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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
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Tzardok
Bytopia? Tame? Are we talking about the same place? :smallconfused:
Dothion is quite tame. Yeomen is a safe location.
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Tzardok
Besides, do you want Celestia's inhabitants watching over your shoulder, day and night? :smalleek:
And Arkadia isn't much better with their obsession with ordered nature and their regularly scheduled wars. They have a curious definition of "peaceful". :smallannoyed:
That wouldn't be a problem. Only licensed merchants would cross the Portal, and if they want to do business at the city, they would have to swear to respect it laws.
Anyways, I was asking about how the contact with the Higher Plane would affect the Prime enviroment, not about how the Planars and Celestials could bother the Prime.
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
Sorry, my mistake. But Shurrock is as tame as the beastlands. I think you mean Dothion.
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
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Tzardok
Sorry, my mistake. But Shurrock is as tame as the beastlands. I think you mean Dothion.
Oh yes, Dothion. I got both layers mixed.
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
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Clistenes
What about portals to the tamest places in the Outer Planes
From a Prime Material standpoint, there's no such thing. Exposure to Bytopia could cause gravitic distortions and reality bending, Inception-style, so that the earth appears in the sky, to say nothing of impossibly placid or stormy weather, forced conformity, overzealous work ethic causing people to slave themselves to death, overemphasis on simple living causing expert craftsmen to cast down their tools, great warriors to bend their swords to plowshares, plant life becoming rough, hardy and thoroughly uncooperative, animals becoming arbitrarily belligerent to test the patience and resolve of those who reside in the lands...
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
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afroakuma
plant life becoming rough, hardy and thoroughly uncooperative, animals becoming arbitrarily belligerent to test the patience and resolve of those who reside in the lands...
Do domestic animals and plants in Dothion do that? Or would it be the influence of just Shurrock trying to express itself?
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
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afroakuma
From a Prime Material standpoint, there's no such thing.
Even K'un Lun?
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
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Clistenes
Do domestic animals and plants in Dothion do that? Or would it be the influence of just Shurrock trying to express itself?
They don't need to. The denizens of the plane work hard, and the flora and fauna of the land reward hard work. It's a native equilibrium, and you'd never notice. Until you imbalance that equation.
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
Thank you.
I guess Planars or Primes (merchants, refugees, whatever) who move to Bytopia or Arcadia would slowly be altered to fit in the Plane too, wouldn't they?
It may or may not within your area of expertise, but: I have read several people claim that gods must be forcing every epic character in Oerth to either leave for the Planes (often being bribed with quasi-divinity), to retire to some remote location (like Acererak, for example) or to become a servant of Balance tasked with policing other epic beings (like Mordenkainen), because the past of Oerth is clogged with Epic beings but very few of them seem to have stayed and exert a great influence on the world (Iuz being the exception).
Do you have an opinion about that?
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
If a God or group of Gods knew they were going to die (prophecy, elder evil, global collapse of their centralized church, something like that...) could they 'store' their Divinity in some way as to be reborn later after the problem has passed?
If so, which of these would work feasibly?
-In an artifact that grants divinity to its user
-a bloodline that awakens as divine after a certain number of generations
-contained in a natural feature awaiting a natural disaster to unleash it
-held by a semi-divine being or servator (ie: undead clergy, shamanistic spirit, allied outsider) to bestow on someone they deem worthy after the danger has passed
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
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Clistenes
I guess Planars or Primes (merchants, refugees, whatever) who move to Bytopia or Arcadia would slowly be altered to fit in the Plane too, wouldn't they?
Not usually :smalltongue:
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I have read several people claim that gods must be forcing every epic character in Oerth to either leave for the Planes (often being bribed with quasi-divinity), to retire to some remote location (like Acererak, for example) or to become a servant of Balance tasked with policing other epic beings (like Mordenkainen), because the past of Oerth is clogged with Epic beings but very few of them seem to have stayed and exert a great influence on the world (Iuz being the exception).
Do you have an opinion about that?
