Vote Up Another Villain! [Villain Complete!] (3.5)

[afroakuma]

My own blatant thievery of Zeta Kai's Vote Up A Monster! This contest aims to create a D&D villain, complete with fluff! Please bold your vote.

This round's villain has been completed! I present to you the Caillteanas (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5253896#post5253896).

Contests that have gone before (or are currently running):
Vote Up A Monster (3.X) #1 by Zeta Kai (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4935219#post4935219)
Result: Gatekeeper (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5024872#post5024872)

Vote Up A Monster (3.X) #2 by Zeta Kai (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5061613#post5061613)
Result: Deus Ex Machina (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5109938#post5109938)

Vote Up A Monster (3.X) #3 by Zeta Kai (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5121003#post5121003)
Result: Ectoplasmic Swarm (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5189278#post5189278)

Vote Up A Monster (3.X) #4 by Zeta Kai (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95195)
Result: Pending

Vote Up A Monster (4E) #1 by Shadow_Elf (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5112259#post5112259)
Result: Songbird Spirit (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5183668#post5183668)

Vote Up A Monster (4E) #2 by Shadow_Elf (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5208278#post5208278)
Result: Pending

Vote Up A Villain (3.X) #1 by afroakuma (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5189703#post5189703)
Result: Maiden's Weeping/Swain of Varrone (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5213912#post5213912)

Currently Voting On: Voting Closed, Villain Complete
1. Type: Fey
Type|Votes
Aberration|1
Animal|
Construct|
Dragon|
Elemental|
Fey|18
Giant|5
Humanoid|
Magical Beast|1
Monstrous Humanoid|
Ooze|
Outsider|1
Plant|
Undead|
Vermin|

2. Race/Species: Unique (Humanoid)
Vote for any fey monster from any 3.X WotC source. The current table contains only fey from the Monster Manual. If you vote for a creature in another source, please list that source with your vote.
Fey Race|Votes
Banshrae (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5221221&postcount=62)|2
Dryad|3
Grig|
Nixie|
Nymph|
Pixie|1
Satyr|1
Unique (Humanoid)|10
Unique (Fairylike)|
Unique (Zoomorphic)|1
Verdant Prince (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5220339&postcount=49)|9


2b. Class: Hexblade
You may vote for other classes, but please bear in mind that certain classes have been disallowed. Non-core classes are italicized.
Class|Votes|Class|Votes
Artificier|1|Ninja (new)|6
Barbarian|1|Paladin|
Bard||Psion|
Beguiler|1|Psychic Warrior|
Cleric||Ranger|
Crusader||Rogue|
Druid||Samurai (new)|
Duskblade||Scout|
Favored Soul||Sorcerer|6
Fighter|1|Swordsage|1
Healer||Warblade|
Hexblade|9|Warlock|
Matador (new)||Wilder|
Marshal||Wizard|
Monk||None|1

3. CR: 14
CR|Votes
1|
2|
3|
4|
5|
6|3
7|
8|1
9|6
10|1
11|
12|1
13|
14|9
15|
16|1
17|
18|
19|
20|

4. Alignment: Chaotic Neutral
Alignment|Votes|Alignment|Votes|Alignment|Votes
Lawful Good||Neutral Good||Chaotic Good|
Lawful Neutral||Neutral||Chaotic Neutral|16
Lawful Evil|3|Neutral Evil|2|Chaotic Evil|5

5. Primary Motivation: Curiosity
Motivation|Votes
Anarchy|1
Apathetic malice|3
Arrogance|
Curiosity|10
Depression|1
Envy|
Greater good|
Greed|
Hunger|1
Insanity|
Justice|
Logic|1
Love|
Malevolence|
Order|
Punch-clock villainy|1
Rage|1
Revenge|
Selfishness|
Self-loathing|
Spite|2
Survival|

[Zeta Kai]

Wow, so soon after the last awesome result. Okay, since it doesn't seem to happen on my VUAM threads, I'll vote for Giant. We need giants in this playground!

[Luean]

This time, i'll vote for GIANT too.

[Owrtho]

I hate giants, so I'll vote for Aberration.

Owrtho

[Zeta Kai]

I hate giants, so I'll vote for Aberration.

What's to hate about giants? They're like us, only bigger. They're the anti-hobbits. :smalltongue:

[Owrtho]

Yes, the bigness only makes the hate worse.

Owrtho

[Lord_Gareth]

I, too, hate giants and Aberrations aren't my cup of tea, so let's see if Afro can do justice to the Fae - I'm sick of the Disneyfication of the Fair Folk.

[afroakuma]

Regarding whether or not I can "do justice" to anything, cast your verdict on the previos villain. I'm interested to hear what people thought.

[thegurullamen]

We no longer doing the vote-for-three-options thing for type? If not, I'll go Fey. If so, my other two are Outsider and Construct.

[puppyavenger]

Fey it is, I want Celtic fae!

[afroakuma]

Vote-for-three is only for the planes project vote.

Speaking of which, I have some work to do on that tonight.

Blasted weekend shifts.

[Reverent-One]

I'll vote for Giant this time around.

[HOHOHAHAHEEHEE]

Giant all the way.

[Tar Palantir]

Fey. What's more embarrassing, being pasted by a giant, or being pasted by a butterfly-winged sprite?

[Copacetic]

F-F-F-F-Fey

[streakster]

Fey, fey, all the way...

Seriously, we need some creepy fey around here.

[Juhn]

I guess I'll cast my vote with Fey and battle for medium size when it comes to that part. We have enough spritish things as it is.

