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Rare Pink Leech
2007-08-31, 08:21 AM
To avoid derailing the Drink of the Gods (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55245) thread, I thought I'd create a thread of its own for beer where beer lovers and beer haters can come together in discussion. What types of beer you like, how much you hate it, what you find so delectable/loathesome about it, and so on.

To continue a line of discussion from the Drink of the Gods thread, beer is indeed yak piss ... if you drink any of the commerical crap that most people will be introduced to (Molson, Labatt, Coors, Budweiser, Miller, etc., for the yak piss produced in Canada & the United States).

However, if you drink real beer, you'll find that there is a huge range of styles and flavours to choose from. Everyone knows about wine connoissieurs - well, there are beer connoissieurs. You can very much describe a beer by its colour, odour, taste, and mouth feel, and certain styles of beer work better when paired with certain foods. Just like wine.

Also, someone mentioned that they don't normally drink beer, but there is a dark beer produced locally they liked because you can't taste the alcohol. That's because with a high-quality beer, you won't taste the alcohol (for the most part; in some types tasting the alcohol is a desirable quality).

Anyway, if you want to drink some real beer, find some microbreweries in your area and give them a try. Then you'll really find out what beer tastes like.

Edit: spelling

Rykaj
2007-08-31, 08:31 AM
In normal situations I just drink Heineken. But! I also live right next to Belgium and Belgium is the country is special brews, yay. Some of my favorites include Grimbergen, Hoegaarden, Gulden Draak and Leffe. And then there's this tiny brewery in Amsterdam that uses 'ecological products only', and they in fact make quite a tasty beer. A short summary of my tastes.

Zherog
2007-08-31, 08:37 AM
In normal situations I just drink Heineken.

http://home.comcast.net/~jeling/smilies/puke.gif

Heineken is among the worst beers I've ever had.

Azrael
2007-08-31, 08:41 AM
http://home.comcast.net/~jeling/smilies/puke.gif

Heineken is among the worst beers I've ever had.

I understand that the non-exported Heiny is less nasty. But the people I've ever met from Holland say that even then it's considered bottom of the keg, so to speak.

Plus, if you're close to Belgium you really ought to be drinking Belgian beer. I'd even say exclusively Belgian beer. I mean Chimay is right there.

As for US beer drinkers, despite the likelihood of tossing a couple excellent beers under the bus (like Sam Adams), I'd recommend that if you've ever heard or seen a TV or radio ad for a beer DO NOT drink it.

(* Please consider this the Beirut Exception Clause*)

Skippy
2007-08-31, 08:41 AM
I drink usually Corona, one of the best mexican beers there are. I'm not a fan of expensive beers, really. Sol and Indio are good, too, but Corona is the best mexican beer there is.

OverdrivePrime
2007-08-31, 08:50 AM
I go for microbrews and high-quality ales almost exclusively. I live in Milwaukee, and am terribly embarrassed by the near-tasteless filth that is Miller and its products. If pressed, I'll drink a Miller Genuine Draft, but I'll do so grudgingly and won't enjoy it much.

Anyway, I prefer a local micro place called Lakefront Brewery (http://www.lakefrontbrewery.com/). Their beers and ales are truly fermented awesome. They also happen to have the best brewery tour that anyone I know has ever been on.

When not drinking Lakefront, I go for Skullsplitter (http://www.legendslimited.com/skull.html), Delierium Nocturnum (http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/180/1421/), or if in an Irish bar, Smithwick's (http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/209/29602).

OverdrivePrime
2007-08-31, 08:54 AM
I drink usually Corona, one of the best mexican beers there are. I'm not a fan of expensive beers, really. Sol and Indio are good, too, but Corona is the best mexican beer there is.
:smalleek:
I am utterly dumbfounded by your statement. In my world you have just declared that up is actually blue and hot is actually grass. I hear only the ravings of a madman. Have you tried Modelo Negra, or Dos Equis? I am certain that any person gifted with tastebuds will enjoy them more than Corona.

Skippy
2007-08-31, 08:57 AM
Well, I'm not quite a drinker, really. I haven't tried them, actually. I just like the taste of Corona. But today may be a good chance to try them, now that you say so. I'll follow your advice and... Tell you tomorrow... :smallbiggrin:

OverdrivePrime
2007-08-31, 09:01 AM
If I can make one life more flavorful, then I have not lived in vain! :smallsmile:

I know some people like Corona because its like drinking water with a lime in it that can eventually make you drunk. It's cheap, so Corona has that going for it too. But for actual taste, I think you'll like some of the other Mexican varieties. Modelo Negra is my favorite, but I tend to like a lot of darker beers.

Argent
2007-08-31, 09:13 AM
:smalleek:
I am utterly dumbfounded by your statement. In my world you have just declared that up is actually blue and hot is actually grass. I hear only the ravings of a madman. Have you tried Modelo Negra, or Dos Equis? I am certain that any person gifted with tastebuds will enjoy them more than Corona.

Corona has its time and place -- it's a great hot-weather beer, and it's good when you're looking for something lighter. That being said, Negro Modela is absolutely fantastic and it's one of my favorite beers ever.

My all-time favorite is Abita Turbo Dog, although close runners-up include Fat Tire, Newcastle Brown and almost anything by Ska Brewery.

Telonius
2007-08-31, 09:28 AM
Of the major US brewing companies, Sam Adams is the only one I ever drink. The rest, I hardly consider beer.

In no particular order, some of the other brands that I like:
Legend
Hobgoblin
Rogue
Turbodog
Wolaver's (particularly their Honey Brown ale)
Warsteiner's (though I will confirm that it loses a lot in the trip over from Germany, it's still a decent beer when it gets here)

Some of Trader Joe's labels are surprisingly good.

I really don't like Hefeweizen - not even the stuff I tried when I was in Germany. I just don't like it. So I know there are a bunch of good beers that I'm not going to mention just because of that.

The very best brews are the ones that you can find locally. If you have a brewpub in your area, and are of age, try it out.

Monney Dhoo
2007-08-31, 09:35 AM
Out of preference I drink either good British real ale, preferably from as local a brewery as possible. The less distance beer travels the better. I prefer to drink the light coloured ales out of preference. My favourite brewery is the local one from when I was at university, Durham Brewery (England).

I also have a taste for good continental lagers, especially the German and Czech stuff, though in all honesty I like most German beer, especially Alt, Pils and Weissbier (preferably Dunkel). I must say I like the German attitude to beer, they just treat it as an adult soft drink. If you are in a supermarket there, it is found with the soft drinks rather than with the wines and the spirits.

JellyPooga
2007-08-31, 09:38 AM
Normally, given the opportunity to have a rant about beer, I would gladly take it and rave on about how the only good beer is traditional english ale, complete with old mens beards and twigs in it...but to be honest, I don't have the effort right now.

For preference I drink Ale, followed by real Beer (the stuff you get from continental Europe that's usually around the 8-12% mark), stouts/bitters and miscellaneous other.

I cannot stand the commercial lagers (Fosters, Carling, etc.) available in the UK, they make me retch. As does the stuff available in America that's served ice-cold because it takes like piss...beer should be slightly below room-temperature at its coldest and some should even be served slightly warm.

Ah crap...I'm starting to rant...sigh...don't worry, I'll stop before it goes any further....

Azrael
2007-08-31, 09:42 AM
... followed by real Beer (the stuff you get from continental Europe...

...As does the stuff available in America ...

Although it may not have been JP's intent, the next (or first) person who disparages all American beer based on the macro brewed Budweiser & Clones is going to get a bottle of Ommegang (http://www.ommegang.com/) shoved quite brutally into one of their orifices. Perhaps a nostril.

I'm just sick of it. If you actually know anything about good beer, you should already know better.

Zherog
2007-08-31, 09:46 AM
I like some of the beers from Sam Adams - cherry wheat is especially good. The "regular" Sam Adams isn't bad (it's head and shoulders above any other large-scale American production), but it's not my thing.

I also like stuff from small breweries. Right now, I'm working my way through a sampler case from Weyerbacher Brewing Company (http://www.weyerbacher.com/cwo.php?id=7&page_id=19). The case includes Autumnfest (http://www.weyerbacher.com/cwo.php?id=7&page_id=7), Black Hole (http://www.weyerbacher.com/cwo.php?id=7&page_id=8), Hops Infusion (http://www.weyerbacher.com/cwo.php?id=7&page_id=15), and House Ale (http://www.weyerbacher.com/cwo.php?id=7&page_id=50). I didn't much like the Hops Infusion, but the other three are very tasty.

