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Junkyard Wars XLVII: SLAs + Breath Weapon - Dragonfire Adept (VOTING OPEN)
Welcome to Junkyard Stadium! It is in this hallowed pile of miscellaneous parts that we will hold a competition of Practical Optimization with three components. The catch? Competitors may not use the third item in their builds! I'm your host, Inevitability, here with a round sure to leave you breathless!
Goal: Create a build that showcases the selected ingredients while steering clear of the Forbidden Ingredient.
This competition has two Necessary Components and one Forbidden Component. This round's components are...
Necessary: Spell-Like Abilities!
Necessary: A Breath Weapon!
Forbidden: The Dragonfire Adept class!
A very open-ended round this time, with no restrictions beyond the presence of spell-likes and a breath weapon in one and the same build. How will your character acquire innate magic and bursts of elemental power - and more importantly, how will you blend the two into a harmonious whole? I'm excited to find out!
Spoiler: RULES
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- Creation: 32 point-buy is the presumed creation method. You may assume that you will have enough exp to reach ECL 20, and that the occasional bit of crafting, use of spells with exp components, or the like won't prevent you from doing so. However, LA buyoff is an alternate rule which is not in play.
- Workshop: Competitors will be free to use any official 3.5 rulebook in constructing their builds. Dragon Magazine is disallowed, and Unearthed Arcana is allowed; but see below. Web-exclusive 3.0 or 3.5 materials by WotC are expressly allowed, but take care to verify that an updated version did not appear in print elsewhere as this may cause an Elegance deduction at the judges' discretion. If you use web material, please link it. Dragon Magazine Compendium is allowed, as are Oriental Adventures (and its 3.5 updates in Dragon Magazine) and the Dragonlance Campaign Setting. Alternate rule systems from UA such as generic classes, spontaneous divine casters, gestalt and fractional saves and BAB are not allowed, as they create a different playing field.
- Multiple Submissions: Entrants may submit up to two entries per round. 'Paired' entries are allowed (see below), but for convenience, please submit your entries in different PMs.
- Leadership is banned: We're creating one thing, not all of the things. If your entry includes a prestige class or ACF that grants Leadership or a Leadership-like ability as a bonus feat, the feat should be ignored and is not eligible to be traded away for another feat or ACF through any means. If your entry includes a prestige class that requires Leadership, you still need to qualify, but the feat should thereafter be ignored.
- Speculation: Please don't post or speculate on possible builds until after the reveal in order to avoid spoiling the surprise if a particular competitor is producing a build along those lines. Speculation and stub posting is to be avoided until the reveal is completed.
- Disputes: Any scoring disputes should be sent to the Chair via PM. Valid disputes include RAW misreadings, arithmetic errors, things missed that are present in the entry, and inconsistently applied criteria. Invalid disputes include disagreements on matters of opinion, a judge not catching something not explicitly presented in the entry, and the like. Invalid disputes will be responded to via PM by the Chair, but valid disputes will be posted in-thread for the judge to review. When disputing, please indicate the judge the dispute is intended for and provide a quote of the disputed comment or comments. Note: the Chair may edit or paraphrase any disputes in presenting them to the judges.
- Presentation: You will need to present a write-up of your build at at least one of the following points: 5th level, 10th level, 15th, 20th, and a "sweet spot" that you feel is the high point of the build, as well as presenting a fully-fleshed out 20-level build in the table below. Please give a rundown of the build's abilities and playability throughout its life. Builds will be posted anonymously, in order to avoid the potential of bias towards a particular competitor. For this reason, please don't put your name in the build as I'm likely to miss it when reviewing the entries. Also for this reason, PLEASE do not include any material that may or may not grossly offend any potential viewers/judges/competitors OR break forum rules. Any builds which violate forum rules WILL be withheld from posting.