[afroakuma]

Sorry, Juhn, there's no size vote in this contest.

However, I will say that I have Celtic heritage, and leave it at that.

[Mewtarthio]

What's more embarrassing, being pasted by a giant, or being pasted by a butterfly-winged sprite?

This sort of misconception is exactly why we need more creepy Fair Folk. Disney's not done that sort of thing since Sleepy Beauty, in which they managed to create the second most nightmare-inducing (for Kid Me, anyway) Disney villain ever (the first being that guy at the end of Fantasia).

That's a vote for Fey, by the way.

[Thane of Fife]

I like Ike. I mean, Magical Beasts (not Ike).

[Juhn]

Heh. I'll vote magical beast next time, though I'm thinking it'd make a better VUAM than VUAV.

Also I should have noticed that there is no size vote. I got it confused with VUAM. I'll just have to trust you, afroakuma, as I've got quite a bit of Celtic heritage as well (as in, nearly all of it).

[afroakuma]

*shrug* I'd have said the same thing about plants, but the previous villan got a rather good reception.

[Juhn]

...That's a good point. I don't think Magical Beast stands a chance of winning this one, but I'll probably place my vote there next time (assuming there is a next time).

Also, if we're going with Fey, is there any way to vote "Incomprehensible" or "Alien Morality" for motivation? The Fair Folk don't tend to think the way we do.

[Lyndworm]

As much as I want to see a Giant, I'm going to have to vote for Fey. I just think that it will make a better villain.

Zack

[Fako]

I want a Fey to go with the awesome plant you made...

[CountD]

Fey, fo' sho'

[cnsvnc]

Voting anything other than fey seems like a losing proposition.

[afroakuma]

Well, sure, now it does.

[Lord_Gareth]

Yay, I started the winning vote!

*Feels so warm and snuggly inside right now, he could turn into a faerie kitten*

[Heliomance]

Fey, definitely. I love the concept of the Sidhe.

[Shadow_Elf]

Giant in the playground. I want to see a Giant with some villainous motives, not just the hacknslash variety.

[Mewtarthio]

Also, if we're going with Fey, is there any way to vote "Incomprehensible" or "Alien Morality" for motivation? The Fair Folk don't tend to think the way we do.

Hm... Would that fall under PCV? They do evil things simply because that's their job?

Now, truly incomprehensible motives just aren't that interesting. It's viable for a monster, but it's not an especially good read for a detailed villain. Compare the story and motivations of our last villain with, say: "One day, Bob looked outside his window. It was sunny and Tuesday, so he killed us all."

[afroakuma]

That sounds like The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Nighttime.

"Yellow cars meant it was a bad day."

Juhn: I'm inclined to say that their actions have a discernable motivation to themselves, so that would be the best way to vote. However, if you feel differently, I'd gladly accept an alternate Motivation vote when the time comes.

[arguskos]

FEY! I actually hate Fey personally, but hey, I bet they can be fun as bad guys. :smallbiggrin:

-argus

[LucyHarris]

I'm all for the Unseelie. Fey it is.

[Kagehime]

I'll vote Fey, too. I play Changeling, and those "Tylwyth Teg" are anything but beautiful. They're nasty little blighters!

Oh, and the worst fey villain of all?

http://zelda.neoseeker.com/uploads/zelda/fairy37252_mini.jpg "HEY! LISTEN!" (Sorry, had to be said.)

[afroakuma]

Ugh, THAT thing. CR 20, never been killed. More resilient than the Tarrasque.

[Leliel]

Fey, thank you.

[Shadow_Elf]

Oh, and the worst fey villain of all?
http://zelda.neoseeker.com/uploads/zelda/fairy37252_mini.jpg "HEY! LISTEN!" (Sorry, had to be said.)

Watch Out! (Oops, too late)
I'm thinking of making a one-off dungeon with Navi as the BBEG.

[Kagehime]

I'm thinking of making a one-off dungeon with Navi as the BBEG.

Seriously? I'd be interested, as I'm about to make Midna for myself.

[afroakuma]

:smalleek: Serious glut of VUA's starting up.

I think I'll hold back Vote Up a Prestige Class until the dust clears a bit.

Vote Up A Villain will proceed as normal, however.

[horngeek]

I'm actually going to go for Outsider

[afroakuma]

Probably just an exercise in numeration by this point. Nonetheless, I'm holding type open until the usual turnover (0000 EST).

[MattR]

I choose Fey

[Mewtarthio]

Seriously? I'd be interested, as I'm about to make Midna for myself.

B-But Midna is awesome! :smalleek: You can't kill her!

[afroakuma]

Well, Fey took it by a landslide. Now we vote on the villain's Race. Remember that other published fey are voting options as well. If you choose one, I will add it to the table along with its pic and a short descriptor.

[arguskos]

I vote Verdant Prince, from the MM... V, I believe. Should that not be allowed, I'd go with a Satyr.

-argus

[Owrtho]

Unique (Zoomorphic)

Owrtho

[afroakuma]

Verdant Prince is from the MMIV and is accepted and tabulated.

Verdant Prince Details

http://www.ravenmimura.com/images/full/VerdantPrince.jpg
The Verdant Prince is a powerful fey creature that makes supernatural pacts with mortals, providing them with services or blessings in exchange for a price that inevitably is more onerous than expected. Arrogant, capricious and cruel, they deliberately fill the terms of the bargain to the letter while exploiting their chosen form of payment to cause the greatest strife. They lead many lesser fey creatures.

[Lyndworm]

I vote Grig. Insane crickitaurs are the best villains. Should this be disallowed, my vote will change to Unique (Zoomorphic).

Zack

[afroakuma]

Grig is allowed. I will expand the Sprite listing accordingly.

[Reverent-One]

I'll vote Verdant Prince, they look interesting.

[thegurullamen]

Green moss-fire-hands for the win!

Verdant Prince!!!

[arguskos]

Sweet, thanks for taking Verdant Prince afroakuma! Wasn't sure if they would work out that well.

-argus

[Knaight]

Nymph, just because its entertaining.

[Zeta Kai]

All the other options are good, but one fey is just designed to be a villain... the Banshrae (http://nightmare.org/dnd/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=19000&g2_serialNumber=2) from MMV. It's a CE Medium Fey, that looks suspiciously like a Doppelganger Bard.

[streakster]

Unique Humanoid

Because Afro homebrewing makes me happy.

[UnChosenOne]

Verdant Prince. Just because it look interesting.

[vegetalss4]

i vote for verdant prince, because it looks awesome

[MattR]

Banshrae if its allowed

[Tuataralad]

Definitely Satyr

[afroakuma]

Banshrae Details

http://nightmare.org/dnd/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=19000&g2_serialNumber=2
The banshrae is a wicked fey that employs ethereal music to bring suffering to others. They play a long, blowdart-shooting flute while in combat, and can cause vile curses with their powers.

[LucyHarris]

I'd like to see something different, so Unique (Humanoid).

[Lord_Gareth]

I'm going to vote for Unique (Humanoid) - I voted for Fey in the first place because I wanted to see a better representation of the Fair Folk, and WotC just hasn't published one that is, in my opinion, good enough.

You can do it Afro!

[Shadow_Elf]

Pixie!. I was going to leave it at that, but the forums said my post was too short...

[pondshadow]

Definatly unique (humanoid)

[Luean]

Verdant Prince sounds nice to me.

[Kagehime]

B-But Midna is awesome! :smalleek: You can't kill her!

Goddesses, man! I'm not going to kill her--I want to use her as a PC!

Anyway, Verdant Prince sounds cool.

[Fako]

Verdant Prince

[puppyavenger]

Verdant prince

[afroakuma]

Good call by arguskos, I suppose.

Kind of suspected that one would crop up.

[Edge]

Unique humanoid. Mainly because it can pull off the verdant prince stuff without looking so... tree-like.

[horngeek]

Dyrad. Because you could have a lot of plot hooks.

[afroakuma]

Spread getting bigger here.

[Thane of Fife]

Put me down for a Dryad, if you will.

[Vadin]

Another vote for Dryad.

[cnsvnc]

Unique humanoid. I'll bet Afro can do something better than some verdant prince if his previous thread is any indication.

[afroakuma]

I appreciate the sentiment, cnsvnc.

[Leliel]

Verdant Prince, beacuse the idea is major pwn.

[Mewtarthio]

Unique Humanoid, because I want to load afro down with more work want afro's uniquely awesome homebrew to be relatively unconstrained.

[afroakuma]

Just so everyone's aware, I'll be allowing Class on this one.

[puppyavenger]

Just so everyone's aware, I'll be allowing Class on this one.

so whens the vote close?

[afroakuma]

My standard vote close/turnover is always 0000 EST (0500 GMT)

[Lyndworm]

Please change my vote from Grig to Unique (Humanoid).

I'm not going to try to sway you guys to any one decision, but I am going to try to sway you guys away from Verdant Prince. I agree that they're pretty much awesome, but they already have their personality, motives, and methods described in their entry. In closing;

Verdant Princes are already pre-made villains.

Not that it'll do much good. The voting stops in less than an hour...

Zack

[afroakuma]

Vote change acknowledged.

Don't worry, Lyndworm. If Verdant Prince wins, I'll still be making a unique villain. There are still the Alignment and Motivation votes to consider.

[puppyavenger]

eh, change mine from verdant prince to Unique (humanoid)

[Lyndworm]

Vote change acknowledged.

Don't worry, Lyndworm. If Verdant Prince wins, I'll still be making a unique villain. There are still the Alignment and Motivation votes to consider.

I know that, and I have complete faith in your abilities. I just think that it would be more fun to see something different.

Zack

[Knaight]

Switching from Nymph to Unique(Humanoid)

[afroakuma]

Alright, you turncoats, your coats turned a sure win for the Verdant Prince into a win for Unique (Humanoid).

Next, I'm actually going to allow a vote on the fey's Class. You may pick any of the classes listed in the table (including "none") or offer up another. Please be advised that I have the final say on all extraneous classes; if you feel like risking one, please submit it with an alternate vote just in case, as I'm off to bed at the moment. :smallbiggrin:

[puppyavenger]

I'm voting Sorcerer

[Fako]

I want to see your Ninja class in action, so I'll put my vote there.

[streakster]

I vote for VOID PALM!

Err, that is, Ninja

[afroakuma]

:smallbiggrin: Didn't need to ask to know what you'd be voting for, streakster.

Continue the voting, I'll be back in ~7 hours.

[arguskos]

Bah, I personally think that Verdant Prince would have been a fine choice, but nope, someone has no imagination. :smallannoyed:

Anyways, I vote for Sorcerer.

-argus

[Zeta Kai]

I'll be avant garde & vote for None. A great villain needs no class.

[streakster]

I'll be avant garde & vote for None. A great villain needs no class.

But isn't class what makes a great villain? [/rimshot]

[Reverent-One]

I have a personal attachment to the Hexblade class, so there my vote goes.