I've had a previous sampler case from the same brewery that included Blithering Idiot (http://www.weyerbacher.com/cwo.php?id=7&page_id=10), Heresy (http://www.weyerbacher.com/cwo.php?id=7&page_id=14), Merry Monk (http://www.weyerbacher.com/cwo.php?id=7&page_id=17), and Old Heathen (http://www.weyerbacher.com/cwo.php?id=7&page_id=24). All four of those were very tasty as well.

Another beer I tried recently that was very good was Young's Double Chocolate Stout. Their site seems to be not working, or I'd link it. Tasty.

Amotis
2007-08-31, 10:01 AM
*throws arms up in the air*

I HAVE RESPECT FOR BEER!

I personally like a cheap not-so-great beer, like Corona, with say...my cheap not-so-healthy for your mexican food. Fitting and delicious.

Old_Man
2007-08-31, 10:10 AM
My grandfather taught me a valuable lesson; "There is no bad beer." He told me, "There is good beer, better beer, and beer that someone else paid for." There is a time and place for Corona, Miller Lite, and Heineken, but if you can, you should try to get some of the better beer. Beerfest isn't just a movie. Many cities have exhibitions for microbrewers to display their frothy, malty, hoppy beauties. Mmmmm... beer. My favorites are inMadison, WI (http://www.mhtg.org/index.html) and Denver, CO (http://www.beertown.org/events/gabf/index.htm).

Currently drinking: Spotted Cow (http://www.newglarusbrewing.com/beers.html) (Well, not at this moment. At 10:00 am, it is still coffee time.)

Waiting for the next batch of: 120 IPA (http://www.dogfish.com/brewings/Occasional_Rarities/120_Minute_IPA/15/index.htm)

Azrael
2007-08-31, 10:14 AM
Waiting for the next batch of: 120 IPA (http://www.dogfish.com/brewings/Occasional_Rarities/120_Minute_IPA/15/index.htm)

The 120 is amazing. I pick up Raison D'Etre frequently.

reorith
2007-08-31, 10:14 AM
steel reserve 4tw. nothing says "woo i'm a so hip and urban." like a 40 oz of beverage with the word steel in it's name.

Azrael
2007-08-31, 10:15 AM
Privilege Revocation: For bringing up $2 40's of malt beverage, Reorith may no longer talk about about beer.

Zherog
2007-08-31, 10:23 AM
My grandfather taught me a valuable lesson; "There is no bad beer."

Your grandfather obviously never drank Piels or Milwaukee's Best...

Maerdred
2007-08-31, 10:27 AM
I understand that the non-exported Heiny is less nasty. But the people I've ever met from Holland say that even then it's considered bottom of the keg, so to speak.

Plus, if you're close to Belgium you really ought to be drinking Belgian beer. I'd even say exclusively Belgian beer. I mean Chimay is right there.

As for US beer drinkers, despite the likelihood of tossing a couple excellent beers under the bus (like Sam Adams), I'd recommend that if you've ever heard or seen a TV or radio ad for a beer DO NOT drink it.

(* Please consider this the Beirut Exception Clause*)


Haha. Sam Adams. Boston. Makes so much sense. But, yes. I agree. I've tried almost every variety of their beer and have yet to find one that I dislike.

I'd like to point to another local beer and state that Shipyard's Pumpkinhead Ale is possibly the best flavoured beer on the planet. Harpoon's Winter Warmer, Sam Adams' Octoberfest. These are all local, seasonal beers which I could drink until I burst. Sierra Nevada. Thank you for distributing to New Hampshire. Get me into any microbrew, and I'll probably find something that I'll like.

Now, as far as imports... Newcastle. Bass. Guinness. That's about where it stops for me.

A general rule, if it comes in a can (other than Guinness, of course) I will most likely not drink it.

Tom_Violence
2007-08-31, 10:31 AM
Its times like this that I wish I had the financial luxury to explore the wonderful world of beers out there, because I've had some damn good ones in my time. Sadly though, I usually end up having enough good ones to promptly forget what I was drinking the next day. I regularly despair whenever I realise that the only beers in my meagre price range these days are distinctly lacking in quality. This alone I believe is the source of the UK's drinking binge problem - the beers must be consumed incredibly quickly so as to avoid actually having to taste them.

Alex Kidd
2007-08-31, 10:40 AM
Anyone else here ever tried Monteith's Dopplerblock Winter Ale? That's my drink of choice. It's annoyingly seasonal however. Otherwise, Little Creature's, Cooper's Pale Ale and Kilkenny's Irish stout are all frequent favourites.


Chimay is right there.

Here, here! I mean it, I want some here. That's good stuff, damned expensive in Australia though. Delirium Tremens is fun too.

Rykaj
2007-08-31, 10:48 AM
Heineken is among the worst beers I've ever had.

I understand that the non-exported Heiny is less nasty. But the people I've ever met from Holland say that even then it's considered bottom of the keg, so to speak.

Well, there you've hit upon one of the great things that divides our nation, beer brands! You've probably met people from the east of the country, where they will only drink Grolsch and completely dispise Heineken and don't want to be involved with it in any way. In fact if the national chain of supermarkets puts Heineken on discount the supermarkets in the east of the country won't bother buying extra stock because it won't sell anyway. And this goes on with different brands all over the country. In the south there's the Dommelsch vs Bavaria feud for example.

I'm a student and when I first came to this city everyone had a preconceived notion about good beer. I myself was in fact a Grolsch drinker, which is supposedly the complete opposite of Heineken. In the end we all ended up mainly liking the beer we drank the most, in my case Heineken, which is what they have at my fraternity (mind you, they work differently here than in the US).

Just don't let anyone tell you Heineken, or any other beer for that matter is bottom keg material here, because there is just no such thing. Even Oranjeboom, which most people think everyone hates, gets drunk in some parts of the country.


Plus, if you're close to Belgium you really ought to be drinking Belgian beer. I'd even say exclusively Belgian beer. I mean Chimay is right there.

You are right, except I often drink beer just to get drunk and in bars they don't often have Belgian beer. If I ever take a beer when I'm just relaxing on the sofa I do prefer a beer with a little more depth in flavor than just plain draft beer. In those situations I really like Belgian beer, Chimay being a great example. :smallsmile:

BDO
2007-08-31, 10:50 AM
In normal situations I just drink Heineken. But! I also live right next to Belgium and Belgium is the country is special brews, yay. Some of my favorites include Grimbergen, Hoegaarden, Gulden Draak and Leffe. And then there's this tiny brewery in Amsterdam that uses 'ecological products only', and they in fact make quite a tasty beer. A short summary of my tastes.

Great, actually anotherone who likes a Leffe. Do they still ship the beer in wooden crates? I only get my hands on some of this great brew if the parents of a friend of mine get some on their vacation trip to Britain...

Normally, I go with a Budweiser (Budvar, the czechian one...), a Kilkenny or, if looking for a dark beer, Guinness or a micro brew fresh from the keg.

For anyone in central europe who likes STRONG beer: Try an "Andechser Doppelbock" either the dark or the normal one. Actually, they ship this stuff by the keg worldwide. Sure, you will pay a lot for this stuff, but if you like some strong, tasty liquid bread, this is definitely yours...

Old_Man
2007-08-31, 10:51 AM
Your grandfather obviously never drank Piels or Milwaukee's Best...

Actually, he did drink the Beast. (He was kind of cheap at times.) If you can drink a slightly warm case, you can drink anything. But why would you if you can avoid it? Oh, avoid. AVOID I say!

Never heard of Piels (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piels_Beer). I see it is a "coasty" beer. Well, next time I'm out East… nah, never mind.

EDIT: Have to say Andechser Doppelbock Dunkel is one of the best beers I've ever had. Got it fresh the last time I was in München. Like drinking a big bowl of fruit- with dirt and chocolate. So malty.

Robberbaron
2007-08-31, 10:58 AM
I don't drink alchohol at all, but I do enjoy a good beer soaked bratwurst.

OverdrivePrime
2007-08-31, 10:58 AM
Ugh, the beast is hoooooorrible. I once ruined a batch of beer brats by trying to boil them in the Beast. That was 9 years ago, and I've never made the same mistake again.

Telonius
2007-08-31, 11:04 AM
Great, actually anotherone who likes a Leffe. Do they still ship the beer in wooden crates? I only get my hands on some of this great brew if the parents of a friend of mine get some on their vacation trip to Britain...

Normally, I go with a Budweiser (Budvar, the czechian one...), a Kilkenny or, if looking for a dark beer, Guinness or a micro brew fresh from the keg.

For anyone in central europe who likes STRONG beer: Try an "Andechser Doppelbock" either the dark or the normal one. Actually, they ship this stuff by the keg worldwide. Sure, you will pay a lot for this stuff, but if you like some strong, tasty liquid bread, this is definitely yours...

Oh lord, the infamous Doppelbock. That was probably the second-worst hangover in my life.

