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The Giant
2006-08-03, 08:57 AM
New comic is up.

Antina
2006-08-03, 08:58 AM
coool ;D

Those wacky animals..." just ROFL!!!

And "Mr. Evil Twin Brother" is BACK!!!
Didnīt know Elan and Nale would talk so much alike!

A "subterranean" monster under the bed! ;D

All of Elans requests - just the best for every mother or father!

GREAT JOB, MR. GIANT!!!

NullAshton
2006-08-03, 08:59 AM
YAY! First page!

Nale is floating in the last panel. :o

KayJay
2006-08-03, 09:00 AM
New comic! hmm, aren't muskrats vermin, not hornets? Or is this a joke i'm not getting?

jhawkjjm
2006-08-03, 09:00 AM
Oooh.. nice cliffhanger. Can't wait to see the new LG members.

ScreamerSimon
2006-08-03, 09:02 AM
The return of Banjo and the Linear Guild in one strip!
Today must be my lucky day!

As always, thanks for the comic.

EDIT: And the archive was updated too. Yay!!!

Krytha
2006-08-03, 09:04 AM
YES! Tenuous grip on reality! DOooo it Roy. Doooo iiiittttt...

mcravinhos
2006-08-03, 09:04 AM
yay! First page!!!!

N00b detected! :P

Varian7
2006-08-03, 09:04 AM
The return of Nale! *Dun Dun Dunnn!

Obligatory first page woot!

sun_tzu
2006-08-03, 09:04 AM
Thus progresseth the plot. And many rejoiced. ;D
...
First page? First time.

wombat31
2006-08-03, 09:04 AM
Thereee back
oh and first post first page woot

Swashbuckler
2006-08-03, 09:07 AM
duh-duh-DUUUUUUUUUUUUUN!!!


The Return of NALE!! Woohooo! ;D ;D


(and the obligatory first page WOOT!)

Aurorax
2006-08-03, 09:07 AM
Hurray! Return of the evil twins!

Elcaz
2006-08-03, 09:07 AM
There's a monster under my bed was the one that really cracked me up. You're a genius Giant.

Brett Wong
2006-08-03, 09:08 AM
Awosome comic as always giant, WOOO 1st page.

Erimore
2006-08-03, 09:08 AM
Damn! That was funny!

"Fluff my pillow"

And a floating Nale.....nice....

Now I'm waiting impatiently for the next one.....*sigh*

M._A._Foxfire
2006-08-03, 09:08 AM
I'm not sure who had the best expression - Durkon trying to be secretive or Roy on the verge of snapping.

Aerysil1
2006-08-03, 09:09 AM
dun dun DUN!

page 2 already? *Cripes, I just refreshed looking for a new comic a few minutes ago.

(how many more dun dun DUN's will there be :) )

Antina
2006-08-03, 09:10 AM
YAY! First page!

Nale is floating in the last panel. :o


Well - he IS WELL PREPARED...

Oh - Iīm SO curious!!! Cannot wait - must wait - cannot wait - must wait... *sigh*

Jonathan327
2006-08-03, 09:11 AM
Yes! Now that the LG's sending out the call, we shall have a return of Thog.

Huzzah.

rcuhljr
2006-08-03, 09:15 AM
I want roy to sing me a lullaby

Doug_Lampert
2006-08-03, 09:16 AM
dun dun DUN!
...
(how many more dun dun DUN's will there be :) )
dun dun DUN!

Many.


New comic! hmm, aren't muskrats vermin, not hornets? Or is this a joke i'm not getting? All creatures in D&D3.x land have a type. Insects are Vermin, natural mammals other than humans are Animals.

The joke is about game terminology, specifically about Roy using game terminology.

Leatherman
2006-08-03, 09:17 AM
LOLLOLOLOLOLOL!!

This comic reminds me of the nightly routine my 4 year old son goes through. Great job Giant.

The LG is back.


Dun Dun Dunnnnnn!!!!!!!!!!

Paul_Blue
2006-08-03, 09:20 AM
Wunderbar!
And, second page, first post!

I can't understand why Roy is letting this parent-child relationship with Elan continue.

NullAshton
2006-08-03, 09:20 AM
I wonder why there wasn't a rules joke about the confusion spell somewhere, when Elan was driving Roy crazy.

faeline
2006-08-03, 09:23 AM
Finally! Roll your initiative and let's go!

Pvednes
2006-08-03, 09:26 AM
That looks like an image of Nale, rather than Nale himself.

KayJay
2006-08-03, 09:27 AM
That looks like an image of Nale, rather than Nale himself.

Obviously :) Unless Nale has ascended to become a god recently :)

Smashymcsmash
2006-08-03, 09:27 AM
Here comes the sending ooh aah!

NullAshton
2006-08-03, 09:31 AM
Doh. An image. Probally should have guessed from the glowy and if you look close enough, you can see through Nale.

charik
2006-08-03, 09:33 AM
Nice to see Nale has finally gotten his hand on a Sending scroll.

Favorite line: "... It's a subterranean monster."

Were-Sandwich
2006-08-03, 09:35 AM
subterrainean...


Nice to see Nale again.

Beelzebub1111
2006-08-03, 09:36 AM
BUM BUM BUUUUUUUUMMMM!!!

Calamity
2006-08-03, 09:37 AM
Well, Elan, reeeeally funny as usual ;D

And Nale in the last panel, my reaction to this: :o

Bisquick_Avenger
2006-08-03, 09:38 AM
Ahh so Nale Returns. Yay for story advancement!

With great rapidity!

martyboy74
2006-08-03, 09:46 AM
I wonder if V could charm a sending... ;)

UtherSRG
2006-08-03, 09:47 AM
YAY! First page!

Nale is floating in the last panel. :o
Yes, and he's holding a piece of parchment. Likely he is not right there but just read a scroll which allows him to appear there.

Korta
2006-08-03, 09:48 AM
Awesome! Unexpected! And hilarious! (loved the monster under the bed!!!)

Thanks Giant!

okpokalypse
2006-08-03, 09:48 AM
Awesome! The Linear Guild is back... Back to the Action!

wally_c
2006-08-03, 09:51 AM
I thought that was why nale wanted the sending scolls. Very cool.

Calsan
2006-08-03, 09:58 AM
Dun dun Duuuuuuun!!!

Now I realy want to read the next comic!

Still good Giant.

Kanashimi
2006-08-03, 10:03 AM
hooray for famliy reunions!

Kesnit
2006-08-03, 10:12 AM
My first thought - Why is Elan floating?

My second thought - Wait, Elan doesn't have a beard... AHHH!!!!!

I liked the monster under the bed, but my favorite was when Elan asked Roy to fluff his pillow

Deuce
2006-08-03, 10:18 AM
Nice comic, awesome set up for Nale's Sending to appear. I'm still not sure if the page in his hand is the scroll he used to cast the spell, or if he has an opening speech, list of demands and detailed directions to a meeting place/loot drop all written up and ready to go.

Oh, almost forgot - Nth page, w00t, etc . . .

Neopolis
2006-08-03, 10:19 AM
Finally they got the Sending spell. Elan's requests were funny, hehe. Not really a laugh-out-loud comic, but amusing, and plot development.

Borealis
2006-08-03, 10:25 AM
Not as funny as the last one, but I guess now's as good a time as any to jump in. My son and I are officially OOTS fanatics. :)

teratorn
2006-08-03, 10:27 AM
At last! Makes me wish I wasn't going on vacations. Oh well, maybe I'll find a way.

Nekkira
2006-08-03, 10:32 AM
Very cute!

Krytha
2006-08-03, 10:33 AM
When was the last time Roy got a good night's sleep?

mirado_lassik
2006-08-03, 10:43 AM
OH NO! It's the plot twist!!! And everyone's asleep!

GM_West
2006-08-03, 11:01 AM
So do you suppose that's really Nale? Or has Roy officially gone mad after hearing Elan's voice once more...

smellie_hippie
2006-08-03, 11:18 AM
Yay! Dramatic shift from comic genius to surprising tension.

*snort* Subterranean monster...

But what's up with the scroll Nale was holding? Accidentally showing the blueprints for his dastardly plan!?

DUH Duh duhhhhhh...

nightspawn
2006-08-03, 11:20 AM
I am reading OOTS since long before the linear guild first appeared, though I did not read the forums that time.

I just now realized the name Nale is Elan backwards... doh

Stupid me :D

Blaznak
2006-08-03, 11:20 AM
Plot! We got Plot, people!!!

Shea Landford
2006-08-03, 11:23 AM
YYYYYEEEEESSSSS!!!!!! awesome comic. and the linear guild is back! Loved the "It's a subtereanean monster."

Teristen
2006-08-03, 11:28 AM
Yay! I feel like we're moving again. I like it when the plot slows down for a few days to explore/be funny/etc. I do like, however, to feel like someday we're going to go somewhere. :P

Flak_Razorwill
2006-08-03, 11:29 AM
I appear to hemmoragging. Why's Nale flying?

silvadel
2006-08-03, 11:38 AM
Amazing how many of us heard the sound effect there...

Dun Dun Duuuuunn....

When I was reading the comic I heard that music also...

Max_Sinister
2006-08-03, 11:44 AM
Man... isn't Elan supposed to be good? If yes, he collected some alignment infraction points with those actions... the way he acts he seems to be chaotic neutral (or at least chaotic, that's for sure).

And the Linear Guild is back! Thanks Giant, I've been waiting so long!

[Insert Neat Username Here]
2006-08-03, 11:45 AM
The look on Roy's face in the last panel is great. ;D

saraswati
2006-08-03, 12:04 PM
Because the impending doom on Azure City itself isn't enough, the Giant HAD to throw in the Linear Guild! I'm hoping for some wacky hijinks to ensue. Yay!

Spolier : I'm wondering where the LG is holding Ms. Greenhilt hostage. It couldn't possibly be anywhere in the vicinity of a gate? Could it? Dun Dun Dun!!!!!!

EmeraldFire
2006-08-03, 12:13 PM
Yes! I've been waiting for the return of the Linear Guild ever since they recruited Pompey ;D

Can't wait to see what happens next

Reko_
2006-08-03, 12:17 PM
If you actually count the days since Nale's "Soon. Very soon.", it's only been 3, 4 days since it. So really, Nale's right on time, even if he did seem to take a long time to appear.

As always, good stuff. I like comics that surprise you.

Asoon
2006-08-03, 12:23 PM
Doh. An image. Probally should have guessed from the glowy and if you look close enough, you can see through Nale.


no you can't, it's another one of them optical illusions :)

try covering the lines going through his halo with your fingers, you can see that they do not continue through his clothes.

ScreamerSimon
2006-08-03, 12:42 PM
no you can't, it's another one of them optical illusions :)

try covering the lines going through his halo with your fingers, you can see that they do not continue through his clothes.


Well, actually you can, the spine of the mountains is visible in the lower right corner of Nale's head....

Dawnstrider_Moogle
2006-08-03, 01:05 PM
That was pretty impressive: the big reveal was both dramatic AND hysterical :) Awesome.

CharPixie
2006-08-03, 01:38 PM
If you'll excuse me for just one moment....

yay! nale!

*Ahem*. Sometimes, we just need to get some things out of our system.

BlythraB
2006-08-03, 01:41 PM
hooray! Banjo is here! and, Nale FINALLY made his appearance!

ref
2006-08-03, 01:51 PM
dun dun DUN!!

Leatherman
2006-08-03, 02:14 PM
hooray! Banjo is here! and, Nale FINALLY made his appearance!


Am I the only one here that hears the theme song from Deliverance whenever anyone talks about Banjo?

SteveMB
2006-08-03, 02:21 PM
Doh. An image. Probally should have guessed from the glowy and if you look close enough, you can see through Nale.

no you can't, it's another one of them optical illusions :)

Yes, you can. Look carefully at the lower portion of Nale's face, just above where his cape drapes over his shoulder.

Leatherman
2006-08-03, 02:30 PM
no you can't, it's another one of them optical illusions :)Yes, you can. Look carefully at the lower portion of Nale's face, just above where his cape drapes over his shoulder.




You are Correct
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l35/Leatherman78/nale.jpg

divine
2006-08-03, 02:43 PM
woot ;D
bring on teh evil guild

Arin
2006-08-03, 02:50 PM
I am reading OOTS since long before the linear guild first appeared, though I did not read the forums that time.

I just now realized the name Nale is Elan backwards... doh

Stupid me :D


Is it bad that I didn't realize it until you pointed it out, and I've been reading just as long? :)






Am I the only one here that hears the theme song from Deliverance whenever anyone talks about Banjo?

Yes. Yes you are. :)

Oh, and for the guy that was counting... dun dun DUNNNNNNNNN

Solmage
2006-08-03, 02:55 PM
Heh, if I were roy, I'd have V cast sleep on elan the second they are about to camp.

Bonus side effect: Save on water :D

LE4dGOLEM
2006-08-03, 03:07 PM
Aww, page 6, one slower than last comic >_<


AH, some plotline! Finally! "Oh, it bodes"

Hm.... Why was Roy just standing there in that exact place?

Dark_Warrior
2006-08-03, 03:23 PM
Nale return!

Felinoid
2006-08-03, 03:27 PM
Hunh. *I had always thought of Nale and Elan's voices as clearly distinct. *Elan would sound nicer, and Nale with an edge. *But I guess they sound enough the same to fool Roy. *Then again, it may just have been expectation that it would be Elan that allowed Roy to overlook any small difference. I just don't know. :-/


Nice comic, awesome set up for Nale's Sending to appear. *I'm still not sure if the page in his hand is the scroll he used to cast the spell, or if he has an opening speech, list of demands and detailed directions to a meeting place/loot drop all written up and ready to go.

