PDA

View Full Version : Vote Up A Villain IV! [Voting Closed, Villain Complete!] (3.5)



Pages : [1] 2

afroakuma
2008-11-27, 04:42 PM
Back after a long hiatus, it's the fourth installment of the still-popular Vote Up A Villain! This contest aims to create a D&D villain, complete with fluff! Please bold your vote.

I am pleased to present this round's published villain, the Augmoha (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5407303&postcount=279)!

Contests that have gone before (or are currently running):
Vote Up a Monster (3.X) #1 by Zeta Kai
Result: the Gatekeeper

Vote Up a Monster (3.X) #2 by Zeta Kai
Result: the Deus ex Machina

Vote Up a Monster (3.X) #3 by Zeta Kai
Result: the Ectoplasmic Swarm

Vote Up a Monster (3.X) #4 by Zeta Kai
Result: the Polymental

Vote Up a Monster (4E) #1 by Shadow_Elf
Result: the Songbird Spirit

Vote Up a Monster (4E) #2 by Shadow_Elf
Result: Pending

Vote Up a Villain (3.X) #1 by afroakuma
Result: the Maiden’s Weeping/Swain of Varrone

Vote Up a Villain (3.X) #2 by afroakuma
Result: the Caillteanas

Vote Up a Villain (3.X) #3 by afroakuma
Result: Dandag the Quiet

Vote Up A Campaign Setting by Zeta Kai, Shadow_Elf and afroakuma (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96183)
Result: Pending


Currently Voting On: Voting Closed, Villain Complete

1. Type: Vermin


{table=head]Type|Votes
Aberration|
Animal|
Construct|10
Dragon|
Elemental|3
Fey|
Giant|1
Humanoid|1
Magical Beast|
Monstrous Humanoid|1
Ooze|1
Outsider|1
Plant|
Undead|1
Vermin|11
[/table]

2. Race/Species: Unique (Something Worse)
Vote for any Vermin type monster from any 3.X WotC source. The current table contains only vermin from the Monster Manual. If you vote for a creature in another source, please list that source with your vote.

{table=head]Vermin Species|Votes
Centipede Swarm|
Giant Ant|
Giant Bee|
Giant Bombardier Beetle|
Giant Fire Beetle|
Giant Praying Mantis|
Giant Stag Beetle|
Giant Wasp|
Locust Swarm|
Monstrous Centipede|
Monstrous Scorpion|
Monstrous Spider|
Spider Swarm
Unique (Insect)|4
Unique (Something Worse)|16
Unique (Swarm)|[/table]

2b. Class: Not Available
You may vote for other classes, but please bear in mind that certain classes have been disallowed. Non-core classes are italicized.

{table=head]Class|Votes|Class|Votes
Artificier||Ninja (new)|
Barbarian||Paladin|
Bard||Psion|
Beguiler||Psychic Warrior|
Cleric||Ranger|
Crusader||Rogue|
Druid||Samurai (new)|
Duskblade||Scout|
Favored Soul||Sorcerer|
Fighter||Swordsage|
Healer||Warblade|
Hexblade||Warlock|
Matador (new)||Wilder|
Marshal||Wizard|
Monk||None|
[/table]

3. CR: 8

{table=head]CR|Votes
1|
2|
3|
4|1
5|
6|
7|3
8|6
9|
10|1
11|1
12|
13|4
14|
15|
16|
17|
18|
19|
20|
[/table]

4. Alignment: Chaotic Evil

{table=head]Alignment|Votes|Alignment|Votes|Alignment|Votes
Lawful Good|1|Neutral Good||Chaotic Good|
Lawful Neutral||Neutral|3|Chaotic Neutral|2
Lawful Evil|2|Neutral Evil|3|Chaotic Evil|11
[/table]

5. Primary Motivation: Survival

{table=head]Motivation|Votes
Anarchy|2
Arrogance|1
Curiosity|
Depression|2
Entertainment|
Envy|
Greater good|7
Greed|
Hunger|
Insanity|5
Justice|1
Logic|1
Love|1
Malevolence|
Order|
Punch-clock villainy|
Rage|
Revenge|
Selfishness|
Self-loathing|2
Spite|1
Survival|10
[/table]

Vexxation
2008-11-27, 04:57 PM
Monstrous Humanoid

Specifically, Minotaur...
A Minotaur Matador with ranks in Ride and a pet Bull mount...

Reath
2008-11-27, 04:58 PM
Elemental.


Because it would be awesome to have a giant sand elemental trying to return the cities to the Sand.

insecure
2008-11-27, 04:59 PM
Let's see some love for the plain, old Humanoid.

Project Icarus
2008-11-27, 06:11 PM
Giant

I can't think of any villains who are giants - at least off the top of my head. I think it would be interesting to see what would come from it.

XiaoTie
2008-11-27, 06:16 PM
Vermin for something a bit more exotic

Blue Ghost
2008-11-27, 06:18 PM
Try Undead. Undead villains are always good.

Lord_Gareth
2008-11-27, 06:28 PM
I demand a construct with legitimate motivation!

Fako
2008-11-27, 06:43 PM
Construct. You've managed a plant, a fey, and an ogre mage...let's see how you manage an intelligent hunk of [insert material here]

Owrtho
2008-11-27, 07:00 PM
Elemental

Owrtho

Juhn
2008-11-27, 07:10 PM
I can't think of any villains who are giants - at least off the top of my head.

We just had one of these in the last contest. 'Course, it ended up being an Ogre Mage, but still.

Also, you guys seem to do well with strange selections, so let's try for a Vermin this time. Insects just seem to be naturally inclined toward villainy, when they aren't entirely mindless.

Pronounceable
2008-11-27, 07:48 PM
Vermin don't lend themselves well to villainy. Let's see if Afro can do his magic with them.


Idle wondering: Don't you get worn out by constant production of awesome? Won't you crash into the writer's block if you keep this pace?

Juhn
2008-11-27, 07:51 PM
To be honest, I was expecting this to be put on hold until VUACS was over. I certainly hope running too many things at once won't negatively affect the quality of any of the finished products...

LordZarth
2008-11-27, 07:54 PM
To be honest, I was expecting this to be put on hold until VUACS was over. I certainly hope running too many things at once won't negatively affect the quality of any of the finished products...

I doubt it. I doubt that Afro will make this villain until VUACS is complete... could be wrong though...

Anyways. I vote: Outsider! Specifically, Deity... Oh, yes.

Zeta Kai
2008-11-27, 08:04 PM
Ah, finally. I can vote on something again. Ooze, FTW. :smallbiggrin:

Juhn
2008-11-27, 08:04 PM
Dieties have creature types?

And Zeta, we already inflicted that on you once. Surely that was enough?

Ekeralos
2008-11-27, 08:06 PM
Elemental because it would be awesome

Krimm_Blackleaf
2008-11-27, 08:11 PM
I vote Construct.

puppyavenger
2008-11-27, 08:42 PM
Ver-win!

PUNS FOR WIN!

Reverent-One
2008-11-27, 09:05 PM
Construct.

boomwolf
2008-11-27, 09:36 PM
Vermin for the plain wierdness of such a "boss" (swarm pwese?)

Shadow_Elf
2008-11-27, 09:44 PM
Ah, I can vote! What a refreshing experience. I vote...