The worst was after the Hofbraeuhaus. Remember that scene in Fellowship of the Ring?
Telonius: "They come in liters?"
Yeah, it was kinda like that, with similarly disastrous results.:smallbiggrin:

MostlyHarmless
2007-08-31, 11:13 AM
You have not really enjoyed drinking swill until you have tried the French idea of beer...warm. They are years behind the idea of a beer fridge. OMG. What they produce in that little area of Alsace where they think they are German beer makers is quite sad. I cannot even remember the names now I have blocked it out of my memory. :smallbiggrin:

But, I have to say this. Before I went to Europe for a year I would not touch beer. Now I am a now and again beer connoisseur. It was the French beer mind you, but Belgium, Germany, and Ireland that taught me the pleasures of beer. After returning I partook in one of those "drink around the world" beer cards where you try all the imports they serve over the course of however long it takes you (months in my case). I leaned on my French beer experience to help me get through some imports like the Canadian stuff, Italian, and African beers. I did encounter some highlights like Dos Equis, Bass, Grolsh, and Beck's.

Fortunately now I live in a microbrew capital and have my choice of fine drafts which is really the way to go over bottled beer. But off the top of my head my standbys are Fat Tire, Leinenkugel Red, Berry or Honey Weiss, Sunshine Wheat (filtered), Boulevard Wheat (unfiltered), and when I can afford it, Kriek Cerise.

rubakhin
2007-08-31, 11:14 AM
As the saying goes, drinking beer without vodka is a waste of money. I concur with the Belgian appreciation, though. I really love Stella Artois. Chez moi, c'est près de ma Stella!

For some ungodly reason there's no beer in my fridge but Michelob's. I swear I am not responsible for this. Yecch.

KuduzDrHector
2007-08-31, 11:18 AM
I drink most beers, but my absolute favourite is called "Efes", which is a turkish beer. They started selling it in the major UK supermarkets and bars last year and it tastes luvly. Only beer that I couldn't finish a pint was "London Pride". It was absolutely diabolical!! Has anyone tried that one at all?

Hoggy
2007-08-31, 11:20 AM
BEER!

So, not that any of you (svae possibly Eldred/Curly, and they're too young) will likely ever get to try it, but Doombar by Sharp's Brewery (St. Austell) is really nice. Bitter, but nice.

Actually, that's ale, does it still count?

EDIT: I concur on London Pride. Tis not nice.

Telonius
2007-08-31, 11:22 AM
One beer to avoid, at all costs: Brooklyn Chocolate Stout. We used to use this stuff for Beer Pong in college, because drinking it really is a punishment. It is the one and only beer that I have ever dumped into a sink rather than finished.

ZombieRockStar
2007-08-31, 11:34 AM
Curse you, Zeb! (Was it Zeb? I can't remember. Curse you anyway!) You got me interested in the cherry wheat Sam Adams, but I can't find any here in Canada! Just the regular! (Admittedly, I've only tried one LCBO so far...I'll try again sometime at an actual Beer Store)

How do you know a beer is bad? When the commercials on TV show a large group of frat guys/large-breasted cowgirls talking not about how strong the beer is, nor how frothy, flavourful, or dark the beer is, but instead about how cold the beer is. As if it was a property of the beer itself and not how long you've left it in the fridge. (I am talking about Coors of course. There's a reason the rest of us think that most American Beer is like making love in a canoe.)

I have a preference for Irish brews: Guiness for a stout but also Kilkenny for a cream ale.

Vacerious
2007-08-31, 11:37 AM
I've always been a big fan of Canadian-brewed beer. My favorites are Labatt Blue and Moosehead. Recently, the new Miller Light Chelada Style beer has proven to be very good. Has a hint of lime that really puts a new twist on it.

Can't stand Red Stripe, though. Then again, I've never associated Jamaicans with beer, and it's a safe assumption. They should just stick to rum.

ZombieRockStar
2007-08-31, 11:40 AM
Labatt? Ew... :smallwink:

Okay, despite what the commercials say, the majority of Canadian macro-beers are just as nasty as most American macros. I have a particular distaste for Molson (mainly because it seems to market itself as a national symbol) and Sleeman, which is brewed in my hometown.

smellie_hippie
2007-08-31, 11:44 AM
*cracks open a tasty brew in his head* What? I'm at work...

Being American... I have to hide my head frequently for the swill that comes out of our breweries. Sam Adams does a decent job, and for that we have salvaged some dignity from the horrors of Miller, Michelob, Pabst, Budweiser, etc etc...


Current top of my drinking shelf is Smithwicks. I enjoy a good Irish or German brew best... and look forward to Octoberfest. I'm also gonna head to Asheville NC for the Brewgrass Festival next month... :smallbiggrin:

All hail Beer! Helping people dance since.... um... yeah.... :smallamused:

Azrael
2007-08-31, 11:50 AM
There's a reason the rest of us think that most American Beer is like making love in a canoe.

Don't knock it until you've tried it.




(The canoe, that is. Don't bother with the beer.)

MountainKing
2007-08-31, 11:51 AM
For myself, if I'm drinking, then damnit, I want to KNOW I'm drinking! My tops are Guinness, Killian's Irish Red, and Leinenkugel's (especially the Leinenkugel's Red); if cheap horse piss is what it must be, then Rolling Rock, King Kobra, or *water*, because frankly, I'm a big guy, and am therefore allowed (I think) to be picky about what I drink.

Zherog
2007-08-31, 11:54 AM
Curse you, Zeb! (Was it Zeb? I can't remember. Curse you anyway!) You got me interested in the cherry wheat Sam Adams, but I can't find any here in Canada! Just the regular! (Admittedly, I've only tried one LCBO so far...I'll try again sometime at an actual Beer Store)

Yes, cherry wheat rocks. I have a hard time finding it, too. But then, retail alcohol sales in PA are all sorts of messed up.

Telonius
2007-08-31, 12:53 PM
Yes, cherry wheat rocks. I have a hard time finding it, too. But then, retail alcohol sales in PA are all sorts of messed up.

Ah, Pennsylvania, home of the drive-thru beer distributor! :smallbiggrin: I remember the first time I came down to Virginia, and nearly did a triple-take when I saw beer in the grocery store.

JellyPooga
2007-08-31, 01:01 PM
Although it may not have been JP's intent, the next (or first) person who disparages all American beer based on the macro brewed Budweiser & Clones is going to get a bottle of Ommegang (http://www.ommegang.com/) shoved quite brutally into one of their orifices. Perhaps a nostril.

I'm just sick of it. If you actually know anything about good beer, you should already know better.

No offence intended to you Azrael, but did anyone else burst out laughing when they followed this link and read the words (and I quote) "Belgian brewing in America"?

I've never tried it and I'm sure it might well be extra tasty (in fact, I'm kinda intrigued as to what an Americans take on European booze tastes like), but using that particular example for the "American Beers that are Nice" catagory maaay not have been the best choice, given that they openly admit to using someone elses (that's not in the US) style :smallsmile: :smallbiggrin: :smallwink:.

DraPrime
2007-08-31, 01:09 PM
As many have said, American beer:smallyuk: (except for Sam Adams) sucks. There is one exception. Go out anywhere in northern New England and you'll find small independent breweries. The best American beer can be found there, and it is goooooooooood.

Kitya
2007-08-31, 01:21 PM
Zombie... you forgot Rickards Red! That is a fabulous Canadian brew. I miss it so much. *sighs* How about this? You send me a case of Rickards, and I'll send you a case of Cherry Wheat? *grin*

I too have joined the Sam Adams drinking. I mostly like their ales tho... I like their Boston Lager, but I really have to be in the mood for a lager. I love all the ales however... and Cherry Wheat... love that stuff! Christian Moerlin (I think I spelled that right) used to make a wonderful honey beer, but alas, they stopped making it. The other popular Honey Brown is ok... but it's not as good.

Now, for a really ICK beer... try Pearl. As far as I know, it's only available in texas. When we're down visiting the inlaws, Hubby buys a case of it occasionally to "give" to his friend who just "LOOOOOOVVVVEEESSS to soooooo much!!" *insert much gagging and yacking here* The last time he bought some for his friend, he forgot bout it and gave it to him for Christmas after it had been sitting in our garage for ooohh... 8 months. Altho, the consensus was that it probably would taste better that way. I don't believe that case ever got opened. *chuckles*

LCR
2007-08-31, 01:27 PM
Great, actually anotherone who likes a Leffe. Do they still ship the beer in wooden crates? I only get my hands on some of this great brew if the parents of a friend of mine get some on their vacation trip to Britain...

Normally, I go with a Budweiser (Budvar, the czechian one...), a Kilkenny or, if looking for a dark beer, Guinness or a micro brew fresh from the keg.

