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afroakuma
2008-11-08, 03:45 PM
Back for a third round after two prior successes! This contest aims to create a D&D villain, complete with fluff! Please bold your vote.

I am pleased to present the latest villain, Dandag the Quiet (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5299871#post5299871)!

Contests that have gone before (or are currently running):
Vote Up A Monster (3.X) #1 by Zeta Kai (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4935219#post4935219)
Result: Gatekeeper (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5024872#post5024872)

Vote Up A Monster (3.X) #2 by Zeta Kai (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5061613#post5061613)
Result: Deus Ex Machina (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5109938#post5109938)

Vote Up A Monster (3.X) #3 by Zeta Kai (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5121003#post5121003)
Result: Ectoplasmic Swarm (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5189278#post5189278)

Vote Up A Monster (3.X) #4 by Zeta Kai (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95195)
Result: Pending

Vote Up A Monster (4E) #1 by Shadow_Elf (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5112259#post5112259)
Result: Songbird Spirit (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5183668#post5183668)

Vote Up A Monster (4E) #2 by Shadow_Elf (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5208278#post5208278)
Result: Pending

Vote Up A Villain (3.X) #1 by afroakuma (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5189703#post5189703)
Result: Maiden's Weeping/Swain of Varrone (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5213912#post5213912)

Vote Up A Villain (3.X) #2 by afroakuma (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95452)
Result: The Caillteanas (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5253896#post5253896)



Currently Voting On: Voting Closed; Villan Complete

1. Type: Giant


{table=head]Type|Votes
Aberration|1
Animal|
Construct|
Dragon|1
Elemental|1
Fey|
Giant|10
Humanoid|
Magical Beast|
Monstrous Humanoid|
Ooze|4
Outsider|
Plant|
Undead|1
Vermin|
[/table]

2. Race/Species: Ogre Mage
Vote for any Giant type monster from any 3.X WotC source. The current table contains only giants from the Monster Manual. If you vote for a creature in another source, please list that source with your vote.

{table=head]Giant Race|Votes
Cloud Giant|3
Ettin|2
Firbolg (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5259927#post5259927)|2
Fire Giant|6
Frost Giant|1
Geriviar (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5262520#post5262520)|0
Hill Giant
Ogre|
Ogre Mage|7
Stone Giant|1
Storm Giant|
Troll|3
Unique (Humanoid)|6
Unique (Monstrous)|2
[/table]

2b. Class: afroakuma's Ninja
You may vote for other classes, but please bear in mind that certain classes have been disallowed. Non-core classes are italicized.

{table=head]Class|Votes|Class|Votes
Artificier||Ninja (new)|11
Barbarian||Paladin|
Bard|3|Psion|
Beguiler||Psychic Warrior|
Cleric|1|Ranger|
Crusader||Rogue|
Druid|3|Samurai (new)|
Duskblade||Scout|
Favored Soul|1|Sorcerer|9
Fighter||Swordsage|
Healer||Warblade|
Hexblade|1|Warlock|
Matador (new)|2|Wilder|
Marshal|2|Wizard|
Monk||None|
[/table]
{table=head]Write-In Class|Votes
Spirit Shaman|1
[/table]

3. CR: 17

{table=head]CR|Votes
9|1
10|
11|
12|
13|
14|
15|3
16|
17|16
18|
19|1
20|1
[/table]

4. Alignment: Lawful Evil

{table=head]Alignment|Votes|Alignment|Votes|Alignment|Votes
Lawful Good|8|Neutral Good||Chaotic Good|
Lawful Neutral|1|Neutral||Chaotic Neutral|
Lawful Evil|12|Neutral Evil|3|Chaotic Evil|1
[/table]

5. Primary Motivation: Punch-Clock Villainy

{table=head]Motivation|Votes
Anarchy|1
Arrogance|
Curiosity|
Depression|
Entertainment|
Envy|
Greater good|
Greed|1
Hunger|
Insanity|2
Justice|
Logic|1
Love|1
Malevolence|
Order|
Punch-clock villainy|11
Rage|
Revenge|7
Selfishness|
Self-loathing|2
Spite|2
Survival|
[/table]

CountD
2008-11-08, 03:47 PM
I votes for... Dragon

But a small one

rayne_dragon
2008-11-08, 03:51 PM
Ooze

I don't think I've seen many oozes used as story important villains...

afroakuma
2008-11-08, 03:51 PM
It's called Juiblex. Or Ghaunadaur.

streakster
2008-11-08, 03:52 PM
Giant in the Playground!

Owrtho
2008-11-08, 03:55 PM
Ooze

Owrtho

Zeta Kai
2008-11-08, 04:06 PM
I shall second the vote for Giant. You don't see giant's used well as important adversaries. They're usually a mid-level antagonist, used once or twice, & then discarded for the rest of the campaign. I'd like to see a more formidable giant villain, rather than another XP-kleenex.

Debihuman
2008-11-08, 04:35 PM
I'm voting for Giant as well as I've seen plenty of dragons and fey recently.

Debby

insecure
2008-11-08, 04:35 PM
Here's another one for Giant. They really need to see more play.

KingGolem
2008-11-08, 04:38 PM
Yeah, I also vote for Giant.

thegurullamen
2008-11-08, 04:40 PM
Elelemenemenemenental

afroakuma
2008-11-08, 04:47 PM
The fey were, admittedly, partially my fault. :smallbiggrin: See prior thread.

puppyavenger
2008-11-08, 05:12 PM
eh OOOOOOOOze

Lord_Gareth
2008-11-08, 05:15 PM
Giant, if only to shut up the fanbase for them :p

Zordrath
2008-11-08, 05:17 PM
You can't tell me an Ooze villain wouldn't be awesome :smallbiggrin:

Zeta Kai
2008-11-08, 05:21 PM
You can't tell me an Ooze villain wouldn't be awesome :smallbiggrin:

Oh, sure I can. Just you watch me. :smallamused:

Zordrath
2008-11-08, 05:35 PM
Begone, foul heretic! Begone!

I wouldn't mind Giant, either, but so far, I've seen more competent giants than Oozes, which is why for Ooze my vote shall remain.

cnsvnc
2008-11-08, 05:48 PM
Though my heart goes for ooze, I'll vote for giant, for we've never had a giant in these contests.

Reverent-One
2008-11-08, 05:54 PM
Giant, it seems appropriate, and should be a bit different than most of the villians/creatures made in these contests.

afroakuma
2008-11-08, 06:02 PM
Will we truly have a Giant in the Playground? Voting closes at 0000 EST and will decide our fate.... muahahahahaha

Belkarsbadside1
2008-11-08, 06:09 PM
Aberrant villain for me. I just think of Cthulu, and the sinister mind flayers breeding thrall slaves and dominating a small town.