Vermin!

(I just remembered something. In case anyone's wondering, the result of VUAM4e2 probably will not be made anytime soon, unless there's a break in the stream of VUACS homebrews. Sorry for any disappointments, but I only do this to ensure the best possible product is produced by both vote ups)

Szilard
2008-11-27, 09:47 PM
Construct.

afroakuma
2008-11-27, 09:47 PM
:smallfurious: Someone said a bad thing. Find that person and beat them with reeds.

Those of you who followed Zeta's ooze thread know what this thing is.

On a side note, cool, even Krimm's voting!


Undead villains are always evil.

Your statement. I fixed it.


I demand a construct with legitimate motivation!

My Inevitables thread. Find them. Enjoy them.


Vermin don't lend themselves well to villainy. Let's see if Afro can do his magic with them.

Oh yes. I haz teh power.


Idle wondering: Don't you get worn out by constant production of awesome? Won't you crash into the writer's block if you keep this pace?

Are you kidding? This is slow for me. I've got several more pet projects on the go off-forum. I prefer these because I can work with deadlines.


To be honest, I was expecting this to be put on hold until VUACS was over. I certainly hope running too many things at once won't negatively affect the quality of any of the finished products...

I basically just stare at this thread once an hour and tally votes for five or six days. I have plenty of time.


I doubt it. I doubt that Afro will make this villain until VUACS is complete... could be wrong though...

If only it was originally from this thread, I would use it. You know what I refer to.

And no, I will in fact make this villain on schedule.


And Zeta, we already inflicted that on you once. Surely that was enough?

You'd think he'd learn.

Reath
2008-11-27, 10:16 PM
Let me guess: They suggested Swarms.

blackspeeker
2008-11-27, 10:27 PM
Vermin if only so I can have a villain who can literally cover my players in bees...

afroakuma
2008-11-27, 10:29 PM
Let me guess: They suggested Swarms.

Yep. :smallmad:

Lord_Gareth
2008-11-27, 10:45 PM
Inevitables do not have legitimate motivation - they're I, Robot with MOAR NAZI, not intelligent beings with free will, and I refuse to acknowledge them as such.

afroakuma
2008-11-27, 10:53 PM
My inevitables also have MOAR DAKKA. :smallbiggrin:

Juhn
2008-11-27, 10:53 PM
I basically just stare at this thread once an hour and tally votes for five or six days. I have plenty of time.

That is a good point. Still, can't fault me for looking out for your mental well-being. At least, not unless you really feel like being an arse for no reason.

For the record, I voted vermin and I have no interest in having it be a swarm if my preferred option gets through. Nothing wrong with the possibility of it having a hive on its side somewhere, but following it everywhere? Nah. I also think Hunger as a motivation would a little too obvious, but we ain't gonna know till we gets dere.

Edit: Holy crap, ninja'd with another Orkz reference.

Pronounceable
2008-11-27, 11:36 PM
I, for one, am tired of swarms. I'll be voting for a huge bug when the time comes. (You think we can have a vermin with moar dakka?)

afroakuma
2008-11-27, 11:39 PM
I've seen Starship Troopers. I've played Starcraft.

There can definetely be vermin with MOAR DAKKA.

Shades of Gray
2008-11-27, 11:46 PM
Constructs are cool.

afroakuma
2008-11-27, 11:59 PM
I'll keep this one running until I wake up tomorrow, then turnover and resume the usual 0000 EST schedule.

Reath
2008-11-28, 12:26 AM
Wait, no brownie points for correct guessing?


/grumblegrumble

UnChosenOne
2008-11-28, 12:51 AM
I would vote Vermin. But mostlikely you are not couting my vote.

Juhn
2008-11-28, 12:52 AM
Heh, this isn't VUACS, friend.

And directed toward afroakuma: any particular reason Don't Vote Up A Monster, Vote Up A Class, and other projects not by the VUACS Build Team are not included in the list of Those Who Have Gone Before?

afroakuma
2008-11-28, 12:52 AM
That would hardly be fair of me.

And Reath: I gave a huge hint, so no.

Juhn: I just stole Zeta's links table, since I was in a hurry to socialize with some charming Italian girls. Which I then did, so hooray me. Also, one is Don't Vote, one is Vote Up A Vote Up, and both are just too meta for me to wrap my head around. Kellus' monster race was very good, though.

Vagnarok
2008-11-28, 12:56 AM
Is anyone allowed to vote here? If so I vote construct!

afroakuma
2008-11-28, 12:57 AM
The voting is always open to the whole public. If this is your first time, then welcome!

Juhn
2008-11-28, 12:58 AM
Juhn: I just stole Zeta's links table, since I was in a hurry to socialize with some charming Italian girls. Which I then did, so hooray me. Also, one is Don't Vote, one is Vote Up A Vote Up, and both are just too meta for me to wrap my head around. Kellus' monster race was very good, though.

Ah, well, that's as good a reason as any I've heard. Still, I don't think they'd mind the extra publicity.

starwoof
2008-11-28, 12:59 AM
I think construct still has a chance to win this so I vote for vermin!

Vagnarok
2008-11-28, 01:03 AM
The voting is always open to the whole public. If this is your first time, then welcome!

Why thank you!

afroakuma
2008-11-28, 01:04 AM
Ah, well, that's as good a reason as any I've heard.

What, Italian girls? :smallbiggrin:


Still, I don't think they'd mind the extra publicity.

I watched Kellus' thread. It thrived quite well.

Guru's still homebrewing his, so I think at the moment he actually would mind the extra publicity, oddly enough.

I may add a separate spoiler for the "meta" VUA's. Not right this minute, though. It's late.

Juhn
2008-11-28, 01:09 AM
What, Italian girls? :smallbiggrin:

Yessir.

And I'd just figured you folks had a tendency to get the word out for each other.

But yeah, it's late, and the only reason I brought that part up again was because my post was too short.

afroakuma
2008-11-28, 01:12 AM
It's a shame they're leaving in five days. Buon natale, ragazze.

And yes, we certainly aim to spread the word. It helps get people more active in voting.

Lord Mancow
2008-11-28, 01:19 AM
I vote construct.

UnChosenOne
2008-11-28, 01:26 AM
It helps get people more active in voting.

United with mindcontorol by worldwide conspiracy's psionist-army that can't cause any good.

Athaniar
2008-11-28, 05:49 AM
I put my vote on construct.

afroakuma
2008-11-28, 11:48 AM
Turnover is shortly... need some deciding votes, folks!

Heliomance
2008-11-28, 12:28 PM
WHERE IS THE SWARM OPTION AFRO WE NEED A SWARM VILLAIN BECAUSE IT WOULD BE TOTALLY SWEET

*cough*
Otherwise, Vermin

Emperor Demonking
2008-11-28, 12:30 PM
Going with Construct

UnChosenOne
2008-11-28, 01:03 PM
What will you atroakuma do if the vermin and construct have same amount of votes at the end. Would the villain be the verminconstruct (or constructvermin) or do you select between them?

PS. WE NEED MORE SWARM'S!!!!

afroakuma
2008-11-28, 01:04 PM
I would have to select between them, yes. Which I hope to avoid doing, but then those two went one each.


Someone cast the bloody deciding vote so that I don't have to!