For anyone in central europe who likes STRONG beer: Try an "Andechser Doppelbock" either the dark or the normal one. Actually, they ship this stuff by the keg worldwide. Sure, you will pay a lot for this stuff, but if you like some strong, tasty liquid bread, this is definitely yours...

Andechser is definitely one of the finest beers I've ever had.
Believe me, it's hard to admit for someone from Germany, but Bavaria makes the best beer.
I also enjoy Hefeweizen/Dunkles Weizen (Erdinger, Paulaner, Franziskaner), Pils (Lübzer, Jever and the occasional Holsten, because it's a local brand) and Kölsch (Gaffel or Früh).
Beers that are not German, but also great: Guinness, Kilkenny, Newcastle Brown Ale, Foster's (Well, I like it ...).
Beers that are from Germany and should be avoided: Becks, Warsteiner, Krombacher

Trog
2007-08-31, 01:36 PM
Sam Adams Cherry Wheat
Leinenkeugel's Honey Weiss
Warsteiner (esp. their Oktoberfest beer)
Killian's Irish Red
Corona (with Lime) though this is a crap shoot cause half the time it is skunky
Harp, frequently served under some...
Guiness. With that fun little widgety thingy in it.

On that note if you want a good Oktoberfest you NEED to come to La Crosse, WI. 4th longest parade in the US with much public drinking. The tapping of the golden keg, the good brats, etc. They close off a few streets downtown to make room for the thousands that cannot fit in either of the two Fest Grounds or the dozens of bars. Hell, we don't keep that world's largest 6-pack around for nothing you know. :smalltongue:

OverdrivePrime
2007-08-31, 01:44 PM
At first I was shocked to see someone who appreciates Leinie's, but then remembered that Trog hails from UNH (Up Nort', Hey?).

Leinie's has some pretty good stuff. I like their Big Butt Doppel Bock, and their Sunset Wheat. I haven't really been able to get into their Summer Shandy - too much lemonade, not enough beer, I think.

LCR
2007-08-31, 01:47 PM
Um, Warsteiner makes Oktoberfestbeer? I've never seen that in Germany.

But then they sell you "St.Pauli Girl" (or something like that) beer, featuring a girl in a traditional Bavarian dress, telling you to celebrate Oktoberfest with it.
First of all: St. Pauli is a borough of Hamburg, which is in Northern Germany and not in Bavaria. The world has yet to see an insult worse than taking someone from my part of the country for a Bavarian.
Second, Oktoberfest is celebrated in Munich, which is the capital of Bavaria. Again, Bavaria, not Hamburg.
The beer crate also said that it was brewed in Bremen, which is at least near Hamburg, but not quite.

Telonius
2007-08-31, 01:51 PM
I think it's just their standard dunkel, LCR. I've seen their "Oktoberfest" here, but never the dark version of the normal, so I assume it's the same thing. (Like I said before, the taste really does change in the transatlantic shipping, so I can't be sure that it really is the same stuff.)

adanedhel9
2007-08-31, 01:52 PM
I'm not real picky about my beers, but given the choice, I generally follow Azreal's advice on beer and television ads.

Particular favorites include Killian's Irish Red, Guiness, Fat Tire, Rolling Rock, and just about anything from Leinenkugels. I like a lot of Sam Adams, too, but they seem to have a harshness to them that can turn me off at times.


On that note if you want a good Oktoberfest you NEED to come to La Crosse, WI. 4th longest parade in the US with much public drinking. The tapping of the golden keg, the good brats, etc. They close off a few streets downtown to make room for the thousands that cannot fit in either of the two Fest Grounds or the dozens of bars. Hell, we don't keep that world's largest 6-pack around for nothing you know. :smalltongue:

Despite growing up in La Crosse, I've never actually attended Octoberfest (beyond the parade, and even then, most of the time I was in the parade, not watching). I attribute this to both my parents working in one of the local Emergency Rooms - our family certainly has a different take on that weekend.

Trog
2007-08-31, 01:58 PM
Um, Warsteiner makes Oktoberfestbeer? I've never seen that in Germany.
I believe so. I recall having it one oktoberfest at a local pub. Of course my memory might have been... hazy.

And yeah. Up Nort' here we put the Leinies in the bubblers. :smalltongue:

Wolf53226
2007-08-31, 02:02 PM
While I do enjoy a Killians Red over that of Leine's, I will more than happily substitute that Leine's for the Killian's if I have to, especially since in means they will most likely have the Honey Wheat, Berry Weiss, Pale Ale, or any of the other very good beers they produce. Problem with Honey Wheat and Berry Weiss is that they are too sweet to drink more than 1-3 depending on which one we are talking about.

Now a Guiness, that is some good eatin'

"Guiness, the beer that eats like a meal!"

Guiness is for when I want a beer, but I don't want to drink too much, because that stuff fills you up like no tomorrow.


As for a comment about beer brats, stay away from using Old Style and Schlitz as well....:smallyuk:

OverdrivePrime
2007-08-31, 02:13 PM
And yeah. Up Nort' here we put the Leinies in the bubblers. :smalltongue:
Dear Trog,
Please accept 37 awesome points for giving me an idea for the best kegerator ever for my basement.

With thanks,
-ODP

Seffbasilisk
2007-08-31, 02:25 PM
I've mostly kept the cheap piss folks get for college parties, and as such have learned to appreciate Coronas for being better then that swill.

I'd still say my top pick would be Coopers, had some at a beer-tasting on a cruise, and it was/is by far the best there.

InsaneOrb
2007-08-31, 02:27 PM
Best. Thread. Ever. :smallcool:

reorith
2007-08-31, 02:40 PM
how many of us are legally old enough to appreciate beer?

Azrael
2007-08-31, 02:49 PM
... but using that particular example for the "American Beers that are Nice" category maaay not have been the best choice, given that they openly admit to using someone elses (that's not in the US) style.

Where you see irony, I see delectable juxtaposition. Plus, there really is no "American" style beer, it's been around far too long and has had no major innovations or movements in the last 300 years.

Sure, you could claim that Bud is American style, but crappy lagers existed long before Bud did.

lapsang
2007-08-31, 02:50 PM
If you haven't heard, this is a very sad time for beer. Michael Jackson has died (no, not that Michael Jackson)
http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/whatsontap/archives/120913.asp?from=blog_last3
And ifyou don't know who he is you don't really love beer.

Telonius
2007-08-31, 02:50 PM
Everybody is. The real questions: can you get into the counries where there is no drinking age, and can you actually get good quality beers there?:smallbiggrin:

InsaneOrb
2007-08-31, 02:53 PM
Technically, you can drink beer with a meal from the age of 5 or so. From the age of 14 without a meal if someone else buys it for you.

In the UK, at least. (I recall)

Telonius
2007-08-31, 02:55 PM
If you haven't heard, this is a very sad time for beer. Michael Jackson has died (no, not that Michael Jackson)
http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/whatsontap/archives/120913.asp?from=blog_last3
And ifyou don't know who he is you don't really love beer.

What?!:smallfrown: Aww, man. I'll have one in his honor this evening.

lapsang
2007-08-31, 02:57 PM
I'm not real picky about my beers, but given the choice, I generally follow Azreal's advice on beer and television ads.

Particular favorites include Killian's Irish Red, Guiness, Fat Tire, Rolling Rock, and just about anything from Leinenkugels. I like a lot of Sam Adams, too, but they seem to have a harshness to them that can turn me off at times.



Despite growing up in La Crosse, I've never actually attended Octoberfest (beyond the parade, and even then, most of the time I was in the parade, not watching). I attribute this to both my parents working in one of the local Emergency Rooms - our family certainly has a different take on that weekend.

I've seen tv comercials for all of those except Fat Tire so if you followhis advice you aren't doing a very good job of it.:smallwink:

Edit: oops, I havent seen them for Leinenkugels either. But Guiness and RR are all over the tube and Killians I see here and there (but more often in print ads)

Azrael
2007-08-31, 03:00 PM
My rule does cause collateral damage (Guiness, Sam, others). But if it keeps just one person from drinking Rolling Rock, it was worth it.

lapsang
2007-08-31, 03:01 PM
My rule does cause collateral damage (Guiness, Sam, others). But if it keeps just one person from drinking Rolling Rock, it was worth it.

LOL. :smallbiggrin:

adanedhel9
2007-08-31, 04:21 PM
I've seen tv comercials for all of those except Fat Tire so if you followhis advice you aren't doing a very good job of it.:smallwink:

I've never seen a TV ad for Killians or Rolling Rock. I concede Guiness and Sam Adams, but they're the obvious exceptions to the rule.

lapsang
2007-08-31, 04:27 PM
I've never seen a TV ad for Killians or Rolling Rock. I concede Guiness and Sam Adams, but they're the obvious exceptions to the rule.

