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FoeHammer
2008-06-01, 06:44 PM
I looked around, but didn't find a thread for this so I decided to post one. If you have no clue what I'm talking about go here (http://www.starwars.com/video/view/000478.html)

Thoughts, opinions?

NinjaHippy
2008-06-01, 06:49 PM
Ugh. Anything George Lucas has put out since Return of the Jedi has been horrifying (okay, granted, I haven't seen the new Indiana Jones movie yet. But I am not hopeful).

Obrysii
2008-06-01, 06:51 PM
I still retain hope for the live action series.

Rayzin
2008-06-01, 07:10 PM
I don't know it looks ok, maybe a bit to cartoonish.
Looking at this video (http://www.starwars.com/video/view/000639.html), I think its pretty good.

CharlieSmiles
2008-06-01, 07:39 PM
Why must everyone decide they hate his movies before they see them. After The Phantom Menace, people go into his movies expecting to hate them, and after they see it for the sixth time they tell themselves they are right. Apparently the only good thing he has ever made was the Empire Strikes Back. Not the one he rereleased with added special effects, but just the theatrical release from 1980.

Walrus
2008-06-01, 08:42 PM
I watched the trailer that Rayzin linked and I thought that it looked pretty cool. It looks kind of like the art style of the Clone Wars cartoons was adapted into 3D.

Honestly, even if it turns out to be terrible I'll probably end up watching it anyway.

Mr. Scaly
2008-06-01, 09:58 PM
I loved the prequels as much as the original trilogy. And I intend to give this new series a fair chance.

CarpeGuitarrem
2008-06-01, 10:01 PM
It does look interesting, I'll have to see how it goes. It also does look rather cartoony...eh, I don't like seeing Star Wars really cartoony...

EvilRoeSlade
2008-06-01, 10:04 PM
Ugh. Anything George Lucas has put out since Return of the Jedi has been horrifying (okay, granted, I haven't seen the new Indiana Jones movie yet. But I am not hopeful).

Saw Indiana Jones today. Lucas wrote the story but didn't direct it or write the script (unlike in the three new Star Wars in which he did both). It's an excellent movie.

Talkkno
2008-06-01, 10:08 PM
I loved the prequels as much as the original trilogy. And I intend to give this new series a fair chance.
I second this motion.

Revlid
2008-06-02, 02:07 AM
Saw Indiana Jones today. Lucas wrote the story but didn't direct it or write the script (unlike in the three new Star Wars in which he did both). It's an excellent movie.

'Wrote the story' is a gross overstatement, something for which I am very thankful.
Although I'm pretty sure I can spot a few points where his parts have stayed in, e.g. the CG alien at the end.

Rappy
2008-06-02, 06:02 AM
I'm a fan of 3D...not so much the odd character designs, but I can live with it. So, we get the Hutt Cartel in on this business, eh? I doubt they will, but it would be nice to see a look at Boorka the Hutt's business during the Second Battle of Tatooine, as well as what the t'landa Til and Ylesia were like during the Clone Wars. Then again, it is doubtful Lucas would re-adopt the "red-headed stepchild canon" pieces for a cartoon, but I can have hope, right?

EvilDMMk3
2008-06-02, 06:12 AM
Um, am I confused or wasn't there already a (quite good) animated series?

I know there was because in it Gervous was a real villain, not a crippled moron.

Verruckt
2008-06-02, 06:26 AM
Um, am I confused or wasn't there already a (quite good) animated series?

I know there was because in it Gervous was a real villain, not a crippled moron.

Seconded, also, who at Lucas Arts decided that the galaxy needed more species that evolved droopy head tentacles for no readily apparent reason?

Tom_Violence
2008-06-02, 06:44 AM
Seems the Clone Wars cartoon was a big enough hit for Lucas to revamp it and turn it into a full-flegded cinematic release. For what its worth, so far I think it looks pretty decent, and usually I'm very sceptical about these things. Oh, and once again the new Indy sucked. :smalltongue:

Rappy
2008-06-02, 08:07 AM
Um, am I confused or wasn't there already a (quite good) animated series?

I know there was because in it Gervous was a real villain, not a crippled moron.

You aren't confused. There was a Clone Wars series that introduced planets such as Hypori to the screen, had the epicness leading up to Episode III, and the explanation for why Grievous was a hacking chest-dented idiot in the movie rather than a competent melee fighter.

This is YACWS (Yet Another Clone Wars Saga). The Clone Wars saga is a long period, and they've fit all the canon into a coherent line SO FAR. This doesn't, however, mean they won't eventually bog the period down into a case of "This goes here, replacing this, oh and this too".

EvilDMMk3
2008-06-02, 08:16 AM
You aren't confused. There was a Clone Wars series that introduced planets such as Hypori to the screen, had the epicness leading up to Episode III, and the explanation for why Grievous was a hacking chest-dented idiot in the movie rather than a competent melee fighter.