I was just wondering whether or not it could actually be the Sending scroll. *Scrolls get used up on casting (in a poof of magical flame, according to all of my DMs), but maybe the scroll doesn't get destroyed until the spell is complete (message has been delivered)?


http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l35/Leatherman78/nale.jpg

Hmm, his head is translucent, and the line of his sleeve matches up with the mountain on the right side, but then his beard is opaque. *Strange indeed. *This strip leaves me with far more questions than answers, I'm afraid. :(

Marcyss
2006-08-03, 03:36 PM
Oh, that's... that's ingenious.

Insanely good. Oh... my...

was wondering when they'd show up.

ingenious.

Steward
2006-08-03, 03:44 PM
Why did Elan suddenly grow a beard, float into the air, and start glowing like the Vegas strip in the last panel?

Leatherman
2006-08-03, 03:51 PM
Why did Elan suddenly grow a beard, float into the air, and start glowing like the Vegas strip in the last panel?


I'm not sure if you're kidding or not, but its not elan in the last panel. Its Nale from the linear guild. Elans Evil Twin

http://www.giantitp.com/cgi-bin/GiantITP/ootscript?SK=50

Deckmaster
2006-08-03, 03:51 PM
Why did Elan suddenly grow a beard, float into the air, and start glowing like the Vegas strip in the last panel?

That's Nale, silly.

Great comic! I didn't see that coming at the end. I loved the whole shtick throughout the comic. What, is Elan 5 years old now?

Daedrous Avari
2006-08-03, 03:52 PM
How did Nale pass Elan like that?

Other than that, a little addition.

DUH DUH DUH!

Dramatic Cues rock.

TheTick
2006-08-03, 03:57 PM
*Hm.... Why was Roy just standing there in that exact place?

He is 'standing' watch. ;)

Holy_Knight
2006-08-03, 04:06 PM
"It's a subterranean monster."-- Priceless! :D

Also loved Banjo wanting a good night kiss! And it's great to see that the Linear Guild's nefarious plot is finally about to unfurl.

Great comic!

Nightfall
2006-08-03, 04:23 PM
"A subterreanean monster"??
Oh no, PLEASE don't give my daughter any more ideas! It's hard enough getting her to bed as it is! :D

Ronald_saveloy
2006-08-03, 04:26 PM
Mmmmhhh! Subterreanean Monster under the bed? Maybe it is a Lumber Hulk! (http://www.giantitp.com/Images/bcx/MonsterMash002.gif) ;D

Ezbez
2006-08-03, 05:06 PM
Elan knows what "subteranean" means?

Eldhrin
2006-08-03, 05:09 PM
I was just wondering whether or not it could actually be the Sending scroll. Scrolls get used up on casting (in a poof of magical flame, according to all of my DMs), but maybe the scroll doesn't get destroyed until the spell is complete (message has been delivered)?

Maybe It's a map so that Nale can make sure Roy knows where to come to rescue his sister and spring the trap? It would be easier than describing it, especially with Nale's low opinion of the Order of the Stick's intelligence.

baltor85
2006-08-03, 05:11 PM
Yay, hahaha, my favorite characters are back! The Linear Guild AND Banjo! Lol.
"You're sleeping on the ground, Elan!"
That's the best!

Adeptus
2006-08-03, 05:18 PM
Nice. :)

The plot is picking up speed again too.

cleric_of_BANJO
2006-08-03, 05:19 PM
My favourite was "will you sing a llulaby to me, roy?" awesome, totally awesome.

I really dont care if nale is transparent or not, it is obvious its an image. Im finally glad we are getting soem good guys/bad guys interaction, rather than just seeing the good guys trying to imagine what the bad guys are doing.

SPOILER:I still think that Roy doesnt have a sister, and that the Greenhilt that nale kidnapped just had the same last name. Imagine that! nale:"I kidnapped your sister!! hahaha!!!" roy:"im an only child..." hehe, lol

Messy
2006-08-03, 05:39 PM
SPOILER:I still think that Roy doesnt have a sister, and that the Greenhilt that nale kidnapped just had the same last name. Imagine that! nale:"I kidnapped your sister!! hahaha!!!" roy:"im an only child..." hehe, lol
Except that if you've read OtOoPC's, you'd know this is most definitely not true.

