Holy... Belkar's MoJ is FAKE!

[Ertier]

From the docks to the edge of Azure City is 3 miles. The castle is in the exact center of the city, containing the jail. The inn, is on the outskirts of town (Hinjo says it's far away). This means that, likely, the jail is more than greater than or equal too 1.5 miles from the inn. Since Roy is in the inn when Belkar is in jail, then that means that Belkar is more than 1 mile from roy's position triggering the MoJ if it existed. Also, MoJ (the spell effect) doesn't glow under detect magic.

[EvilJames]

Belkar didn't get the mark until after he go out of jail.

[Ertier]

Five Words... Prior to Battle of Azure City.

[SPoD]

The castle is in the exact center of the city, containing the jail.

Except that it isn't. The castle is right behind the outer wall, by only a few hundred feet. Haley hit the door of the castle several times with her longbow while standing on the wall, and the maximum range of a composite longbow is 1100 feet.

And we have absolutely no data on where in the city the inn is, anyway. It could be down the block from the castle.

[EvilJames]

Five Words... Prior to Battle of Azure City.

Two words ... Um So?
What I was talking about also took place prior to the battle of AC
If you mean prior to the battle but after the killing of Shojo, then ok, but there is no indication that he was more than a mile from Belkar at any time during that period.

[Regneva]

First of all, you have to give us references to the strips you're talking about. Most of the things you talk about, I don't remember them the way you do.

The inn IS NOT on the outskirts. Since MECHANE has to cross over the walls in "Death From Above (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0392.html), the inn MUST BE within the city walls. This puts the distance from inn to keep to a maximum of 3 miles.

Every time Roy went to see Shojo, Belkar was with him. Other than that I don't remember seeing Roy away from the group.

[Moriato]

Wasn't Belkar jailed in the anti-magic cells? The mark wouldn't work inside of them.

[geekyhedgehog]

no he wasn't, because then his ring of jumping (#261) and the illusion of him (#something) wouldn't work.

[Corsair]

Yes, but the only time he was both in prison and has the Mark of Justice on him, he was in the Anti-Magic Cells.

[Jade_Tarem]

Except that it isn't. The castle is right behind the outer wall, by only a few hundred feet. Haley hit the door of the castle several times with her longbow while standing on the wall, and the maximum range of a composite longbow is 1100 feet.

And we have absolutely no data on where in the city the inn is, anyway. It could be down the block from the castle.

This is correct, also keep in mind that Azure city isn't a circle or square, it's two concentric arcs (outer one is the coast, the inner one is the wall) connected on the end by hyperbolic lines (the mountain bases). It's essentially an expanded version of Helm's Deep from the Two Towers (movie). The inn, even if it's on the edge of town, could be near the docks or even near the city gate (which is more likely, as that's where Sabine ran into the returning OOTS, plus it makes sense to put an inn near the city gate anyway), which would put it fairly close to the castle.

It gets better.

Belkar didn't recieve the mark of justice until some indeterminate point where Roy picked him up. This is also where Belkar picked up his paladin disguise. As all of it happened off-panel, there's a good chance that Belkar didn't have the MoJ on until Roy was 5 feet away from him, and hasn't gone outside a mile from him since.

Edit: And after Miko killed Shojo, Belkar was in the Anti-Magic cells, as has already been noted.

[Moriato]

Exactly, he didn't have the mark yet when he was jailed in the... cellar trap door cell thing. So I assume Ertier is talking about the second jailing. Unless he's not, in which case... well that's the answer :smallwink:

[The Kool]

Also, MoJ (the spell effect) doesn't glow under detect magic.

I'm assuming that part of it works like Arcane Mark, which does. Unless MoJ is a spell, and says it doesn't?

[Lorn]

There's one fundamental flaw you've missed here; this mark was applied as part of the justice system.

He'd have to remain within a mile of someone and they would know this. However, seeing as Paladins tend to be LG, then they'd be causing harm to him for no reason if they were to go outside of a mile of his position - in the jail.

I'm guessing there's an exception made if he's in the jail there, probably written into the spell on some level or something. And seeing as the illusion Belkar in the cells was made by the AC wizards, there's every chance that it's using something to bypass this or that the spell keeping the cells antimagic is, in fact, more like a password protected computer - the AC wizards know the "password," so they can get through it, other wizards do not, so they cannot.

Of course, that's purely hypothetical, but it'd make sense.

[The Kool]

As to the anti-magic cells, probably just a section of the jail with an anti-magic field over it.

[Jawajoey]

Why bring up the inn? There's no time where Roy is at the inn, and Belkar isn't with him, after belkar gets the mark.

Belkar gets his mark sometime between this (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0293.html) comic and the previous one. It's abundantly clear that a lot of negotiation happened in that time, including the terms of Belkar's MOJ. Please indicate where, after that, Roy was in the inn and Belkar was somewhere far away.

There's a point here (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0418.html) where Roy is standing on the docks and Belkar is in jail. And he's in an anti-magic cell. So what.

[Darth Mario]

Five Words... Prior to Battle of Azure City.

Mmmm... Either i'm going nuts, or that's six words....