Rolling Rock had a comercial during the Superbowl this year. It was the "man thong" one. But not to many people watch the Superbowl so maybe you missed it :tongue:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfPz6XPZ6a0

And while I havent seen this one (for Killians) as recently I remember seeing it a number of times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9KOBi2suGQ

Guess I watch too much TV. :smallwink:

Hoggy
2007-08-31, 05:11 PM
how many of us are legally old enough to appreciate beer?

Legal schmegal. As long as they thinnk/don't care if you are. Which thankfully, is the case in many places around here. They need someone to keep them going through the winter and ensuing lack of tourists. :smalltongue:

Raiser Blade
2007-08-31, 05:22 PM
Beer tastes horrible in my opinion. I mean i thought that the only reason people drank it was to get drunk because i can't imagine drinking it for the tatse. I'd much rather have a coke.


I understand it's an aquired taste but for me [insert barfing smiley]

JellyPooga
2007-08-31, 06:08 PM
If you haven't heard, this is a very sad time for beer. Michael Jackson has died (no, not that Michael Jackson)
http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/whatsontap/archives/120913.asp?from=blog_last3
And ifyou don't know who he is you don't really love beer.

I am sad...I've always wanted a copy of his guide to beer (mostly so I could tick off the ones I've tried and to search out those I haven't), but have yet to be able to afford it...:smallfrown:

EmeraldRose
2007-09-02, 10:03 AM
My all time favorite beer is one called Legend Brown Ale from Legend Brewery (http://www.legendbrewing.com/) in Richmond, VA. Unfortunately, it is not a pasturized beer, so it has a VERY limited distribution, and I have been unable to get it since leaving the immediate area :smallfrown: Though it did make my college days in Richmod incredibly enjoyable, especially when going out to the brewery!! ((so, any of you playgrounders in that area, I definitely recommend it, if you haven't already tried it!!))

That said, I also enjoy Guinness, Murphey's, Samuel Smith's Nut Brown Ale and Imperial Stout, Newcastle Brown Ale, and various other microbrews along the same lines...

smellie_hippie
2007-09-02, 05:01 PM
Last night was an Ayingers (http://www.alcoholreviews.com/BEERS/ayingerbrau.gif) night... mmmmmmmm tastey.

In a couple of weeks, I get to go here (http://www.brewgrassfestival.com/).

It's gonna be a good beer weekend. :smallbiggrin:

nm_the_niceguy
2007-09-12, 05:12 AM
I have a friend who has that theory, that there are no bad beers. He says there are only good beers and better beers.

I think I have to agree with that. I am Canadian and I will happily drink anything put in front of me. Although I have a really hard time downing anything with "wytch" in the title.

If I buy beer in bulk (more than one at a time)for myself, I will usually buy moosehead or keiths, I really like moosehead, and anyone can drink keiths. If I am at a restaraunt, I will sometimes have Rickards Red, or usually whatever the house beer is. If you are ever in the Kingston ON area, try the Kingston Brewing Co. or simply "the brew pub" as it is called. They brew some fine beers, Dragon's Breath and White Tail are the popular ones. While you are at it, try their horn of plenty.

Kenbert
2007-09-12, 11:57 AM
I've never seen a TV ad for Killians or Rolling Rock. I concede Guiness and Sam Adams, but they're the obvious exceptions to the rule.

I really don't think Killians is spectacular. It's definitely good, but it's not my favorite. I do really like Guiness and Sam Adams (Boston Lager!!) ... and last weekend I tried Spaten, a german beer which was absolutely amazing. I'd definitely recommend it for someone who likes full flavored beer.

Aizle
2007-09-12, 02:13 PM
Ok.

First off damn all you Euros for forcing me to actually "defend" large scale American breweries :smallwink: , but I feel the need to remind folks of a few things.

So back in the early 1900's American beer was right on par with European beer. That is we had a huge variety of selections and flavors and it was what anyone would call good beer. Then this little thing called prohibition came in. And a bunch of really uptight bible thumpers got their knickers in a twist about the evils of alcohol and brought the liquor industry to it's knees for 13 years. (1920-1933 for those counting) During this time, all the smaller breweries (and several large ones) died off, being forced to close their doors. Those that did survive did so through several methods. One of the local breweries here in Minnesota survived by making Root Beer, although if prohibition would have gone on for another year or so, it too would have been forced to shut it's doors. The other larger breweries (i.e. Anheuser Busch, Miller, etc.) survived by making non-alcoholic beer. Literally filtering the ever loving crap out of the beer and removing all the alcohol. Over the 13 years of prohibition, many Americans actually developed a taste for these weaker drinks and when prohibition was lifted these larger companies who made this weak brew were the kings of the industry and were able to monopolize the market. They continued making this very heavily filtered and light lager due to it's popularity.

Fast forward to the 1990's and micro-brewing finally started to take off (don't ask me why it took some 60 years to figure out that Bud tastes like Clydesdale pee...) and companies finally start figuring out that there is a large number of people who actually like beer that has some substance and taste to it.

Finally we come to today, where there are hundreds of breweries all over the US producing everything from the ultra light lagers that the US has unfortunately become know for up to the darkest stouts and porters.

So while we still have the Pee-Lager monkey on our back, the fact is that American Beers can be just as tastey as any other countries. You just have to buy the right one.

As for myself, as I indicated in the other thread. The closer a beer is to the consistency of a well used motor oil the better as a general rule. I prefer stouts and porters, although a good dopplebock is something to savor as well. When it's hot out, I'll go with some lighter lagers or ales tho my "light" beer means I'll do something like a Bass, Harp or Newcastle.

Aizle
2007-09-12, 03:06 PM
My rule does cause collateral damage (Guiness, Sam, others). But if it keeps just one person from drinking Rolling Rock, it was worth it.

Eh, Rolling Rock is pretty drinkable. A little more bitter than I generally prefer, but it's not as bad as you make it out to be.

Shirocco
2007-09-13, 11:11 PM
Guiness. Acquired taste, and i've acquired it. As direct result most other beer tastes very thin to me - i've had folk tell me they need a knife and fork to drink guiness. I can still enjoy drys and some others but stouts are my favourites.

We have a local beer out my way. Duck Creek, they make a stout with an odd sort of almost chocolate taste... i don't like it much, others might.

I'll have to sample some of the brands listed here...

Hell Puppi
2007-09-13, 11:26 PM
Guiness...but only from a pub where they pour it correctly. Straight out of the bottle is kinda nasty =P.
For general beers you can pretty much get anywhere, I prefer killians. I do also enjoy sam adam's micro brews.
Tried so many beers it's hard to nail a favorite, but I'm a fan of reds/amber in general =P.

Zar Peter
2007-09-14, 01:13 AM
Normally I drink Ottakringer, a beer brewed in Vienna, but sometimes, when I'm lucky, a working mate get me some Czech beer.
Like Velkopopovicky Kozel or Budweiser (the beer brewed in Czeske Budjejovice = Budweis) or Starobrno. That's real good stuff although it has half the alcohol of Austrian beer.

Youngblood
2007-09-14, 01:21 AM
I don't really drink alcohol anymore, but mead > beer.

Last_resort_33
2007-09-14, 01:41 AM
Apologies if this has already been posted...


From evening to morning
And morning and evening
I wanna drink
Something stronger than a man
From evening to morning
And morning and evening
I wanna drink
'cause that's what I am
Beer, beer
I want beer
From beer I get really drunk
Beer, beer
I need more beer
So much I pass out
For beer I'm working
For beer I'm fighting

For beer I'll do
Whatever I have to
When drunk I'm talking
When drunk I'm joking
When drunk I can be as I've
Always wanted to be
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOKbhQbvpPA)

BlueWizard
2007-09-14, 02:03 AM
I like the sound of that band. I never heard of them before thanks.

Shadow
2007-09-14, 02:56 AM
I haven't really been much of a beer drinker in quite a few years, preferring vodka or gin instead, but when I get a hankering for a brew it's usually a Samuel Smith's Oatmeal Stout. (http://www.merchantduvin.com/pages/5_breweries/samsmith_oatmeal_stout.html)

Bor the Barbarian Monk
2007-09-14, 11:32 AM
You know, I can appreciate a person's desire to take in nature and and speak of its wonders. But an entire thread dedicated to deer? Really, people. They're herbavores. They're cute to look at. Etc. What more is there really left to be said, unless venison is added to the topic, which I...

What's that?

Ohhhh! Beer, not deer.

Ummm...my bad. :smallredface: Carry on.

black wagner
2007-09-14, 03:50 PM
I like beer, beer is good.
On the friday night game I usually play in, we tend to have a beer of the week selection from bevMo. A lot of belgium beers are big hits in out group.

