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Emperor Demonking
2007-12-29, 06:23 AM
1) When a creature dies it becomes an object, so thier are no dead creatures, which means that raise dead doesn't work?

2) If I make an attack (say a body slam) against the material plane and miss what happens?

Nebo_
2007-12-29, 06:39 AM
1)It works, because there is such a thing as common sense.

2)Common sense bites your face off.

Kurald Galain
2007-12-29, 07:00 AM
(1) they are both an object and a dead creature.

(2) you touch the plane but fail to injure it, kind of like when you attack a high-armor low-dex fighter and miss by having your sword bounce off his armor.

Fenix_of_Doom
2007-12-29, 01:24 PM
2) If I make an attack (say a body slam) against the material plane and miss what happens?

You start flying, Duh.

FinalJustice
2007-12-29, 02:22 PM
People seem to ignore the obvious. Missing the floor is the most well known way for a man to fly. See the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy for further reference on this awesome technique.

Collin152
2007-12-29, 03:02 PM
Armor Class does not work that way!
If you missed on a touch attack, we will talk.

Arbitrarity
2007-12-29, 03:19 PM
No, you just have to miss the ground's touch AC. Because missing on a touch attack is possible, if we recall that A not touching B doesn't mean B is not touching A (*coughgrapplecough*).

FlyMolo
2007-12-29, 04:29 PM
What is the AC for the material plane anyway? Something like -infinity for size and dex, and +infinity for natural armor. so a touch attack automatically suceeds. Unless you roll a natural one.

daggaz
2007-12-29, 05:47 PM
No offense, but that is just so silly, it borders on stupidity.
How do you attack a plane of existance? Its not a monster or an entity, it is the fabric of reality. Even more silly is the fact that you are PART of the material plane, created of the same fabric.

Zenos
2007-12-29, 05:49 PM
No offense, but that is just so silly, it borders on stupidity.
How do you attack a plane of existance? Its not a monster or an entity, it is the fabric of reality. Even more silly is the fact that you are PART of the material plane, created of the same fabric.

You can attack yourself, can you not?

Hurlbut
2007-12-29, 05:57 PM
You can attack yourself, can you not?
Well you can.

daggaz
2007-12-29, 05:58 PM
Yeah.. but you arent a plane of existance, either.

Sure, I know you can attack the ground, or a tree, or a monster... but that is just a piece of the plane, a projection if you will. Attacking 'the plane of existance' as an entirety? You would need some massively epic spell that undoes the fabric of reality, it wouldnt be done with a sword. It couldn't ever be done with a plain physical attack.

Zenos
2007-12-29, 05:59 PM
Well, suppose you attack the planet then? With a body slam. And rolls a natural one.

daggaz
2007-12-29, 06:08 PM
So you attacked the ground you are standing on.. (i would seriously hesitate ever calling that an attack on the entire planet itself) and you roll a one. Congrats, you missed! Whats the point of this discussion, theres nothing in RAW that states anything else. You just miss. A good analogy is trying to scoop a dig out of the green with a golfclub on purpose, and missing, just clipping the grass instead. No big surprise there.

And if you did a body slam against the ground? I would just say that you fall on your face and hurt yourself, doing no damage to the ground but taking nonlethal yourself. Rule 0, the common sense rule, is one of the FIRST rules in the book, and it is RAW.

Kurald Galain
2007-12-29, 06:18 PM
Rule 0, the common sense rule, is one of the FIRST rules in the book, and it is RAW.

Yep. Says so on page zero of the PHB. Oh, wait a minute...

Anyway, I do believe you'd first have to make a Knowledge: The Planes check in order to realize what a plane of existence is, and arguably you'd have to make a Spot check too to actually find it, which can be tricky because lots of matter is getting in the way.

daggaz
2007-12-29, 06:21 PM
Yep. Says so on page zero of the PHB. Oh, wait a minute...

Anyway, I do believe you'd first have to make a Knowledge: The Planes check in order to realize what a plane of existence is, and arguably you'd have to make a Spot check too to actually find it, which can be tricky because lots of matter is getting in the way.

Um.. it is in the DMG, right in the beginning.

As for spot.. you cant see the plane as an entirety, you only see the way it expresses itself in reality, which is you and everything around you. Your physical body, at least. Know planes would help you to understand this relationship in this case.

Kurald Galain
2007-12-29, 06:29 PM
As for spot.. you cant see the plane as an entirety, you only see the way it expresses itself in reality,

Well, that's a problem, then. If you can't see it in its entirety, it obviously has cover against you.

daggaz
2007-12-29, 06:32 PM
Laugh, yeah. It has total cover unless you have divine ranks or some massively epic spell.

Serpentine
2007-12-30, 12:09 AM
What is the AC for the material plane anyway? Something like -infinity for size and dex, and +infinity for natural armor. so a touch attack automatically suceeds. Unless you roll a natural one.I think it'd have pretty massive damage reduction, too - stabbing your sword into dirt isn't really going to hurt anything, just shove grains of soil out of the way.

Cuddly
2007-12-30, 12:41 AM
How much HP does a planet have?

13_CBS
2007-12-30, 12:49 AM
How much HP does a planet have?