[Owrtho]

I'll vote Beguiler. might change to Hexblade later depending on how votes go. But either way I think fey should be about tricking others and causing them problems.

Owrtho

[Lyndworm]

I think that I'd like to see a fey Ninja as well.

Zack

[MattR]

Beguiler because the best villians don't have to do the dirty work themselves.

Plus ninja? woohoo i have the ability to disappear and run away.. truly that's ultimate power. Ninja is more of a minion class.

[Drakefall]

Beguiler, Hexblade, Beguiler, Hexblade... such a difficult choice...

I guess I'll go Hexblade just because when they yell "curses!" after the party has foiled their evil plan yet again it actually has an effect.:smalltongue:

[vegetalss4]

i vote for warlock

[Lord Mancow]

I'll vote for sorcerer.

[cnsvnc]

Fighter. A fey that kicks ass and takes names is too awesome to pass.

[afroakuma]

Pretty diverse this round!

[Shadow_Elf]

"All you've got left are yer fancy karaté tricks and yer bloody knives"
I vote Ninja

[afroakuma]

Have you seen my ninja class, Shadow? Fancy karate tricks are the least of anyone's worries.

[Lord_Gareth]

I say Hexblade!

[streakster]

Plus ninja? woohoo i have the ability to disappear and run away.. truly that's ultimate power. Ninja is more of a minion class.

Not this Ninja. Oh no. No. This Ninja has VOID PALM!

...I mean, this Ninja class is well-redesigned while being entertaining to play and a valuable addition to any party...

[afroakuma]

C'mon, streakster, you don't even know that I would give this one Void Palm. Darn straight I'm gonna. No matter what class you losers vote.

[Vadin]

Hexblade! FOR GREATER JUSTICE!

[streakster]

C'mon, streakster, you don't even know that I would give this one Void Palm. Darn straight I'm gonna. No matter what class you losers vote.

Thank heavens for secret ninja messages. I about had a post of nothing but sad emoticons.:smalleek::smallmad::smallfrown:

[Colt]

Artificer, because it would be awesome.

[Sacrath]

I'll vote for Sorcerer because its a DM's best friend! You don't need to plan out the encounter, just have a check sheet with his spell levels on it and fill in the spells as the encounter goes on! And he attacks you with... Reverse Gravity, sorry man tough break.

[Lord_Gareth]

If there's as close enough vote, will you multiclass it? What about PrCs (see the Black Duke and the Red Widow, MM5)?

[afroakuma]

PrC's are at my sole discretion and will partially rely on the final CR. Multiclassing may occur based on the vote result but is by no means guaranteed.

[vegetalss4]

because it is obvilius that warlock don't stand a chance by now.
i would like to change my vote to sorcerer

[thegurullamen]

He-he-he-he-HEXBLADE!!!

[CountD]

I vote...

Ninja!

[Thane of Fife]

I kind of like the idea of a Fey Barbarian. The mental image is just wonderful.

[afroakuma]

Still in a dead heat...interesting

[Owrtho]

Hmm, well, since more people seems to prefer hexblade to beguiler, I'll change my vote to Hexblade.

Owrtho

[horngeek]

Let's Do somthing new.
Swordsage

[HOHOHAHAHEEHEE]

Hexblade fey would be interesting.

[afroakuma]

The vote switching makes this contest dirtier, doesn't it?

May have to do something about that...

[Zeta Kai]

The vote switching makes this contest dirtier, doesn't it?

May have to do something about that...

Yeah, I'm considering the possibility of making an additional rule to my VUAs that discourages vote-changing. I feel like it's done too often, & is often based on how subsequent votes are cast. This demonstrates a lack of decision & commitment that should dilute the rest of contest. I mean, you can't change your vote in real elections, why can't people stand by their votes here?

[afroakuma]

I suppose it's because here, latecoming voters often have to steer towards one of the "viable options" to make a ripple.

I'll consider the amendment on future contests.

[LucyHarris]

Sorcerer, methinks.

[afroakuma]

There we are.

Now if only other votes would tally as fast (Grr, slow American elections)

[Owrtho]

I don't think that the vote changing should be changed. Or if at all put a limit on the number of times per round. Part of the reason is that unlike in a normal election, the voting here isn't confedential. Everyone knows everyone else's vote and the current standing of the votes. Thus if someone has two things they prefer, and the one that they like slightly less is doing better than the one they prefer, they will more likely vote for the one they like slightly less. Simmilarly, if they see that one of the options the realy dislike is winning (significantly), they will more likely vote for the option that has the best chance of beating it that they aren't as opposed to. This in the end give late coming voters more of an advantage in casting their vote. The ones that vote early are able to have greater influance (as it is their early votes that impact the late comer's votes), but are much more uncertain as they could vote for something and everyone else ignores it.

Owrtho

[afroakuma]

Yeah, but look at last round, when several people changed from their original (leading) vote to a different selection, which ended up winning. That's dirty voting. There was no impact from early voting; rather, the leader was converted out of due to a few users' stray comments. Also, rallying against the most popular vote because you dislike it is unproductive and undemocratic to those who cast their votes for it from the outset. Essentially, it discards the validity of early votes, and of those of anyone who isn't watching at the end.

[Lappy9000]

As tempting as a fey barbarian may be, and trust me, it is,
Put me down for Hexblade.