You see I really like this Grievous, deadly when he has fear and surprise, gets cocky and pwned by the man withe the mauve lightsaber.

SmartAlec
2008-06-02, 08:50 AM
Grievous wasn't all that different in the movie. Dooku made it very clear to him that he needed surprise, fear and intimidation on his side when fighting Jedi; he needed to confront them when they were already half-beaten, too. He fought Ayla Secura, Ki-adi Mundi and Shaak Ti (twice!) when they were physically exhausted and frightened, but when he faces Mace Windu (who, it seemed, was just getting warmed up), he gets maimed for his trouble. He keeps trying to get the psychological upper hand against Obi-Wan, but Obi starts with it and doesn't lose it.

I'm intrigued about this animated series jazz. I had a feeling that someone might try to complete a third trilogy using animation; I have a feeling that if Clone Wars is a success, that might happen.

GoC
2008-06-02, 10:27 AM
Grievous wasn't all that different in the movie. Dooku made it very clear to him that he needed surprise, fear and intimidation on his side when fighting Jedi; he needed to confront them when they were already half-beaten, too. He fought Ayla Secura, Ki-adi Mundi and Shaak Ti (twice!) when they were physically exhausted and frightened, but when he faces Mace Windu (who, it seemed, was just getting warmed up), he gets maimed for his trouble.

Noone can defeat Clone Wars Mace Windu, Grievous never stood a chance.

Azerian Kelimon
2008-06-02, 11:11 AM
Noone can defeat Clone Wars Mace Windu, Grievous never stood a chance.

Dunno. Dooku's style was specifically made to counter Mace's, so I think he'd have a good shot.

Then again, Mace is infinetely cool.

SmartAlec
2008-06-02, 01:14 PM
Dunno. Dooku's style was specifically made to counter Mace's, so I think he'd have a good shot.

Not sure about that - it's Dooku's style which is considered a little archaic, whereas Mace's style is relatively new. However, it's mentioned in more than a few places in the novels and the RPG books that Count Dooku and Yoda were the only two swordsmen in the Jedi order who have managed to defeat Mace in a duel.

Clone Wars Windu, on the other hand, would hand them their asses on a platter.

sikyon
2008-06-02, 01:41 PM
I liked the prequels better than the originals. There, I said it. The effects are better, it's eaisier on the eyes, flows better and ect. Acting and whatnot I don't really care, it's not shakespear.

Paragon Badger
2008-06-02, 05:10 PM
Why must everyone decide they hate his movies before they see them. After The Phantom Menace, people go into his movies expecting to hate them, and after they see it for the sixth time they tell themselves they are right. Apparently the only good thing he has ever made was the Empire Strikes Back. Not the one he rereleased with added special effects, but just the theatrical release from 1980.

George Lucas didn't even make The Empire Strikes Back! :smallamused:

It was Kerschner, dammit.

DraPrime
2008-06-02, 06:13 PM
The voice acting seems kind of "meh". And the music doesn't really flow with what's going on.

Infinity_Biscuit
2008-06-02, 07:42 PM
When I saw the trailer for this before Speed Racer, I burst out laughing at the "save Jabba the Hutt's son, we must" or whatever that line was. I'm not saying it's going to be bad, but I get the feeling I'm going to be taking this less seriously than I did the Gungans.

And I liked Grievous in the movies. Cyborg Snidely Whiplash, now with more arms! What's not to love?

Obrysii
2008-06-03, 06:30 AM
Yeah, that plotline makes no sense.

The Jedi, guardians of peace and justice, are supposed to save one of the most vile crimelord's (with tons of resources of his own) son? I mean, they're trying to save a kid who will grow up to be like his parent: he'll ruin many people's lives, and all that.


But Hutts are awesome.




Clone Wars Windu, on the other hand, would hand them their asses on a platter.

Don't know about that. Yoda was throwing those huge Trade Federation ships around with the Force ...

CrazedGoblin
2008-06-03, 07:03 AM
i think its quite cool, just take it out of context its an action film of starwars, not a narative, sweeeeet

PlatinumJester
2008-06-03, 07:40 AM
I think it looks pretty funky to me.

Rappy
2008-06-03, 09:44 AM
I just realized that the whole Rotta Desilijic Tiure business has hit at least one canonicity snag. In his last will and testament, Jabba claimed to have no offspring.

The Hutt deal plot makes sense somewhat, at least in the context of what has been revealed so far. It more or less appears to be "You give me my offspring, I don't have Cartel ships blast you out of space while in their shipping lanes". Even the Jedi have to bow down a bit during the pressure of war.

Obrysii
2008-06-03, 09:47 AM
I just realized that the whole Rotta Desilijic Tiure business has hit at least one canonicity snag. In his last will and testament, Jabba claimed to have no offspring.