Copacetic
2008-11-08, 06:40 PM
Giant! And for added fun, add Soda!

Lyndworm
2008-11-08, 07:50 PM
I vote Giant! I've wanted it both times previously.

Zack

blackspeeker
2008-11-08, 11:56 PM
While I have time I shall cast a vote in vain for undead!

afroakuma
2008-11-09, 12:11 AM
The votes have been tallied!

We shall indeed finally have a Giant in the Playground!

Now, please vote for the giant's Race. Standard rules apply. As if I don't know how this one's gonna turn out...

Archangel Yuki
2008-11-09, 12:14 AM
Cloud Giant, because its my favorite type! I love them. Favorite villians.

blackspeeker
2008-11-09, 12:19 AM
I say unique (humanoid)

Owrtho
2008-11-09, 12:30 AM
Unique (Monstrous)

Owrtho

Shades of Gray
2008-11-09, 12:31 AM
Cloud Giant for me.

Zeta Kai
2008-11-09, 12:49 AM
Fire Giants seems to me to be the most overtly villainous of the giant varieties, as well as one of the more cunning & "with-it".

streakster
2008-11-09, 12:54 AM
Unique Humanoid for me.

Because when Afro's cookin', he always remembers the awesome.

Reverent-One
2008-11-09, 01:08 AM
I support Fire Giants, burning villians are always fun.

thegurullamen
2008-11-09, 02:15 AM
Rise of the Ogre Magi!!!

They need to be made more useful.

Agrippa
2008-11-09, 02:39 AM
Ogre Mage. I'd like to see one in action.

Drakefall
2008-11-09, 03:27 AM
A Lawful Neutral Frost Giant Marshall who rallies his men to protect giantkind is my ultimate goal for a wining giant villain. I love villains who aren't really villains.:smalltongue:

Luean
2008-11-09, 03:31 AM
Uhm, i vote for Troll, because i want a troll villain...

Lord Mancow
2008-11-09, 03:54 AM
Troll, they are too many times just unfortunate mooks and I hope it is given a fire and/or acid resistant items to screw over adventures.

Fako
2008-11-09, 04:35 AM
I want a Fire Giant:smallbiggrin:

Athaniar
2008-11-09, 04:41 AM
This time I'll go in a completely different direction and say Stone Giant. I've always though they were cool, plus, it leaves room for more class. And look at the picture from the MM or SRD: that looks villainous in my eyes.

UnChosenOne
2008-11-09, 07:03 AM
Unique (Monstrous). It just feel's right.

afroakuma
2008-11-09, 07:29 AM
Most diverse yet! This is going to be a good one. :smallbiggrin:

Miklus
2008-11-09, 07:33 AM
Fire Giant! One that wants to burn the whole world to ashes :smallamused:

Zordrath
2008-11-09, 07:34 AM
Fire Giants look like the best choice for a villain to me.

cnsvnc
2008-11-09, 09:11 AM
Ettins never get any love... Just because they're a bit dumb doesn't mean they can't make good villains.

Besides, it's gonna be two villains in one.

afroakuma
2008-11-09, 09:19 AM
There was a Dragonlance book with a prominent ettin (not the main villain, sadly.) Res-Lacua were their names.

Lord_Gareth
2008-11-09, 09:48 AM
Unique Humanoid

Seriously Afro, you should just homebrew each one. Previously-established stats are FOR THE WEEEEAAAK!

afroakuma
2008-11-09, 09:52 AM
The votes have been tallied!

We shall indeed finally have a Giant in the Playground!

Now, please vote for the giant's Race. Standard rules apply. As if I don't know how this one's gonna turn out...

Lord Gareth: See above. :smalltongue:

Shadow_Elf
2008-11-09, 10:44 AM
I'd like to vote for Firbolg.

Barring that, Cloud Giant

Thane of Fife
2008-11-09, 11:03 AM
I'll vote Ettin, if I may. I like things with lots of heads.

afroakuma
2008-11-09, 11:47 AM
Firbolg accepted and tabulated.

Firbolg

http://www.iwozhere.com/SRD/images/88268_620_52.jpg
Usually neutral giants who live in remote hills, forests or mountains, building great wooden structures to hose themselves, firbolg giants are among the most intelligent of giantkind. Preferring a hunter-gatherer lifestyle, they live with the land and treat other sentient beings as equals. Many other giant races dislike them.

vegetalss4
2008-11-09, 12:08 PM
Fire giant for reasons i can not explain

afroakuma
2008-11-09, 02:48 PM
Still fairly varied. I'm quite curious to see how this will play out.

Debihuman
2008-11-09, 05:06 PM
I'd love to see a Cloud Giant villain.
Debby

Mewtarthio
2008-11-09, 05:12 PM
I have to vote for the Firbolg.

afroakuma
2008-11-09, 05:14 PM
Still a very diverse field. I'm quite impressed. Maybe we should have more Giants in the Playground. Voting is still scheduled for turnover at 0000 EST.

insecure
2008-11-09, 05:42 PM
Here's one for Ogre Magi.

blackspeeker
2008-11-09, 05:50 PM
If only we could unify, then we could overthrow the oppressive tyranny of the fire giants...

afroakuma
2008-11-09, 05:55 PM
*shrug* there's still 6 hours, this could go in any number of ways. Heck, someone could pick Geriviar and have ten peple suddenly jump forward in support.

paddyfool
2008-11-09, 05:56 PM
Ogre Mage ftw

Heliomance
2008-11-09, 06:05 PM
I'mma pick Gerivar just because I don't know what it is.

puppyavenger
2008-11-09, 06:11 PM
unique humanoid

KingGolem
2008-11-09, 06:11 PM
I vote Troll. Trolls are cool, especially when they are a threat even if you have fire and/or acid.

afroakuma
2008-11-09, 06:12 PM
Heliomance, I'll allow it this time, but in the future, write-ins will only be accepted if you provide the creature's name and source.

Geriviar

http://nightmare.org/dnd/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=11610&g2_serialNumber=1
Geriviars are monstrous giants that inhabit desolations. Preferring isolation and ruggedness, geriviars shun company and abhor construction. Not only to they distrust all other living things, they outright loathe structures of any kind and take pains to reduce them to rubble. Their single-minded fixation on goals and unrelenting hatred of buildings makes them living siege engines, if someone can be found who can appeal to their desires.

Zeta Kai
2008-11-09, 06:14 PM
I'mma pick Gerivar just because I don't know what it is.

Well, there are worse ways to vote. I think...

Heliomance
2008-11-09, 06:18 PM
*shrug* there's still 6 hours, this could go in any number of ways. Heck, someone could pick Geriviar and have ten peple suddenly jump forward in support.

Hey, you're the one that brought it up.

Mewtarthio
2008-11-09, 06:19 PM
If only we could unify, then we could overthrow the oppressive tyranny of the fire giants...

The trouble is that, as much as I want the Firbolg, Fire Giants come in second for me...

Heliomance
2008-11-09, 06:28 PM
Actually, facetiousness over the Geriviar aside, I'mma change my vote to unique humanoid, partly because it's got more chance of winning, and partly because you did such a good job with the plant creature I want to see what you come up with this time.

Lappy9000
2008-11-09, 06:39 PM
Rich Burlew seems to have a thing for Firebolgs, judging from his entry on the Polymorph spell. Whether it's a good or bad thing, I can't tell. Yeah, I hate firebolgs. They're boring. They don't even have a fire or a bolg subtype!

Put me down for Ogre Mage. Haven't seen anything interesting with them since White Plume Mountain.

afroakuma
2008-11-09, 06:51 PM
Yes, I did bring it up, because it was a particularly preposterous giant. CR 19 doesn't leave me a lot of latitude.

And Heliomance: did you see the most recent one?

FoeHammer
2008-11-09, 08:35 PM
Ogre Mage

Haven't seen anything interesting done with it before, so this should be interesting.

Lappy9000
2008-11-09, 09:09 PM
Ogre Mage

Haven't seen anything interesting done with it before, so this should be interesting.

Interesting!

Copacetic
2008-11-09, 09:50 PM
Meh. Half of me is screaming Unque Humanoid, but the oOther half says Ogre Mage.

Juhn
2008-11-09, 10:21 PM
Unique Humanoid. More freedom equals more interesting results. We've given him unique the last couple of times, and we've gotten some quality villains. Then there's always the advantage that was pointed out last time - your players can't beat it just by having read the right book.

afroakuma
2008-11-09, 11:57 PM
Gasp! Will Unique actually lose this round?

afroakuma
2008-11-10, 12:05 AM
OK, voting has closed and the winner is: Ogre Mage!

I'm almost disappointed... our first every Giant in the Playground isn't an actual giant...

But no matter. This odious ogre mage needs a Class, and you;re just the folks to vote it up!

streakster
2008-11-10, 12:07 AM
Well, this actually fits with my idea quite well! I mean, I think that, flavorfully -


Oh, forget it. There's no real point in trying to be subtle with this, is there?

V-V-V-VOID PALM!

That is a vote for ninja.

afroakuma
2008-11-10, 12:09 AM
Hmm... I think I might understand what you;re trying to say, streak... it sounds like Italian, or maybe a Sicilian dialect...

Blue Ghost
2008-11-10, 12:12 AM
I'll put my vote in for cleric.

Owrtho
2008-11-10, 12:35 AM
Matador cuz I nolonger care about the outcome of this.

Owrtho

afroakuma
2008-11-10, 12:44 AM
Matador cuz I nolonger care about the outcome of this.

Owrtho

Pardon me? Is this because of it being an ogre mage?

blackspeeker
2008-11-10, 12:47 AM
Once, just once, I want a brutal Bard villain.

Zeta Kai
2008-11-10, 12:48 AM
Ogre Mage? How the hell did that come from behind to win? Ugh.

Oh, well. Since it's a mage, I'll vote for Sorcerer. It'll probably lose out to something ridiculous, like Bard.

Edit: Ninja'd by a vote for Bard. See?

afroakuma
2008-11-10, 12:51 AM
I have no control over the outcome of a vote. Bones may be picked with those who rallied behind it.

Just no petulance, if you all please.

blackspeeker
2008-11-10, 12:53 AM
Edit: Ninja'd by a vote for Bard. See?

Because I my good man am nothing if not ridiculous.

Agrippa
2008-11-10, 12:53 AM
I'm voting sorcerer.

Owrtho
2008-11-10, 12:53 AM
Pardon me? Is this because of it being an ogre mage?

Well, I tend to dislike giants. And I hate humandoids. So I particularly dislike Giant humanoids. And I never use ogers. Not the kind of thing I like. As such I'll never use the resulting villan. But I figured it could be funny to see an oger matador.

Owrtho

afroakuma
2008-11-10, 12:58 AM
You haven't seen my matador class then. You do not want to face an ogre mage matador. He will kill you. He will kill you very hard. :smallamused:

UnChosenOne
2008-11-10, 01:00 AM
Favored Soul. Blame the NWNII:MoB.

Lord Mancow
2008-11-10, 01:06 AM
The one whose abilities are more powerful than entire classes.
The Druid!

thegurullamen
2008-11-10, 01:08 AM
We need a fiery Sorcerer!

Magnor Criol
2008-11-10, 01:11 AM
I'm sorry; subtle or not, the void palm reference goes right over my head. What's that from?

As for my vote...I think it'd be interesting to see something a bit non-traditional for an ogre mage. How about...Marshal? That could make for an interesting villain, coupled with a nice assortment of mooks.

streakster
2008-11-10, 01:14 AM
I'm sorry; subtle or not, the void palm reference goes right over my head. What's that from?

As for my vote...I think it'd be interesting to see something a bit non-traditional for an ogre mage. How about...Marshal? That could make for an interesting villain, coupled with a nice assortment of mooks.

Running gag with Afro and me.

He wrote an awesome ninja class, I commented that I hated per-day abilities, and he wrote an ability so awesome that I didn't care it was per-day - the eponymous Void Palm.

In every villain contest he's held since, I've voted for his ninja class to win. I'm fairly predictable.

Owrtho
2008-11-10, 01:16 AM
You do not want to face an ogre mage matador. He will kill you. He will kill you very hard. :smallamused:

Yah, and he'll be waving a cape while doing so. Hence the vote for it.

Owrtho

Lord Mancow
2008-11-10, 02:15 AM
Come on people! Be incredibly mean to whatever party will be facing down this monstrosity, vote druid Today!

Brought to you by the Party for the Protection of Druidkind.

Adumbration
2008-11-10, 02:27 AM
Marshal it is.

Drakefall
2008-11-10, 05:09 AM
Hmm... I did initially want a marshal... but considering it's a magi I'll join the sorcerer vote.

vegetalss4
2008-11-10, 06:00 AM
i vote for ninja

Heliomance
2008-11-10, 06:56 AM
Truenamer. Just to be mean.

Tuataralad
2008-11-10, 07:04 AM
Ninja just because.

afroakuma
2008-11-10, 07:43 AM
I get the impression that a lot of people didn't want an ogre mage. The commentary is swinging that way.

Heliomance: Truenamer will not be an option. Please direct your vote elsewhere.

Lord_Gareth
2008-11-10, 07:53 AM
Matador.

I blame those who voted on Ogre Mage for the resulting lameness of this villain. ESTABLISHED. STATS. ARE FOR THE WEAK!

Zeta Kai
2008-11-10, 07:56 AM
Heliomance: Truenamer will not be an option. Please direct your vote elsewhere.

What about Kellus's Truenamer 2.0 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90961)? From what I can tell, it's everything that truenaming should have been.

Also, just because it's an established monster, LG, doesn't mean Afro can't do something great with it.

afroakuma
2008-11-10, 08:01 AM
There are a lot of bad vibes going on with this Class vote. At least half of you have said or insinuated something negative. It's more than a little insulting, you know. I had no control over the vote results, but I'm the one forced to read it all. Am I to understand that you want the previous vote rescinded, or something?

Lord_Gareth
2008-11-10, 08:07 AM
Afro, you are clearly unfamiliar with the United States philosiphy that voting allows you to whine all you want :p I voted, and thus I shall whine. Doesn't mean I want the vote changed. Just means I'll bitch and moan about it until my sense of wangst is satisfied.

Zeta Kai
2008-11-10, 08:55 AM
Afro, you are clearly unfamiliar with the United States philosiphy that voting allows you to whine all you want :p I voted, and thus I shall whine. Doesn't mean I want the vote changed. Just means I'll bitch and moan about it until my sense of wangst is satisfied.

Well, that's refreshingly frank. Perhaps change really is coming to America.

As for the Ogre Mage, you should just work with it, Afro. It won, fair & square, & I'm sure you can do something great with it. I didn't vote for it, but I didn't vote against it either. Perhaps your take on this villain will convince some DM to give Oni [sic] Mages a try.

afroakuma
2008-11-10, 09:28 AM
Oh, I'm going to complete it. It won the way everything else did, and is less stupid than an evil flower of love.

Thane of Fife
2008-11-10, 09:34 AM
Sorcerer sounds good to me.

bue52
2008-11-10, 10:28 AM
Hmmmm, a sorcerer mage makes more sense, so yes Sorcerer it is.

Saint Nil
2008-11-10, 10:31 AM
Oh, I'm going to complete it. It won the way everything else did, and is less stupid than an evil flower of love.

That flower was awesome:smallbiggrin:
Sorcerer

cnsvnc
2008-11-10, 11:23 AM
That "evil flower of love" was far too awesome to be stupid.

In other news: I vote bard. Further, I vote him/her to play a huge church organ while wearing a cape and cloak. The image of an ogre mage playing organ in a giant, gothic cathedral, providing bonuses to the ogre chorus standing between it and the PCs would have to made out of win.

Unfortunately, it'll prolly lose to sorcerer...

afroakuma
2008-11-10, 11:38 AM
More importantly, it would lose to Nordic war skald as the thematic selection. That's probably the direction I'd first look to take an ogre mage bard.

But you never know.

And yes, I personally liked the flower. I was only pointing out to those who think little of the ogre mage how preposterous the earlier premise sounded before the published villain arrived.

puppyavenger
2008-11-10, 12:18 PM
sorcerer although the bard is tempting...

Zordrath
2008-11-10, 01:42 PM
Ninja. An Ogre Ninja is not quite as awesome as an Ooze Ninja, but still pretty interesting :smalltongue:

blackspeeker
2008-11-10, 01:52 PM
In other news: I vote bard. Further, I vote him/her to play a huge church organ while wearing a cape and cloak. The image of an ogre mage playing organ in a giant, gothic cathedral, providing bonuses to the ogre chorus standing between it and the PCs would have to made out of win.

C'mon guys don't deny us this... think of a group of PC's terror when the ogre magi gets on the organ and his tribe bursts out into this: http://www.myvideo.de/watch/2408506/The_Simpsons_In_the_garden_of_eden

Edit: Where can I find this ninja afro came up with?

Luean
2008-11-10, 02:03 PM
Ogre Mage Ninja? Yes please!

insecure
2008-11-10, 02:23 PM
Ogre Mage Hexblade for me, please!

streakster
2008-11-10, 02:24 PM
Edit: Where can I find this ninja afro came up with?

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94207

Ekeralos
2008-11-10, 03:20 PM
Ogre Mage Ninja ftw!

Will the standard Ogre Mage or the modified one be used?
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dd/20060721a

afroakuma
2008-11-10, 03:53 PM
I'll have to examine that question when I get home. I would be inclined to say the original will be used, though I will be giving it rolled stats instead of the defaults, which might help slightly.

Egiam
2008-11-10, 03:56 PM
Druid
I can imagine a ogre mage druid reaching what he believes to be enlightenment. He now tries to destroy everything because he believes "from the ashes nature will spring anew" (think forest fires) . Sorry if this is ahead of time, this is my first time voting. Please tell me if I did something wrong. Also a druid villian would be awesome to DM.

afroakuma
2008-11-10, 03:59 PM
Not at all. You're right on schedule. Be aware, however, that the finished villain will not necessarily be evil.

Dungeon Magazine actually had an adventure with a cadre of monstrous druids led by a gnoll... it was very well done.

Athaniar
2008-11-10, 04:36 PM
I agree with Druid.

Juhn
2008-11-10, 05:58 PM
Sorceror is too obvious to me, and I don't know what it would do with that +10 Strength bonus. Still needs to be a casting class though (it is an Ogre Mage after all). Cleric is probably the most obvious choice, but I'd like to see a villainous Bard. Especially one that's an ogre.

Archangel Yuki
2008-11-10, 06:43 PM
Ninja!!!!

:Lurkingninja:

Heliomance
2008-11-10, 06:57 PM
Very well, if Truenamer is not allowed, my vote goes to Stormlord (Complete Divine), because the image of an ogre mage throwing thunderbolts appeals to me. If PrCs are disallowed, then I think I'll go Spirit Shaman. It's not got a hope of winning, but hey.

afroakuma
2008-11-10, 07:01 PM
PrC voting is, unfortunately, also disallowed. Which is too bad,because that does sound awesome. I'll have to take a look at it.

Edit: Why not just Druid?

Kroy
2008-11-10, 08:03 PM
Ninja. Why? Because an Ogre mage ninja would be awesome!

lord of kobolds
2008-11-10, 09:36 PM
Ninja!!!!!

kopout
2008-11-10, 09:51 PM
ninja! for the absurdity of a 400lb ninja :smallbiggrin:

afroakuma
2008-11-10, 09:52 PM
*sigh* Because voting based on absurdity is so productive.

kopout
2008-11-10, 10:22 PM
*sigh* Because voting based on absurdity is so productive.

Hay, it got us an ooze swarm and, almost, a contract killing lawn, respect the absurdity.

Zeta Kai
2008-11-10, 10:30 PM
Hay, it got us an ooze swarm...

An incorporeal ooze swarm. I still haven't forgiven you guys for that. :smallconfused:


...respect the absurdity.

I'd prefer to see monsters/villains/whatever that make sense, not homebrew that was made because sadists thought it'd be funny to vote for the goofy choice. It only forces us to limit the voters' later choices, so as to hedge our bets against pranksters.

afroakuma
2008-11-10, 10:31 PM
...and, almost, a contract killing lawn...

Yeah, I wouldn't have forgiven that if it had gone by. Look what you got instead, for the price of slightly less absurdity.

kopout
2008-11-10, 10:32 PM
An incorporeal ooze swarm. I still haven't forgiven you guys for that. :smallconfused:

wew sawwey:smallfrown:

streakster
2008-11-10, 10:34 PM
An incorporeal ooze swarm. I still haven't forgiven you guys for that. :smallconfused:


Aren't you forgetting that it almost had Manufactured Weapons?

afroakuma
2008-11-10, 10:39 PM
streakster: No. Neither of us are forgetting that. For very different reasons.

Lord_Gareth
2008-11-10, 10:41 PM
*Gleefully awaits the birth of the Bladed Blob*

Copacetic
2008-11-10, 10:45 PM
Ninja. For the lulz.

afroakuma
2008-11-10, 10:51 PM
*sigh* Again with the lulz. You're not making this any easier, you know.

Magnor Criol
2008-11-10, 11:01 PM
afro does have a point, guys. Absurdity is fun and all, but there comes a point where it crosses the line of "interesting, very non-traditional blend" and goes into "mix of random parts that don't mesh well together".

I mean, don't get me wrong, afro and Zeta both are really talented and can pull amazing stuff off - the stuff they've been putting out is a great testament to that, no lie - but if things are too bizarre, then even they might not be able to avoid just making a villain that feels like it's a hodgepodge of abilities someone wanted to throw together for no reason.

Shades of Gray
2008-11-10, 11:05 PM
Sorcerer, I feel your pain Afro and Zeta.

Lord_Gareth
2008-11-10, 11:09 PM
To be fair, you can make an Ogre Mage Ninja work provided the other votes make sense. Hell, an LE OM-N could reasonably be the most unexpected Punch-Clock villain ever invented.

streakster
2008-11-10, 11:09 PM
afro does have a point, guys. Absurdity is fun and all, but there comes a point where it crosses the line of "interesting, very non-traditional blend" and goes into "mix of random parts that don't mesh well together".

I mean, don't get me wrong, afro and Zeta both are really talented and can pull amazing stuff off - the stuff they've been putting out is a great testament to that, no lie - but if things are too bizarre, then even they might not be able to avoid just making a villain that feels like it's a hodgepodge of abilities someone wanted to throw together for no reason.

I agree, oddly enough.

And I swear, I don't vote for sheer absurdity, most of the time. I vote for something new or seldom-done that I feel could be awesome. Why, ninja fits a being of stealth and deception very well, don't you think?

*I plead my utter and complete guilt in the Manufactured Weapons debacle.

Lord_Gareth
2008-11-10, 11:12 PM
I still say the manufactured weaponry could have worked T_T

afroakuma
2008-11-10, 11:17 PM
Magnor, Shades: I appreciate it. Really.


I agree, oddly enough.

And I swear, I don't vote for sheer absurdity, most of the time. I vote for something new or seldom-done that I feel could be awesome. Why, ninja fits a being of stealth and deception very well, don't you think?

I can certainly do a ninja. What irritates me is that this class vote has been almost all about the "lulz," to the point that what might be a legitimate choice has become the farce standardbearer (and is of my own personal design, therefore being something of an insult) in a winning battle against what has been touted as an actual reasoned choice.

All those of you who are screwing with it because you can, or you don't care? Don't tell me. I don't want to know. It's insulting to have to read those kind of remarks. I like that we can have interesting and funny voting, and still get something out of it, but if you've actively decided not to make a positive contribution, there's no need to advertise that.

Enough lecturing. This contest is supposed to be for fun. Let the games continue.


*I plead my utter and complete guilt in the Manufactured Weapons debacle.

You bet you do. :smallannoyed:

Lord_Gareth
2008-11-10, 11:21 PM
For future reference, I'd change my vote to ninja, but, frankly, I want Matador to have the pair of votes it's got, because the image of an ogre dressed like that is...epic.

I may have been unhappy with the ogre mage choice, but I'm not trying to sabotage anything. I just didn't like the race choice >.>

Zeta Kai
2008-11-11, 12:03 AM
I can certainly do a ninja. What irritates me is that this class vote has been almost all about the "lulz," to the point that what might be a legitimate choice has become the farce standard-bearer (and is of my own personal design, therefore being something of an insult) in a winning battle against what has been touted as an actual reasoned choice.

All those of you who are screwing with it because you can, or you don't care? Don't tell me. I don't want to know. It's insulting to have to read those kind of remarks. I like that we can have interesting and funny voting, and still get something out of it, but if you've actively decided not to make a positive contribution, there's no need to advertise that.

Quoted for Ultimate Truth.

afroakuma
2008-11-11, 12:04 AM
The votes have been tallied, and the winning class is afroakuma's Ninja.

Now, this jutsuing giantkin needs a Challenge Rating.

Due to the racial CR of 8 plus minimally one class level, votes lower than CR 9 will not be accepted.

streakster
2008-11-11, 12:08 AM
CR 15

That gives it a third level jutsu, you know.

Zeta Kai
2008-11-11, 12:14 AM
Well, I just checked out the Ninja variant (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94207) that you'll be using. I don't see what's unfinished about from a cursory glance. Based on what I do see, I'd say Ninja9 is a good place, which would work out to CR17. That'sa my vote.

Ekeralos
2008-11-11, 12:24 AM
CR 17, sounds a tough an interesting challenge.