[Owrtho]

However, the fact that votes are known as soon as they are cast compromises the system. Also, how is it undemocratic for a statment made by another voter to change someone's mind? The only difference in that and in normal elections is that in a normal election, all the discusion would be done beforhand without any actual voting after which everyone would make a decision in light of the descusion and cast their vote confidencialy. The statments that make others change their votes could be considered little differant than an election campaign. As for the ganging up agains unliked votes, that can't be avoided with the public voting system used.

If you realy wanted it to be like a normal voting, you would likely have to have a day or two of debating over the choices, followed by a period when you can be pmed votes (and not accept votes befor that period). And you would only anounce the votes once the voting period was over.

Owrtho

[afroakuma]

Didn't say I wanted it to be like normal voting; I'm simply suggesting that after the Verdant Prince fiasco above, I should enforce responsible voting.

Also, how is it undemocratic for a statment made by another voter to change someone's mind?

It is undemocratic not to have responsible voting.

As for the ganging up agains unliked votes, that can't be avoided with the public voting system used.

Again, drawing votes out of losing categories is what's enabling this.

More to the point, why do you want freedom to change vote?

[Mewtarthio]

It is undemocratic not to have responsible voting.

But what is "responsible voting"? Sure, you could easily argue that people switching votes away from a losing side just to spite the side they don't want to win is irresponsible, but what about the people who changed from Verdant Prince to Unique Humanoid? That's clearly a valid opinion change, as they switched away from the winning side when they decided that they no longer wanted it to win.

Also, Ninja.

[UnChosenOne]

Hexblade. Just because cool X.

[afroakuma]

Responsible voting is casting your vote when you've determined that it is what you want to commit to. If you need time to gauge where the wind is blowing, you take it.

Again, I'm not saying that I'm going to eliminate vote changing. I'm simply saying that it was a concern in the last round of voting.

Also, I have yet to see an argument that supports vote changing in a manner other than attacking vote locking. T'would probably be more compelling.

[Lord_Gareth]

Vote changing is something I personally don't care about, but allowing vote changes allows for shifts of opinion; from a wacky vote to a serious one, for example, or to get behind a particularly eloquent argument. The voting community for these contests is relatively insular, which means that you can't rely on new people to shift the vote behind a really good idea; you must persuade the old guard.

[Knaight]

And as an example of new people changing the vote, none. Thats right, its viable now. Technically this would be something along the lines of Fey Hit Dice, but whatever.

[afroakuma]

Vote changing is something I personally don't care about, but allowing vote changes allows for shifts of opinion; from a wacky vote to a serious one, for example

The responsible voting argument from above refers exactly to this.

or to get behind a particularly eloquent argument.

This is why I like vote changing. Things like the introduction of homebrew special abilities in Zeta's contests, for instance.

And Knaight, I'm sorry, but your vote cannot be tallied, as you clocked 2 minutes past 0000 EST. Please direct your vote to CR instead.

[puppyavenger]

The responsible voting argument from above refers exactly to this.



This is why I like vote changing. Things like the introduction of homebrew special abilities in Zeta's contests, for instance.

And Knaight, I'm sorry, but your vote cannot be tallied, as you clocked 2 minutes past 0000 EST. Please direct your vote to CR instead.

so which class won?

[afroakuma]

My fearsome fairy will be a Hexblade. Please now vote on this perilous pixie's CR.

[Reverent-One]

My fearsome fairy will be a Beguiler. Please now vote on this perilous pixie's CR.

Which begs the question of why have voting if you'll just arbitraily make choices.

[afroakuma]

Blast it I meant the other one. Hexblade.

[Reverent-One]

Blast it I meant the other one. Hexblade.

Ahh, I was wondering if you had just decided to switch it just to spite the vote-changers. But you did not, so I am happy, since I started the winning vote, which I didn't actually expect to win.

[afroakuma]

I will never meddle with this contest out of spite for people. Congratulations on starting a winner!

[puppyavenger]

Ahh, I was wondering if you had just decided to switch it just to spite the vote-changers. But you did not, so I am happy, since I started the winning vote, which I didn't actually expect to win.

speaking of which, just for fun, 14

[thegurullamen]

Bandwagon!!! 14

[blackspeeker]

14 Because Joining Is Cool!

[Reverent-One]

And I will break from the pack and suggest 9, as we've just had a lvl 13 villian made last time.

[Stormthorn]

CR 6 because the last thread i looked at also had a high CR villain, which in a game starting at level 1 wouldnt be killable for like 15 sessions. (at the rate me and my friends play).

A villain doesnt have to be super-powered to be compelling. The smaller the scale the more options. For instance, epic villains would seem silly with small-focus goals like avenging one persons death or becomeing the head of one thieves guild, even though these situations provide more personal involvment.
For the sake of narrative and RP and slow games. Vote 6.

This post has bene approved by the God of Death.

[Lord_Gareth]

I shall also say CR 9

[Owrtho]

I'll vote 9, as we just had a villan of the unlucky 13CR, though it does now seem that it would have better suited this bad luck causing villan. Just make sure you have the ability to scale it to 13.

Owrtho

[Zeta Kai]

Well, a Verdant Prince is a CR11 monster, so I guess the only question is: what level of Hexblade do we want this thing to have? Even if it's only a 1st-level Hexblade, then it would be CR12. Now, a good villain needs good powers, so it can't be too weak. But we shouldn't pile on too many class levels, as we should probably avoid making this an epic villain. We do want this to be usable in most campaigns, after all.

Now, I think a good level for Hexblade is 7th: this is when they get Greater Hexblade's Curse, & it's right before a dead level. So, I suppose I'm throwing my support behind CR18.