Dawnstrider_Moogle
2006-08-03, 05:56 PM
Except that if you've read OtOoPC's, you'd know this is most definitely not true.

Or if you were paying enough attention when reading 113 (http://www.giantitp.com/cgi-bin/GiantITP/ootscript?SK=113)...:p

Re-reading the strip, I kind of want Roy to answer "Hello, Roy" with "Hello, Newman"...

fractal
2006-08-03, 05:58 PM
I was just wondering whether or not it could actually be the Sending scroll. *Scrolls get used up on casting (in a poof of magical flame, according to all of my DMs), but maybe the scroll doesn't get destroyed until the spell is complete (message has been delivered)?
Not necessarily. *Remember that, among other things, scrolls can possess more than one spell. *Destroying the physical remains of an expended scroll is a house rule, at least in 3rd Edition.

Therefore, Nale could certainly be holding the scroll he just used.

fractal
2006-08-03, 06:04 PM
Elan knows what "subteranean" means?
Elan's a bard; they have a gift for languages, which includes vocabulary (helps them find rhymes). Just because Elan blurts out "Squid Thingy" doesn't mean he doesn't also know the words "Illithid" and "Psionic".

ekedolphin
2006-08-03, 06:14 PM
I'm curious as to what the state of Roy and Julia's relationship will be when we'll finally see them for the first time in the same panel (as adults, anyway). Obviously, Eugene Greenhilt (their father) was disappointed in Roy and saw Julia as the child most likely to follow in his footsteps *and* fulfill his oath, and if you've read Origins, during Roy's talk with Eugene, you might be able to sense bitterness about that from Roy.

Tobimaro
2006-08-03, 06:19 PM
Here comes the sending ooh aah!




Doh. An image. Probally should have guessed from the glowy and if you look close enough, you can see through Nale.

Plus, if you look in Nale's hand, you will see a piece of paper. Looks like he made a successful Use Magic Device roll. And I suspect that the sending scroll just might play into Nale's plan to tormnet Roy. But that is mere speculation on my part.

And to think that Roy will not be able to go madman on Nale. *sigh* ;D

sugarmouse121
2006-08-03, 06:31 PM
Return of the Linear Guild...

great comic, once again!

mikeyq6
2006-08-03, 06:32 PM
The return of the Linear Guild, Yay! As evil-looking as ever too, yahaha!

Daedrous Avari
2006-08-03, 06:46 PM
To Grovar - Actually, since he's got sorceror levels (Quote - I'm a multiclass fighter/rogue/sorceror who specializes in enchantment spells) he can use the scroll without a use magic device check.

BTW - Welcome to the forums, mikey.

Fillbert
2006-08-03, 06:46 PM
Wow,
All this time, waiting, wondering, patiently biding my time through slow plot movement..... and then BAM!!!!!!! The return of Nale and BANJO!!!! Prepare to be Smote, Infidels.

Hototo
2006-08-03, 06:49 PM
sweet, but now I'm wondering if there is gonna be some kind of throw down between the LG and OOTS while Xykon is busy destroying things. Oh well, yay for action!!!

mirado_lassik
2006-08-03, 06:53 PM
This may have already been mentioned, but did anyone else notice the mark on Nale's face? *He seems to be partially transparent with the curve-shaped mountain in the background.

Spoiler: It's his father. *Totally.

Tq3eufiy
2006-08-03, 07:50 PM
That's because he is using the "Sending" scroll (has anybody noticed?) that allows the spellcaster to telephatically speaks to a person he knows personally, as seen on strip 258. ::)

Kahlan
2006-08-03, 08:02 PM
It's always fun when the lawful good leader character's mind starts to spiral slowly into insanity. Poor Roy. At least he doesn't know about "The Event"... yet. ;D

And YES! Linear Guild! Time for Thog with rocket skates. :)

Evik
2006-08-03, 08:09 PM
YAY! So enters the Linear Guild once again!!!
hehehe

MathiasTheDiviner
2006-08-03, 08:30 PM
And so it continues!

Great comic, and it's about time the Linear Guild enacted their master plan. I can't wait to see their new roster!

Sadly, I think Thog's rocket skates might have played out their part (http://www.giantitp.com/cgi-bin/GiantITP/ootscript?SK=257).

Then again, the Linear Guild would have to give Thog something to make up for the lack of sprinkles...

Oh, and before I forget, \/\/007! 8th page!

5tephen
2006-08-03, 08:33 PM
Dun dun daahhhhh!

