sapiens Hobbitus

Some dwarves, however, have moved back to the surface, and evolved into a small race known as the halflings. While retaining the burrow-building behaviors of their ancestors, halflings have moved to lowland areas where they have learned to farm from nearby humans. While incapable of interbreeding due to having fully speciated, humans and halflings form intermingled societies in some areas, with halflings appreciating the protection their larger neighbors provide and humans enjoying the fact that generations of life underground have left the halflings as experts at digging and brewing a large variety of fermented drinks.

Halflings, without the pressures of a harsh life in the mountains, are generally slighter of build than dwarves, and have lost the exceptional senses that dwarves have developed for a life underground.

Unfortunately, some halflings seem to have retained the dwarven penchant for treasure. Care should be taken to make sure that any halfling populations living in the vicinity of dragons do not become a nuisance.

Gnomes

In areas where halflings and dwarves live somewhat close together, they occasionally crossbreed, giving birth to hybrids known as gnomes. Gnomes retain dwarven senses, but with the slighter builds of halflings. In many areas, they've taken up roles as go-betweens for these two groups, as well as trading with any humans, orcs, and elves in the area.

In their wide exposure to many cultures during their lives as nomadic, traveling merchants, the gnomes have also picked up a penchant for combining and improving upon inventions created by the other humanoid races. They've also gained some sense in their travels, rarely pilfering from the homes of dragons, though this fact should be well known to anyone in posession of one of their excellent anti-dwarf horde security systems

[Naanomi]

Spelljammer ancient history does spell out there was an 'original' humanoid race (I forget the name) that all others are descended (from mutation, intentional magic manipulation, but mostly Divine modification)

[Shining Wrath]

In my world, the gods made each race per lore, but being not omniscient nor omnipotent, didn't achieve the desired results. This is why not all orcs are CE, not all dwarves LG, et cetera. "The world, the flesh, and the fiends (and angels)" tempt each race away from their creator's plan.

Humans were designed by committee. No member of the human pantheon had anywhere near the power of a Gruumsh or Moradin, so it took dozens of gods with different alignments, goals, and objectives to make humanity. They did have one objective in common, though; to wipe those patronizing smirks off the faces of the Elder Gods, to prove that they could make a successful race. That's why humans are so driven to achieve. Whichever petty mini-god had a greater influence on the nature of a particular human may have been good or evil, lawful or chaotic, artistic or greedy or martial or family focused, but they wanted to prove themselves.

Then gods took existing stock and modified it to suit their purposes. Asmodeus created Tieflings; Bahamut and Tiamat, dragonborn. And so on.

In time order,then:
Orcs, Elves, Dwarves, goblinoids, and most other humanoids. These are the Old Races.
Humans, the Young Race.
Tieflings, Dragonborn, Drow, and the other races created by modifying something that already existed: the New Races.

Humans being more malleable and flexible, it is easier to make a New Race from human stock. However, there are elf and dwarf and orc based Tieflings and Dragonborn and so on.

[Sir cryosin]

I had a player wanting to play a dwarorc. Half dwarf ,half orc.