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Re: Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed
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Originally Posted by
hajo
* nobody of TV was asking where the rifle came from,
or if GK maybe also got other 'new toys'.
That may have been talked about before Caesar showed up. It probably wasn't worth saying more until they tried to get something out of the prisoners. Caesar was probably left with the impression that the rifles were invented by GK. I wonder if Ben knows better.
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Originally Posted by
hajo
* the bat-cams: if Charlie can tap them, he will soon know where Parson is.
In fact, TV has posted a bat in the jail, so Charlie might already know...
There are hundreds or thousands of bats. Charlie has ways of spying that would be more likely to be fruitful than paying attention to individual bats, for example Bunny's thinkagrams.
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hajo
* Someone needs to hint/tell TV that thinkagrams are not really secure.
Maybe that will come up when Bunny has a chat with Maggie.
Yep.
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hajo
* Also, who in the MK is paying the upkeep of Wanda and the Archons ?
Since Ivan is in control of Wanda, he might be paying for hers.
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hajo
BTW, do we know how 'strong' TV is at the moment ?
Not a pushover by any means, but no longer strong enough to collect protection money from its weaker neighbors.
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Re: Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed
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Originally Posted by
eschmenk
1. Yes. Don said so. That was just something Don was hoping was true. Don wasn't making any plans yet.
Don interrupted Caesar's counterattack on a definite threat to sit and plan over a possibility. Don's spent time, goodwill and stunted his own offense for this pipe dream.
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2. OK. The situation for GK would be much worse and FAQ should be a little stronger now than it was then so there would be more cities she should be able to attack.
Are we assuming all the Decrypted have vanished? Because GK is no longer tragically overextended so no worse and while FAQ increased GK's natural production advantage (and FAQ's heir upgrade) completely offsets that, IMO.
We've seen ordinary stabbers promoted to knight. Stanley apparently wants to only dish out the dough to upgrade higher base stat troops (the Hobgoblins) or troops with specials (New guys) while in a position of strength and safety. This is just him being stingy and not taking Jed seriously.
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Well, if you only attacked when you were certain, you wouldn't win many battles. Somehow Jillian was good enough that she survived as a mercenary, so apparently she knew how to check and avoid traps.
Don's itching to attack where the certainties (arkenhammer, money) are bad and the unknowns (natural allies, enemy troops just vanishing because you don't understand them) are the only hopeful indicators. He's also neglecting current problems in favor of his, quite personal, vendetta.
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Well, I was considering the fact that Don trusts her so much that he's effectively given her TV's treasury to be old news. (Yes, that was idiotic.) Relative to that, having Jillian take money at GK's expense, rather than TV's, sounds like an intelligent idea.
Right. The fact that it's old news doesn't stop it being supporting evidence for Don playing the game wrong. That's why FAQ is always bad news in court, even when everyone is expecting the payoff.
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TV has already been in a coalition that tried to destroy GK. That's nothing new. Having FAQ support itself, rather than TV doing it, sounds like a good thing.
Touche. Although they've pretty consistently (book one) provided minimum actual, material support to the cause. Don would have Caesar sent after GK as well. Just conjecture on my part.
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Re: Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed
I think Don probably would have called back Caesar anyway. Capturing Parson was a pretty big deal, after all. I don't think that Don was suggesting that Jillian would do anything against GK unless all decrypted units disappeared. I think Don was making a big deal out of the possibility that Jillian might possibly not have been a complete waste of money simply because that's the closest thing to good news that might support his decisions that he's had in a long time.
I think we both have already made our arguments as well as we can.
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Re: Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed
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Originally Posted by
eschmenk
I think Don probably would have called back Caesar anyway. Capturing Parson was a pretty big deal, after all. I don't think that Don was suggesting that Jillian would do anything against GK unless all decrypted units disappeared. I think Don was making a big deal out of the possibility that Jillian might possibly not have been a complete waste of money simply because that's the closest thing to good news that might support his decisions that he's had in a long time.
I think we both have already made our arguments as well as we can.
I think we agree more than I thought. Who'd have thought that'd be my last thought on the these thoughts? :smallsmile:
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Re: Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed
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Officer Joy
I which I had the self control to just skip a few months of checking. maybe by then there would be a few actual comic updates.
There has been only one in the last 10 updates. :smallannoyed:
But at least this text update was HUGE. :smallsmile:
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Re: Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed
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Originally Posted by
Killer Angel
But at least this text update was HUGE. :smallsmile:
Yeah, but I miss the pretty art. I would have *loved* to see Don's face drawn in that last scene. :smallbiggrin:
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Re: Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed
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She could also directly threaten Charlie. He wants something out of her (since he wants her alive), even if she doesn't fully understand this.