The gods of Oerth tend to be fairly hands-off with their world, which is not hugely invested with divine anything. Most epic-level characters from Greyspace depart because there is simply more to see, do, acquire etc. elsewhere. Compare Faerun, where ludicrous numbers of mortals (proportionally speaking) have been raised to divinity or invested with divine power as Chosen of this or that god. Who would leave when the big show is going down right there?
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Naanomi
If a God or group of Gods knew they were going to die (prophecy, elder evil, global collapse of their centralized church, something like that...) could they 'store' their Divinity in some way as to be reborn later after the problem has passed?
I'm not sure, let me consult my good friends Bane, Bhaal and Myrkul.
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If so, which of these would work feasibly?
-In an artifact that grants divinity to its user
Can't be made. An artifact storing the god in some fashion, akin to a phylactery, might work.
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-a bloodline that awakens as divine after a certain number of generations
Can't really hide it. If you're willing to cut that down to a certain number of years, say until the age of adulthood, possibly.
I'm going to stop directly addressing these at this point and just say no, you can't "bank" your divinity and expect it to stay put, unaltered but independent of you, for a fixed span of time, to reactivate when needed. The best gods have managed to do is to spread seeds or distribute puzzle pieces.
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
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What kind of "massively deleterious effects" could/should one expect?
Since this hasn't been brought up yet, adding my grain of salt.
Massively deleterious effect #53: depending on the planes involved, a scouting party of baatezu or tanar'ri stomping through your city to recon (and maybe then, secure) a new route of attack for the blood war.
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
Do you know of any mortal who received a spark of divinity (child of a god, killed a god, received it as reward...etc.) but didn't become a deity until after his/her physical death (Hercules/Castor and Pollux style)? As in, he or she live his or her whole life as a mortal and once dead his/her divinity manifested itself and he/she became a deity instead of a petitioner?
It is quite common in our world's mythologies, but it doesn't seem to happen very often in D&D.
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
Well, Uthgar in the Forgotten Realms was elevated to godhood with his dying breath by Tempus, but I am not sure wether that is what you are looking for.
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
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Tzardok
Well, Uthgar in the Forgotten Realms was elevated to godhood with his dying breath by Tempus, but I am not sure wether that is what you are looking for.
Uthgard was just a mortal until promoted by Tempus. I was thinking of somebody like Hercules, who already had a divine spark but lived as a mortal without divine powers (except his strength, obviously) until his death.
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
Ehh... I mean... possssssibly Finder Wyvernspur; he did technically die. But then, he died in the act of killing a god, he didn't possess some kind of preexisting divine spark.
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
What can you tell me about Zandilar the Dancer?
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
How would the Githyanki fare if someone managed to return worship to and reawaken the God they built their city on? Would the place just vanish, or would they go with it to its new home or ?
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
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Naanomi
How would the Githyanki fare if someone managed to return worship to and reawaken the God they built their city on? Would the place just vanish, or would they go with it to its new home or ?
Option C: The god blasts them all (unless he/she's is a really, really, really compassionate, charitable, kind deity...).
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
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What can you tell me about Zandilar the Dancer?
I would assume, if you know the name, that you know what there is to know. Minor elven goddess, subsumed into Sharess.
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Naanomi
How would the Githyanki fare if someone managed to return worship to and reawaken the God they built their city on? Would the place just vanish, or would they go with it to its new home or ?
Tu'narath would become a tu'namelt.
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
hey, long time reader, first time poster, newly registered, want to say I absolutely love these threads.
so naturally, I got a question.
what happens to reality if the worst fear comes to pass: somehow or other, the lords that lurk in the depths of the far realm turn their attentions to the great wheel?
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
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JoeyTheNeko
hey, long time reader, first time poster, newly registered, want to say I absolutely love these threads.
so naturally, I got a question.
what happens to reality if the worst fear comes to pass: somehow or other, the lords that lurk in the depths of the far realm turn their attentions to the great wheel?
The far realm doesn't have "lords" lurking in it. It doesn't have anything anything-ing in it. It doesn't have a concept of "lords" or "lurking" or "attentions."
Basically, that question doesn't make sense. At all.
