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I was about to vote for Lemons, but The Grimace's post seemed fishy to me as well. Especially with Lemons' believable reply. Definitely voting for one of them. And since I'm voting for of of them, it should be the possible Devil, even if I think it's unlikely to be true.
The best way to test role claims is with blood.
Lemons.
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Qwaz
Meh, if you're a villager it's no huge loss but if you're the devil it's a huge score. With a claim like that from The Grimmace it'll kick up info whichever you turn out to be.
And what about the possibility of Grimmace being a wolf? It seams to me that since the Devil doesn't actually know who his fellow villains are and they are unaware of who the devil is, the devil really is a useless roll. In my eyes, unless someone can correct me, it would be better to lynch a wolf rather than the Devil. However I guess it doesnt matter since they all must be killed anyways, but there is the possibility of the wolves accidentally killing their own devil.
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Shadow
I was about to vote for Lemons, but The Grimace's post seemed fishy to me as well. Especially with Lemons' believable reply. Definitely voting for one of them. And since I'm voting for of of them, it should be the possible Devil, even if I think it's unlikely to be true.
The best way to test role claims is with blood.
Lemons.
Well, in this case, which would be better to lynch: a possible wolf, or a possible devil who could accidentally be killed by his own teammates.
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52.5 Lemons Doth protest too much, methinks.
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52.5 Lemons
Well, in this case, which would be better to lynch: a possible wolf, or a possible devil who could accidentally be killed by his own teammates.
You, then if you're clean, Grimmace. If you are a devil, we want to stop you from scrying anyone important. If not, it's not a big loss.
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sigh, it appears that I have explained the Grimmace's trickery all I can, so I will accept my mistakes and just let myself be lynched for the better of the game. 52.5 Lemons
although it is quite interesting to have your very own bandwagon.
EDIT:and on another note, don't forget to put "52.5 lemons" as opposed to just "lemons" in this case because it could get confused with Lemonus who is also in this game. Wouldn't want to vote for the wrong person now would we.
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Originally Posted by
billtodamax
52.5 Lemons Doth protest too much, methinks.
I agree. But I also see that Lemons has only been here for a months or two, so this is likely his/her first game, and first timers ALWAYS protest too much. It's like "the jump" in the Matrix. No one makes their first jump. And first timers always protest too much.
Heck, I think I even did the same.
You know what? With all of that in mind, I'm inclined to believe his story a little more.
Normally I would change my vote to Zar Peter here, as he's the one that started this. But what he did was logical. As were the Grimace's actions. So I think lynching Lemons is the wrong play. First time jitters and all that. Checking his/her post history as I write this, it's actually second game jitters. But the first game was a mini game, so it doesn't *really* count. This is his first real game. So newbie jitters none the less.
So with all of that in mind, and no clear target with any good reason, I'm going back to pointing at Andre Fairchilde, and will continue to do so out of nostalgia until I see a reason to target someone else.
And it appears that Lemons accepted that he/she's about to die while I was writing this.
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And you're from Illinois, right?
That's where Drury Lane is.
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Originally Posted by
billtodamax
52.5 Lemons Doth protest too much, methinks.
Verily, and even more so he is a self bandwagoner, which we generally distrust to begin with.
Still I doubt he could be a wolf.
Blarg, a shadow ninja!
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52.5 Lemons is just too many for me. Also, I believe he's the Devil.
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Deathslayer7, I smell wolf in your general direction!
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Shadow
And it appears that Lemons accepted that he/she's about to die while I was writing this.
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And you're from Illinois, right?
That's where Drury Lane is.
actually no im not... Was not even aware that there was a drury lane in Illinois.
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Originally Posted by
52.5 Lemons
And what about the possibility of Grimmace being a wolf? It seams to me that since the Devil doesn't actually know who his fellow villains are and they are unaware of who the devil is, the devil really is a useless roll. In my eyes, unless someone can correct me, it would be better to lynch a wolf rather than the Devil. However I guess it doesnt matter since they all must be killed anyways, but there is the possibility of the wolves accidentally killing their own devil.
The Devil is the only wolf power role and is always the highest priority (in Classic at least). Plus that's not much of a denial there.
Plus we can kill The Grimmace tomorrow if he's lying.
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Shadow
I agree. But I also see that Lemons has only been here for a months or two, so this is likely his/her first game, and first timers ALWAYS protest too much. It's like "the jump" in the Matrix. No one makes their first jump. And first timers always protest too much.
Heck, I think I even did the same.