Athaniar
2008-11-28, 01:11 PM
Perhaps you could do a mixed-type creature? A cyborg vermin?

Copacetic
2008-11-28, 01:13 PM
Vermin. There. Tie-Breaker.

afroakuma
2008-11-28, 01:14 PM
Done.

And no.

No mix.

afroakuma
2008-11-28, 01:25 PM
Alright, the winning type is Vermin!

On a side note: Really? Rats aren't vermin? I have a mother who'd beg to disagree.

Huh. So it's only bugs. Weird.

Okay, well, at any rate, I need you to vote for this creature's Species!

UnChosenOne
2008-11-28, 01:30 PM
Unique (Insect)

Lord_Gareth
2008-11-28, 01:45 PM
Unique (Insect).

In other news, Vermin being immune to mind-based spells? Bull. I demand intelligent spiders!

Debihuman
2008-11-28, 01:54 PM
Well gosh darn it, I missed out on voting for a type again, but vermin is cool. I vote for Unique Insect.

Debby

starwoof
2008-11-28, 02:10 PM
Unique SOMETHING WORSE.:smallbiggrin:

Reath
2008-11-28, 02:23 PM
I almost want to vote for Locust swarm, but...

Unique (Something Worse) was just too tempting!

Athaniar
2008-11-28, 02:28 PM
Unique (Something Worse) sounds too interesting not to take.

Rockbird
2008-11-28, 02:30 PM
Unique (Something Worse). Because there always needs to be something worse.

Fako
2008-11-28, 02:30 PM
Unique(Something Worse)

I can't help but think of Starship Troopers when I read that...

Juhn
2008-11-28, 02:38 PM
Rats are rodents, not vermin. Though, I'm pretty sure vermin is just a derogatory term for anything disgusting and/or disease-ridden.

Assuming Unique (Something Worse) means we'll end up with something Zerg-like, I vote Unique (Insect). Some insects can be pretty darn terrifying though. Bullet ants, anyone? *Shudder* Bot-flies?

afroakuma
2008-11-28, 03:01 PM
Vermin is a term applied to various animal species regarded as pests or nuisances and especially to those associated with the carrying of disease.

In common parlance, I have never heard the word used to describe anything other than a rodent.

TheCheshireHat
2008-11-28, 03:06 PM
How could I possibly not vote for Unique (something Worse)?

Zeta Kai
2008-11-28, 03:23 PM
I really like where the bandwagon is going, so I shall vote for Unique (Something Worse).

Pronounceable
2008-11-28, 03:41 PM
Afro, I hereby accuse you of fixing the votes. How can anyone not vote on something worse? You could've dropped the pretense of democracy and said "I got an awesome unique thingy in mind." And we would've said: "Cool!"

Vermin is any critter that causes grief to humanity (rats, locusts, mosquitos, children...) afaik.


And I, for one, welcome our new insectoid overlord.

EDIT: Do we need moar dakka? I'm sure we need moar dakka.

afroakuma
2008-11-28, 03:45 PM
I restored the pretense of democracy by also offering Unique (Swarm).

I actually don't have anything in mind. That will wait.

And yes, we always need moar dakka. Only the gods have enuff dakka.

Vexxation
2008-11-28, 04:41 PM
Unique (Something Worse) all the way.

Reverent-One
2008-11-28, 05:16 PM
Bandwagon jumping ahoy! Unique (Something Worse)

Vagnarok
2008-11-28, 05:55 PM
Unique: Something Worse I'll be darned if I have a freakin rat as my vote up villian.

The something worse should totally be a construct. lol

puppyavenger
2008-11-28, 05:57 PM
unique something worse!

afroakuma
2008-11-28, 06:01 PM
There's no chance of a rat. And it will not be a construct. That is all.

puppyavenger
2008-11-28, 06:07 PM
hmmm, even if we made it's motivation logic?

afroakuma
2008-11-28, 06:09 PM
Yep. Even then.

Also of note: Class will be skipped. Alignment will be skipped.

Juhn
2008-11-28, 06:13 PM
Alignment will be skipped? So, there's no chance of this being an intelligent insect?

Well, that's just boring then. I mean, come on, the plant got an alignment and it was a freaking plant.

Reath
2008-11-28, 06:14 PM
At least the voting process'll be rather short, comparatively.

Means the villian comes sooner! :smallbiggrin:

Juhn
2008-11-28, 06:16 PM
I still want my alignment vote. Skipping the class makes sense, but if the plant got an alignment, then...

LordZarth
2008-11-28, 06:17 PM
Yep. Even then.

Also of note: Class will be skipped. Alignment will be skipped.

Alignment will be skipped? So, there's no chance of this being an intelligent insect?

Juhn, it can still be Neutral and have no classes and be intelligent.

I vote Unique (Something Worse). Afroakuma, I don't know if you've already decided on this, but can it PLEASE be some sort of swarm ONLY IN THE SENSE of a hive mind?

As in, something worse and unique but not necessarily ruling out insect or swarm (the other options)?

Copacetic
2008-11-28, 06:23 PM
Unique(Something Better)



*cough*


Unique (Something Worse)

afroakuma
2008-11-28, 06:29 PM
Alignment will be skipped? So, there's no chance of this being an intelligent insect?

Well, that's just boring then. I mean, come on, the plant got an alignment and it was a freaking plant.

Part and parcel of the Vermin type. Vermin are mindless. Otherwise it would be an aberration or magical beast.

Doesn't mean it isn't clever. Just means you won't be able to talk to it.

Anyone want to contest this?


Afroakuma, I don't know if you've already decided on this, but can it PLEASE be some sort of swarm ONLY IN THE SENSE of a hive mind?

As in, something worse and unique but not necessarily ruling out insect or swarm (the other options)?

...are you trying to vote for three options?


Unique(Something Better)


...you want it to be less creepy?

LordZarth
2008-11-28, 06:38 PM
...are you trying to vote for three options?


Er... yes, kind of?

Let me rephrase all that: Afroakuma, don't forget that 'Unique (Something Worse)' doesn't necessarily rule out any of the other options. It just... amplifies them.

Also, I said: to what extent you're taking suggestions, may we haz hive mindz?

afroakuma
2008-11-28, 06:40 PM
Er... yes, kind of?

Bad. Bad Zarth.


Let me rephrase all that: Afroakuma, don't forget that 'Unique (Something Worse)' necessarily rules out all of the other options.

Unless it can be both unique and a giant bombardier beetle, you lost that argument before ever coming up with it.


Also, I said: to what extent you're taking suggestions, may we haz hive mindz?

You don't want a hive mind. The thing that I'm considering would be beyond terrifying if it operated with a hive mind.

Juhn
2008-11-28, 06:49 PM
Vermin are mindless.

...So are plants, if I'm not mistaken, and that one got an alignment. It was also incapable of talking unless it posessed someone, from what I remember. It was still Neutral Evil, though.

bue52
2008-11-28, 06:50 PM
Unique(Something worse) is always better for a villain, surprise us please.

afroakuma
2008-11-28, 06:51 PM
Nope, Plants are not mindless. Not to mention, I can find WotC published plants with alignments and Intelligence scores. If you can find me a WotC published Vermin with an Intelligence score and non-Neutral alignment, I'll consider it.