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
far as I can tell, there are elder things deep within the far realm that drift in contemplations of madness, and the powers of the great wheel do NOT want them turning to the pinprick holes of light the great wheel's connections make in the far realms. and something like a god showing up directly is believed to draw their attention. at least, that's what I got from the third thread. so my question stands.
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
If there was a large scale conflict between the inner and outer planes (on the scale of the old Law/Chaos wars but with elementals unified on one side and outsiders unified on the other), which side of any would have the advantage?
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
how do new elementals form?
we know how material plane beings form. (birds and bees, and soul from positive energy plane) we know how outer plane beings or at least exemplars form (new dead soul arriving on plane.)
how do new elementals come into existence?
of course, this begs the question do new elementals form at all?
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
What's with the natural illumination on Planes?
Planes of Fire, Lightings, Positive Energy, and Radiance are obviously well-lit; Negative Energy and Shadow are dark.
But what's with, say, Elemental Plane of Water, or Elemental Plane of Cold?
Do they have their one suns or something?
How about the Outer Planes and Far Realm?
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Conjecture question:
Let's suppose there exists an artifact that can, in the hands of mortals, kill things deader than dead (no phylactery, ghost, true resurrection, etc.) by destroying the soul.
Let's suppose the same artifact, in the hand of a sufficiently powerful being (level 17+ adventurers, demi-gods, unique outsiders, proxies) could potentially (but not easily) definitively erase a power from existence by utterly destroying its very essence.
Let's suppose the item, until now, was hidden and no-one on the plane knows (or seriously believes) it exists. Let's suppose some random clueless stumbles upon it, starts using it, and various beings on the planes learn about its existence and powers.
What could be the impact of such a revelation on the planes?
EDIT: Moreover, there are no known ways of destroying that artifact. Researching one would take hundreds of years, possibly fruitlessly.
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
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ShurikVch
What's with the natural illumination on Planes?
Planes of Fire, Lightings, Positive Energy, and Radiance are obviously well-lit; Negative Energy and Shadow are dark.
But what's with, say, Elemental Plane of Water, or Elemental Plane of Cold?
Do they have their one suns or something?
How about the Outer Planes and Far Realm?
It depends on the plane. Air and Water have natural ambient light without a discernible scource, while Earth does not have natural light. From that you can imagine the circumstances of other inner planes.
In the Far Realm the concept of light or dark does not exist.
Outer Planes have suns, ambient light, other light scources or are dark depending on the plane and layer. For example, Pandemonium is dark. Sigil has scourceless ambient light. The layers of the Beastlands have respectively a permanent midday sun, a permanent setting sun and star light. On the highest mountain of Arkadia sits a sphere which is one half dark and one half light that rotates in exact 24 hours aruond itself. Therefor everyplace in Arkadia gets exact 12 hours light and 12 hours night. It really depends on the plane.
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
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Tzardok
Outer Planes have suns, ambient light, other light scources or are dark depending on the plane and layer. For example, Pandemonium is dark. Sigil has scourceless ambient light. The layers of the Beastlands have respectively a permanent midday sun, a permanent setting sun and star light. On the highest mountain of Arkadia sits a sphere which is one half dark and one half light that rotates in exact 24 hours aruond itself. Therefor everyplace in Arkadia gets exact 12 hours light and 12 hours night. It really depends on the plane.
Avernus, first layer of Baator, has fireballs racing through the sky that will light you up. :biggrin:
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
Is that lighting or weather? :smalltongue:
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
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WalkingTheShade
Conjecture question:
Let's suppose there exists an artifact that can, in the hands of mortals, kill things deader than dead (no phylactery, ghost, true resurrection, etc.) by destroying the soul.
Let's suppose the same artifact, in the hand of a sufficiently powerful being (level 17+ adventurers, demi-gods, unique outsiders, proxies) could potentially (but not easily) definitively erase a power from existence by utterly destroying its very essence.
Let's suppose the item, until now, was hidden and no-one on the plane knows (or seriously believes) it exists. Let's suppose some random clueless stumbles upon it, starts using it, and various beings on the planes learn about its existence and powers.
What could be the impact of such a revelation on the planes?