You know what? With all of that in mind, I'm inclined to believe his story a little more.
...okay, I agree the statement wasn't all that out of place for a new player, but seriously? The Grimmace claims 52.5 Lemons is the Devil and you switch your vote off him?
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As 52.5 Lemons is still kind of a newbie, I would prefer to lynch someone else. Devil or not he deserves to play. If he is the devil, he won't do much harm to us for a couple day. And if he isn't he could make a good double agent, as everyone (wolves included, I assume) think he's the devil. If the seer would scry him first tonight, then speak through a proxy as to what his role is, we could let him get some experience in WW. I know it sucked to die before day three when I was first starting. Twice. I would prefer not to let that happen to someone else. So I vote Flabort. If only to keep Lemons alive.
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...okay, I agree the statement wasn't all that out of place for a new player, but seriously? The Grimmace claims 52.5 Lemons is the Devil and you switch your vote off him?
EDIT:Why would you trust Grimmace instead?
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Drury Lane is a dinner theater, yes? That's what it is here.
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Internet Flea
...okay, I agree the statement wasn't all that out of place for a new player, but seriously? The Grimmace claims 52.5 Lemons is the Devil and you switch your vote off him?
That claim was made before my first vote. It was part of the reasoning, and even explained so in that voting post. None of that matters if other facts have changed my mind.
Why should I vote for someone that I'm not convinced is a wolf? You even said yourself that none of it is out of place for a new player. I am not convinced, and I don't like lynching a new player unless I'm convinced. Had that been someone that has been here for a while, I would be asking for blood as well. But it isn't someone that's been here for a while. It's a new player, who might stray from these games if lynched for making a newbie mistake.
I won't vote to kill a new player unless I'm convinced, and in this case I am not convinced. The shadow of doubt remains, and so my vote goes elsewhere.
Ninja'd by Grue saying basically the same thing. Well done, chap. :smallwink:
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Originally Posted by
Grue Bait
If he is the devil, he won't do much harm to us for a couple day.
EDIT:Why would you trust Grimmace instead?
One night is all it takes for the devil to find the seer or the baner and feed that name to the wolves. Also, if he hits the mason group the wolves can watch the mason he scrys and potentially figure out the other masons from there.
If neither is a wolf, Grimmace would not "feel good" about claiming wolf to lemons, as he would be a villager. There is a logical contradiction.
If lemons is a wolf, we can't trust what he wrote about how Grimmace felt, so there is no contradiction.
If Grimmace is a wolf, then Lemons is telling the truth and we at least got a wolf, as we will lynch him if Lemons is a villager. However, this is unlikely as Grimmace started the accusations, which would be a fairly stupid thing for a wolf to do.
If neither is town then: *head explodes*
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TBFProgrammer
One night is all it takes for the devil to find the seer or the baner and feed that name to the wolves. Also, if he hits the mason group the wolves can watch the mason he scrys and potentially figure out the other masons from there.
If neither is a wolf, Grimmace would not "feel good" about claiming wolf to lemons, as he would be a villager. There is a logical contradiction.
If lemons is a wolf, we can't trust what he wrote about how Grimmace felt, so there is no contradiction.
If Grimmace is a wolf, then Lemons is telling the truth and we at least got a wolf, as we will lynch him if Lemons is a villager. However, this is unlikely as Grimmace started the accusations, which would be a fairly stupid thing for a wolf to do.
If neither is town then: *head explodes*
if neither of us is a villager, then this would be one big scene made just to make one of us look innocent.
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TBFProgrammer
One night is all it takes for the devil to find the seer or the baner and feed that name to the wolves. Also, if he hits the mason group the wolves can watch the mason he scrys and potentially figure out the other masons from there.
It's been one night. Either he know a wolf and contacted them, or he knows a possible power role, and he hasn't contacted the wolves. He doesn't know the wolves from the beginning if I'm not mistaken. However, the wolves may contact him and we'll have an inside man, or at least one wolf name.
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Grue Bait
It's been one night.
And how many more do you want to give him because he is "harmless?"
We don't have any better/other leads, so I'm sticking to this one. Either Grimmace or Lemons is almost certain to be a wolf. The information is out where the wolves can see it, so it can't really be used to track back to them.
Lemons won't live for long at this point anyways, since once the seer scrys him he is either a fully known wolf devil or a confirmed town that the wolves know about.
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Zar Peter is suspicious, also, I don't believe that Lemons is the Devil, just a feeling, but he's a little.... blaze? I don't really know, but he doesn't strike me as furry. The funniest thing is, neither does The Grimmace...