Alright, I know it's pointless, but I have a few ideas as to where the plot will go from here. I don't actually WANT to influence whether this happens or not, so I'll hide my thoughts.
<spoil>
So, Nale will have set his trap for Roy and Elan, somewhere near Cliffport. Roy will decide that they have to go there, part of his justification will be that Cliifport is one of the quicker ways to the Western Continent anyway. They will send a message to Azure city somehow, but end up in completely the wrong place.

Xykon goes nuts on Azure city, and Lord Shinjo decides to blow up his own gate, trusting Dorukan's wisdom about their possible mis-use, leaving it to our heroes to be the last line of defence between Xykon and the END OF THE WORLD.
</spoil>

The good thing about all that? Is that sometime in the next few episodes, we might get some more good information for THE MAP (http://www.giantitp.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=comics;action=display;num=1144628756 ;start=0).

Zzarchov
2006-08-03, 08:40 PM
I remember awhile back there was a bit that Roy was way to mean and abusive towards Elan and that is uncalled for.

This strip shows what Roy goes through and why it IS called for.

Niskers
2006-08-03, 09:29 PM
Woohoo, plot! As fun(ny) as the other stuff is, I think I'm getting an acute case of plot-deprivation.

WarriorTribble
2006-08-03, 09:30 PM
That was the cutest thing I've read in a long time :). Course if I was Roy I'd have clonked Elan's adorable head with a rock.

ElfLad
2006-08-03, 09:42 PM
Dun dun DUN!

Awesome on a pie crust.

Ravens_Wing
2006-08-03, 11:03 PM
Know I know it has been said before but since it was the first thing i thought after reading the comic....

DUN DUN DUUNNNNNN!


lol I love this comic!

charik
2006-08-03, 11:38 PM
SPOILER:I still think that Roy doesnt have a sister, and that the Greenhilt that nale kidnapped just had the same last name. Imagine that! nale:"I kidnapped your sister!! hahaha!!!" roy:"im an only child..." hehe, lol
As it's covered in (now all three) books, I won't bother with the spoiler color: no. *Roy does have a younger sister Julia.

When was the last time Roy got a good night's sleep?
At a guess? *I'd say the last night they spent in jail in Azure City. *Certainly not the very last night they were there ... *:-* . *Before that? *The night after hiring everyone, before they set out for the Redmountain Hills.

Serina_Spellbinder
2006-08-03, 11:54 PM
If I were Roy my grip on sanity would have gone bye-bye when Elan asked me to kiss Banjo. * >:( *Out with the big sword, Banjo cut into tiny pieces. *;D

While I wasn't specifically jonesin' for it, I was wondering how long it would be before the Linear Guild subplot re-emerged. *Gotta love that Sending spell.

EDIT: Since Julia told Nale he'd be cute if he shaved off his goatee, I can imagine the sparks (and probably the fur if Haley has anything to say about it) will fly when she lays eyes on Elan.

Krytha
2006-08-04, 01:12 AM
EDIT: Since Julia told Nale he'd be cute if he shaved off his goatee, I can imagine the sparks (and probably the fur if Haley has anything to say about it) will fly when she lays eyes on Elan.

And Roy will be working over-time to stop his lineage from ever mingling with Elan's.

KuH
2006-08-04, 03:23 AM
Speaking of all the people who only just now got the fact that Elan is Nale ...

... am I the only one who just got the humor behind the fact that the bard's evil twin is a multiclass fighter/rogue/sorcerer specializing in enchantment spells? :D

Wolf_In_Exile
2006-08-04, 04:39 AM
Nice. Didn't see that coming. Not overly funny, but plot advancement is GOOD! subterrainan monster made me crack up tho.

originalpimp
2006-08-04, 05:48 AM
Oooh.. nice cliffhanger. *Can't wait to see the new LG members.

Not really much of a cliffhanger since we pretty much know exactly what's going to happen next. Nale tells Roy that they have his sister, they go rescue her, blah blah blah, OMG BANJO, blah blah blah blah blaaaaah, LOL NEITHER OF THEM ARE ANIMALS, blah, hornet=bug, blah, muskrat=vermin, blah blah and much more!

Delgarde
2006-08-04, 06:54 AM
... am I the only one who just got the humor behind the fact that the bard's evil twin is a multiclass fighter/rogue/sorcerer specializing in enchantment spells? :D

I.e, a less effective version of a bard? I doubt it. I always thought it was pretty subtle... took me a few reads to spot the deeper meaning...

Really, though, it's a horribly inefficient character concept - in particular, spellcasters are hugely weakened by multiclassing. If Nale has his levels balanced to avoid XP penalties, he's only going to be casting 1st level spells, maybe a few 2nd. And his attack bonus is no better and probably worse than that of Elan. His only advantage over his brother is a working brain.