EDIT: Moreover, there are no known ways of destroying that artifact. Researching one would take hundreds of years, possibly fruitlessly.
Destroying mortal souls is hardly a new thing.
Book of Vile Darkness have "Souls as Power" variant rule, which allow to use souls to pay certain amount of XP cost
Demilich able to devour and completely digest souls
Bastion of Broken Souls featuring soul-eating dragon
Also, Last Word...
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
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Tzardok
Is that lighting or weather? :smalltongue:
I don't think the weather ever gets cloudy enough to mask the fireballs popping around.
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ShurikVch
Destroying mortal souls is hardly a new thing.
Book of Vile Darkness have "Souls as Power" variant rule, which allow to use souls to pay certain amount of XP cost
Demilich able to devour and completely digest souls
Bastion of Broken Souls featuring soul-eating dragon
Also,
Last Word...
... also, yugoloths.
I am aware of all these. However, with the exception of the BoVD variant, none of these are accessible to simple mortals. Most are also fairly limited in scope, and hard to transfer. One does not simply get control over a Demilich's or Tenebrous' power by killing its owner and picking up what remains.
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
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JoeyTheNeko
hey, long time reader, first time poster, newly registered, want to say I absolutely love these threads.
Always good to hear.
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what happens to reality if the worst fear comes to pass: somehow or other, the lords that lurk in the depths of the far realm turn their attentions to the great wheel?
In all probability, nothing. I suppose it's possible that one of them might stretch out a filament to poke at the anomaly, in which case your worst case scenario is that a small patch of reality has to deal with some being like Father Llymic, or a new Blood Queen gets in. Remember, the Far Realm wants nothing to do with the Great Wheel.
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Naanomi
If there was a large scale conflict between the inner and outer planes (on the scale of the old Law/Chaos wars but with elementals unified on one side and outsiders unified on the other), which side of any would have the advantage?
Is this a serious question? :smallconfused: Or are you just asking deranged and pointless hypotheticals to annoy me?
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how do new elementals form?
Unknown.
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of course, this begs the question do new elementals form at all?
They do.
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ShurikVch
What's with the natural illumination on Planes?
Most planes have some form of natural illumination, whether familiar (the Beastlands), exotic (Arcadia) or ubiquitous (Carceri, Water, Air). Individual layers may differ, but generally most layers of Upper Planes have illuminated skies (Nidavellir being an obvious exception). On the Lower Planes, it gets a bit more hit-and-miss; Carceri, for instance, does not have an illuminated sky - the very ground exudes a reddish illumination. Not the dirt, the rocks, the water - the "down" of the plane seems to radiate this light. Individual layers, again, may or may not have light.
The Far Realm does not have light. The Far Realm does not have dark. If you are perceiving the Far Realm, you have bigger problems.
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WalkingTheShade
Conjecture question:
Oh goodee.
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Let's suppose there exists an artifact that can, in the hands of mortals, kill things deader than dead (no phylactery, ghost, true resurrection, etc.) by destroying the soul.
There is.
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Let's suppose the same artifact, in the hand of a sufficiently powerful being (level 17+ adventurers, demi-gods, unique outsiders, proxies) could potentially (but not easily) definitively erase a power from existence by utterly destroying its very essence.
Nonsensical.
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Let's suppose the item, until now, was hidden and no-one on the plane knows (or seriously believes) it exists. Let's suppose some random clueless stumbles upon it, starts using it, and various beings on the planes learn about its existence and powers.
Why are we doing this?
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Write me a story fro
No. I need a better reason and a more concise endpoint to engage with this sort of thing. "Mere conjecture" is not going to play right now. :smallannoyed:
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
To you know of any artwork that would be better to use for Father Llymic than the official art in the Elder Evils book? If so, could you point me at it please?
The existing art is just a bit too "Mister fat tentacles" for my liking...
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
thanks for answering my questions, oh great and terrible one. though I must say, I have more.
we know that exemplars tend to reform when slain off their home plane. does this apply to elementals, as well? ie an elemental when slain off it's native plane reforms there like examplers do? and what about elemental outsiders slain off their home plane, such as the genie races? do they reform back on their home plane, or is death for them like death for a human anywhere?
also we know that not all exemplars do this. slaad go boom, and modrons don't reform as well.
would you say it's likely that rilmani also don't reform, leaving it so that good and evil exemplar's reform, but the neutral's don't?