Reverent-One
2008-11-11, 12:36 AM
I can certainly do a ninja. What irritates me is that this class vote has been almost all about the "lulz," to the point that what might be a legitimate choice has become the farce standardbearer (and is of my own personal design, therefore being something of an insult) in a winning battle against what has been touted as an actual reasoned choice.

All those of you who are screwing with it because you can, or you don't care? Don't tell me. I don't want to know. It's insulting to have to read those kind of remarks. I like that we can have interesting and funny voting, and still get something out of it, but if you've actively decided not to make a positive contribution, there's no need to advertise that.

Just saying, that just because they're doing for the "lulz" doesn't mean they're trying to hurt the contest. But that they want to see what sort of job you can making a creature that defies logic in some way, becuase you'd make it so interesting and awesome. It's your own fault for being too good at this. :smallwink:

At least, such would be my thought process if I did such a thing (which, for the record, I did not do in this case.)

And I'll support CR 17.

Lord Mancow
2008-11-11, 12:56 AM
Let's go with CR 17 because it gives Afro plenty of room to work his awesome.

Owrtho
2008-11-11, 01:03 AM
Well, I was thinking of voting CR 9, but I think I'll be nice (mean?) and vote CR 17 as well.

Owrtho

blackspeeker
2008-11-11, 02:03 AM
Well then I'll vote CR 9

Athaniar
2008-11-11, 02:51 AM
Actually, CR 17 sounds just about perfect.

bue52
2008-11-11, 02:59 AM
A CR of 15 seems nice, I wonder how the powers would work out though.

Terror_Incognito
2008-11-11, 03:32 AM
I say go all the way. CR 20.

Also, on the 400lb Ogre Mage Ninja, I think it would fit with an Eastern sort of setting. I've been watching a lot of "Monkey" lately and the pictures of Ogre Mages I've seen all look like the monsters from that.

vegetalss4
2008-11-11, 04:31 AM
i support 17, lots of space for afros awesome, is a good thing

Tuataralad
2008-11-11, 07:15 AM
I will support 17 also.

Drakefall
2008-11-11, 07:38 AM
CR 17 does indeed sound appropriate.

afroakuma
2008-11-11, 08:10 AM
Well, this will give me a bit of latitude.

Lord_Gareth
2008-11-11, 08:10 AM
CR 17

Hopefully, Afro will remember Thief's First Law of Ninjutsu - ninjas are inherantly expendable :smallbiggrin:

UnChosenOne
2008-11-11, 08:28 AM
CR 17. Bye Bye easy fight and welcome the good fight.

Luean
2008-11-11, 09:23 AM
Well, looks like a win for CR 17 at the moment, but i vote for CR 15

puppyavenger
2008-11-11, 11:10 AM
CR seventeen

Archangel Yuki
2008-11-11, 11:57 AM
cr 17.

Because i like prime numbers. BIG prime numbers.

Copacetic
2008-11-11, 12:04 PM
I can certainly do a ninja. What irritates me is that this class vote has been almost all about the "lulz," to the point that what might be a legitimate choice has become the farce standardbearer (and is of my own personal design, therefore being something of an insult) in a winning battle against what has been touted as an actual reasoned choice.

All those of you who are screwing with it because you can, or you don't care? Don't tell me. I don't want to know. It's insulting to have to read those kind of remarks. I like that we can have interesting and funny voting, and still get something out of it, but if you've actively decided not to make a positive contribution, there's no need to advertise that.

Enough lecturing. This contest is supposed to be for fun. Let the games continue.




I'm sorry if I have offended you by choosing a class that I thought would make an intresting combination. "For the Lulz" should read "Because no one else has done it before" or even "Why not?" Still, I apologize. I'll try to make more serious choices from now on. But as you said, The contest is supposed to be for fun.

CR 17

Kroy
2008-11-11, 12:25 PM
Like everyone else, I vote for CR 17

afroakuma
2008-11-11, 12:32 PM
I'm sorry if I have offended you by choosing a class that I thought would make an intresting combination. "For the Lulz" should read "Because no one else has done it before" or even "Why not?"

It was just a poor time to write that as your reason, given what others had been writing. If you made your choice legitimately, I certainly can't fault you for that. I like doing interesting things. I don't like a fleet of people turning it into a farce because one vote didn't go their way.


Still, I apologize. I'll try to make more serious choices from now on. But as you said, The contest is supposed to be for fun.


There is no such thing as a serious choice, only a serious decision, if that makes and sense. I do want this to be a fun contest, I just don't like petty sabotage.

Zeta Kai
2008-11-11, 12:47 PM
There is no such thing as a serious choice, only a serious decision, if that makes and sense. I do want this to be a fun contest, I just don't like petty sabotage.

To be fair, I think petty sabotage is not really an appreciable phenomenon here or on other VUAx threads. In the one instance where someone actually threatened such a thing, I believe that they were probably joking. At most, it may have been an idle threat. I agree that farcical voting may be an issue. And it does seem to the person who has to take those votes & make something out of them that it's a spiteful, vicious joke. But i think most voters just wanna see talented creators like you take something strange & make it beautiful.

Could you make a brilliant villain out of an Succubus/Sorcerer7/ChaoticEvil/Greed? Sure. But many could do something similar, if not quite as well. The books tell you how, for the most part. People come to you to see someone who can take an OgreMage/Ninja9/LawfulGood/Insanity & make it sing. They come to threads like ours to see someone make a monster that they can use, one that's so unusual & so damn cool that their players will just flip when they have to fight it. They are here for a show, & like it or not, we're here to give 'em one. :smallwink:

Debihuman
2008-11-11, 07:56 PM
CR 17 works for me too. Despite missing out on on voting for a class and voting for a cloud giant, I'm really starting to like the idea of ogre mage ninja.

Debby

cnsvnc
2008-11-11, 10:17 PM
I like 19 better.

And I am also waiting for the Bladed Blob...

Heliomance
2008-11-11, 10:26 PM
To be fair, I think petty sabotage is not really an appreciable phenomenon here or on other VUAx threads. In the one instance where someone actually threatened such a thing, I believe that they were probably joking. At most, it may have been an idle threat. I agree that farcical voting may be an issue. And it does seem to the person who has to take those votes & make something out of them that it's a spiteful, vicious joke. But i think most voters just wanna see talented creators like you take something strange & make it beautiful.