Juhn
2008-11-28, 06:57 PM
...Technically speaking, you're probably right. The idea that insects are necessarily mindless while plants are not strikes me as idiocy, though.

Insects have brains and nervous systems, rudimentary though they may be, while plants do not.

afroakuma
2008-11-28, 06:59 PM
The idea that a nonmagical plant could be a monster strikes me as idiocy.

Plant as a type is the equivalent of Magical Beast.

Juhn
2008-11-28, 07:00 PM
So you're telling me an intelligent insect is a Magical Beast?

LordZarth
2008-11-28, 07:05 PM
Bad. Bad Zarth.
:smallredface:



Unless it can be both unique and a giant bombardier beetle, you lost that argument before ever coming up with it.

No, no. I mean that just because it's unique, doesn't mean it's not an insect or a swarm. Obviously not a unique [insert specific]. :smallbiggrin:



You don't want a hive mind. The thing that I'm considering would be beyond terrifying if it operated with a hive mind.

Ok! If you already have a pro Afro-idea(tm), then roll with it. Please. :D

Lord Mancow
2008-11-28, 07:07 PM
Unique (Something Worse).:smallamused:


Hey Look! Its a city!


OM NOM NOM

afroakuma
2008-11-28, 07:10 PM
So you're telling me an intelligent insect is a Magical Beast?

Or an Aberration. Perhaps even an Animal, if it's only 1 or 2. But by definition it can't be a Vermin.

Juhn
2008-11-28, 07:16 PM
...So, if I wanted an intelligent insect neither of us knows how I should vote?

Somehow it strikes me as odd that nobody's made one of those before.

Saint Nil
2008-11-28, 07:17 PM
Ah, I've missed this.

Unique(Something Worse) Please.

Fako
2008-11-28, 07:24 PM
Unique (Something Worse).:smallamused:


Hey Look! Its a city!


OM NOM NOM

I agree :smallbiggrin:
And this is probably why Unique(Something Worse) is going to win.

Juhn
2008-11-28, 07:25 PM
Hmm. Abberations are generally things that are unnatural and should not exist even in a monster-filled world of D&D. I'm thinking an intelligent insect doesn't quite defy classification enough to be considered an Abberation. I've looked at things like Stirges and Spider-Eaters, and those are considered Magical Beasts, but they appear to be some combination of insect and some other type of animal.

And, well, Animals aren't intelligent enough to have alignments either.

afroakuma
2008-11-28, 07:40 PM
Here's a question: what do you want it to do with that intelligence? How much intelligence do you want it to have?

Juhn
2008-11-28, 07:45 PM
I just mostly want to be able to determine its alignment.

As it stands it won't even be able to understand its own motivation, if it's utterly mindless. Unless that motivation is hunger, or survival, or something.

Lord_Gareth
2008-11-28, 07:46 PM
It can do whatever the hell it wants with its intelligence, but the thing is, you don't have a villain without intelligence - a mindless villain is not a villain, it's just a beast. It has no real motivation, no real "villain factor".

afroakuma
2008-11-28, 07:55 PM
It can do whatever the hell it wants with its intelligence

The question was to examine what sort of type you actually want.


I just mostly want to be able to determine its alignment.

You want to slow this contest for a day? I can't risk you guys giving me something stupid like Lawful Good. I don't have enough latitude with a mindless villain to justify that.


As it stands it won't even be able to understand its own motivation, if it's utterly mindless. Unless that motivation is hunger, or survival, or something.

Or unless it was originally some other kind of creature...


but the thing is, you don't have a villain without intelligence - a mindless villain is not a villain, it's just a beast. It has no real motivation, no real "villain factor".

*shrug* I didn't pick Vermin. The type description clearly states that any creature of the Vermin type is mindless. Even if I could find an Intelligence-raising template to apply without changing its type, it wouldn't make it non-mindless because a Vermin has Int as a nonability.

Lord_Gareth
2008-11-28, 08:02 PM
Afro, I said it to Zeta, and I'll say it to you -

YOU ARE A GODDAMN HOMEBREWER! SCREW THE ESTABLISHED RULES AND DO WHAT YOU WANT!

Vermin have int as a nonability? Screw it. Not yours. Why? YOU HOMEBREW. The ENTIRE POINT of homebrew is that YOU CAN MAKE WHAT YOU WANT. Want a giant, intelligent spider? GIVE IT INTELLIGENCE.

C'mon people, seriously. Don't post on a homebrew board and then say RAW restrains you. We are RAW's natural predator. Go chew it up and spit it out.

afroakuma
2008-11-28, 08:07 PM
YOU ARE A GODDAMN HOMEBREWER! SCREW THE ESTABLISHED RULES AND DO WHAT YOU WANT!

Exactly. And what I want is to operate within the constraints that have been presented to me.


Vermin have int as a nonability? Screw it. Not yours. Why? YOU HOMEBREW. The ENTIRE POINT of homebrew is that YOU CAN MAKE WHAT YOU WANT. Want a giant, intelligent spider? GIVE IT INTELLIGENCE.

The point of this contest is to give me constraints from which to produce something excellent.


C'mon people, seriously. Don't post on a homebrew board and then say RAW restrains you. We are RAW's natural predator. Go chew it up and spit it out.

Again: answer me this question. What do you want the intelligent spider to do with its intelligence? And what kind of Int score do you want it to have?

Lord_Gareth
2008-11-28, 08:09 PM
That really depends. The whole point of a villain is concious choice - they CHOOSE the villanous behavior. It has to be intelligent enough to recognize that what it does is, if not directly harmful, at least unfair to the other party (see your Fey villain). I'd say Int 6 is a minimum for any truly villainous creature, with 10 being better overall.

As for what it does, you can take it all kinds of ways. Aragog from Harry Potter, for example, was a wise man who lead his community. He also wanted to eat people. Personally, I'd be fascinated with a eudurite insect.

afroakuma
2008-11-28, 08:13 PM
Aragog was a Magical Beast.

Let me give you an example of a Vermin villain:

A former devotee of Lolth made a terrible error that led her to be turned into a drider. Despite this, she acquired arcane power through which she amassed a following of drow. The vindictive goddess waited two years, until the drider's great speech before her attack on Lolth's city. Suddenly, the drider's head split open, turning into a spider's head. Her limbs cracked, revealing spider limbs, and her torso swelled and puffed. As she clawed at herself, shrieking all the while, she felt her intelligence dwindle to nothing. With the shred of awareness that remained, the monstrous spider identified the warm-blooded creatures in front of it as its absolute foes and devoted itself to preying on them to the exclusion of all else.

Pronounceable
2008-11-28, 08:27 PM
Afro, why don't you look for a job in gaming industry? You're obviously capable of creating top quality content, which you should be forced to do. For the good of society of course...

afroakuma
2008-11-28, 08:31 PM
Someone point me in the direction of one or offer me one, I will take it.

I mean, it's not like I do anything else with my free time:

Vote Up A Campaign Setting
Vote Up A Villain
my new 3.X PbP game
Beastlands 4

along with doing preliminary work on a never-to-be-actually-sent-out television screenplay for my military conspiracy plot, MIA.

Lord_Gareth
2008-11-28, 08:35 PM
I hold firm in my stance that a mindless foe is an antagonist, not a villain.

afroakuma
2008-11-28, 08:40 PM
I hold firm in my stance that a naturally thinking, planning insect is not a Vermin.

Answer me this, both of you: is it just the alignment vote you're mad about or do you actually want this creature to have an Int score?

Lord_Gareth
2008-11-28, 08:42 PM
I don't care if this thing is saturday-morning-cartoon "I'll get you Captain Planet" evil; my concern is the intelligence of the creature.

afroakuma
2008-11-28, 08:44 PM
And you can't see a way in which an unintelligent creature could end up being a villain?

Lord_Gareth
2008-11-28, 08:46 PM
I can see it as an antagonist, but not a villain. As I said before, villainy requires choice, which in turn requires intelligence. A hungry spider is not a villain, it's merely an antagonist, and is, in fact, fairly innocent. There's nothing interesting about such a creature.

EDIT - Also, why are vermin mindless? As the proud owner of several spiders, I can tell you that they're quite cunning and, indeed, have personalities and preferences.

Reath
2008-11-28, 08:47 PM
So... you're just arguing the Semantics of it.

afroakuma
2008-11-28, 08:52 PM
I can see it as an antagonist, but not a villain. As I said before, villainy requires choice, which in turn requires intelligence. A hungry spider is not a villain, it's merely an antagonist, and is, in fact, fairly innocent. There's nothing interesting about such a creature.

EDIT - Also, why are vermin mindless? As the proud owner of several spiders, I can tell you that they're quite cunning and, indeed, have personalities and preferences.

Personality is Charisma. Experience is Wisdom. Communication, non-experiential abstractive rationing, those are Intelligence.

My last attempt to sway you: the Murska (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5258046#post5258046). The original fluff (which I did not reproduce) had some murska gaining an addiction to the intellect of other creatures. Making them into strange, effective villains.

Lord_Gareth
2008-11-28, 08:59 PM
Not buying it, Afro - it's an animal with a really horrid sanguine animism side-effect. Villains choose. Mindless beings do not. Your creature does not choose, it simply preys. That's not interesting, and that's not a villain.

EDIT - Obviously my own opinion and interpretations of the term "villain", in case I'm coming off as too pushy. Sorry.

afroakuma
2008-11-28, 09:01 PM
As I said, the version presented there does not. However, some of them come to acquire a taste for intelligence and decide they need to keep having it. In other words, they choose (while intelligent) to remain so at the expense of other beings, becoming more selective in their choice of prey to acquire peak intelligence. Would that not (by your definition) fall under villainy?

Lord_Gareth
2008-11-28, 09:05 PM
Only after it's aquired that intelligence, at which point it's broken the precious type-rules you want to adhere to so badly, which would make THIS ENTIRE ARGUMENT COMPLETELY MOOT. Your villain has intelligence - it makes a choice because of that intelligence. Indeed, it makes the choice because it doesn't want to go back to being a mindless nothing. Mindless nothings? Not villains, and neither is your creature until it gains a mind.

afroakuma
2008-11-28, 09:08 PM
Only after it's aquired that intelligence, at which point it's broken the precious type-rules you want to adhere to so badly

Untrue. Since it has no native intellect, it is still a Vermin, even when using the stolen intellect of another.

Lord_Gareth
2008-11-28, 09:12 PM
The rest of my point still stands - your villain is only a villain after aquiring thought, and not a single moment before.

afroakuma
2008-11-28, 09:14 PM
*shrug* but its type is still Vermin.

So, what you're arguing is essentially that Vermin and Animal should not be available as voting types?

Lord_Gareth
2008-11-28, 09:21 PM
No, I'm saying that vermin needn't be mindless. Animal is perfectly viable - see Awaken Animal; hell, see a cat-sized Headband of Intellect. As far as vermin goes, just hack off the arbitrarily placed mindlessness and then run with it.

afroakuma
2008-11-28, 09:24 PM
An awakened animal is a Magical Beast. Which, I believe, was my original point.

Lord_Gareth
2008-11-28, 09:26 PM
A cat wearing a Headband of Intellect, however, is not.

If you insist on Vermin being mindless than yes, I don't believe it to be legitimate villain material.

afroakuma
2008-11-28, 09:38 PM
If you insist on Vermin being mindless than yes, I don't believe it to be legitimate villain material.

As I said, part of the fun of this contest - for me - is to try to work with unusual constraints. An evil plant whose primary motivation is love? I got away with it.

I could certainly remove the Mindless trait - even RAW gives me that option. I preferred, however, to try to create a compelling villain with that trait intact.

Moreover, the argument started because I chose to rescind the Alignment vote:


I just mostly want to be able to determine its alignment.

Which is less eloquent an argument than yours.

Lord_Gareth
2008-11-28, 09:41 PM
Eh, technically intelligence means alignment, but I don't really care about that.

(And a plant that loves is rediculous, but completely possible. Hell, ever watched The Last Unicorn? There's precedent.)

afroakuma
2008-11-28, 09:47 PM
Eh, technically intelligence means alignment, but I don't really care about that.

If I allow intelligence I have to allow the alignment vote.


(And a plant that loves is rediculous, but completely possible. Hell, ever watched The Last Unicorn? There's precedent.)

Haven't.

Reverent-One
2008-11-28, 09:56 PM
If I allow intelligence I have to allow the alignment vote.

I believe his point is he doesn't care about the alignment vote, but he wants a "real" villian, not a non-intelligent creature. Which I agree would be more of a monster than a villian.

And what is the problem with it having Int exactly? It doesn't count as vermin then? Are you saying there are specific rules for intelligent plants then, since the maiden's weeping had Int?

afroakuma
2008-11-28, 09:59 PM
I'm saying that by RAW definition, Vermin normally have the Mindless trait, which in turn gives me license to go nuts with its abilities. Alternately, I could rescind Mindless but get a pretty mundane creature. A combination of no Mindless trait and fun abilities makes it a Magical Beast or Aberration. If I go that route, someone's going to come along and lambast me for it, which I'd rather experience directed towards myself ahead of time than to the result of a five-day poll.

Lord_Gareth
2008-11-28, 10:02 PM
Then RAW-defined Vermin are not villains, and I submit that they should not be allowed in future votes.

afroakuma
2008-11-28, 10:06 PM
Then RAW-defined Vermin are not villains, and I submit that they should not be allowed in future votes.

Told you so.

You missed my point entirely:


I'm saying that by RAW definition, Vermin normally have the Mindless trait, which in turn gives me license to go nuts with its abilities.

In other words, I get what I want, which is the crazy menacing powers.


Alternately, I could rescind Mindless but get a pretty mundane creature.

Also still a Vermin. Does what you want, doesn't do what I want. Could still be a villain, but it would bore the tar out of me.

Lord_Gareth
2008-11-28, 10:15 PM
If you wanna go crazy abilities but keep Mindless, then make it Vote Up a Monster. The thread title at the moment, however, says "villain", and that's what I'll ask for until/unless you change it.

Also, Bladed Blob.

afroakuma
2008-11-28, 10:25 PM
Yeah, that's a great way to win points, mentioning that thing.

FYI, the original plan was for a parasitic apiforme that harvested and networked with mammalian brains, essentially using the neural hive (hive mind, I'm so clever) to develop and execute its villainous designs while still not having its own intellect. However, since you've argued against a similar ability, that has been jettisoned.