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
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afroakuma
No. I need a better reason and a more concise endpoint to engage with this sort of thing. "Mere conjecture" is not going to play right now. :smallannoyed:
Alright. I'll give you more details by PM, when and if I have time to set everything down in writing.
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
Modrons don't reform in the original sense, but their essence returns to the spawning pools from whose new modrons are birthed. I imagine that elementals do something similar; their essence goes back to their plane to create new ones.
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
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Tzardok
Modrons don't reform in the original sense, but their essence returns to the spawning pools from whose new modrons are birthed. I imagine that elementals do something similar; their essence goes back to their plane to create new ones.
that makes sense. though I would still like to hear afros input on the question.
oh and afro I got another one:
would you say that the leaders of the genie races, holding titles of particular planar power and positions to be unique outsiders such as the lords of the nine or a demon prince, or merely the strongest individual members of their kind, like talistid and his companions?
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
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ShurikVch
Destroying mortal souls is hardly a new thing.
Book of Vile Darkness have "Souls as Power" variant rule, which allow to use souls to pay certain amount of XP cost
Demilich able to devour and completely digest souls
Bastion of Broken Souls featuring soul-eating dragon
Also,
Last Word...
Also, Barghests.
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
how many infinite planes/dimensions are theorized to exist in the great wheel?
I can think of:
4 elemental planes.
4 paraelemental planes,
8 quasi elemental planes.
8 semi-elemental planes.
3 energy planes.
4 transitive planes.
1 material plane.
25 outer planes.
and the dimension of temporal prime laid over everything like a layer of tinfoil.
any others I may be missing?
cuz that adds up to 58, if every speculated infinite plane exists.
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
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we know that exemplars tend to reform when slain off their home plane. does this apply to elementals, as well?
Unknown. They probably go poof, though.
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what about elemental outsiders slain off their home plane, such as the genie races?
Unspecified, but I would expect genies do not reform.
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would you say it's likely that rilmani also don't reform, leaving it so that good and evil exemplar's reform, but the neutral's don't?
Reformation among rilmani has not been noted. I would expect them not to; it's not in their idiom.
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JoeyTheNeko
would you say that the leaders of the genie races, holding titles of particular planar power and positions to be unique outsiders such as the lords of the nine or a demon prince, or merely the strongest individual members of their kind, like talistid and his companions?
I would expect them to be elite advanced genies with some class levels under their belts. They may possess templates to give them access to a couple of special powers, but they're nowhere near unique in the way that a Duke of Hell or demon lord is.
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JoeyTheNeko
how many infinite planes/dimensions are theorized to exist in the great wheel?
Yeah I'm not doing this one again. I've done it many many times. I see you've got a tally of your own; go with that one if it suits you.
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
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afroakuma
Unknown. They probably go poof, though.
Unspecified, but I would expect genies do not reform.
Reformation among rilmani has not been noted. I would expect them not to; it's not in their idiom.
I would expect them to be elite advanced genies with some class levels under their belts. They may possess templates to give them access to a couple of special powers, but they're nowhere near unique in the way that a Duke of Hell or demon lord is.
Yeah I'm not doing this one again. I've done it many many times. I see you've got a tally of your own; go with that one if it suits you.
understood. I thought that might be the case. sorry to bother ya, just wanted to ask the masters opinion.
thanks for the answers. they are very enlightening.
Edit: was referring the tally/list thing about being the case. will try to avoid asking such questions again in the future.
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How do the inhabitants of Carceri refer to, categorise and distinguish between the different orbs on the top 5 layers?
Are there any named orbs in canon other than Agathys?
Do orbs have an externally finite size?... I tend to imagine them appearing about the size of Mars' moonlets.
Is an orb subjectively infinite in size to an observer standing upon it?