- Anonymity: if you are submitting multiple entries, please try not to have entries reference each other, or have other obvious "tells" that they are from the same competitor. If it is essential for your concept that entries are somehow linked, that is fine, but otherwise, please try to limit info that will give away who competitors are.
Spoiler: Handy-dandy Tables You Can Use
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Due to concerns about standardizing entry format, please use the following table for their entry.
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NAME OF ENTRY
Level |
Class |
Base Attack Bonus |
Fort Save |
Ref Save |
Will Save |
Skills |
Feats |
Class Features |
1st |
New Class Level |
+x |
+x |
+x |
+x |
Skills |
Feats |
New Class Abilities |
2nd |
New Class Level |
+x |
+x |
+x |
+x |
Skills |
Feats |
New Class Abilities |
3rd |
New Class Level |
+x |
+x |
+x |
+x |
Skills |
Feats |
New Class Abilities |
4th |
New Class Level |
+x |
+x |
+x |
+x |
Skills |
Feats |
New Class Abilities |
5th |
New Class Level |
+x |
+x |
+x |
+x |
Skills |
Feats |
New Class Abilities |
6th |
New Class Level |
+x |
+x |
+x |
+x |
Skills |
Feats |
New Class Abilities |
7th |
New Class Level |
+x |
+x |
+x |
+x |
Skills |
Feats |
New Class Abilities |
8th |
New Class Level |
+x |
+x |
+x |
+x |
Skills |
Feats |
New Class Abilities |
9th |
New Class Level |
+x |
+x |
+x |
+x |
Skills |
Feats |
New Class Abilities |
10th |
New Class Level |
+x |
+x |
+x |
+x |
Skills |
Feats |
New Class Abilities |
11th |
New Class Level |
+x |
+x |
+x |
+x |
Skills |
Feats |
New Class Abilities |
12th |
New Class Level |
+x |
+x |
+x |
+x |
Skills |
Feats |
New Class Abilities |
13th |
New Class Level |
+x |
+x |
+x |
+x |
Skills |
Feats |
New Class Abilities |
14th |
New Class Level |
+x |
+x |
+x |
+x |
Skills |
Feats |
New Class Abilities |
15th |
New Class Level |
+x |
+x |
+x |
+x |
Skills |
Feats |
New Class Abilities |
16th |
New Class Level |
+x |
+x |
+x |
+x |
Skills |
Feats |
New Class Abilities |
17th |
New Class Level |
+x |
+x |
+x |
+x |
Skills |
Feats |
New Class Abilities |
18th |
New Class Level |
+x |
+x |
+x |
+x |
Skills |
Feats |
New Class Abilities |
19th |
New Class Level |
+x |
+x |
+x |
+x |
Skills |
Feats |
New Class Abilities |
20th |
New Class Level |
+x |
+x |
+x |
+x |
Skills |
Feats |
New Class Abilities |
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[table="class: head alt1 alt2"]
[tr]
[th][B]Level[/B][/th]
[th][B]Class[/B][/th]
[th][B]Base Attack Bonus[/B][/th]
[th][B]Fort Save[/B][/th]
[th][B]Ref Save[/B][/th]
[th][B]Will Save[/B][/th]
[th][B]Skills[/B][/th]
[th][B]Feats[/B][/th]
[th][B]Class Features[/B][/th]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]1st[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]2nd[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]3rd[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]4th[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]5th[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]6th[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]7th[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]8th[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]9th[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]10th[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]11th[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]12th[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]13th[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]14th[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]15th[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]16th[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]17th[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]18th[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]19th[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]20th[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]
For entries with spellcasting, use the following table for Spells per day and Spells Known. (Spells Known only if necessary, i.e. Sorcerer or Bard, but not Wizard or Warmage)
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Spells per Day/Spells Known
Level |
0lvl |
1st |
2nd |
3rd |
4th |
5th |
6th |
7th |
8th |
9th |
1st |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
2nd |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
3rd |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
4th |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
5th |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
6th |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
7th |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
8th |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
9th |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
10th |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
11th |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
12th |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
13th |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
14th |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
15th |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
16th |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
17th |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
18th |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
19th |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
20th |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
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[B]Spells per Day/Spells Known[/B]
[table="class:head alt1 alt2"]
[tr]
[th][B]Level[/B][/th]
[th][B]0lvl[/B][/th]
[th][B]1st[/B][/th]
[th][B]2nd[/B][/th]
[th][B]3rd[/B][/th]
[th][B]4th[/B][/th]
[th][B]5th[/B][/th]
[th][B]6th[/B][/th]
[th][B]7th[/B][/th]
[th][B]8th[/B][/th]
[th][B]9th[/B][/th]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]1st[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]2nd[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]3rd[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]4th[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]5th[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]6th[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]7th[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]8th[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]9th[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]10th[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]11th[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]12th[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]13th[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]14th[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]15th[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]16th[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]17th[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]18th[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]19th[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]20th[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]
For other systems (Psionics, ToB, Incarnum, etc.) keep track of PP/maneuvers/essentia separately, preferably in a nice neat list.