Juhn
2008-11-28, 10:31 PM
Notice that I stopped arguing a while ago.

Heliomance
2008-11-28, 10:32 PM
Bad. Bad Zarth.
You don't want a hive mind. The thing that I'm considering would be beyond terrifying if it operated with a hive mind.

HIVE MIND! HIVE MIND! After a promise like that, how can we not want a hive mind?

Unique (Something Worse). With a hive mind!

Lord_Gareth
2008-11-28, 10:34 PM
Notice that I stopped arguing a while ago.

I was debating. Arguments have Moar Cussing, Less Reasoning.

Shadow_Elf
2008-11-28, 10:34 PM
Can I vote for Drider? They are half spider, and I can see one of them actually being a villain.

Failing that, my friend, I think I will have to support the bandwagon and watch your homebrew magic whip-up Something Worse

Juhn
2008-11-28, 10:37 PM
*sigh*

I acknowledge that yes, I voted for Vermin, yes, Vermin are apparently Always Mindless, and Vermin won, meaning that According To The Votes, this creature should be Mindless. To be honest I like the idea you had going afroakuma. I'm sorry that I got sidetracked before this argument got so out-of-hand and am only seeing the full extent of the damage now.

I apologize for starting this debacle, afroakuma.

LordZarth
2008-11-28, 10:39 PM
FYI, the original plan was for a parasitic apiforme that harvested and networked with mammalian brains, essentially using the neural hive (hive mind, I'm so clever) to develop and execute its villainous designs while still not having its own intellect. However, since you've argued against a similar ability, that has been jettisoned.

Um, no please. As in, please don't jettison.

You convinced me. You have(?) convinced Juhn (well, he isn't arguing).

Hell, I wanted a hive-mind swarm of insects who were darn scary (the [Something Worse]).

Then you said no, you had a better idea. I believed you. You're Afroakuma. You make awesome homebrew. Er, don't give up your idea 'cause of one guy.

Seriously: we might have our own ideas, but I defer to you. Even if we can't come up with a mindless villain, you can.

Heliomance
2008-11-28, 10:39 PM
Yeah, that's a great way to win points, mentioning that thing.

FYI, the original plan was for a parasitic apiforme that harvested and networked with mammalian brains, essentially using the neural hive (hive mind, I'm so clever) to develop and execute its villainous designs while still not having its own intellect. However, since you've argued against a similar ability, that has been jettisoned.


That sounds awesome. Ignore the naysayers, run with it.

afroakuma
2008-11-28, 10:40 PM
*sigh*

I acknowledge that yes, I voted for Vermin, yes, Vermin are apparently Always Mindless, and Vermin won, meaning that According To The Votes, this creature should be Mindless. To be honest I like the idea you had going afroakuma. I'm sorry that I got sidetracked before this argument got so out-of-hand and am only seeing the full extent of the damage now.

I apologize for starting this debacle, afroakuma.

The type you were really looking for (which was the stirge's original type) is Beast, which no longer exists.

Anyways, since I've junked that idea, Alignment is back on. Class will, not be, though.

Juhn
2008-11-28, 10:47 PM
Well, I liked that idea.

I do have a free homebrew request kicking around that I don't know what to do with, and it's possible a few people here would like to see that thing in its final form...

But I think I'll wait to see how this goes first. There's nothing that says the new bug can't be awesome as well, and then I don't know if people are gonna want to see two of em. (Not to mention you might not want to do two in a row).

Anyway, this is my fault for not checking my MM appendix before voting. Most of my "argument" was just me being incredulous over such an apparently arbitrary distinction on WotC's part.

Again, sorry about this. If vermin has been stricken now then I feel like I've caused irreparable damage to the voting process, or something.

Lord_Gareth
2008-11-28, 10:49 PM
Don't beat yourself up Juhn. I'm the one who kept pushing about it. Mind you, I don't feel sorry about it; Afro can run with his original idea elsewhere. But don't blame yourself.

afroakuma
2008-11-28, 10:55 PM
Obviously my own opinion and interpretations of the term "villain", in case I'm coming off as too pushy. Sorry.

You were apologetic here but not now? What changed? The fact that I conceded?

Juhn
2008-11-28, 10:56 PM
...I thought this argument was over. >_<

Lord_Gareth
2008-11-28, 10:57 PM
You were apologetic here but not now? What changed? The fact that I conceded?

...I don't like other people taking credit for what I do? In all seriousness, I don't particularly feel remorse over it except in terms of causing inconvenience to the community.

afroakuma
2008-11-28, 11:07 PM
While I do appreciate your input on this and other polls, Lord_Gareth, your tone just came off as really annoying for most of this debate:


Only after it's aquired that intelligence, at which point it's broken the precious type-rules you want to adhere to so badly

I believe I was fair in explaining why I want to adhere to the rules of the type, namely because I put a lot of effort into running this contest and crafting a decent villain, and it's really disappointing to have someone nitpick a structural defect after the fact that would devalue or deconstruct the design. Hence, I'm trying to pre-empt that.

I felt that I had a legitimate idea for a mindless villain - if I didn't think I could do something to the public's satisfaction, I would not offer it as an option.

If we could all try to keep it civil here in future posts, that'd be great.

Pronounceable
2008-11-28, 11:12 PM
Though I find myself vaguely agreeing that a mindless critter can't exactly be a villain, it's moot. Afro's chosen to abide by RAW and this is his gig. If he ultimately fails to make a compelling villain out of the restrictions imposed on him, then we can harp on him. (This seems unlikely from his track record)


That said, Bladed Blob.

afroakuma
2008-11-28, 11:15 PM
*sigh*

Well, whatever. Lord_Gareth had his opinions, I have mine. I'm kowtowing to the demands of alignment, so I need to give it an Int score in any event. If he feels that he has nothing to apologize for, then that's his call.

We have 45 minutes left until I pull this vote and start CR. Anybody who's still here for the polling and not the drama, this is your chance.

Shadow_Elf
2008-11-28, 11:56 PM
Afro, you might have skipped over my post during your "argument", but I asked if Driders, and for that matter Scorpow, would be votable options. Do these work?

afroakuma
2008-11-28, 11:58 PM
Ah; no, I'm afraid not. Driders are aberrations. If they weren't, they'd be Monstrous Humanoid (which I'm somewhat surprised they aren't, but I understand why the developers chose to do that.)

Reath
2008-11-29, 12:00 AM
And lo, the vote on CR begins?

Juhn
2008-11-29, 12:00 AM
Wait, they're not Monstrous Humanoids?

Wow, I'm really off with the Types lately aren't I?

afroakuma
2008-11-29, 12:02 AM
Alright, the results are in, and by a landslide (and didn't I know it :smallwink:) the winner is Unique (Something Worse)

So, now this vile vermin needs its Challenge Rating!

Juhn
2008-11-29, 12:05 AM
I'm torn. From what I remember, we've had nothing but really high CRs for VUAV so far, so I'm inclined to vote for something below "holy crap we're gonna die".

But then, it's got "something worse" right in the title and if that's not ominous I don't know what is.

Reverent-One
2008-11-29, 12:11 AM
CR 7 It's vermin, it should be lower on the CR track.

Shadow_Elf
2008-11-29, 12:31 AM
CR 8. Because if you tackle 8 hard enough, you end up with a very upset infinity :smallbiggrin:.