[afroakuma]

I should point out that the last villain was scalable thanks to its template. Stormthorn, that would allow you to use it (on a level 1 Aristocrat, which fits the fluff perfectly) as of level 2/3 without much risk.

Zeta, you may have missed it: It's not a Verdant Prince. I'll hold off on counting your vote until you confirm.

[puppyavenger]

Well, a Verdant Prince is a CR11 monster, so I guess the only question is: what level of Hexblade do we want this thing to have? Even if it's only a 1st-level Hexblade, then it would be CR12. Now, a good villain needs good powers, so it can't be too weak. But we shouldn't pile on too many class levels, as we should probably avoid making this an epic villain. We do want this to be usable in most campaigns, after all.

Now, I think a good level for Hexblade is 7th: this is when they get Greater Hexblade's Curse, & it's right before a dead level. So, I suppose I'm throwing my support behind CR18.

its a unique humanoid, not verdant prince.

[Stormthorn]

I should point out that the last villain was scalable thanks to its template. Stormthorn, that would allow you to use it (on a level 1 Aristocrat, which fits the fluff perfectly) as of level 2/3 without much risk.

You have a point. But while i would never make a plant a villain (C'mon! Have standards!) i can think up lots of ideas for unique humanoid i would want to use.

[afroakuma]

The villain is a Fey, remember. It will be a unique fey (not a printed monster) with a humanoid semblance (as opposed to being partly animal or fairylike).

[Stormthorn]

Thats ok! I love most Fey. I even came up with rules for Goblins as tougher more serious Fey creatures.

[afroakuma]

Excellent! I hope this one's usable for you, then! If not, there will be a consolation prize. :smallcool:

I'm off for some much-needed sleep. Votes will be tallied in... ~7, 8 hours if I'm lucky.

[Zeta Kai]

Zeta, you may have missed it: It's not a Verdant Prince. I'll hold off on counting your vote until you confirm.

WTF?!? When? Ugh. :smallmad:

Oh, hell, I'll vote CR14, then. My previous arguments for a mid-level Hexblade (around Hex7 or so) still stand.

[thegurullamen]

WTF?!? When? Ugh. :smallmad:

Oh, hell, I'll vote CR14, then. My previous arguments for a mid-level Hexblade (around Hex7 or so) still stand.

Methinks it was a last minute thing. Anyway, if you think about it, Verdant Princes are Unique Humanoid Fey. All you've lost is the specificity and fiery-moss hands.

[Owrtho]

Actualy, given Zeta Kai's argument on the mid level hexblade (and the fact I forgot about the race's base cr), I'll change my vote from 9 to 14.

Owrtho

[Lord Mancow]

I'll be voting for CR8, no bandwagon for CR9!:smallbiggrin:

[Heliomance]

CR 20. Because Fey are badass.

[LucyHarris]

CR 9, yo.

<Useless gunk here because it won't let me post unless I have more than ten characters>

[Drakefall]

Hmm... This fey strikes me as the recurring villain type, or at least that's what I want him to be for inexplicable reasons known only to the leeks. As such I can see him starting off as a CR6, as was previously stated, and working his way up to a CR20, as was also previously stated, growing stronger for all his battles (with the party and otherwise).

To support my campaign of recuringness I shall advertise with my deplorable rap skills!

ehem...
You can't kill da Fey
Cause da Fey just ran away

Get it? The "ran away" part refers to his recurrences and subsequent battles with the PC's... cause after they beat him... he runs away... ha ha... ha... XD

Now to vote for him when he's weak, competent or strong is the question... meh, what the hey I'll just vote for CR12 as nice middle ground!

[UnChosenOne]

14. Just because 14 is good number.

[afroakuma]

A villain with class levels can easily be scaled by just taking them away. I don't anticipate needing to install extra scaling beyond that.

[Fako]

CR 14 for me.

[afroakuma]

Interesting to see where this goes. Once again, Motivation will be the most decisive factor, though.

[Thane of Fife]

I'd like to say CR 4, but put me down for CR 6, as it appears to have a better hope of surviving.

[afroakuma]

Glad to see people are taking to this contest. I'm really excited to see how this one will turn out.

Speaking of which, any Scottish Gaelic or Irish Gaelic speakers here?

[puppyavenger]

so how much longer is the CR vote going on for?

[afroakuma]

Votes remain open until 0000 EST. So, eight hours less a bit.

[Leliel]

16 thank you much.

[afroakuma]

Drawing close to the Alignment vote.

[horngeek]

14

Make hard.

[Shadow_Elf]

CR 10. Then, Zeta's monstrosity can be its minions.

[puppyavenger]

CR 10. Then, Zeta's monstrosity can be its minions.

out of curiosity, why 10? Zeta's is 9, so two of them are stronger then it if you win.

[Shadow_Elf]

out of curiosity, why 10? Zeta's is 9, so two of them are stronger then it if you win.

Just because they are stronger than him together, doesn't mean they can't be its minions. A General of an Army can't take on all his soldiers One against all. They trust him (or fear him) (or are ensorcelled by him) (or are created by him) (or are summoned and bound to and by him), so he gives them orders. They don't need to be a fraction of his power.

[afroakuma]

Not to mention Zeta's creature is an elemental. Unless he plots to give it some sort of staying power, I may just give my creature

Banish Elemental With A Baseball Bat (Ex) <this villain> can conjure a mystical baseball bat, the merest touch of which banishes any Outsiders or Elementals back to their home planes.

[Shadow_Elf]

Not to mention Zeta's creature is an elemental. Unless he plots to give it some sort of staying power, I may just give my creature

Banish Elemental With A Baseball Bat (Ex) <this villain> can conjure a mystical baseball bat, the merest touch of which banishes any Outsiders or Elementals back to their home planes.