mattie_p has also kindly made a Google Document that greatly assists with creating and formatting tables: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
Spoiler: Judging (Backup Judging Method Added)
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- Scoring: Each judge is required to provide the criteria by which they are judging the builds. By "criteria," we mean a simple explanation of what the judge is looking for in each of the below categories and what kind of scoring we can expect. If a judge deems a build to be illegal, they may provide a 0 in Elegance but may not refuse to judge any build presented by the Chair.
- The Categories: Judging will be based on the following criteria, with each build rated from 1 (very poor) to 5 (exemplary) in each area: Originality, Power, Elegance, Use of Components.
- Originality: Is the build unique? Does it deviate from the obvious? Does it forge its own path, or does it fall back on common, established optimization tricks? Some judges score entries for the quality of their concept & backstory as well, though not all do. Providing at least some backstory or fluff is heavily encouraged, as it helps the judges figure out who the entry is. Note that the purpose of this category is not to penalize entries that independently came up with the same idea as another entry, but rather to reward entries that explore underutilized and non-obvious areas of optimization, so, judges, try not to base your judging in this category too heavily on what other builds are doing. Multiple entries using the same element may certainly be evidence that the element is unoriginal, but you shouldn't impose anything like a "-1 for each other build using the same class" penalty.
- Power: Power represents your build's, well, power. Builds are not to be penalized for being 'too powerful', though judges are advised to have a standard where things other than tier 1 casters can acquire a perfect power score still.
- Elegance: This category was formerly titled "Build Stability." Here, we're essentially measuring how skillfully you put your build together and how you balanced flavor with power. We're cooking here - if your dish doesn't taste good, it doesn't matter how well-presented it is. Use of flaws is an automatic loss of one point per flaw in this category. Multiclassing that results in an XP penalty is penalized here as well, though 'dips' that fall short of XP penalties should not be. Rule adherence and legality of sources is scored under this category; additionally, reliance on a questionable, controversial, or ambiguous ruling can and should result in a deduction. Neither the number of sources nor their relative obscurity should be penalized--contestants should feel free to use any books they like. Lastly, errors of build presentation are penalized here too.
- Use of Components: Was the Forbidden Component avoided? Were the Necessary Components showcased, or simply used because they were necessary? Were the Necessary Components used mostly separately, or combined into a harmonious whole?
- Note on scoring: if you are going to penalize an entry for something specific, it is strongly recommend that it only be penalized in one of the four categories for this - the one you feel is the most relevant. It is OK to put different penalties for different instances in their own category, but if, say, someone fails to qualify for a PrC, try not to ping them in Elegance and Power, for instance.
- Disputes: Any scoring disputes will be posted by the Chair in-thread after reviewing them privately. Valid disputes include
- RAW misreadings,
- arithmetic errors,
- things missed that are present in the entry,
- and inconsistently applied criteria.