Reath
2008-11-29, 12:34 AM
Well, I have no idea what CR really -means-, for all intents and purposes, aisde from the higher it is the harder the monster, so...
4! 8!

... what? I like the number four. eight.

(Wait, is CR the effective level of the monster?)

Hey, bandwagons are fun. They play music, n'all.

afroakuma
2008-11-29, 12:35 AM
Close to it, often. CR 4 can be handled easily by a standard Level 4 party.

bue52
2008-11-29, 12:43 AM
Hmmmm 8 seems like a good number for a typical boss, well..... I dunno why I'll pick 8 but I will.

Zeta Kai
2008-11-29, 12:43 AM
Officially, a CR4 monster would cost a party of four 4th-level characters approximately 25% of their resources.

Also, I vote for CR11.

Lastly, I'd like to start a two-page debate about how the OP is wrong & his choices should be invalidated. :smallwink:

puppyavenger
2008-11-29, 12:50 AM
Challenge rating eight

afroakuma
2008-11-29, 12:51 AM
Lastly, I'd like to start a two-page debate about how the OP is wrong & his choices should be invalidated. :smallwink:

Yeah, you just want to steal another discarded idea. Idea-stealer-guy. :smallyuk:

Reath
2008-11-29, 12:55 AM
:smallamused:


I think that you can't have a villian as 'Somethign worse', because it falls into the cliche of a villian who is a completly enigma to the characters, and not anything worse. I meamn, who wants to have a character say 'At least it won't get any worse and have a 'Something Worse' come around the corner? its a bad pun, not villanous. Besides, I think that the characters need to intimately know the villian for it to be a villian, not just write it off as a generalization!

Zeta Kai
2008-11-29, 12:56 AM
Yeah, you just want to steal another discarded idea. Idea-stealer-guy. :smallyuk:

Hey, if I wanted to use my own ideas, I never would have started this whole Vote Up A Whatever thing in the first place. :smallwink:

afroakuma
2008-11-29, 12:58 AM
http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/MotP/Far_Realm_Entity.jpg

That, I think, qualifies as a "Something Worse." Doesn't get much worse than one of those.

That said, "Something Worse" was meant to indicate something scarier than an insect or swarm. I's gonna deliver. :belkar:

Reath
2008-11-29, 01:01 AM
:smalleek:

That...

That's definitely something worse.

afroakuma
2008-11-29, 01:06 AM
:belkar:

That one always wins.

Owrtho
2008-11-29, 01:27 AM
CR 10, not too much, but a good bit in so it can really be scary.

Owrtho

UnChosenOne
2008-11-29, 01:34 AM
http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/MotP/Far_Realm_Entity.jpg


Cute. Very cute.

CR 8 is what i vote.

Owrtho
2008-11-29, 01:52 AM
Random thought (and I realize it isn't time to vote for it yet), but I think it would be fun if the villan was motivated by the weather (or maby it changed with the weather). So, what would that fit into?

Owrtho

afroakuma
2008-11-29, 01:57 AM
Er... what does the weather motivate it to do? And why?

Owrtho
2008-11-29, 02:15 AM
You know, some people (or things) can be sensitive to it. So it's kinda like, "Hmm, it looks a little overcast, guess the boss will want to raid another village. At least it isn't snowing. Then we'd have to give the loot to the needy..."

Owrtho

Pronounceable
2008-11-29, 10:35 AM
CR 13. For luck. And I like 13.

And some wierd bioiogical condition that allows weather to alter its psychological profile might be interesting. Very interesting. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.

insecure
2008-11-29, 10:42 AM
Embrace the bandwagonin'! CR 8!

Shadow_Elf
2008-11-29, 12:15 PM
Yay!! I started a Bandwagon!

LordZarth
2008-11-29, 01:24 PM
CR 13, please!

Egiam
2008-11-29, 03:42 PM
7 Seems nice

Mewtarthio
2008-11-29, 04:26 PM
It's a hideous vermin of unknown type. I'm voting as high as I think it'll go, which means CR 13.

Lord Mancow
2008-11-29, 04:38 PM
CR 8 I think.

Also, a friend of mine had a huge group of monsters downloaded off of the internet and in that he had D&D rules for tyranids. Is there a difference between lacking a creative intelligence and mindless?

afroakuma
2008-11-29, 04:58 PM
If a creature can interpret apprehensive fear and respect for others, then yes, there is a difference.

vegetalss4
2008-11-29, 04:58 PM
Cr 7
fight the bandwagon

afroakuma
2008-11-29, 05:18 PM
Yeah, let's get the voting back on track, folks.

TheCheshireHat
2008-11-29, 05:23 PM
13. Nasty, but not end-of-the-world-soul-destroying-god-crushing nasty.

afroakuma
2008-11-29, 08:34 PM
You're still not going to want to face off against this thing.

afroakuma
2008-11-30, 12:02 AM
Alrighty, the (very few, what happened there?) votes are in, and the result: CR 8!

Now, our inimical insectoid needs its Alignment!

Vagnarok
2008-11-30, 12:33 AM
True Neutral!!!

Eighth_Seraph
2008-11-30, 12:39 AM
Vermin (Something Worse) goes far too easily with True Neutral and motivation: Hunger. I'd like to see something more deliberately sinister come of this.

Hrm...this is a close one, but I'm gonna go ahead and vote Neutral Evil.

LordZarth
2008-11-30, 12:48 AM
OK, guys, vote with me on this one.

Firstly: Vermin (Unique [Something Worse]) is just crying to be Evil.

But what? Lawful Evil. Lawful Evil is cool. Especially in some weirdo mindless monster. It will be like an Inevitable except Evil.

Lawful Evil. Because everybody needs scary vermin with an oddball destructive purpose.

Zeta Kai
2008-11-30, 12:53 AM
If you want destructive, then Chaotic Evil is the way to go, Zarth. We haven't had a CE villain yet, so we are due, I think.

EDIT: Come to think of it, none of us have done a CE creature. Hmmm, I smell a voting conspiracy...

Pronounceable
2008-11-30, 01:01 AM
A lawful evil insect bent on world domination would be the way to go. But we really haven't gotten a CE villain yet and it's time CE got its due.

UnChosenOne
2008-11-30, 02:26 AM
Chaotic evil. You haven't not done yet the chaotic evil villain.

Owrtho
2008-11-30, 03:35 AM
Chaotic Evil

Owrtho

Lord_Gareth
2008-11-30, 03:42 AM
Nuetral Evil ya'll ^_^

TheCheshireHat
2008-11-30, 05:17 AM
I´m thinking a Lawful Evil Vermin will be an interesting sight.

bue52
2008-11-30, 05:22 AM
Neutral Evil would be my pick.

Heliomance
2008-11-30, 05:38 AM
Lawful Good! I'll get it to happen someday!

Luean
2008-11-30, 05:43 AM
True Neutral for me, please.

Lord Mancow
2008-11-30, 06:24 AM
Chaotic Evil.

Rockbird
2008-11-30, 06:51 AM
Chaotic Evil

afroakuma
2008-11-30, 08:07 AM
It will be like an Inevitable except Evil.

Check out my old homebrews. Inexorables. Done it already.

Szilard
2008-11-30, 10:12 AM
Chaotic Neutral.