You must! You must give your villain this!

[afroakuma]

Do the Banish Elemennal!
Banish Elemennal!
Banish Elemennal widda Base Ball Bat!
Do the Banish Elemennal!
Banish Elemennal!
Banish Elemennal widda Base Ball Bat!
Banish Elemen-tal!
Banish Elemen-tal
Hey Banish Elemen-tal!
Banish Elemen-tal!

[afroakuma]

Alright, everyone, this sinister sprite will be CR 14. Even tougher than last round's baddie.

Now I'll be needing this creature's Alignment.

[streakster]

Chaotic Neutral.

He'll save your life, then he'll steal your car.

[Blue Ghost]

I cast my vote for Lawful Evil. A totalitarian witch-king.

[Owrtho]

I'll vote for Chaotic neutral. I think of the fey as acting on whims reguardless of how it effects others.

Owrtho

[UnChosenOne]

Lawful Evil. LE are usualy more interesting that chaotic villain's.

[Owrtho]

While that can be true, I can't see a fey as being lawful. They always struck me as being more fickle.

Owrtho

[thegurullamen]

Let me say this in a variety of ways.

(Nickelodeon Global GUTS) C-c-c-can you feel it?
(Moulin Rouge) Yes we can Can-Can!
(Obama) Yes we can! Yes we can!
(Sparta) THIS!! IS!! SPARTA!! (I know nothing was said there, but it's awesome.)
(Web meme) "Mercy? I'm CHAOTIC NEUTRAL!"

[vegetalss4]

LAAAWFUL-EVIL du du du dududu LAAAWFULL-EVIL

[Zeta Kai]

Well, it's fey, so Chaotic is par for the course. It's a villain, so Evil is expected, too. Hmm, well, I almost never go in this direction, because it's been done far too often, but I will go with the logical choice & vote for Chaotic Evil.

[afroakuma]

Okay, a few interesting choices so far.

[Heliomance]

CN CN doo doo doo doo doo
CN CN doo doo doo doo

[Thane of Fife]

I'm a fan of Chaotic Evil.

[Drakefall]

He's not evil, he's just misunderstood... and steals cars. Chaotic Neutral ftw!

[Lappy9000]

Chaotic Evil. Villians' gotta commit.

[afroakuma]

Stll several contenders. Very interesting.

[cnsvnc]

CN, because outright evil villains are too many.

[Mewtarthio]

Chaotic goes without saying for a fey. I'll go with Evil for the moral axis, because he's not really much of a villain if he doesn't hurt people to further his own goals.

[Bago!!!]

CN! CN!

Being any lawful is just simply outragous for a few and anything evil must mean the classic "I'LL KILL, RAPE, AND PILLAGE BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE IT!"

Random villians are more amusing, espicialyl when they don't register as evil.

[blackspeeker]

I'll go with Neutral Evil, because that's my favorite.

[Lord_Gareth]

Chaotic Nuetral, but with the added condition that the villain be sane. The Fae are solipsistic, not crazy; they aren't just as likely to throw you off a bridge as buy you a drink.

[Luean]

Chaotic Nuetral, but with the added condition that the villain be sane. The Fae are solipsistic, not crazy; they aren't just as likely to throw you off a bridge as buy you a drink.

I second that.

Chaotic Neutral, please.

[Fako]

I agree with Owrtho, Chatoic Neutral makes the most sense for Fey.

[puppyavenger]

Chaotic Nuetral, but with the added condition that the villain be sane. The Fae are solipsistic, not crazy; they aren't just as likely to throw you off a bridge as buy you a drink.

seconded

Chaotic Neutral

[Kagehime]

It might be interesting to see a LE fey, but it really doesn't fit the type. As C:TL puts it, they only do whatever seems amusing at the time--they are more or less sane, I think, but their way of thinking is alien to human (or other PC races) minds.

So...chaotic neutral it is.

[afroakuma]

I smell a landslide.

[HOHOHAHAHEEHEE]

Not that it matters, but neutral evil.

[Athaniar]

I agree with the CN crowd, not just because it's going to win anyway, but also because it can be a great "trickster" kind of villain, somewhat like Loki before he murdered Balder.

Also, how much left until next vote? 'Cause I already know which motivations to vote for. How many can we vote for? One? Two? Three? Even more?

[afroakuma]

You will vote for only one motivation. The voting will open at 0000 EST.

[horngeek]

Chaotic Neutral

[Juhn]

Glad to see I didn't miss out entirely on this while I was away for the past few days. I'm also glad to see that this villain is shaping up exactly how I'd envisioned it, so far. Except for the hexblade thing, as I have no idea what those are. If it involves cursing and such, though, then the voters are doing this right.

I voted CN in the last one, but it fits better here. I've already pointed out that I'd like this fey to be entirely inscrutable as far as motivation goes, which would be interpreted by normal people as Chaotic. As people have pointed out, the Fair Folk are as likely to help you as to harm you (for their own reasons, of course), so Neutral seems like the best fit on the Good/Evil axis.

Just pointing out that I've got logical reasons for voting for what happens to be the leader at the moment. Oh, and for tallying's sakes, Chaotic Neutral.

[afroakuma]

Glad you could make it back, Juhn! Be sure to check back tomorrow for the Motivation vote!

[Shadow_Elf]

Chaotic Neutral!

I so wanted to do this before I noticed it was winning.