You could take a look at a Genius Loci for reference:

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/monsters/geniusLoci.htm

Citizen Joe
2007-12-30, 02:26 AM
2. You roll for scatter to see where you end up. The material plane then gets to use an attack of opportunity against you (usually hitting because of its extremely high HD and thus BAB bonus.)

Gralamin
2007-12-30, 03:23 AM
How much HP does a planet have?

According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_Layers), specifically this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Slice_earth.svg), The Earth has 5 layers that matter: The Crust, The Upper Mantle, the Mantle, the Outer Core and the Inner core.

The Inner Core's Radius is ~1216 km [mostly Iron]
The Outer Core's Radius is ~2270 km [mostly liquid Iron, call it Iron for Arguements sake]
- Core Radius ~3486 km [Iron]
The Mantle has a radius of ~2885 km [Mostly Iron and Rock]
The Crust has a Radius of ~30-65 km (Call it 42 km) [Mostly Iron Rocks]

Now using the rules here (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/exploration.htm) we find that Iron [which I'm using as a basis for the Core] gives 30 hp/inch thick, or about 1 181 102.36 hp/km thick.
I'll use a value of 25 hp/inch for the mantle, or about 984 251.969 hp/km.
And I'll use a value of 20 hp/inch for the Crust, or about 787 401.575 hp/km

1 181 102.36 hp/km * 3486 km + 984 251.969 hp/km * 2885 km + 787 401.575 hp/km * 42 km
= ~6.98996062 109
Thus Earths Radius has about ~7 billion hp

A Sphere has a volume of (4/3)(pi)r3
Subbing in the above value gives us a total of ~1.43058213 1030
Thus the entire mass of Earth has about ~1.4 nonillion hp

Please check my work for any mistakes.

Magnor Criol
2007-12-30, 03:28 AM
[snip math math snip]

You put entirely too much work and thought into this question, milord Gralamin. =p

Cuddly
2007-12-30, 06:36 AM
According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_Layers), specifically this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Slice_earth.svg), The Earth has 5 layers that matter: The Crust, The Upper Mantle, the Mantle, the Outer Core and the Inner core.

The Inner Core's Radius is ~1216 km [mostly Iron]
The Outer Core's Radius is ~2270 km [mostly liquid Iron, call it Iron for Arguements sake]
- Core Radius ~3486 km [Iron]
The Mantle has a radius of ~2885 km [Mostly Iron and Rock]
The Crust has a Radius of ~30-65 km (Call it 42 km) [Mostly Iron Rocks]

Now using the rules here (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/exploration.htm) we find that Iron [which I'm using as a basis for the Core] gives 30 hp/inch thick, or about 1 181 102.36 hp/km thick.
I'll use a value of 25 hp/inch for the mantle, or about 984 251.969 hp/km.
And I'll use a value of 20 hp/inch for the Crust, or about 787 401.575 hp/km

1 181 102.36 hp/km * 3486 km + 984 251.969 hp/km * 2885 km + 787 401.575 hp/km * 42 km
= ~6.98996062 109
Thus Earths Radius has about ~7 billion hp

A Sphere has a volume of (4/3)(pi)r3
Subbing in the above value gives us a total of ~1.43058213 1030
Thus the entire mass of Earth has about ~1.4 nonillion hp

Please check my work for any mistakes.

Wow, excellent.

Now, for the build that does a nonillion damage....

Talic
2007-12-30, 06:41 AM
Wow, excellent.

Now, for the build that does a nonillion damage....

The WotC boards got a hulking hurler up to something like 1.5 trillion damage.

That said, we're not going on a sphere, we're going on a line. This isn't cubic volume, it's D&D (non)physics. We don't calculate the volume of a sword for its hp, we calculate thickness at the thinnest point. Do the same for the earth. Calculate based on the diameter from Sea level to Sea level.

Thus, based on your estimates for radius, it'd be ~14 billion HP.

Emperor Demonking
2007-12-30, 06:43 AM
Wow.

Couldn't an elan destroy the planet?

Talic
2007-12-30, 06:48 AM
Wow.

Couldn't an elan destroy the planet?

As long as you can score 14 billion or so damage, while bypassing hardness, yes. Without bypassing hardness, add 10, I think.

Emperor Demonking
2007-12-30, 06:50 AM
So how much hardness does it have?

Talic
2007-12-30, 07:12 AM
So how much hardness does it have?

Per Iron. I think 10. Maybe 12.

Emperor Demonking
2007-12-30, 07:17 AM
I do 13 damage, then 13 damage then 13 damage and so on.

Talic
2007-12-30, 07:20 AM
I do 13 damage, then 13 damage then 13 damage and so on.

And 2663.65 years later, you will succeed.

Smeik
2007-12-30, 02:07 PM
Now's the question... Does a Planet or a plane of existence regenerate?

Holocron Coder
2007-12-30, 04:02 PM
Eh, nice block of calculations and formulae, but I saw one major problem:

The crust and mantle are NOT primarily iron. Far from it.

Mantle - Oxygen, Silicon, Magnesium
Crust - Oxygen, Silicon, Aluminum

Patashu
2007-12-30, 04:34 PM
Now's the question... Does a Planet or a plane of existence regenerate?

Sure, it's called 'accretion'.

Cuddly
2007-12-31, 10:38 PM
Whoa, you only have to do enough damage to break the crust, then you've got a volcano. Sweeeet.