EmeraldRose
2007-09-14, 08:47 PM
I haven't really been much of a beer drinker in quite a few years, preferring vodka or gin instead, but when I get a hankering for a brew it's usually a Samuel Smith's Oatmeal Stout. (http://www.merchantduvin.com/pages/5_breweries/samsmith_oatmeal_stout.html)

I prefer the Nut Brown actually. The Oatmeal Stout is a good one too though. :smallwink:

EDIT: @^^...*pokes*...getting old there Bor? :smalltongue:

paddyfool
2007-09-16, 07:03 AM
Ah, beer. I miss good beer - the best I can get locally is a Tusker Malt Lager or a Mutzig and those are from countries next door.

Particularly missed: Belgian beers (such as Chimay, Duvel, and the-one-you-have-to-leave-a-shoe-for); some local beers from where I used to live (Fuller's ESB and some of the Harvey's brews). The availability of variety.

Really bad beers: Pripps and Krebs - low-alcohol horrors from Sweden. Also, most big-brewery stuff.

Ceska
2007-09-16, 07:20 AM
Everybody is. The real questions: can you get into the counries where there is no drinking age, and can you actually get good quality beers there?:smallbiggrin:
In Austria, legal drinking age is 16 for 11% or less.

Normally I drink Ottakringer, a beer brewed in Vienna, but sometimes, when I'm lucky, a working mate get me some Czech beer.
Like Velkopopovicky Kozel or Budweiser (the beer brewed in Czeske Budjejovice = Budweis) or Starobrno. That's real good stuff although it has half the alcohol of Austrian beer.
Czech beer is good, as is Ottakringer. In Croatia I drink Karlovacko, but while it's okay there and is brewed in Puntigam, I prefer Murauer over Puntigam in Austria. Murauer is what I usually drink.

Mr Croup
2007-09-17, 08:50 AM
Ah, beer. I miss good beer - the best I can get locally is a Tusker Malt Lager or a Mutzig and those are from countries next door.

Wow, Tusker. I haven't had one since I was in Kenya five or six years ago, at which point I had far too many. Far, far too many.

Thes Hunter
2007-09-17, 12:41 PM
Beer! Beer! Beer! I'm Gonna drink some Beer! Beer! Beer! Beer! Lovely! Lovely BEER! (http://www.rathergood.com/beer/)


But that vid just shows how whack you Brits are.

LeinieLodge
2007-11-13, 12:46 AM
Hi Everyone~

We saw this thread and couldn’t help but let you know about the new Leinenkugel’s “What’s Your Mix?” website. I invite each of you to visit Leinie's (http://www.leinie.com/?sc_cid=socialmedia) and click on “What’s Your Mix?” to see how folks are mixing the Leinie’s family of beers. You can even show us your own mixing skills by submitting a mix. We’ve gotten some great ones so far.

To Life and Leinie’s!
Diane Schindler
Leinie Lodge Fulfillment Supervisor

CatCameBack
2007-11-13, 03:19 AM
The guys I hung around during the "Drinking Days" were fond of Screwdrivers and other "blunt force" drinking, so my beer comparisons are mostly from the few times that I or someone I know worked in a liquor store.

Anyone who decries Milwaukee's Beast, Sch(l)itz or Pabst Blew Ribbon have not tried any of the real Bargain Basement Brews:

Olympic
Red White and Blue

and the winner is....Black Label....:yuk:

Regularly sold one can at a time for around 30-49 cents each at the store, we once had to clear the cooler out to clean up the old stock. We were cleared to take any of the old beer home that we wanted to. I heard a rattle in one of the cans and said "Hey, some ice formed in here! It's been in a while!" I opened the can to pour it out on the sidewalk....the beer came out Pine Green....

As for good beer. Technically it's not beer, but Hefewiezen (wheat beer) is good. My beer drinking friend usually buys Southpaw as the cheap beer option.

Nerd-o-rama
2007-11-13, 04:25 AM
Normally, being from America, I can't stand beer and stick to imported hard liquor.

However, Shiner's Spoetzl brewery (a very local brewery for me) came out with a very nice "Bavarian"-style ale for their 97th anniversary, which I've been rather enjoying. It cost about the same as an import, though...

North
2007-11-13, 05:10 AM
I heart and love beer.

Right now my common choices are Stella Artois, Kokanee Newcastle and whatever else I get my hands on :)

Rare Pink Leech
2007-11-13, 09:07 AM
As for good beer. Technically it's not beer, but Hefewiezen (wheat beer) is good. My beer drinking friend usually buys Southpaw as the cheap beer option.

Of course that's a type of beer. In fact, it's the style I'm really into right now ... there's a local brewery in the Toronto area that's recently begun making one (Denison's Weissbeer) that's really nice, and I also like Unibroue's Blanche de Chambly, from Quebec. Dare I say it, but if I'm at a "regular" bar (one that only serves common/commercial beers), Rickard's White is even a decent wheat beer.

Greebo
2007-11-13, 09:30 AM
Adding my voice, I just have to say that this is a BEER thread. Coors & Bud have no business in it...

I'll give a nod to Killians, for not sucking completely horribly.

On an average day I'll have a Sam Adams. About the only brew of theirs I've found yet that I actively dislike is the summer ale with lemon in it. Sorry, Beer + Acid = Not Good.

I'm not a huge Guinness fan - not that I won't drink it but it's not my first choice.

I love a good Beck's Dark or St. Pauli Girl Dark.

Azrael
2007-11-13, 10:18 AM
Coors & Bud have no business in it... I love a good Beck's Dark or St. Pauli Girl Dark.Way to go from a 0 all the way up to a .5 out of 10.

And to whomever that was who said I was unfairly disparaging Rolling Rock: No. It's terrible.

Thes Hunter
2007-11-13, 10:55 AM
Anyone who decries Milwaukee's Beast, Sch(l)itz or Pabst Blew Ribbon have not tried any of the real Bargain Basement Brews:





Did you know Trog had never even heard of Milwaukee's Best? Leading us to believe that they are too ashamed to even try to sell it in Wisconsin. :smallbiggrin:



Ok, I am going to try not to jinx this, but tomorrow I am going in for a second interview at a place that makes most of the labels for the beers made in the US and Canada. *crosses fingers*

Greebo
2007-11-13, 11:09 AM
Way to go from a 0 all the way up to a .5 out of 10.


St. Pauli Girl and Beck's *regular*, I'd agree, but their dark beers are much better, IMO.

putting them at .5 out of ten seems rather harsh, in fact... ditto for Sam Adams...

Unless Coors and Bud fall in at like -20...

Azrael
2007-11-13, 11:22 AM
putting them at .5 out of ten seems rather harsh, in factHmm, perhaps. Maybe a 2 or a 3 for the regulars. I doubt the "dark" is really any better. But a +1 at most.


... ditto for Sam Adams...I never said anything about Sam. But hey, why not? 6-8, depending on variety.

(And since someone called me out on the locals earlier: Same with Harpoon and Dogfishhead. Shipyard may have the best pumpkin ale ever, but overall, probably 5-6.)

Chimay, Ommegang and Delerium? 10's


Unless Coors and Bud fall in at like -20...I was pretty clear that they're the 0 standard. But to be fair, they'd be a 1, with the aforementioned Terrible of The Terrible at 0.

Greebo
2007-11-13, 11:41 AM
Hmm, perhaps. Maybe a 2 or a 3 for the regulars. I doubt the "dark" is really any better. But a +1 at most.

I never said anything about Sam. But hey, why not? 6-8, depending on variety.

Give the Beck's dark a try sometime. I think it comes in somewhat better than St. Pauli dark.

RTGoodman
2007-11-13, 12:12 PM
Being only twenty, I've never had an alcoholic beverage, but I can definitely tell you one not to have.

At a party over the summer, someone brought in a case of something called "Steel Reserve" or something like that. I didn't have any, but you know it was terrible because, at a college party, the entire case (sans about two cans) was still there the next day.

Greebo
2007-11-13, 12:32 PM
Being only twenty, I've never had an alcoholic beverage, but I can definitely tell you one not to have.

At a party over the summer, someone brought in a case of something called "Steel Reserve" or something like that. I didn't have any, but you know it was terrible because, at a college party, the entire case (sans about two cans) was still there the next day.
THAT is a seriously good warning... :)

Kitya
2007-11-13, 12:40 PM
I have to agree with you on that one... hubby and I decided to see what all these "energy beers" were about, and if they were at all decent. (they're not by the way... they're terrible) Anyway, Steel Reserve, for some unknown reason, was in with the energy beers, so I got one by mistake. GAH! Bleah! We do NOT abuse alcohol in this house and we dumped it down the drain.