Delgarde
2006-08-04, 07:06 AM
After a rough week at work, I'm really sympathising with Roy at the moment. I've managed to not kill any co-workers yet, and I'm considering that a huge accomplishment.

Yrogerg
2006-08-04, 08:48 AM
Not really much of a cliffhanger since we pretty much know exactly what's going to happen next. Nale tells Roy that they have his sister, they go rescue her, blah blah blah, OMG BANJO, blah blah blah blah blaaaaah, LOL NEITHER OF THEM ARE ANIMALS, blah, hornet=bug, blah, muskrat=vermin, blah blah and much more!


Umm, the vermin comment was a rules joke, wasn't it? Hornets=>vermin, but muskrats don't exist, but if they did, they'd be non-mindless, and therefore animals... right?

Or am I missing something painfull obvious here?

warmachine
2006-08-04, 08:49 AM
When someone doesn't realise the cause of bizarre animal attacks on two, feuding people, that person really needs to get some sleep.

And get some earplugs. And encourage Haley to babysit Elan. And find someone trustworthy to stand guard. And find a sack of potatoes he can beat up everyday.

Sesshoumaru_Cian
2006-08-04, 10:49 AM
Brillant issue.

Elan: Roy! There's a monster under my bed!!

Roy: You're sleeping on the Ground, Elan!

Deuce
2006-08-04, 10:59 AM
. . .

*And find a sack of potatoes he can beat up everyday.

Only works until he realizes it's easier to have V just Fireball the sack of potatoes . . .

morbiczer
2006-08-04, 02:35 PM
Many of you have written that we will son see the Linear Guild, especially its new members.

I don't think so. Nale uses Sending to talk with Roy, he and his team are far away. We won't see them for many strips still.

Aliquid
2006-08-04, 04:01 PM
Umm, the vermin comment was a rules joke, wasn't it? *Hornets=>vermin, but muskrats don't exist, but if they did, they'd be non-mindless, and therefore animals... right?

Or am I missing something painfull obvious here?Don't worry. You aren't confused, but others people certainly appear to be confused.

In D&D, Muskrats would be classified as animals, Hornets would be classified as vermin.

In real life, Muskrats are animals (mammals), and hornets are insects. Both creatures could be considered to be vermin.

humanpylon
2006-08-04, 04:11 PM
So how pissed would Nale be if he went to all sorts of trouble to find evil opposites and one of the order ended up getting killed before they met?

Not saying I want that to happen (definitely not) but I can just imagine Nale's frustration and rage!

Messy
2006-08-04, 05:50 PM
So how pissed would Nale be if he went to all sorts of trouble to find evil opposites and one of the order ended up getting killed before they met?

Not saying I want that to happen (definitely not) but I can just imagine Nale's frustration and rage!
Even if this did happen (which is extremely unlikely, unless they met Xykon or something beforehand), I doubt Nale would be terribly mad. Sure, he took the time finding evil opposites. But it was only to kill them in the first place! Them dying wouldn't make a huge difference.

I don't think so. Nale uses Sending to talk with Roy, he and his team are far away. We won't see them for many strips still.
They will travel at the "speed of plot," otherwise known as however fast the Giant feels they should travel based on what will happen in between.

Serina_Spellbinder
2006-08-04, 06:13 PM
Even if this did happen (which is extremely unlikely, unless they met Xykon or something beforehand), I doubt Nale would be terribly mad. Sure, he took the time finding evil opposites. But it was only to kill them in the first place! Them dying wouldn't make a huge difference.
They will travel at the "speed of plot," otherwise known as however fast the Giant feels they should travel based on what will happen in between.

Very true. 'Speed of plot' worked quite well for George Lucas and J. Michael Straczinski :)

Bilbo27
2006-08-04, 06:25 PM
Can't wait to see how Nale tells Roy he has his sister.

Evil laugh

Dawnstrider_Moogle
2006-08-04, 06:55 PM
Not really much of a cliffhanger since we pretty much know exactly what's going to happen next. Nale tells Roy that they have his sister, they go rescue her, blah blah blah, OMG BANJO, blah blah blah blah blaaaaah, LOL NEITHER OF THEM ARE ANIMALS, blah, hornet=bug, blah, muskrat=vermin, blah blah and much more!