Could you make a brilliant villain out of an Succubus/Sorcerer7/ChaoticEvil/Greed? Sure. But many could do something similar, if not quite as well. The books tell you how, for the most part. People come to you to see someone who can take an OgreMage/Ninja9/LawfulGood/Insanity & make it sing. They come to threads like ours to see someone make a monster that they can use, one that's so unusual & so damn cool that their players will just flip when they have to fight it. They are here for a show, & like it or not, we're here to give 'em one. :smallwink:

Totally gonna vote LG and Insanity now.

Juhn
2008-11-11, 10:31 PM
Was that an attempt at preliminary vote influence, Zeta Kai? :smalltongue:

I'm not voting on CR yet, but as the votes are heading toward CR 17 at the moment I feel the need to point out that, if I recall correctly, level 17 is the level where ninth-level dramatically-changing-the-world spells become available to the party. If this villain's CR is going to be 17 or above, it's going to need to be scary enough to pose a real challenge to a party that can alter reality.

afroakuma
2008-11-11, 10:53 PM
Not really; CR is a measure of "20% of our current resources can curbstomp this."

CR 17 would be a real challenge for a level 14 or 15 party.

But yes, I will be making it a fair challenge, since it is a main villain.

afroakuma
2008-11-12, 12:06 AM
Votes are in and the resultant CR is 17.

Now, this slovenly shinobi needs its Alignment.

Let the voting begin!

Zeta Kai
2008-11-12, 12:23 AM
Lawful Evil is what this needs to be. And that's all that needs to be said.

horngeek
2008-11-12, 12:23 AM
Chaotic Evil

streakster
2008-11-12, 12:27 AM
Lawful Evil is what this needs to be. And that's all that needs to be said.

To the bandwagon!

Lawful Evil

Owrtho
2008-11-12, 12:34 AM
Lawful Good. To make it epic.

Owrtho

starwoof
2008-11-12, 12:38 AM
I'm gonna go for Lawful Evil, because he is a ninja.

blackspeeker
2008-11-12, 12:44 AM
To the bandwagon!

Lawful Evil

A bandwagon? I'n so there, Lawful Evil!

cnsvnc
2008-11-12, 01:15 AM
NE need more characters

Ekeralos
2008-11-12, 01:46 AM
Lawful Nuetral, just to be different... nah, let's make a villain that is neither evil nor good

Reverent-One
2008-11-12, 02:15 AM
Lawful Evil

Drakefall
2008-11-12, 05:13 AM
Ninja's aren't lawful! That's what samurai are for. Neutral Evil for our ogre magi friend... who has no magic... oh the tragic upbringing of the poor devil!

Heliomance
2008-11-12, 06:10 AM
As promised, Lawful Good. You know it makes sense!

afroakuma
2008-11-12, 07:25 AM
Well, I'm starting to get the final prep down, at least.

UnChosenOne
2008-11-12, 07:58 AM
Lawful Good.

Saint Nil
2008-11-12, 08:39 AM
I want to see Lawful Good.

Lord_Gareth
2008-11-12, 11:30 AM
Lawful Good.

Yeah.

We're going there.

Egiam
2008-11-12, 11:34 AM
I vote for NE.

Kagehime
2008-11-12, 11:58 AM
Yeah, let's see self-righteous paladins take down a Lawful Good character who's opposed to them!

paddyfool
2008-11-12, 12:03 PM
Lawful evil. The most classic of ninja alignments.

Zordrath
2008-11-12, 12:06 PM
I would vote for Neutral Evil, but Lawful Evil has more chances of beating LG, so I'm voting that instead.

There's limits to absurdity, you know :smalltongue:

Athaniar
2008-11-12, 12:24 PM
Lawful Evil is the only alignment I can see it as. Come on, we want this to be a real villain, don't we?

puppyavenger
2008-11-12, 01:14 PM
lawful evil

afroakuma
2008-11-12, 01:36 PM
Still half a day left... this could swing in quite a few ways.

Fako
2008-11-12, 01:41 PM
Lawful Good for me.

Owrtho
2008-11-12, 01:44 PM
There's limits to absurdity, you know :smalltongue:
Lies!

Also though, evil players need villans too. And good can be enemies with good (such as good of city vs good of forest).

Owrtho

thegurullamen
2008-11-12, 01:53 PM
"I' have a LG Coke to go."

afroakuma
2008-11-12, 01:53 PM
Yes, but you're starting to push the limits of believability. An ogre mage ninja who is lawful good? Surely evil can find better antagonists than that.

puppyavenger
2008-11-12, 01:54 PM
Yes, but you're starting to push the limits of believability. An ogre mage ninja who is lawful good? Surely evil can find better antagonists than that.

maybe the parties evil because they're killing off all the unbelievably absurd stuff?....

afroakuma
2008-11-12, 01:55 PM
That's why we have flumphs. And duckbunnies.

Owrtho
2008-11-12, 01:56 PM
Ah, but it would make all the more sense than some others. He could be a traitor who as such knows secrets that make him need to be silenced. Or it could just be that he is considered a notable threat due to him being of a group that is normaly evil and perhapse seen as a danger to their reputation.

Owrtho

afroakuma
2008-11-12, 02:00 PM
...a lawful traitor?

Not to mention you wackos are going to render all such possibilities moot on the Motivation vote, the way you've been going this round, sheesh... :smalltongue:

Juhn
2008-11-12, 02:06 PM
Lawful Evil. He's a ninja. An assassin, essentially. He kills people for money. That's all there is to this. I could see an argument for Lawful Neutral, but that's about it.

On the plus side, all you folks who've been clamoring for PCV: this is a villain where that makes perfect sense. He doesn't enjoy killing per se, it's a matter of professional pride. Always complete the contract.

Drakefall
2008-11-12, 02:47 PM
I would like to know what makes a ninja, the most deceptive and devious of all creatures, lawful?

Juhn
2008-11-12, 02:53 PM
He's "lawful" in the sense that his law is his contract. He follows that to the letter. He's still lawful, he just follows a different set of laws from most of society.

vegetalss4
2008-11-12, 03:00 PM
i wouldhave voted lawful good, but afro seems to not like the idea
so i vote Lawful Evil instead

Athaniar
2008-11-12, 03:11 PM
I would like to know what makes a ninja, the most deceptive and devious of all creatures, lawful?

What does deceptiveness and deviousness have to do with Lawful/Chaotic alignments at all? Lawful simply means that you have a strict code that you follow, and that you don't just take thing as they come, as a chaotic character might. I think.

afroakuma
2008-11-12, 03:15 PM
Artemis Entreri is Lawful Evil and is an awesome assassin.