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Shadow
The shadow of doubt
:smallbiggrin:
I saw this and I had to quote.
I'm with Shadow and co. here, incidently. He made mistakes, but it ISN'T a Seer scry, so why is everyone acting like it is? The Grimmace made an assumption based on something that was said..(Incidently.. Why did The Grimmace claim Wolf in the first place? Doesn't that seem a little... Off?) And came to the conclusion that he thought Lemons was the Devil.
That's all well and good. But that isn't a reason to go Wagoning him without a second thought. Especially as it's just his second game?
Just... Gah. I reserve my vote for now.
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The old man wanders out of the bowling alley, "Okay, time to figure out what's going on. Where am I, who are all of you, and why are you all--"
The man stops upon noticing Bladescape, "You! Aren't you the one I saw near the caravan the other night? Who are you? Where are we? What happened to the others?"
(I'll change my vote if somebody starts a 'save the newbie' bandwagon, but right now there aren't any viable options.)
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...maybe I'm reading too much into what The Grimmace is saying.
What exactly was said that makes you think you found the Devil?
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52.5 Lemons
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Originally Posted by
The Grimmace
Not only was that a fishy comment, but I also have reason to believe that 52.5 Lemons is the devil. Mostly because he told me. Sorry dude, but you gotta be way more paranoid if you wanna win one of these things. :smalltongue:
Right. That was a ploy to try and get you to trust me. I asked you if you were a wolf and I will quote the message you gave me:
"I really shouldn't be telling you this, but I have a feeling it will work out well. So yes, I am a wolf."
I was only trying to gain your trust to get insider info... but aparently that isn't working out. well, since this is only my second ww game, i guess it is just one more thing for me to work at.
Emphasis via bold is mine.
Lemons clearly admitted to telling the Grimmace that he was the devil.
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Brains. 52.5 Lemons guy that everyone is voting for. Don't recognise you, so you do have my sympathy - beginners mistake and all. But quite clearly something that could be a problem.
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TBFProgrammer
Emphasis via bold is mine.
Lemons clearly admitted to telling the Grimmace that he was the devil.
...so he just randomly told him "hey I'm the Devil are you a wolf?" for no reason?
This is starting to sound more like a pure newbie error. I'd like to see what was actually said here, from The Grimmace or 52.5 Lemons either one.
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BourgeoisJerry
(I'll change my vote if somebody starts a 'save the newbie' bandwagon, but right now there aren't any viable options.)
How about Zar Peter For starting a bandwagon based on a newbie's kindness?
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52 Lemons' accusation against Grimmace reads to me as a last ditch ploy to get someone else lynched in his stead. Because really...what 'wolf' would sell out the devil without any compelling reason or provocation? Frankly, I think he made this up.
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Originally Posted by
bladescape
I'm with Shadow and co. here, incidently. He made mistakes, but it ISN'T a Seer scry, so why is everyone acting like it is? The Grimmace made an assumption based on something that was said..(Incidently.. Why did The Grimmace claim Wolf in the first place? Doesn't that seem a little... Off?) And came to the conclusion that he thought Lemons was the Devil.
That's all well and good. But that isn't a reason to go Wagoning him without a second thought. Especially as it's just his second game?
Just... Gah. I reserve my vote for now.
The exact conversation was as follows:
Lemons: "Nick, are you a wolf? because if you are, i have important news for you...
(At this point I was pretty sure what he was going to say. There's only one piece of important news that someone who doesn't know who the wolves are could need to tell a wolf, but I still wanted to hear him say it.)
The Grimmace: "I really shouldn't be telling you this, but I have a feeling it will work out well. So yes, I am a wolf
Lemons: "cool.... im the devil"
After this, I texted another friend of mine in this game and told him. Later, Lemons and I were chatting at our locker when he got a text from said friend saying that I'd told him. He and I talked about how he needed to be less trusting in these games, and he tired to think of ways to get out of this or help the wolves somehow, and mentioned that it wasn't that bad because he was signed up for Convoy and Mafia and wasn't sure if he could handle three games at once.
I almost considered not saying anything about it and just letting the bandwagon take it's course, which might have been a better decision in hindsight, but then this day would've been way less exciting. :smalltongue:
And I wouldn't be lynching a new player this soon unless I was 100% sure that he's the devil. Not to mention risking my own life in the process.
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So let's lynch 'em both. The Grimmace. I suggest we try and get the votes as near as possible between The Grimmace and 52.5 Lemons.