We came to the conclusion that if we wanted an "alcoholic energy" drink, we'd add a couple shots of Mango Rum to a can of Monster Kaos.

Greebo
2007-11-13, 01:07 PM
I have to agree with you on that one... hubby and I decided to see what all these "energy beers" were about, and if they were at all decent. (they're not by the way... they're terrible) Anyway, Steel Reserve, for some unknown reason, was in with the energy beers, so I got one by mistake. GAH! Bleah! We do NOT abuse alcohol in this house and we dumped it down the drain.

We came to the conclusion that if we wanted an "alcoholic energy" drink, we'd add a couple shots of Mango Rum to a can of Monster Kaos.

Irish Coffee = my energy drink. :)

Vampire包子
2007-11-13, 02:35 PM
As an American, I would like to join those who denounce our major labels. Seriously, piss in a can.


Some good American ones- Fat Tire, New Belgium brewery (a microbrewery) makes some quite good ones, especially pale ales.

One of my personal favorites is Strongbow Cider. Maybe too smooth for some, but I do like it.

I don't recommend the imported stuff, but I am a huge fan of 青岛啤酒,or Tsingtao Beer. It's a German style, and usually if it makes it to overseas store shelves it isn't so great, but if you can get it drafted, or straight from the brewery, you will taste heaven. For a light meal, to wash down food, rather than just drinking, Kirin makes some fairly decent beers, for the price. Combos very well with a surprising number of foods.

Anyone else fans of Strongbow/Tsingtao/Kirin?

Azrael
2007-11-13, 02:52 PM
One of my personal favorites is Strongbow Cider. It's good, but I prefer Bulmer's

Rare Pink Leech
2007-11-13, 03:45 PM
Being only twenty, I've never had an alcoholic beverage, but I can definitely tell you one not to have.

I must say I am sorry for you ... sometimes I forget how archaic American drinking laws are. I live in Ontario, where the drinking age is 19, and I thought we were pretty strict (that, plus the fact that other than wine, you can only buy beer at either the Beer Store or the LCBO, and other types of alcohol at the LCBO only). I'm also 20, and I've been drinking beer since I was 18 (at first half a glass occaisonally with my dad, plus also when I went to Quebec where the drinking age is 18).


Anyone else fans of Strongbow/Tsingtao/Kirin?

I like Strongbow, even though among most of the people I know it has a reputation of being a girly drink. I've been recommended other ciders, but I haven't tried them yet. I'm not a fan of Tsingtao - not enough flavour for my liking, although I will drink it at Chinese restaurants. It's decent enough to wash down my food. Haven't tried Kirin.

EmeraldRose
2007-11-13, 07:51 PM
Hi Everyone~

We saw this thread and couldn’t help but let you know about the new Leinenkugel’s “What’s Your Mix?” website. I invite each of you to visit Leinie's (http://www.leinie.com/?sc_cid=socialmedia) and click on “What’s Your Mix?” to see how folks are mixing the Leinie’s family of beers. You can even show us your own mixing skills by submitting a mix. We’ve gotten some great ones so far.

To Life and Leinie’s!
Diane Schindler
Leinie Lodge Fulfillment Supervisor

While I enjoy a good beer as much as the next...

Did anyone else notice the thread necromancy by an AD!! :smallannoyed:

Anyway, Guinness, Murphy's, Sam Smith's Nut Brown or Imperial Stout...those are my usual choices.

Jorkens
2007-11-13, 08:56 PM
I must say I am sorry for you ... sometimes I forget how archaic American drinking laws are. I live in Ontario, where the drinking age is 19, and I thought we were pretty strict (that, plus the fact that other than wine, you can only buy beer at either the Beer Store or the LCBO, and other types of alcohol at the LCBO only). I'm also 20, and I've been drinking beer since I was 18 (at first half a glass occaisonally with my dad, plus also when I went to Quebec where the drinking age is 18).
The drinking age here is 18 (except in the family circle or whatever), but I remember being 17 and avoiding certain pubs because they were "full of kids..."

Oh, and to me, Guiness relates to good beer as Green Day relate to punk - it's not the real thing (really, try some decent cask conditioned stout some time) but it seems to be a first step in the right direction for a lot of people...

thorgrim29
2007-11-13, 10:10 PM
I also like Unibroue's Blanche de Chambly, from Quebec.

Actually, I've found that most if not all of Unibrou's beers are very good, be it the pilsner (I mean, **** labatt, drink unibrou), or the stouter brews, the Blanche de chambly is also very good. I also like Grolsh, Rickards and Alexander Keiths. Tried newcastle brown, and decided it would be better with a meal. Unfortunately, I've yet to go to a beer testing place (anyone knows of one in the sherbrooke area pm me).

EllysW
2007-11-14, 08:35 AM
"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."
-- attributed to Benjamin Franklin

I like beer. I never drink to get drunk, but I really like my daily beer with dinner. Some time ago I decided that my days were pretty crummy, and if I was still standing at the end, I deserved a beer.

I'm kind of surprised at the love for Sam Adams, though. As mass marketed American beers go, it's probably the most drinkable, but I wouldn't say much more than that. I tend to buy Smithwick's, or Blue Moon on my husband's behalf. Also, living in New England, I've come to really appreciate Vermont's Magic Hat brewery. Don't know why a person would drink Sam when they could have Fat Angel.

There are all kinds of tastes, though.

Azrael
2007-11-14, 08:41 AM
Did anyone else notice the thread necromancy by an AD!! :smallannoyed: Yes. But it's about Beer. :smalltongue:


I must say I am sorry for you ... sometimes I forget how archaic American drinking laws are.Actually, the raise from 18 to 21 is rather too recent to be considered archaic - it only came to be 23 years ago.

The word you want is "restrictive".


Don't know why a person would drink Sam when they could have Fat Angel.Because you don't want a Pale Ale? Sam's brewmasters collection has a Pale Ale. It's good, for a Pale Ale. Magic Hat's Hefeweizen is good. But I haven't met a decent brewery's Hefeweizen that I haven't liked.

North
2007-11-14, 10:34 AM
Re: the Zero that Bud and Coors are at.

0.02 Coors/Bud
0.01 Goat Urine
0.00 Colt45 and Alberta Genuine Draft

And a 23 yr old drinking limit?! Thats savage!

Drinking Limit here is 18...Course its Alberta I started drinking at 14/15ish and a lot of people started much earlier then that.

Azrael
2007-11-14, 11:17 AM
And a 23 yr old drinking limit?!The legal drinking age is 21. This rule is only 23 years old, and thus cannot truly be considered archaic.

smellie_hippie
2007-11-14, 12:46 PM
So here's a question for the Beer Thread...

We'll be having another SouthWest Meet-up at some point in the future, and I might like to brew a batch of beer for the occasion....

An OOTS Beer if you will. Maybe Order of the Beer... anyway, what kind of beer should it be? Leave the Belkar mindset out of this please.

An Elan Pale Ale?
Haley Amber?
Dark Roy Stout?
What Would Thor Drink?

Any suggestions or perhaps even graphics for beer labels would be interesting as well...

EmeraldRose
2007-11-14, 05:09 PM
Hmm...I'd go with What Would Thor Drink....and it'd have to be a stout, or a possibly a very dark brown ale. (If I had my way...:smallwink: )

Also, I hereby request you send some up to the next Mid-West Meet. Which will be in Dec. (hint..) :smallbiggrin:

Vampire包子
2007-11-14, 05:21 PM
It's good, but I prefer Bulmer's

Isn't the company that makes Strongbow called Bulmer's? Eh, foolish me, I never saw the Bulmer's name on any taps :smallfrown: Ah, well, next time! Hope the stuff they export to the US isn't too bottom of the barrel!

Edit: Thanks for the recommendation on that one!

Also, what constitutes a girly beer? Low alcohol content, smooth taste? I'd heard the same thing, and assumed it was the low alcohol level (5.3%), and it is smooth enough to taste like it has even less. And then by the same standards, what would be considered a manly beer? I know some of the fruit- or other "flavored" beers get that label (which is too bad, there was an amazing Dutch beer I tried once that was fruit flavored), but why should a cider be slandered so?

ZombieRockStar
2007-11-14, 06:15 PM
So here's a question for the Beer Thread...

We'll be having another SouthWest Meet-up at some point in the future, and I might like to brew a batch of beer for the occasion....

An OOTS Beer if you will. Maybe Order of the Beer... anyway, what kind of beer should it be? Leave the Belkar mindset out of this please.

An Elan Pale Ale?
Haley Amber?
Dark Roy Stout?
What Would Thor Drink?

Any suggestions or perhaps even graphics for beer labels would be interesting as well...