...be careful. I mean, remember what happened the last time someone talked like that (http://www.giantitp.com/cgi-bin/GiantITP/ootscript?SK=257)?

charik
2006-08-04, 08:40 PM
...be careful. *I mean, remember what happened the last time someone talked like that (http://www.giantitp.com/cgi-bin/GiantITP/ootscript?SK=257)?
Not to worry; he only hit a max of five times in a row, nowhere near Elan's world record. :P



Only works until he realizes it's easier to have V just Fireball the sack of potatoes . . .
It's not a question of ease in destroying something, it's to work out his frustrations in non-disruptive manner. Similar to my becoming very good at Tetris one semester by playing it after a class with a particular teacher. ::)

Messy
2006-08-04, 09:49 PM
Becoming very good at Tetris one semester by playing it after a class with a particular teacher. ::)
Why did... no, nevermind, don't want to know. ;)

I just remembered, Nale asked Pompey to find as many Sending scrolls as he could. Why would he need more than one?

cleric_of_BANJO
2006-08-04, 11:35 PM
ever heard of the word blackmail? its not the same, but close. instead of giving all the information at once, nale is gonna give bits and pieces of the information, thus being more secretive and more son-of-a-bitchy.

Dervag
2006-08-05, 04:58 AM
ever heard of the word blackmail? its not the same, but close. instead of giving all the information at once, nale is gonna give bits and pieces of the information, thus being more secretive and more son-of-a-bitchy.
In hindsight, this turned out to be a true statement, although probably not because of Nale's intentions. He did in fact give the relevant information in bits and pieces.

Kish
2006-08-05, 05:15 AM
And he did, in fact, need many scrolls of Sending in order to give the information in bits and pieces.

SpawnofDrake
2006-08-05, 10:53 AM
I like this one. Funny. ^_^
The scrolls with 25 word limits, funny.
How many scrolls did Nale go through?

[Insert Neat Username Here]
2006-08-08, 04:11 PM
Seven, plus one for Julia. That's got to be expensive.

ncriker
2006-08-08, 09:44 PM
plus, as best as has been figured, he had about a 40% of failing his caster level check to use the scroll.

evileeyore
2006-08-08, 10:36 PM
plus, as best as has been figured, he had about a 40% of failing his caster level check to use the scroll.

And where does this figure come from? *yeah, it's a level 5 spell, but Rogues get Use Magic Device. *It ain't hard for Rogue/Sorceror (with very likely a high Charisma) to easily make the DC to pretend to be a 9th level Wizard. *That is only a 29. *If he is tenth level with a 18 CHA, he could easily have an 18 UMD. *With 5 ranks in Decipher Script and 5 ranks in Spellcraft that would be a 23 UMD. *And likely he actually has a 20 CHA and is 12th level, making that a 26 UMD.

This would mean he has a 15% percent chance of failure. *Otherwise I doubt he'd have spent the money, them scrolls ain't cheap.

ncriker
2006-08-09, 10:23 AM
And where does this figure come from? *yeah, it's a level 5 spell, but Rogues get Use Magic Device. *It ain't hard for Rogue/Sorceror (with very likely a high Charisma) to easily make the DC to pretend to be a 9th level Wizard. *That is only a 29. *If he is tenth level with a 18 CHA, he could easily have an 18 UMD. *With 5 ranks in Decipher Script and 5 ranks in Spellcraft that would be a 23 UMD. *And likely he actually has a 20 CHA and is 12th level, making that a 26 UMD.

This would mean he has a 15% percent chance of failure. *Otherwise I doubt he'd have spent the money, them scrolls ain't cheap.


let's see... he is a rougue/fighter/sorceror.

he is probably level 12 or so...

assuming he has leveled evenly (we have no reason to assume otherwise) that is 4 sorceror, 4 rogue, and 4 fighter.

he actally has all of the requirements for casting the spell down except for caster level (it is an arcane spell, on his list of class spells, he has at least 15 cha)

according to the DMG, all he has left to do is make a caster level check dc 10. (9 is the minimum caster level for the spell, and the formula is (dc=CL+1). looking at it, it looks like that is a 30% chance of failure. oh well, still would significanly increase the number of scrolls he has to go through, which was my origional point.

btw, trying to use UMD to qualify for CL would be even harder. assuming he took it cross-class with fighter and sorceror, and his very first level was in rogue, that is 11 ranks, and +4 cha mod (assuming 18 cha, which might be kinda high, since he has many other abilities which are also important). we have no evidence which would lead us to believe that he has taken any feats to boost this, or any other special modifiers, which leaves his total at 15, versus a dc 29, meaning he must get a 14 or better, a 65% chance of failure.

maybe he also has spellcraft at least 5 ranks (not unlikely), that would give him a +2 to his UMD with that scroll, giving him a 55% chance of failure. it stilll would be better to stick with a simple CL check.