[Lyndworm]

I'll go with Chaotic Evil. I don't normally like that alignment much, but it seems to fit rather well here.

Zack

[afroakuma]

Four and a half hours until Motivation voting begins, for those who are anticipating that leg.

I'm seriously considering just doing the turnover now, since CN's got such a preposterous lead. However, I think it best that I stick to my own rules.

[thegurullamen]

I and everyone else who voted for CN wish to change our votes to LG. Then to LN, then back to LG. Then half of us will grow discontent with the current government and form a splinter cell of CE enthusiasts. Faced with such a clear and present danger, the remaining LGers will slowly migrate to TN, scattering about 75% of the whole between LN and NG. Meanwhile, the CEs will fight amongst themselves and draw the attention of the LE who will wish to slowly ensnare the wills and powers of the misbegotten and aimless CXs through subtle manipulation. After nine years of propaganda, two-thirds of the CXs will have fallen into LE territory, another 10% into NE and the remainder will have reincorporated themselves into the LG-in-name-only crowds, which will have scattered all over the XN and XG alignments. Forced into close quarters, the LG-in-name-only empire will war with the LE overlords and someone somewhere will succumb to hubris, reducing the vastly populated alignment spectrum down to its original numbers. Facing death by starvation in the new moral and power vacuum, droves of people will flock to the one remaining ideal: everyone for himself, or CN.

In other words, it was meant to be.

[afroakuma]

Barring some insidious conspiracy in these last 100 minutes, CN will sweep it by a landslide.

[puppyavenger]

Barring some insidious conspiracy in these last 100 minutes, CN will sweep it by a landslide.

now remember, CN doesn't have insidious conspiracies.

it has giant frog.

[afroakuma]

I was referring to insidious conspiracies by the other alignments.

I'm sure you're aware that I am very much in favor of giant frog. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92837)

[afroakuma]

Alright, the votes have spoken! The villain will be Chaotic Neutral.

Now, the moment we've all been waiting for, the vote for this foul fairy's Primary Motivation.

The table has been alphabetized for ease of use.

[blackspeeker]

Only because I don't know how it could work I cast my vote towards depression.

[Lord_Gareth]

Spite, homies. Pure Spite.

[Lappy9000]

Chaotic Neutral Fey, you say? Anarchy.

[streakster]

What? No Giant Frog?

Ah well, then one vote for Curiosity.

[Owrtho]

Logic. It all makes sense to him.

Owrtho

[puppyavenger]

What? No Giant Frog?

Ah well, then one vote for Curiosity.

I agree, because a villain who's just destroying the world to find out what happens is awesome
curiosity

[Mewtarthio]

The fey has an alien mindset, which in turn means that our mindset is alien to him. He is, furthermore, high-level enough to abduct, toy with, and/or experiment on most people with nigh impunity, while still being low level enough to concern himself with mortal affairs. I vote Curiosity.

[afroakuma]

You know, I wouldn't be surprised to see every single category get at least one vote this time. Quite a variety so far.

[puppyavenger]

You know, I wouldn't be surprised to see every single category get at least one vote this time. Quite a variety so far.

no! all should vote for curious Fae!

[Reverent-One]

I'm going to vote curiosity, I like logic as a motivation in general, but for a fey, curiosity fits better.

[thegurullamen]

Curiosity, but I did want to go pure malice.

[Fako]

I vote Curiosity as well.

[Lord Mancow]

Rage, he is crazy.

He can talk like this, "You gonna get sum bad mojo mon!"
Just as he bursts into a wild, cursing rage.

[Heliomance]

Amusement. They are attempting to destroy the world, as the vernacular would have it, for the lulz.

[Luean]

Hm, i vote for Curiosity

[cnsvnc]

A spiteful little bastard.

[vegetalss4]

curosity...


is aperently to short a message

[Shadow_Elf]

I also vote for Amusement. The Fey are just toying with us, and don't really care how what they do affects the material plane.

[Zeta Kai]

I was intrigued by the idea of Punch-Clock Villainy from the last VUAV thread, & it seems a bit more apt here, so that's what I shall vote for.

[afroakuma]

Guru, it is possible to vote for pure malice: malevolence. Think Maleficent from Sleeping Beauty.

Those of you who voted Amusement - it wasn't actually on the chart. I felt the nearest similar option was Apathetic malice - the drive to do mischief out of boredom or without commitment. If anyone would like to debate that point, feel free.

[Drakefall]

Hmm.. well my first choice would be boredom. It's the epitome of chaotic neutral motivation to me. But since it's not a choice I'll go for Apathetic Malice for that luke warm "close enough" feel.

I must admit that I was really tempted to vote for hunger simply because the image of a humanoid Fey hexblade charging about the place and cursing everything he sees in a desperate search for a bacon sandwich almost made me fall over.

[Lyndworm]

I'll vote for Curiosity. I've had my eye on it all session.

Zack

[MattR]

Punch-Clock Villainy

[Thane of Fife]

How about Order? No? Alright then, Hunger.

[Athaniar]

I'll also go with Curiosity, but not just because everyone else is doing it, but because it fits so well with the growing concept. Which, come to think of it, is probably why everyone else is doing it.

[afroakuma]

Well, this one's gone off in a completely different direction than what I had been planning. /offrailed

The published villain likely won't see light until tomorrow, as I have company coming tonight.

[Juhn]

Also, if we're going with Fey, is there any way to vote "Incomprehensible" or "Alien Morality" for motivation? The Fair Folk don't tend to think the way we do.

Of course, if this is not an option I'll have to figure out what is closest to this.