Debihuman
2008-11-12, 03:46 PM
Well since this is a villain, I'm going to vote for LAWFUL EVIL.

Drakefall
2008-11-12, 04:22 PM
There's a difference between assassin's and ninja's besides one being British and the other Japanese... I just can't seem to think of it at the moment.:smalltongue:

Meh, I guess it's just a personal thing. Being an otaku I've seen countless samurai (who I use, along with paladin's as my lawful guiding point) express their dislike of ninja's and their dishonourable ways.

Anyway, before this turns into an alignment battle I'll just accept that if an ogre magi can be a ninja in the first place then New Guinea be damned if he can't be lawful if he wants to. Yes, my views are, indeed, odd and make small children fall over.

afroakuma
2008-11-12, 04:24 PM
Historical ninja were incredibly lawful as a rule.

An assassins are a Middle-Eastern concept (hashashin) originally.

But yes, samurai would have found ninja dishonorable.

puppyavenger
2008-11-12, 04:26 PM
Historical ninja were incredibly lawful as a rule.

An assassins are a Middle-Eastern concept (hashashin) originally.

But yes, samurai would have found ninja dishonorable.

because they assassinated people:smalltongue:

afroakuma
2008-11-12, 04:29 PM
Because they were infiltrators and spies who didn't swear loyalty. Because they fought covertly.

Juhn
2008-11-12, 05:32 PM
Both samurai and ninja were lawful; both followed their own code. Their codes just tended to conflict.

Kagehime
2008-11-12, 05:38 PM
Both samurai and ninja were lawful; both followed their own code. Their codes just tended to conflict.

Exactly; there was no way you could get to be a high-ranking warrior of any sort in feudal Japan unless you swore absolute allegiance to your lord--it just didn't happen to include any loyalty to those whom you were supposed to assassinate.

Of course, if you were ordered to kill someone you already owed allegiance to, that could cause some conflicts of duty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giri_(Japanese))...

afroakuma
2008-11-12, 06:36 PM
I actually hope my Samurai gets used one of these times... I was quite fond of that revision.

afroakuma
2008-11-13, 12:01 AM
The votes have been counted, and the winning alignment is Lawful Evil!

Finally, this obscured ogre mage needs its Primary Motivation!

streakster
2008-11-13, 12:04 AM
Punch-Clock Villainy

"Whoops, six o'clock? Time to be evil."

Owrtho
2008-11-13, 12:10 AM
Self-loathing

Oertho

starwoof
2008-11-13, 12:11 AM
I think this villain should villainize out of Spite!

bue52
2008-11-13, 12:27 AM
Hmmm, I'd pick punch-clock villiany

shadesofgray
2008-11-13, 12:32 AM
I vote Anarchy!

Reverent-One
2008-11-13, 12:42 AM
Revenge!!!

UnChosenOne
2008-11-13, 12:43 AM
Self-loathing

Ekeralos
2008-11-13, 01:07 AM
Revenge "How dare they slight me!"

Terror_Incognito
2008-11-13, 01:31 AM
I want him to be a power-hungry megalomaniac, sitting in the shadows pulling the strings of minions.

I like either Greed or Hunger (for Power).

IF there's a more appropriate motivation then I choose that.

vegetalss4
2008-11-13, 01:44 AM
let's go for the greater good

Athaniar
2008-11-13, 03:04 AM
I'd like Logic as a motivation for this one.

Heliomance
2008-11-13, 03:05 AM
Insanityy.

Fako
2008-11-13, 03:15 AM
I'll go for Self Loathing. An Ogre Mage that doesn't have magic as his primary must hate himself or his heritage quite a bit in my opinion...

afroakuma
2008-11-13, 07:08 AM
Really wide-spread so far.

Sereg
2008-11-13, 07:20 AM
I'm going with spite.

Tuataralad
2008-11-13, 07:53 AM
I'll say Insanity also.

blackspeeker
2008-11-13, 07:56 AM
Punch clock villainy.

Zeta Kai
2008-11-13, 07:57 AM
I'm glad Lawful Evil won, as Lawful Good would've just been dumb. You really gotta ban good alignments for the VUAV, Afro. VUAM can get away with Good every once in a while, but the "villain" has some pretty clear connotations, implying Neutral at best. Good antagonists are just allies that you haven't befriended yet.

As for my vote, I'd like to see a story based on Revenge.

Drakefall
2008-11-13, 08:11 AM
I'm going with punch clock villainy because that just seems to work for the slightly absurd ogre ninja.

paddyfool
2008-11-13, 08:35 AM
There's no reason this has to be absurd - I mean, the spell-like abilities of an Ogre Mage seem to synergise pretty well with ninja abilities to me (particularly change shape, invisibility, darkness, gaseous form and charm person), not to mention the ability to fly. It's a pity about the lack of stealthy class skills from the racial hit die, but there are ways around that.

And I'm going for... Revenge. A lot of the others don't seem like sufficient motivation for an Ogre Mage to undergo extensive ninja training.

puppyavenger
2008-11-13, 08:52 AM
Punch clock Villainy

zugschef
2008-11-13, 09:03 AM
And I'm going for... Revenge. A lot of the others don't seem like sufficient motivation for an Ogre Mage to undergo extensive ninja training.
i second that.

cnsvnc
2008-11-13, 01:01 PM
Punch clock villainy. For the "LOLZ"!

(which means anyone could make a villain with revenge, insanity or whatnot whereas I trust Afro to make a good job with an ogre mage career ninja)

UnChosenOne
2008-11-13, 01:33 PM
I chage my vote to Punch clock villainy.

TheCheshireHat
2008-11-13, 01:48 PM
I vote Revenge, because, lets face it, ninjas are all about revenge

Egiam
2008-11-13, 03:07 PM
I vote Revenge, because, lets face it, ninjas are all about revenge

I disagree, ninjas are about assasinating people, not necessarily revenge. But still I vote Revenge.

vegetalss4
2008-11-13, 03:50 PM
i would like to change my vote from the greater good into Punch clock villainy.

afro i know you can make it awesome, i just wants to see how

kopout
2008-11-13, 04:58 PM
I'm glad Lawful Evil won, as Lawful Good would've just been dumb. You really gotta ban good alignments for the VUAV, Afro. VUAM can get away with Good every once in a while, but the "villain" has some pretty clear connotations, implying Neutral at best. Good antagonists are just allies that you haven't befriended yet.

As for my vote, I'd like to see a story based on Revenge.

what if you are evil?
Punch clock villainy. I personally like PCV allot . It is always interesting.

And I trust afro can do it.
Go, afro, go