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just curious, the fact they don't get sustenance from food doesn't mean exemplars don't eat.
we know the hebdomad eat's ambrosia. and presumably, the eldarin and guardianiels do too.
what would be fiendish equivalent be, food wise?
and various races that have pantheons of their own, like elves, dwarves, and gnomes, have a patron deity for each subrace... would that be the case for the major orders of dragons? bahamat for metallic, tiamat for chromatic.
what would be the patron dragon god version of gem, ferrous, and perhaps planar dragons? I sorta doubt the epic dragons would have one.
edited extra question: whose your favorite slaad lord? and whose your favorite member of the hebedomad?
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Dalmosh
How do the inhabitants of Carceri refer to, categorise and distinguish between the different orbs on the top 5 layers?
Not specified. I would expect that many of them simply don't, unless there is a particular dominating feature/master of a particular sphere. The spheres tend to be large enough that this is rarely the case.
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Are there any named orbs in canon other than Agathys?
Agathys isn't just the orb, anything else on the layer would also qualify.
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Do orbs have an externally finite size?
Yes and no. They don't appear infinite when viewed from one another, but the surface area of a given orb may be transfinite.
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Is an orb subjectively infinite in size to an observer standing upon it?
See above.
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JoeyTheNeko
just curious, the fact they don't get sustenance from food doesn't mean exemplars don't eat.
we know the hebdomad eat's ambrosia. and presumably, the eldarin and guardianiels do too.
what would be fiendish equivalent be, food wise?
Anything they like. There are a great many things on which to prey in the Lower Planes. Local flora, fauna, that guy Bill from down in Soul Processing...
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and various races that have pantheons of their own, like elves, dwarves, and gnomes, have a patron deity for each subrace... would that be the case for the major orders of dragons? bahamat for metallic, tiamat for chromatic.
Bahamut is the god of metallic dragons, Tiamat of the chromatic dragons, Sardior of the gem dragons. Other dragons do not have known patrons and may indeed not follow specific ones. Ferrous dragons are represented by Gruaghlothor, who may one day qualify as a hero-deity. Planar dragons have no divine patron.
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edited extra question: whose your favorite slaad lord? and whose your favorite member of the hebedomad?
Ssendam, Zaphkiel.
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
now rereading the previous threads something caught my eye.
there are guns in sigil, and areas of wonderous technology on mechnus.
is there any indication these modern worlds have such things as modern foods?
cuz it would be hilarious to see how races like the halflings or medival humans react to baked brownies, or pizza, or insanely addictive and unhealthy but delicious junk food like we have here on earth. like oreos.
also, just want it to be known that yes, based on my username I love the catfolk race in D&D. sadly, they don't get much love. are there any sources in D&D where catfolk have prominence or special, well known powerful notables?
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
Neither brownies or pizza are all that technologically advanced. If one has the right plants (wheat, tomatoes, chocolate, etc), one could have made them with stone age technology.
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Eldan
Neither brownies or pizza are all that technologically advanced. If one has the right plants (wheat, tomatoes, chocolate, etc), one could have made them with stone age technology.
In both cases, and all such related ones actually, I'd suggest it's the ubiquity of processed ingredients - especially sugar - that give these things their "addictive" quality.
Oreos are gross, though.
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
If one race were going to overrun the entire multiverse and take control of anything, what race would it be? (Basically, what race is most likely to kill everything else, given their disposition?)
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Demons or beholders. Those are the only ones I can think of that are explicitely omnicidal.
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Oh, Beholders like having people around to serve them and to worship them and to gush about how beautiful they are. I don't think they would kill everything if they had the chance.
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
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atemu1234
If one race were going to overrun the entire multiverse and take control of anything, what race would it be? (Basically, what race is most likely to kill everything else, given their disposition?)
seems like demon to me. while devils appear to be a good choice, they don't want to destroy everything, but to own everything.
got another question for ya afro: are there any known or hinted overgods in the great wheel, aside from ao, the highgod, the mysterious overpower of oerth, and the overgod of tellene?
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
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JoeyTheNeko
is there any indication these modern worlds have such things as modern foods?
There is not.