Dude...the Beer of Annihilation (http://www.giantitp.com/Images/bcx/MagicItems010.gif), obviously!

The label would be right there if it weren't for respect for Rich's intellectual property.

I have no idea what Beer of Annihilation would be...dark stout?

smellie_hippie
2007-11-15, 09:48 AM
Dude...the Beer of Annihilation (http://www.giantitp.com/Images/bcx/MagicItems010.gif), obviously!

The label would be right there if it weren't for respect for Rich's intellectual property.

I have no idea what Beer of Annihilation would be...dark stout?

That would be great! I'm not so sure though.

I'm also thinking that I might only have enough time to brew two different batches... (only one bucket for fermenting...)

Seriously, what kind of flavors should I be checking into?

Honey wheat?
Amber?
Stout?

I'll be sure to post many pictures of the entire process... but please give me feedback people.

Maybe even a mod-nod to send a batch to Rich? :smallamused:

Azrael
2007-11-15, 12:54 PM
Isn't the company that makes Strongbow called Bulmer's?Sorry, Bulmers is sold as Magners 'round these parts.

Rare Pink Leech
2007-11-15, 03:13 PM
Actually, I've found that most if not all of Unibrou's beers are very good, be it the pilsner (I mean, **** labatt, drink unibrou), or the stouter brews, the Blanche de chambly is also very good. I also like Grolsh, Rickards and Alexander Keiths. Tried newcastle brown, and decided it would be better with a meal. Unfortunately, I've yet to go to a beer testing place (anyone knows of one in the sherbrooke area pm me).

I've not had a lot of Unibroue's beers, but I've liked all the ones I've tried. Isn't Unibroue supposed to be one of the best brewers in Canada?


Actually, the raise from 18 to 21 is rather too recent to be considered archaic - it only came to be 23 years ago.

The word you want is "restrictive".

I was using "archaic" in the sense that the that the thought-process behind such a law is archaic, not how old the actual law is. Another word I sometimes will use is "prudish". I've called Ontario's drinking laws both words at one time or another.



Also, what constitutes a girly beer? Low alcohol content, smooth taste? I'd heard the same thing, and assumed it was the low alcohol level (5.3%), and it is smooth enough to taste like it has even less. And then by the same standards, what would be considered a manly beer? I know some of the fruit- or other "flavored" beers get that label (which is too bad, there was an amazing Dutch beer I tried once that was fruit flavored), but why should a cider be slandered so?

I don't see why cider is considered a girly drink - I quite like it. But that's the popular opinion in Ontario, even though there is a movement to increase the popularity of ciders - this movement's biggest in England, if I'm not mistaken.

As to what constitues a girly beer, I'd think the fruity beers or light beers, for the most part. It's definitely not the smooth taste, since that's the whole schtick of the mass-marketed piss.

Smeik
2007-11-15, 03:55 PM
Hooray for Beer!

So, as I live in the land where most of the good beers come from, Germany, I have to confess that I'm a big beer lover myself. Since i turned 16.

In germany, my favourites are Pilsener (Kronen, Ritter and Beck's, especially), Alt (a darker beer, but not yet a stout(Frankenheim, Vormann and Uerige)) and Hefeweizen, all sorts of it. I once drank a Bohemian Schwarzbier and it tastes... delicious. I think it takes the first place in my ranking alongside with Guinness and Kilkenny, as the only foreign beer i drink on a regularly basis. I'm not yet convinced that America produces any good beer at all. (alright, Corona tastes good if teh day is hot and the Corona is cold, but apart from that?)

Oh, and I have to warn you about beer from The Netherlands. It is horrible. reall, don't even try it, it's worse than any Macrobrew from America.
Though perhaps I just haven't found the right for me.

Tormsskull
2007-11-15, 04:19 PM
I'll throw another vote behind Sam Adam's Cherry wheat. I discovered this liquid ambrosia only a few weeks back, and I've been loving it ever since.

Rykaj
2007-11-15, 04:46 PM
Oh, and I have to warn you about beer from The Netherlands. It is horrible. reall, don't even try it, it's worse than any Macrobrew from America.
Though perhaps I just haven't found the right for me.

I do think you haven't tried it all, because we do have some good beers. But you do have a point there. Since industrialized pilsener brewing started the Dutch brewers were one of the first to jump in on the market. That's how they established themselves worldwide as great brands. In fact we only drink one quarter of the beer we produce, the rest is export.

In times before industrialized brewing the Netherlands had a rich beer culture, comparable to that of Belgium. Then the great pilsener companies started growing to gigantic proportions and tried everything to push the other great corporations (there are 4 main export brewers) out of the market. That meant buying smaller breweries and dramatic cuts in prices. This soon meant the end of the great range of beers. And the public didn't complain because most just drank whatever was the cheapest anyway (yeah we're Dutch and stuff).

Anyway in recent times more and more microbreweries have started and the bigger breweries are incorporating recipes to copy older brews. Example of a great microbrewery: Het IJ Brouwerij in Amsterdam. And for example Heineken tried to find a taste comparable to Hoegaarden and thus they bought a small brewery in Limburg and started brewing Wieckse Witte on a large scale. If you ask me they did a pretty good job on it. Great beer on a warm day, just like Hoegaarden.

But you are right, we mostly have weak pilsener beer and not a lot of special flavors. But if pilsener's your thing it isn't a bad place to be.

Azrael
2007-11-15, 04:51 PM
(alright, Corona tastes good if teh day is hot and the Corona is cold, but apart from that?)
I seem to have found two very good reasons to doubt your judgment if you're discussing quality American beers and you admit to liking Corona.



(... 'cause it's nothing special. And Mexican, too.)

eidreff
2007-11-15, 05:21 PM
Just a quick suggestion. I recommend Hobgoblin a brew by the Wychwood Brewery (UK), a lovely dark almost portery beer.

Another plus, it looks as though one of the run down old buildings in my village my be getting turned into a micro-brewery! Yay and huzzah for local beer!

Rare Pink Leech
2007-11-15, 10:20 PM
I'm not yet convinced that America produces any good beer at all. (alright, Corona tastes good if teh day is hot and the Corona is cold, but apart from that?)

First off, I hate you. But only because you live in Germany, and I really really want to go to Germany to try the local beers (among other reasons).

Anyway, like Azrael said, Corona is Mexican, not American. Unless you used America as in "anywhere in North or South America". But I'm getting off-topic. If you ever take a trip to Canada or the States, definitely try some microbrews. There is definitely good beer brewed here, I just highly doubt that any of it makes it overseas.

Edmund
2007-11-16, 09:11 AM
Weihenstephaner Hefeweissbier is my personal favourite (I'll be visiting them in December! WOOO)

I also quite like a microbrewery up in Aberdeenshire called Brew Dog. Their Punk IPA is the best example of an IPA I've found in Scotland, and their Riptide Stout is very tasty.

Sam Smith's makes a number of kick-ass beers, including a yummy oatmeal stout and a tasty porter.

Bohemia lager is always good, as is Anchor Steam beer.

I'm also really fond of Dogfish Head, especially their 90 minute IPA.

Anyone with the know-how to make a Russian Imperial Stout makes a good one, though I'm partial to Stone.

Baltika makes a surprisingly good porter, given the swill-level of most of the rest of their stuff (though I'm kinda fond of their lager).

Bell's makes some amaaaazing stuff (Oberon, Two-hearted Ale, Batch #-000)

I had a good Zwickel beer over the summer but I can't remember who made it for the life of me. Some Germans.

Fruh Kolsch is the only Kolsch you need. (I don't need no umlauts)

Brewery Ommegang makes a number of tasty beers, but I particularly love Hennepin.


Glasgow beers: Kelburn makes some really tasty stuff, their Carte Blanche especially, and West Brewery, while they turned their Hefeweissbier into a kind of weird in-between Witbeer/Hefe, which makes it taste weird, their Dunkel lager is delicious and excellent for a hot day.


Corona is horrid. HORRID. I will take a glass of water and a punch in the gut before I take a bottle of Corona.

Grolsch is the worst thing to come out of the Netherlands, followed closely by Heineken. That being said, Heineken owns Affligem, so they can't be all bad.

Stella gives me this really unpleasant bitter TWANG at the end of every sip of it. Other than that it's just a generic fizzy lager.

I'll take Tennent's or Baltika if I'm going for cheap lager. Or Guinness, though that's clearly not a lager.



If you ever take a trip to Canada or the States, definitely try some microbrews. There is definitely good beer brewed here, I just highly doubt that any of it makes it overseas.


That is indeed the case. The best American (in the continental sense) beers I've seen over here are Anchor Steam and Bohemia and Goose Island. Most of the other stuff is Budweiser or Sam Adams or Corona.