The Hutt deal plot makes sense somewhat, at least in the context of what has been revealed so far. It more or less appears to be "You give me my offspring, I don't have Cartel ships blast you out of space while in their shipping lanes". Even the Jedi have to bow down a bit during the pressure of war.

Well, either his son died between the Clone Wars and RotJ, or they had a falling out. What if Rotta was Force-Sensitive and went off to train with the Jedi? We'll have to find out. Hutt Jedi = rare but sweet.

And your idea as to the plot does make sense, too.

Closet_Skeleton
2008-06-03, 11:38 AM
George Lucas didn't even make The Empire Strikes Back! :smallamused:

It was Kerschner, dammit.

George Lucas did make Empire Strikes back even though he didn't direct it.

Don't make me quote essays on auteur theory.

Black_Pants_Guy
2008-06-04, 12:29 AM
I'm a fan of 3D...not so much the odd character designs, but I can live with it. So, we get the Hutt Cartel in on this business, eh? I doubt they will, but it would be nice to see a look at Boorka the Hutt's business during the Second Battle of Tatooine, as well as what the t'landa Til and Ylesia were like during the Clone Wars. Then again, it is doubtful Lucas would re-adopt the "red-headed stepchild canon" pieces for a cartoon, but I can have hope, right?

I accidently read that as 'step-Headed Redchild' because I was just watching Homestar Runner cartoons.

if I can find an actual scene clip then I might buy the Clone wars...


George Lucas did make Empire Strikes back even though he didn't direct it.

Don't make me quote essays on auteur theory.
Ahem...

Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back is a 1980 space opera film directed by Irvin Kershner. The screenplay, based on a story by George Lucas, was written by Lawrence Kasdan and Leigh Brackett.

No "Wikipedia is an unreliable source" crap please, because it is in the Star Wars documentary I rented a week ago too.

turkishproverb
2008-06-04, 12:38 AM
I accidently read that as 'step-Headed Redchild' because I was just watching Homestar Runner cartoons.

if I can find an actual Gameplay video then I might buy the Clone wars...


Ahem...


No "Wikipedia is an unreliable source" crap please, because it is in the Star Wars documentary I rented a week ago too.

So, 4 positions (1 of which was lucas) make up a movie? Your saying story by is the ONLY credit Lucas received?

Black_Pants_Guy
2008-06-04, 12:50 AM
So, 4 positions (1 of which was lucas) make up a movie? Your saying story by is the ONLY credit Lucas received?

Yes. filler text

I've just decided that I'm not going to watch it because apparently Anakin has an apprentice, this is stupid because nobody would have the time to teach whilst in the middle of a war. :mad:

turkishproverb
2008-06-04, 12:55 AM
Yes. filler text

I've just decided that I'm not going to watch it because apparently Anakin has an apprentice, this is stupid because nobody would have the time to teach whilst in the middle of a war. :mad:

1. Then you need to look into how normal movies are made. Alternativelly, if you mean the credit, I can tell you without checking that he was also credited with executive producer.

2. Erm....actually, The EU shows jedi do stupid stuff like that alot. Sending Padawans into huge danger.

Rappy
2008-06-04, 02:33 AM
2. Erm....actually, The EU shows jedi do stupid stuff like that alot.

Leia birthing Jacen Solo is evidence of this. :smalltongue:

Seriously, though, it is about like having a draft where the Padawans are the cadets and their masters the commanders. While it may be a warzone, every able-bodied Jedi counts, even if they are a bit wet behind the ears. When you have an enemy that can more or less fire out new troops like an aphid on NUMEROUS planets while you can on only a much smaller scale, you have to be prepared for the worst. Then again, if Mace Windu vs. the piledriver droid in the Clone Wars cartoon is any indication, he could win the war on his own. He's Star War's Chuck Norris.

SmartAlec
2008-06-04, 07:04 AM
Yes. filler text

I've just decided that I'm not going to watch it because apparently Anakin has an apprentice, this is stupid because nobody would have the time to teach whilst in the middle of a war. :mad:

New Padawans were still being trained at the Temple; each of those needed a Master to complete their education. The length of the Clone Wars was not guaranteed; it was ten years but it could have been thirty or fifty, and had the Jedi Order put their knighthoods on hold, they might well have run out of knights.

Jayngfet
2008-06-08, 04:05 PM
I heard about this a while back, I love it, especially that troopers can hit something now.

Griemont
2008-06-08, 04:54 PM
I love how you see a nervously entrenched squad of clone troopers, and one screams "HERE THEY COME!" before the door opens to reveal...five battle droids. :smallbiggrin:

Renegade Paladin
2008-06-08, 05:49 PM
I've seen fanfilms with better production quality. :smallannoyed: