Commonly Corrected Classes Compendium

[Kane0]

OK, this isn't homebrew per se, but I was thinking about how common rogue, monk and fighter fixes were. If they were to be compiled into a single thread then it could be very helpful for those searching for fixes instead of making their own, or for those that have done their own and would like to compare and revise.
In any case, just post with your links to your fixes and I will add them here. If you have homebrewed classes that are similar enough to these classes and you would like to add them by all means I will. There might even be a top ten competition some time!

Edit: If you are providing links, please designate if your homebrew is a Fix or an Alternative. Thank you!

Core Classes

Fighter Fixes

Fighter Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=242689) by wayfare, and a damn fine one at that.
The Legionnaire (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12666406#post12666406), alternative by Kane0: Focuses on fighting alongside allies, with armor and weapon boons to boot.
Fighter Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12460617&postcount=2) by Grod_The_Giant
Fighter Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=214120) by Twin Dragons
Fighter Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=140278) by Realms of Chaos
Fighter Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=209757) by NeoSeraphi
Fighter Fix and alternative (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=194834) by jiriku: a well-rounded, flexible martial class to replace the barbarian, fighter, marshal, and samurai all at once
The Shield Warrior (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=192533), alternative by mhvaughan
Fighter Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=228850) by Deepbluediver
Fighter Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153656) by Ernir
Fighter fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=216996) by Kenneth
Fighter Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=178361) by Seerow
Fighter Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130030) by Solaris
TheLegend (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=242782), alternative by Grod_The_Giant
Fighter Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=241661) by Lemmy
The combatant (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13289004&postcount=1), Fighter/Melee alternative by toapat
Fighter Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=244599) by GunbladeKnight
Fighter Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=242257) by nonsi
Fighter Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=14740619) by Rogue Shadows
Fighter Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11258161&postcount=26) by Draz74
Fighter Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=273600) by Piggy Knowles
Fighter Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=14897843) by Kane0


Rogue Fixes

Rogue Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=234201) by Kane0: A lot like the others here
Rogue Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=214119) by Twin Dragons
Rogue Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12291628#post12291628) by Grod_The_Giant
The Darkstalker, (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12524294) alternate by NeoSeraphi
The Duelist (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222961), alternate by NeoSeraphi
Rogue Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=234132) by Deepbluediver
Rogue Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226398) by Yitzi
Rogue Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219991) by Kenneth
Rogue Fix by Merk (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=15356866)


Monk Fixes

Monk Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226857) by T.G. Oskar
Monk Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153528) by UserShadow7989
Monk Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2276450#post2276450) by Lord Iames Osari
The Ascetic (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=214285), alternative by Lix Lorn
Monk Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=192781) by arguskos
The Youxia (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226726), alternative by Troll Bräu
Monk Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=216108) by Ziegander
Monk Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12438857#post12438857) by Derjuin
Monk Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=150122) by jiriku: a striker/skill monkey upgrade to the monk.
The Ascetic, (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=193791) Monk fix by Jarian
Monk Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=238952) by Phosphate
Monk alternative (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10693197&postcount=1) by Veklim
Monk Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11041902&postcount=2) by Draz74


Ranger Fixes

Ranger Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=234888) by Grod_The_Giant
Ranger Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=236178) by Deepbluediver
Ranger Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229701) by NeoSeraphi
Ranger Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58263) by Person_Man
Ranger Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=165522) by T.G. Oskar
Beastmaster Ranger (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=111823), alternative by Serenity
Ranger Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=170358) by jiriku
Ranger Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=225664) by Yitzi
The Archer (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229330), alternative by Circle of Life
Ranger Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=190045) by Jarian
The Swift Hunter, (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=170358) replacement by jiriku: a striker/skill monkey class to replace both ranger and scout


Paladin Fixes

Paladin Rework (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=193554) by T.G. Oskar
The Sanctified Champion (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230622), alternative by Circle of Life
Paladin Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12150015#post12150015) by Grod_The_Giant
Paladin Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=216153) by Kenneth
Paladin Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230019) by Seerow
Paladin Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130056) by Solaris
The Knight-Paladin, (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=187700) alternative by jiriku: a defender class to replace both knight and paladin
The Templar (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13289185&postcount=2), Paladin fix/alternative by toapat
Paladin Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=249858) by toapat



Barbarian Fixes

Barbarian Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12600493) by NeoSeraphi
Barbarian Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=168774) by unosarta
Barbarian Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=245327) by GunbladeKnight
Barbarian Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11070809&postcount=7) by Draz74


Sorceror Fixes

Sorcerer Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12250721) by NeoSeraphi
The Magician (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=209772), alternative by jiriku: A practitioner of low magic, including sympathetic magic and the crafting of simple magic items.


Wizard Fixes

Planar Mage (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10461008), alternative by unosarta
The Mage (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=239441), alternative by eftexar
The Ritualist (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=210595), alternative by jiriku: The traditional staff-wielding master of The Art, including circle rituals.


Cleric Fixes

The Priest (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=189564), alternative by unosarta
The Avatar (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219109), alternative by jiriku: A cleric remix that gains phenomenal cosmic power only when acting in his deity's interests


Druid Fixes

Druid Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11868155#post11868155) by unosarta


Bard Fixes

Bard Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11905257) by unosarta



Complete Warrior: Swashbuckler, Samurai and Hexblade

Swashbuckler Fixes

The Daring Outlaw (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=188150), alternative by jiriku: a striker/skill monkey class to replace both rogue and swashbuckler
The Scoundrel, (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=227772) alternative by Circle of Life


Samurai Fixes

Samurai Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143018) by T.G. Oskar
Samurai Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79512) by MammonAzrael


Hexblade Fixes

Hexblade Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=198555) by Ziegander
The Bez-Kismet (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153696), alternative by T.G. Oskar
Hexblade Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=232603) by Sgt. Cookie
Hexblade Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=218093) by Person_Man
Hexblade Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=237827) by Grod_The_Giant
Official unnofficial Hexblade Fix (http://www.thepiazza.org.uk/bb/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=8545&start=0) by Ashtagon
Hexblade fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=151953&highlight=hexblade) by The Shadowmind
Hexblade fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=151077&highlight=hexblade) by realbombchu
Hexblade Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=204696&highlight=hexblade) by Vallum
The Hexblade Homebrew Handbook (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=146389) by Mephibosheth
Hexblade Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=275279) by Grod_The_Giant


Complete Arcane: Warlock and Warmage

Warlock Fixes

The Servitor (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=223940), alternative by Kane0: A big step up from the Warlock, with balance tweaks as well. Takes the flavor and gives a lot more options.
Warlock Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226021) by MammonAzrael
Warlock Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=212830) by T.G. Oskar
The Ebon Initiate (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=163297), alternative by ErrantX
Warlock Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=236189) by Master Arminas
Warlock Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=142707) by mhvaughan
Warlock Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=14819064) by Barna10
Warlock Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=274643) by Kane0
Warlock Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=13806454) by Deviston


Warmage Fixes

Warmage Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42440) by Realms of Chaos
Warmage Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131346) by T.G. Oskar
Warmage Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219088) by Grod_The_Giant
The Elementalist (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=208967), Alternative by NeoSeraphi
Batle Mage (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219065), alternative by Kenneth


Tome of Battle, Psionics & Incarnum Fixes
Link (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12938091&postcount=36)

Other Fixes

Healer Fixes

Healer Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=192141) by jiriku: an upgrade that turns the healer into a potent multi-functional support caster.
Healer Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230066) by Derjuin


Ninja Fixes

Ninja Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=127673) by T.G. Oskar
Ninja Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=213075) by Circle of Life
Ninja Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=186505) by Person_Man


Marshal Fixes

Marshal Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=213891) by Derjuin
Marshal Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=224745) by Kenneth


Factotum Fixes

Factotum Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=212864) by Ernir


Cavalier Fixes

Cavalier Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=201509) by NeoSeraphi


There is also large collections of fixes and other homebrew here (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=120075) and here (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=1172.0).

Is there a way of getting this stickied or put into an already stickied 'compendium' thread?

[Siosilvar]

I haven't looked at all of these in-depth, but I have given them all a once-over and they look excellent on first glance. They all qualify as fixes unless otherwise marked, I think.

Monk
T.G. Oskar's Retooled Monk (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226857)
UserShadow7989 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153528)
Lord Iames Osari (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2276450&postcount=33)
Lix's Ascetic (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=214285) alternative psionic-ish
Arguskos' Monk of the Unending Road (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=192781) alternative, more focused on mobility
Troll Brau's Youxia (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226726)
Ziegander (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=216108)
Dejuin (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12438857&postcount=1)

Warlock
MammonAzrael (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226021)
T.G.Oskar's Retooled Warlock (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=212830)

Hexblade
Ziegander (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=198555)
T.G. Oskar's Bez-Kismet (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153696)

Fighter
Ziegander's Action Hero (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11468240) variant focused on action economy
Grod the Giant (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12460617&postcount=2)

Warmage
Realms of Chaos (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42440)
T.G. Oskar's Retooled Warmage (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131346)

T.G. Oskar's other retools:
Retooled Healer (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133118)
Retooled Marshal (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=186681)
Ninja (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=127673)
Retooled Ranger (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=165522)
Retooled Samurai (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143018)

[Kane0]

Thank you Siosilvar, I have added all those to the list.

I also added a few others i've found.

[Circle of Life]

The Ascetic (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=193791) a Monk alternative by Jarian.

The Ninja (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=213075), a Ninja Fix/Alternative (both, really), by yours truly.

The Scoundrel (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=227772), a combination Swashbuckler/Rogue fix.

[MammonAzrael]

I created a ToB-based Samurai fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79512) a while back. I also have a Monk/Soul Knife hybrid fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=199227).

[Grod_The_Giant]

I've got a few more fixes to the categories on this list: a rogue (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12291628#post12291628) and a warmage (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219088). Also, a ranger (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=234888) and paladin, the latter of which tends to crop up enough that it deserves its own section, probably. I know T. G. Oskar did a lot of work on the subject... (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=193554)

[Kane0]

Thanks guys, i've put them in.

Keep 'em comin'!

[Ashtagon]

Somewhere there is a hexblade fix written by the original author. Link, anyone?

[willpell]

I'm working (slowly) on a power-level fix for the Soulborn (and fluff "fixes" for all three classes in Magic of Incarnum, but that's more an issue specific to my campaign). Whether it will actually be finished is deeply in doubt, but I'll bookmark this thread just in case.

But who on earth thinks the Rogue needs to be fixed? Okay, I've heard that there's a class called Factotum which is pretty much strictly better as a skill specialist, but there's no guarantee your DM will allow any class from a sourcebook. Plus the last I checked Rogues are the ONLY class in the entire game allowed to disarm magic traps; that's more than reason enough for them to be a viable class no matter how weak everything else they do might be. And Sneak Attack isn't anything to sneeze at anyway. Rogue is in the core and not spectacularly weak, I'd think that's good enough that it doesn't need fixing.

[Circle of Life]

But who on earth thinks the Rogue needs to be fixed?

Almost anyone who's played one.

Okay, I've heard that there's a class called Factotum which is pretty much strictly better as a skill specialist, but there's no guarantee your DM will allow any class from a sourcebook. Plus the last I checked Rogues are the ONLY class in the entire game allowed to disarm magic traps; that's more than reason enough for them to be a viable class no matter how weak everything else they do might be.

The Factotum is what the Rogue should be, full stop. It does a bit of everything fairly well, rather than failing at anything that isn't stabbing something in the back of the neck, unless they burn huge amounts of resources into making UMD amazing, in which case you're just a Wizard with a gambling problem and some pointy sticks.

The Rogue is not the only class allowed to to disarm magic traps, unless your game is Core only. There are some twenty other ways to get Trapfinding (spells, non-Core classes, ACFs for Core classes), and most of them treat it as one of the most minor abilities in the game. Rangers trade away Track for Trapfinding, for example.

And Sneak Attack isn't anything to sneeze at anyway. Rogue is in the core and not spectacularly weak, I'd think that's good enough that it doesn't need fixing.

And if you fight a construct, or an ooze, or an undead, or a plant, or anything with fortification? Virtually half of all printed monsters essentially say "nope" to Sneak Attack, which is a flawed concept from the ground up. A properly optimized Rogue can instagib anything it reliably land attacks on, so in turn every creature has the ability to become outright immune to Sneak Attack.

But you're right about one thing. The Rogue isn't spectacularly weak. With enough effort you can make a decent Rogue. But it's poorly designed, starting with its most basic abilities and going all the way to Rogue 20 being the worst class level in the entire game.

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Edit: Regarding the 'official' fix for Hexblades: Click. (http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19547530/Contacting_Wizards_of_the_Coast_about_Hex_Blades?p ost_id=332210466#332210466)

Edit x2: The Sanctified Champion (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230622), which is either a Paladin alternative or a ground-up rework, depending on how you look at it.

[Derjuin]

It's not exactly commonly corrected, but it's a class fix:

Marshal (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=213891) (from Miniatures Handbook), by me. It's a fix, I think, since I tried to keep the original flavor of "buffin' allies" with "tank" thrown in.

[Sgt. Cookie]

I did a Hexblade fix too. Here it is. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=232603)

[Jodah]

This is an alternative factotum (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=212864) made by Ernir, which focuses on the sublime path rather than casting.

And are you including the wizard fixes that show up time and again that nerf the first tier?

[Barbarian MD]

Warlock Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=142707) by mhvaughan

Also, [SUPR] Monk Fix (https://docs.google.com/View?docid=0AYdLcxsM7Nx0ZGc2NzhibjNfMjc4ZGMzYzlqZ2 0&authkey=CLGemYEO) by the Penny Dreadful team.

And [SUPR] Barbarian Fix (https://docs.google.com/View?docid=0AYdLcxsM7Nx0ZGc2NzhibjNfNzFkNjl3ajMzYg ) by the Penny Dreadful team.

Shield Fighter Alternative (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=192533) by mhvaughan

[NeoSeraphi]

But who on earth thinks the Rogue needs to be fixed?

*hand up* Me. Right here. Hi.

Rogue needs to be fixed because it is generally only usable (and the fluff supports this) as a two-weapon fighter or an archer, which are both incredibly useless fighting styles unless you invest a heavy amount of feats into them (for TWF you need Weapon Finesse, Two-Weapon Fighting, Improved Two-Weapon Fighting, and Greater Two-Weapon Fighting, and for archery you need Point Blank Shot, Precise Shot, Rapid Shot, Manyshot, Greater Manyshot, and possibly Improved Precise Shot). The rogue does not have a single bonus feat before 10th level to mitigate this, and even then, if you take a bonus feat you lose a chance to become more "rogue-ish".

The rogue also has a shocking 26 skills as class skills, but only 8+Int skill points per level. The rogue has no class feature benefits from a high Intelligence score, so putting Int in only to benefit from skill points is a waste of a score (especially considering there really aren't that many rogue skills that are Int-based to begin with).

The rogue has the lowest hit points of any martial character in the game. If the rogue is in melee so that it can flank so that it can get off its "amazing" Sneak Attack, it gets knocked out by one or two hits from a CR appropriate monster, since the number of attacks they get per round, as well as their Strength score, scale pretty damn quadrilaterally.

The rogue also has the worst saving throws in the game, and falls prey to poison, stunning, illusions, enchantments, forced transformations, petrification, and death. All the time. Especially since Wisdom is the only score other than Strength that a rogue can safely dump.

Not only does the rogue have terrible hit points and terrible saving throws, it also has a terrible defense. No medium or heavy armor, no shields. No defensive class features other than defensive roll. The rogue is good at one thing in combat, and that's dying. Sure, you can use wands to improve your chances, if you have the money and the access, but neither of those is a guarantee like class features are.


Ahem. To get back on topic:
Rogue Alternative (Stealth) (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12524294)
Rogue Alternative (Mundane) (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222961)
Barbarian fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12600493)
Sorcerer fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12250721)
Cavalier Alternative (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=201509)
Ranger fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229701)
Warmage Alternative (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=208967)
Mindbender Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220124)
Deepstone Sentinel Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=227996)
Blackguard fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229627)
Bear Warrior Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12479722)

[Deepbluediver]

This is a good idea; I'm assuming we are allowed to link our own fixes?

This is my Fighter Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=228850) - with plenty of feats and other a few other goodies. (no more dead levels!)

This is my Rogue Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=234132) - which borrows from the best parts of the ninja and swashbuckler.

This is my Ranger Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=236178) - which combines the ranger and scout.

My monk fix, regretably, needs more work, but the link is still in my extended sig if anyone wants to browse it for inspiration.


Edit: How do we request that something get's stickied? What are the rules for that kind of stuff?
Edit2: Sorry, whats the exact difference between a fix and an alternative?

[Yitzi]

My link is in my signature, but just to break it up into individual (well mostly, as there's quite a bit of cross-interaction) fixes:
- Wizard offense (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=211136), defense (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=211826), utility (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=212607), miscellaneous (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=214785),
-sorcerer (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=216120),
-monk (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=208452),
-cleric (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222271),
-druid (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=223031),
-barbarian (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=223642),
-fighter and paladin part 1 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=224850),
-paladin part 2 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=225244),
-ranger (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=225664),
-rogue (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226398)

[Glimbur]

There are a couple of fixes for Soulborn floating around. I have written one (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=127348), PersonMan has one also (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=119121), and I suspect you could find more with some googling.

[The Underlord]

Here's my Soulmind (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=224733), a soulborn+soulknife combined mix. Note, I'm planning on doing a major re-haul sometime in the future.

[Coidzor]

Several Ranger fixes.

The Swift Hunter (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=170358) - Jiriku's scout-ranger mashup

Sublime Ranger (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=174397) by Warclam

Ranger Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229701)by Neoseraphi

Ranger Rebuilt (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=234888) - Grod the Giant.

Ranger Scout (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58263)- another ranger-scout mashup, this by by Person_Man (Person Man?)

Ranger and Ranged Combat fixes (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=236178) - Deepbluediver

The Retooled Ranger (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=165522): because rangin' isn't just shootin' and dual-wieldin' - T.G. Oskar's retool of the ranger class.

Sublime Archer (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=156145) - another scout/ranger combination this time ToB emphatically. By Frog Dragon

Sublime Way Variant Ranger (http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19519074) - One of the oldest if not the oldest. By RadicalTaoist(I believe anyway).

Beastmaster (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=111823) - Psionic Fix by Serenity

ToB Ranger (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80470) by MammonAzrael

Fax Celestis' Tome of Battle Core Class Update. (http://wiki.faxcelestis.net/index.php?title=Tome_of_Battle_Core_Class_Update) Ranger, Paladin, Monk, Rogue, Bard, Barbarian, Fighter. Not much, but somewhat quick.

TheOOB - several Sublime Variants, also quick and dirty. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48267)

[unosarta]

I redid some (most) of the base classes.

Barbarian (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=168774): A Barbarian re-tool, involves a rage pool filled upon taking damage.

Planar Mage (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10461008): A Wizard re-tool, only gets 7th level spells, has spell list and flavor based on aligned plane.

Priest (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=189564): A Cleric re-tool, only gets 7th level spells, spell list entirely based on domains.

Psionicist (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=211806): A Psion re-tool, only gets 7th level powers, class features based on discipline chosen.

Druid (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11868155#post11868155): A Druid re-tool, based on aforementioned Priest class. Is very similar to regular Druid, only Wildshaping is slightly changed to be more like a very supernatural Shapeshifting (ACF from PHBII) class feature.

Bard (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11905257): A Bard re-tool, gaining martial maneuvers instead of magic, and bardic music that isn't just a better version of Inspire Courage over and over and over again. Gains Rogue-like special abilities at higher levels.

Psychic Warrior (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11940431): A Psychic Warrior retool. Gains only 5th level powers, and has specific class features based on a path that is chosen.

[NeoSeraphi]

Ah, right. Here's my spell-less bard alternative (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=201346).

[Circle of Life]

I'm apparently terrible at remembering things I've fixed.

The Archer (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229330) - a ground-up rework of the Ranger to focus on archery. Doesn't resemble the Core Ranger much anymore.

And the inspiration for the above class, Jarian's Guild Wars Ranger. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=190045)

[unosarta]

Also, I forgot one class.

Ranger (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=217634): A ToB Ranger re-tool that include different combat styles that encompass Rogue, Barbarian, Shifter, Bounty Hunter, and the traditional Ranger combat styles.

[Grod_The_Giant]

Whoops. I forgot to link my paladin (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12150015#post12150015). Also, since my last post and because there's an s-block but no content, my Tome of Battle Swashbuckler (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230093).

And if we're counting caster nerfs... druid (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230514), cleric alternatives (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12336470), sorcerer (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230721), and wizard (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12623421&postcount=2) (which contain ACFs to replace the Favored Soul and Archivist).

[ngilop]

Fighter (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=216996) Fighter fix//Fighter/Barbarian/Warblade replacement-Kenneth

Marshal (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=224745) Marshal fix-Kenneth

Sorcerer (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=223317) Sorcerer fix -neoseraphi

Rogue (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219991) Rogue fix-Kenneth

Battle Mage (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219065) Warmage fix -Kenneth

Paladin (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=216153) Paladin fix-Kenneth

Monk (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=150122) Monk fix-Jiriku

Mage Knight (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229926) Hexblade/Duskknight replacement(?)-Kenneth

Disciple (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230066) Healer fix-Derjuin

[Seerow]

Soulknife Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=194730) - Soulknife redone with more psionic potential
Swashbuckler Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=196574) - 20 levels of swashbuckler condensed into a 5 level class
Fighter Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=178361) - Fighter with an emphasis on combat styles and stances
Paladin Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230019) - A Minimalist Paladin fix

[Kane0]

Woah, thanks for the input guys!

Ill get to putting em in ASAP.

Probably fix up the categories too, see if i can make them a little easier to navigate.

[Ernir]

Person_Man's Hexblade Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=218093)
The Fighter Incarnate (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153656), my own Fighter fix.

[Barbarian MD]

You might want to comb through the old Compendium (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=120075) for the sake of completeness.

[Benly]

I did a light fix for the PF monk (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222150), although it's Pathfinder-specific and only adds a couple of abilities. I don't know if it qualifies for the project you're doing here or not, since it relies on modifying on the PF monk's ki pool ability.

[Jodah]

Soulknife Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=194730) - Soulknife redone with more psionic potential

I just used the PF soulknife as my fix for a recent campaign, seemed to work decently.

[Garryl]

There are TONS of rewrites and fixes collected here (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=1172.0).

From my things:
Medic (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=1061): Healer replacement.
Divine Mind (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=1013): Divine Mind fix and partial Marshal replacement.
Soulknife (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=1128): An invocation-using replacement for the Soulknife.

Not base classes, but I also have replacement for the Arcane Archer (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=1716) and Reaping Mauler (http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=11036) PrCs.

[Seerow]

I just used the PF soulknife as my fix for a recent campaign, seemed to work decently.

And the PF soulknife is just as crappy and halfassed as the rest of pathfinder. Its Psychic strike is still unusable, the class is still psionic in name only, and the one big change, the blade skills, are mostly comprised of things the soulknife already got before (bad), and things that are worth less than a feat. There are a couple of exceptions (like Fluid Form), but the PF Soulknife is firmly a tier 5 class in need of fixing.

[Person_Man]

Well, since you're inviting additions, I don't feel guilty about pimping mine:

Ninja (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=186505) by Person_Man
War Soul (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=156441) (Soulborn + Soulknife) by Person_Man

Ernir was also kind enough to link to my Hexblade (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=218093).

[Kane0]

Tome of Battle Fixes


Crusader Fixes

None Yet


Warblade Fixes

None Yet


Swordsage Fixes

None Yet


Other Fixes

Sublime Ranger (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=174397) by Warclam
Sublime Archer (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=156145) by Frog Dragon
ToB Samurai (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79512) by MammonAzrael
ToB Ranger (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80470) by MammonAzrael
Sublime Variant Ranger (http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19519074) by RadicalTaoist
ToB Ranger (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=217634) by unosarta
Various ToB fixes (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=273404) by Grod_The_Giant



Psionics Fixes


Soulknife Fixes

War Soul (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=156441), alternative by Person_Man
The Soulmind (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=224733), Alternative by The Underlord
The Ascetic (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=199227), Monk/Soulknife alternative by MammonAzrael
Soulknife Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=194730) by Seerow
Invocation Soulknife (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=1128), alternate by Garryl
The Soulcrafter (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=215075), alternative by jiriku: a front-line warrior who uses augments to power up his soulcraft items.


Psion Fixes

Psion Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=211806) by unosarta


Psychic Warrior Fixes

Psychic Warrior Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11940431) by unosarta


Other Fixes

Psionic Monk (http://alt.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=270919) by Ernir
Psionic Monk (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60060) by Draz74



Incarnum Fixes


Soulborn Fixes

War Soul (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=156441), alternative by Person_Man
The Soulmind (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=224733), Alternative by The Underlord


Totemist Fixes

None Yet


Incarnate Fixes

None Yet


Other Fixes

None Yet



Binder Fixes

None Yet

[Barbarian MD]

You missed the Penny Dreadful team's Monk and Barbarian fixes in my earlier post. Unless that was a conscious decision on your part because they were external links? They were homegrown and posted to google docs for the sake of formatting, if that's your concern.

[Kane0]

Sorry if I missed any, Ill take another look to see how many I skipped by accident :smalleek:

Also I'm now doing ToB, Incarnum, Psionics and Binders in a separate post, seen above. If you'd like yours included please let me know.

[ngilop]

Monk (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=238952) Monk fix -Phosphate

Paladin (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=238905) Paladin fix -toapat

[Drahcir]

Ziegander has a massive pile of core fixes here (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11599640&postcount=122).

[Jodah]

And the PF soulknife is just as crappy and halfassed as the rest of pathfinder. Its Psychic strike is still unusable, the class is still psionic in name only, and the one big change, the blade skills, are mostly comprised of things the soulknife already got before (bad), and things that are worth less than a feat. There are a couple of exceptions (like Fluid Form), but the PF Soulknife is firmly a tier 5 class in need of fixing.

Never saw this response: Main thing that PF fixes in the case of the soulknife - full BAB, more fluid mind blade, and the customizability. The class is now okay. If it is still tier 5, it is the upper realms (it is better than the archtype - fighter), I would put it in tier 4: Capable of doing one thing quite well, but often useless when encounters require other areas of expertise, or capable of doing many things to a reasonable degree of competance without truly shining.

[Solaris]

Fighter (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130030) - Fix.

Paladin (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130056) - Fix.
- I threw in the casting on another version of it. It's just normal Paladin spell-casting.

[dspeyer]

Arcane Archer (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222565)
Order of the Bow Initiate (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=232559)

These don't seem to be common choices for fixes, even though most people would agree they're broken.

[eftexar]

This is supposed to be a fix (or I should say complete replacement) of both the sorcerer and wizard. Here is my Mage (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=239441) class.

[The Tygre]

Glad to see we're finally getting around to one of these revised-class-indexes. We're in desperate need of one. If I might be so bold as to offer a suggestion? Not something mandatory, but maybe as a sort of courtesy, submissions could mention what makes their redesign unique in like, a sentence or a couple of words? Just something to get index-users on the right track.

[toapat]

Glad to see we're finally getting around to one of these revised-class-indexes. We're in desperate need of one. If I might be so bold as to offer a suggestion? Not something mandatory, but maybe as a sort of courtesy, submissions could mention what makes their redesign unique in like, a sentence or a couple of words? Just something to get index-users on the right track.

i think the problem here is that classes like paladin, end up having 10-20 re-writes with similar abilities

[Deepbluediver]

i think the problem here is that classes like paladin, end up having 10-20 re-writes with similar abilities

Maybe just let people submit a few key notes that describe how their class is different or what's important about it. We don't want to put all the burden on the OP to figure out how to describe everyone else's class. Maybe even send it via PM so we don't clog up the thread.

Or we could try rating the fixes on various characteristics such as originality, simplicity, overall effectiveness, etc...I mean if you don't think there's enough contraversy already. :smallbiggrin:

[Kane0]

Come to think of it this thread has already gone beyond the original scope i intended. I'm not really keen on doing the same thing for prestige classes due to the sheer numbers there are, but im happy to add a line or two description for those that want their fixes to have such. PMs would be fine.

If there is anything I dont have up that youd like to have posted please have a look at the compendium threads and see if you can add them there, seeing as those threads seem to be a better option for everybody. This thread has been listed on the table of contents of that thread though, so you may or may not want to double what is posted here already.

[ngilop]

you class compendium came first why would I want to support what i feel was a jerk face move ripoff?

though I can say that i have no idea why a certian poster felt the need to post PrC in a base class thread. compltely odd in my reasoning.

not only that but your is much better than the other one much more simplistic and easy to use. maybe im wrong but I thik simple and easier to use is much better.

[jiriku]

Excerpted from my sig. Many of these classes replace multiple martial classes at once.

Monk (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=150122): a striker/skill monkey upgrade to the monk.
Daring Outlaw (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=188150): a striker/skill monkey class to replace both rogue and swashbuckler.
Fighter (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=194834): a well-rounded, flexible martial class to replace the barbarian, fighter, marshal, and samurai all at once.
Healer (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=192141): an upgrade that turns the healer into a potent multi-functional support caster.
Knight-Paladin (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=187700): a defender class to replace both knight and paladin.
Soulcrafter (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=215075): a front-line warrior who uses augments to power up his soulcraft items. Replaces soulknife.
Swift Hunter (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=170358): a striker/skill monkey class to replace both ranger and scout.
Avatar (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219109): A cleric remix that gains phenomenal cosmic power only when acting in his deity's interests.
Magician (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=209772): A practitioner of low magic, including sympathetic magic and the crafting of simple magic items. Sorcerer replacement.
Ritualist: (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=210595) The traditional staff-wielding master of The Art, including circle rituals. Wizard replacement.

[toapat]

Bump, we need this stickied

[Ashtagon]

http://www.thepiazza.org.uk/bb/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=8545&start=0

Official unofficial hexblade fix.

[Deepbluediver]

Come to think of it this thread has already gone beyond the original scope i intended. I'm not really keen on doing the same thing for prestige classes due to the sheer numbers there are, but im happy to add a line or two description for those that want their fixes to have such. PMs would be fine.

You don't NEED to add every single link people provide; if this is intended to just be fixes for the base classes, then just put those at the start and encourage other posters to stay on topic.

At this point there's so much homebrew floating around, I have no doubt you could easily find a dozen fixes for ANY class with a little effort.

[ngilop]

ngilop's WItch Doctor (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=244811)

An inbetween divine caster in terms of power of the cleric and adept, with a curse focus power set.

[GunbladeKnight]

I'll post mine as well as I work on them:

Fighter (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=244599) - Warrior that is a master of weapons and armor.
Barbarian (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=245327) - Animalistic Warrior that uses inner rage as a formidable weapon.

[toapat]

The Combatant (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13289004&postcount=1): Fighter, Rogue, Barbarian, Knight replacement


The Templar (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13289185&postcount=2): Paladin, blackguard rewrite

[Tanuki Tales]

It always makes me smile a little bit when I see my brew being mentioned. :smallsmile:

Though I feel a bit ashamed that my Youxia was the one mentioned, since it's not even playable right now. I mean, yeah, I got a few styles made, but they're not polished enough and not enough of them exist in the first place to really let the class be played.

I'd like to clarify though that it's not a Monk fix per se. I made it as an alternative to the Monk and my Prize Fighter when you want to play an Unarmed Fighter who doesn't rely on Tome of Battle to be relevant in the party.

But that's just another thing I'll need to get back on when I'm done with Ouroboros and when the PGBC doesn't need my attention. That's my flaw though, I put down these great ideas that some folks like as well but they never see total completion most of the time. :smallsigh:

[/rant]

This thread is a wonderful idea and I give it a supportive bump!

[toapat]

Yesterday i brewed this Paladin (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=249858) rebuild, that used minimal homebrew, to the point im not sure it actually is homebrew, but is instead what you get when a DM is extremely generous with you.

[Veklim]

Dunno if it's worth much, but I made a Monk alternative/fix (depending on setting I guess...) here: The Open Palm (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10693197&postcount=1)

[nonsi]

Here's my Fighter fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=242257).