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cuz it would be hilarious to see how races like the halflings or medival humans react to baked brownies, or pizza, or insanely addictive and unhealthy but delicious junk food like we have here on earth. like oreos.
I would expect them to find modern junk food incredibly obnoxious.
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are there any sources in D&D where catfolk have prominence or special, well known powerful notables?
Literal catfolk? You already know the answer. It's a no. Catlike beings? More room on that one. Tabaxi are a notable race of jaguar-people.
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atemu1234
If one race were going to overrun the entire multiverse and take control of anything, what race would it be? (Basically, what race is most likely to kill everything else, given their disposition?)
Everything else dead? Obyriths would definitely do it for kicks.
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
had a random thought based on reading the old threads.
marreloths are potentially the most benign fiend.
whats the most hostile celestial exemplar kind in terms of being violent and aggressive?
also, would you say the lady is beyond the great old ones in terms of powers? heck, could she potentially be a great old one that has come back down through the dimensional barrier?
also is it just me, or are the law uniques stronger then the chaos uniques, but the most powerful non-unique law exemplars (excepting the poor slaad and modrons) are weaker then the most powerful chaos exemplar equivalents. any headcanon on if that's the case and if so, why?
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
The Great Old Ones are not part of the standard cosmology. The closest thing to them are the beings of the Far Realm. The Lady isn't one of them. Trying to define the Lady is an exercise in futility. :smallsigh:
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
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Tzardok
The Great Old Ones are not part of the standard cosmology. The closest thing to them are the beings of the Far Realm. The Lady isn't one of them. Trying to define the Lady is an exercise in futility. :smallsigh:
doesn't mean people won't try. after all, there are many theorys on what she is. I was just wondering how plausible the theory she's a great old one that has remained on this level of reality could be.
also, asked an overgod question but it may have been missed.
what known or hinted overgods do we know of or think exist, besides Ao, the Highgod, The mysterious overpower of oerth and the overgod of tellene?
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
Law stronger than Chaos? Difficult to say. The lawfuls are more organized, of course. But looking at the top dogs of the law alignments... Zaphkiel, Asmodeus, Primus. The chaos top dogs... the Queen of Stars, the Slaad Lords and... Demogorgon? The Queen of Chaos? The Wolf-Spider? Hard to say.
Zaphkiel, well, I'm not sure what he can do. Has he ever done much? But then, the same is true for the Queen of Stars, really. Primus has the advantage of knowledge and that he regrows from any modron around when slain. He embodies his entire race and has basically divine powers. Asmodeus has a multiple choice past and power set, so it's hard to say. The Slaad lords are quite powerful, and they outnumber Primus, but, true to chaos, they hinder each other and themselves. For Evil, well, depends who we nominate, but just from sympathies, I'd give it to Big A.
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
For sheer undiluted combat power are Primus and Ssendam at the top spot.
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
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Eldan
Law stronger than Chaos? Difficult to say. The lawfuls are more organized, of course. But looking at the top dogs of the law alignments... Zaphkiel, Asmodeus, Primus. The chaos top dogs... the Queen of Stars, the Slaad Lords and... Demogorgon? The Queen of Chaos? The Wolf-Spider? Hard to say.
Zaphkiel, well, I'm not sure what he can do. Has he ever done much? But then, the same is true for the Queen of Stars, really. Primus has the advantage of knowledge and that he regrows from any modron around when slain. He embodies his entire race and has basically divine powers. Asmodeus has a multiple choice past and power set, so it's hard to say. The Slaad lords are quite powerful, and they outnumber Primus, but, true to chaos, they hinder each other and themselves. For Evil, well, depends who we nominate, but just from sympathies, I'd give it to Big A.
in general, aside from grey salad and secondus, balors are stronger then pit fiends, and tulani are stronger then throne archons.
but stat wise and CR wise, the law uniques seem stronger then the chaos uniques. morwel is a sorcereress specializing in enchantment, and every member of the hebdomad is a 20th level cleric for example.
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
Ah, well. Published stats. Those are hard to nail down, too. They fluctuate between editions a lot, they are never around for everyone (I've never seen any for Primus, at least) and they can't agree whether they are aspects, avatars or the full creatures.