Note: only competitors are to raise disputes, and only on their own entry. If you, as a spectator, find an error in judging (or in an entry, for that matter), please hold off on comment until after the final reveal. Thank you.
Invalid disputes will be responded to via PM by the Chair, but valid disputes should be responded to by each individual judge. Judges are obligated to respond to disputes to ensure that everyone gets a fair shake. A judge's scores will only be recognized if they have recognized all disputes. In the absence of any other judges, the entries will be judged by the chair.
In the event that no suitable judge is found in a reasonable time, we will trial the alternate method:
- Each contestant picks their three favourite entries that they did not submit. They will rank the three in order from first to third, and this will be submitted privately to The Chair.
- Entries that are not rated by a contestant are presumed to rated at 4th place.
- The score of each entry is averaged, and competition winners will be decided with the lowest number taking first place, second-lowest taking second and so forth.
Completion Time:
- Contestants will have until
23:59 GMT Sunday 28th April 23:59 GMT Wednesday May 1st to create their builds and PM them to the chair (note: you are free to submit builds up until I start posting entries, even if this deadline has passed). - Builds will then be posted simultaneously to avoid copying.
- As the precedent has been set from Episode 2, should all prospective judges have posted their rulings in a neat, timely fashion and all disputes have been settled satisfactorily (to either judges, contestants, or the Chairperson), the judging period may end prematurely to give way to a new episode. No reason to keep working on a finished building and avoid moving onto the next one.
- While I (Inevitability) am chair, judges can expect priority voting on the next round's theme and are encouraged to submit their own suggestions.
Looking for as many contestants and judges as feel like playing! We will award 1st through 3rd places, as well as a shout-out for honorable mention. The honorable mention prize is given to the most daring or unexpected build that doesn't gain a medal.. Everyone can vote in-thread. Ready? Set? Get to the junkyard and start building!
On the subject of messaging the chair (me), a few guidelines:
- I am not here to give critiques on your build or guess how the judges might score it!
- For entries, please keep the entry to no more than 2 messages, if at all possible.
- For entries, don't expect me to search through your entry and edit in or out material. Entries should be sent to me complete - if there is a later revision, re-submit the full build. PLEASE DON'T INCLUDE TEXT IN YOUR SUBMISSION YOU WANT ME TO EDIT OUT FOR THE POST - SUBMIT IT TO ME EXACTLY HOW I WILL POST THE FINISHED PRODUCT.
- Please make sure the name of your entry is clearly present in the message.
- Please make sure the title of your submission clearly connects your message to this contest. This makes it much easier for me to find your build in my inbox.
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Re: Junkyard Wars XLVII: SLAs + Breath Weapon - Dragonfire Adept
Contest Questions and Answers
Q1: Do we need multiple different spell-like abilities, like a literal reading of the OP would suggest?
A1: No. A build that has only a single SLA is considered to meet this requirement. Using a single SLA at different times counts as using SLAs, plural.
Q2: If a build has a SLA that grants a breath weapon, either directly or indirectly, does that fulfill both requirements?
A2: Yes. While it's rare for a round's ingredients to be similar (or generic) enough to allow such a thing, it is absolutely valid to meet both build requirements via a single build element. If you have a SLA and a breath weapon (and no Dragonfire Adept levels), your build is valid, even if those are the same thing.
Q3: Does Extra Exhalation apply to all of your breath weapons, if you have multiple?
A3: No: look at the language for Extra Turning and similar feats; if Extra Exhalation applied to all your breath weapons, it should have specifically said so.
Q4: Do Metabreath feats work with breath weapons that don't have a recharge time expressed in rounds?
A4: No. An at-will breath weapon does not have a recharge time of zero rounds either, it simply has no recharge time. Breath weapons without recharge times expressed in rounds neither qualify you for metabreath feats nor can be enhanced by them.
Q5: What counts as a breath weapon?