LordZarth
2008-11-30, 01:31 PM
Check out my old homebrews. Inexorables. Done it already.

Read them all through just before I saw your post, actually :)

afroakuma
2008-11-30, 01:43 PM
Hope you liked 'em. They're real jerks.

Shadow_Elf
2008-11-30, 02:14 PM
Can I vote for Any Non-Good?

Of not, then Chaotic Evil deserves the spotlight for once.

puppyavenger
2008-11-30, 02:24 PM
chaotic evil

Reath
2008-11-30, 02:29 PM
Chaotic Neutral.

afroakuma
2008-11-30, 02:35 PM
Can I vote for Any Non-Good?

Of not, then Chaotic Evil deserves the spotlight for once.

I would, but since it's a villain it's unique, and therefore has just the one alignment.

insecure
2008-11-30, 02:51 PM
Here's another one for Chaotic Evil.

Juhn
2008-11-30, 03:09 PM
It's a villainous, intelligent bug that also qualifies as Something Worse. Chaotic Evil just fits, to me, and it can have a motive other than "mindless destruction".

afroakuma
2008-11-30, 04:18 PM
Sadly, this guy's too small to be a creepier Tarrasque.

Now, the next villain... :smallamused:

Zeta Kai
2008-11-30, 04:23 PM
Sadly, this guy's too small to be a creepier Tarrasque.

Hey, we never got to vote on size... I see what you did there. :smallamused:

afroakuma
2008-11-30, 04:28 PM
Well, I was referring to CR, but no, you'll never get to vote on size.

Moreover, you missed what I actually did do there.

LordZarth
2008-11-30, 06:11 PM
Hope you liked 'em. They're real jerks.

They're cool. As in, not. As in, cool but jerks. As in, as in Hourglasses.

afroakuma
2008-11-30, 06:28 PM
One of these days I really do have to get around to the Infallibles.

LordZarth
2008-11-30, 07:17 PM
One of these days I really do have to get around to the Infallibles.

What are they?

afroakuma
2008-11-30, 07:18 PM
The good version. From Arcadia.

Shadow_Elf
2008-11-30, 07:33 PM
They're cool. As in, not. As in, cool but jerks. As in, as in Hourglasses.

Emphasis Mine.
Afro may have overlooked this, but I always check large blank spaces in posts nowadays for invisible writing.

Please do not allow the Hourglass debacle to infect the sacred grounds of Vote Up a Villain. Please keep your blasphemous comments, invisible or otherwise in the relevant thread(s). Thank You. (and next time, you're not getting off so easily)

Reath
2008-11-30, 07:36 PM
Hmm, I've got an idea.

Maybe it's motivation could be the destruction of Heretics!
And the collection of Hourglasses, too!

Pronounceable
2008-11-30, 07:39 PM
I get a feeling you voacs people will be plagued by references to hourglasses till you stop being plagued by them. And hourglasses ARE cool gizmos.

afroakuma
2008-11-30, 07:40 PM
Shadow's right. I'd rather not have an erinyes with an hourglass pursuing me until I die.


Your heads cut off.

Reath
2008-11-30, 07:42 PM
I know! What a horrible fate! One should never be pursued by people spouting the, ah, 'H' word.
Ah god! Not my head! Super-hourglass powers, activate! FLEE!

starwoof
2008-11-30, 07:44 PM
I am so sorry I suggested that name.:smalleek:

Anyway, Chaotic Evil.

afroakuma
2008-11-30, 07:58 PM
With apologies to those whom I will be disenfranchising, I'm going to rotate the poll early tonight: One hour from this post.

Wouldn't do it, but that some evil person scheduled me in for work at 0600 EST (Normal turnover is at 0000 EST, and I take 30 minutes to get to work.)

Mewtarthio
2008-11-30, 09:00 PM
Then let me get in my Neutral vote before it closes! I know it won't win, but this is still a democracy!

afroakuma
2008-11-30, 09:01 PM
Just made it in, Mewtarthio.

Alright, due to the early turnover, this one's closed as Chaotic Evil!

Now, this nightmarish nemesis needs its Primary Motivation!

Eighth_Seraph
2008-11-30, 09:12 PM
This is a tough one but...I'm going for Survival. An uncontrollable insectoid beast of doom that must eat bodies and/or souls of its victims to survive. Melikes.

bue52
2008-11-30, 09:22 PM
Let's do something random LOGIC, would be my choice.

Pronounceable
2008-11-30, 09:26 PM
Order. If you can have a guy justifying himself for the greater good, we can have a chaotic insect working for the greater order. Or maybe not.

Anyway, whatever senseless combination that don't drive Afro mad will only make him awesomer. Hopefully. I know you were expecting an hourglass reference here. And I'm not gonna do that just to spite you.

afroakuma
2008-11-30, 09:28 PM
Usually; I grow with time.

And yeah, I need to hook myself up with some actual gaming job.

Also need to work on RPG Superstar...

Thank god there wasn't one. I think you already owe me your head.

Juhn
2008-11-30, 09:37 PM
So, we all voted Chaotic and are going with Order and Logic now?

...That makes no sense to me, and not in the awesome way.

I vote Survival.

Reath
2008-11-30, 09:48 PM
I think that our vermin works for the Greater Good.

Owrtho
2008-11-30, 09:57 PM
I said it before. Weather. If not that, then Insanity.

Owrtho

Mewtarthio
2008-11-30, 10:09 PM
Self-Loathing

Szilard
2008-11-30, 10:17 PM
Anarchy! .

LordZarth
2008-11-30, 11:01 PM
I would have gone with Logic if it was Lawful Evil, but I'm going to go with Greater Good.

I mean, good God, what if the scary insect-villain is actually RIGHT?

Oh noes! Generic subversive message. Hourglasses FTW!! My head. Stay on.

TheCheshireHat
2008-11-30, 11:05 PM
Chalk up another vote for Insanity

Shadow_Elf
2008-11-30, 11:26 PM
I vote for Insanity spec. Paranoia.

Zeta Kai
2008-11-30, 11:37 PM
I shall also vote for Insanity, but I say specifically Bipolar Mood Disorder (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/campaigns/sanity.htm#bipolarMoodDisorder).

Username
2008-11-30, 11:54 PM
Greater Good, I'm curious how you'd spin that for a CE unique vermin of some kind.

Goldwing
2008-12-01, 12:06 AM
I vote for Depression. Nothing better than a depressed chaotic evil villain.

Alteran
2008-12-01, 12:14 AM
Another vote for survival.

DracoDei
2008-12-01, 01:06 AM
Just to be interesting I am going to go with Love, should make for an interesting combination with Vermin...

UnChosenOne
2008-12-01, 01:16 AM
Vermin villain with survival as motivation is what we need.

vegetalss4
2008-12-01, 02:13 AM
vote for the greater good, seems more -interesting- than the rest

blackspeeker
2008-12-01, 02:51 AM
Arrogance, although it does seem contradictory for something referred to as vermin.

starwoof
2008-12-01, 03:03 AM
Spite. I'm gonna vote for it on every VUAV until it wins.:smallbiggrin:

Lord Mancow
2008-12-01, 03:16 AM
Survival. It has to feed off of power to survive.... and the heroes are the most powerful guys around that it can take.

Afro, how do you change a threads name midway through?