A5: Anything called Breath Weapon or identified as a breath weapon in its accompanying text. Other abilities might qualify, but it's up to you to present a case for why we should consider them breath weapons by a different name - if a judge disagrees, I won't come to your rescue.
Q6: Do Psi-like abilities count as spell-like abilities?
A6: For the purposes of this round, yes they do.
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Re: Junkyard Wars XLVII: SLAs + Breath Weapon - Dragonfire Adept
I have a question that might be relevant. If we are using something that is a spell like ability that grants a breath weapon does that count for both requirements? That won't be the case with what I'm planning but I could definitely see how that could potentially be the case for somebody.
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AMFV
I have a question that might be relevant. If we are using something that is a spell like ability that grants a breath weapon does that count for both requirements? That won't be the case with what I'm planning but I could definitely see how that could potentially be the case for somebody.
Answered it in the FAQ!
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I have some ideas. May or may not coalesce into builds. 🤔
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Added a few questions to the second post.
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I will try to participate for once.
I always liked Breath Weapons but it is often tied to garage prc... Which is perfect.
Good luck everyone.
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Condé
I will try to participate for once.
I always liked Breath Weapons but it is often tied to garage prc... Which is perfect.
Good luck everyone.
Welcome! We're happy to have you: if you have any questions about the competition or build practices, feel free to shoot me a PM!
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In addition, I think I've got a good exhibition entry idea, and I don't expect to be stepping on anyone's toes with it, so I'll develop it some and then reveal it along with the competitors' builds.
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Entries are in! Now just to wait for like forever!
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Aside from the entries I've received, how's everyone's building coming along?
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Inevitability
Aside from the entries I've received, how's everyone's building coming along?
I'm working on. Have idea, don't know how frame it.
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I haven’t had any ideas for this round yet. I might still make an entry, but if not I’ll probably end up judging.
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Inevitability
Aside from the entries I've received, how's everyone's building coming along?
I have a build stub mostly finalized.
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The "build" is done. I just need to type it up.
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I have have prepped all my ingredients put them together and now it's in the oven.
Submitted my entry.
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Re: Junkyard Wars XLVII: SLAs + Breath Weapon - Dragonfire Adept
Five days to the deadline: if anyone needs an extension, now's the time to say so.
My own exhibition entry is fully fleshed-out and should be up along the main reveal.
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Inevitability
if anyone needs an extension, now's the time to say so.
Honestly, it's difficult for me to say if I will need an extension or not. I think I have enough time to finish writing and cross checking before the deadline, but my optimism has bitten me in the butt before.
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Have a hard time figuring out a build with no or few rules contention/assumptions, not using setting specific classes (or at least not having both a class from eberron and forgotten realms for example) and that is not plain cheese as we have to make a practical build... Sadly a lot of options I considered are of that nature.
Also life has left me with less free time than I expected.
I will not ask for more time. If I am not able to come up with something decent I will probably make a half-cooked build dump at the end of the competition.
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Entry is in.
I spent too much time on it and could not afford spending much more on it in a near future.
Hope some of you are gonna enjoy it.
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Re: Junkyard Wars XLVII: SLAs + Breath Weapon - Dragonfire Adept
Entry is in.
I spent too much time on it and will not be able to afford spending much more on it in a near future.
Hope some of you are gonna enjoy it.
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Rebel7284
Honestly, it's difficult for me to say if I will need an extension or not. I think I have enough time to finish writing and cross checking before the deadline, but my optimism has bitten me in the butt before.
Yeah, I think I need like an extra 3 days. 😅
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Rebel7284
Yeah, I think I need like an extra 3 days. 😅
All good! That's more convenient for me anyway. I 'may' as well!
Deadline updated to Wednesday May 1st, 23:59 GMT.
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While we are waiting, what do you think about this theme idea: Melee Weapon Mastery + Ranged Weapon Mastery - Bloodstorm Blade.