Well, it might be more Charlie's scared of what Gillian would do if she were killed by Gobwin Knob. Wanda would decrypt her, and she would then no longer be under NDA.
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Re: Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed
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gbs5009
Well, it might be more Charlie's scared of what Gillian would do if she were killed by Gobwin Knob. Wanda would decrypt her, and she would then no longer be under NDA.
I wonder if the Arkentools can change who they're attuned to?
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Re: Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed
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DigoDragon
I wonder if the Arkentools can change who they're attuned to?
Apparently they can if the original person is croaked. According to Wanda, Bell was attuned to the Arkenshoes before Judy Gale croaked her and attuned to them herself "over a period of several turns". Bell's sister, Blair, was attuned to the Arkendish before Charlie.
I don't know if an Arkentool can switch while the original person is still uncroaked, though. Also, given that Wanda attuned very rapidly, but Judy Gale took some time, it may be that Wanda's connection with the Arkenpliers is stronger and harder to break than some other attunements.
BTW, I could easily have missed something, but as far as I saw, Wanda talked about the person attuning to the tool, rather than the tool attuning to the person, which is the way you put it. I suspect it's really just a matter of establishing a connection between the tool and the wielder, so I don't know if the distinction matters.
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Re: Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed
I think the "over some turns" bit was just a joke about how in the Wizard of Oz, Dorothy gets the shoes early on but doesn't realize she can use them until the very end.
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Re: Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed
I predict Jillian will decline to join the attack against GK. This will be the final blow to Don.
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eschmenk
BTW, I could easily have missed something, but as far as I saw, Wanda talked about the person attuning to the tool, rather than the tool attuning to the person, which is the way you put it. I suspect it's really just a matter of establishing a connection between the tool and the wielder, so I don't know if the distinction matters.
The implication is that while the person changes to attune to the Tool, the Tool remains unchanged. As is natural.
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Re: Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed
I wonder what sort of person Judy Gale was given that she, unlike Parson, was summoned to be a powerful unit rather than a strategically thinking one. At least that is my understanding of that part of the story.
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Re: Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed
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Lizard Lord
I wonder what sort of person Judy Gale was given that she, unlike Parson, was summoned to be a powerful unit rather than a strategically thinking one. At least that is my understanding of that part of the story.
I think she was summoned to fit a certain lock like a key. Once that lock was opened she did not know what to do.
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Re: Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed
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guttering flame
I predict Jillian will decline to join the attack against GK. This will be the final blow to Don.
I can't see a single reason Jillian would turn down a chance to attack Stanley. She HATES him so much.
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Re: Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed
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HandofShadows
I can't see a single reason Jillian would turn down a chance to attack Stanley. She HATES him so much.
Charlie made a truce on her behalf. And she owes him. So she won't be attacking GK in near term.
She might want to rescue Wanda. Or not. Unsure if those two are still "in love".
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Re: Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed
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Originally Posted by
eschmenk
BTW, I could easily have missed something, but as far as I saw, Wanda talked about the person attuning to the tool, rather than the tool attuning to the person, which is the way you put it. I suspect it's really just a matter of establishing a connection between the tool and the wielder, so I don't know if the distinction matters.
I honestly don't know. Maybe a better way to put it is the tool attunes the wielder to itself?
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Re: Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed
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DigoDragon
I honestly don't know. Maybe a better way to put it is the tool attunes the wielder to itself?
Yeah, except it didn't happen with Ansom, or any of the royals from his side.
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Re: Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed
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halfeye
Yeah, except it didn't happen with Ansom, or any of the royals from his side.
Maybe it just amplifies pre-existing traits?
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Re: Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed
So does the Tool wield its attuner, or does the attuner wield the Tool?
/sodeep
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Re: Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed
Fate wields them both. :smalltongue:
/Wanda
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Re: Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed
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DigoDragon
I wonder if the Arkentools can change who they're attuned to?
If 'attuning' amounts to 'learning to use', I don't see a reason (rulewise)
why not several people could be attuned at the same time.
Of course, the first person might be jealous or something,
and not let other units try it :smallamused:
Eg. Wanda didn't offer the 'pliers to anyone else to try.
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Re: Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed
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The Glyphstone
So does the Tool wield its attuner, or does the attuner wield the Tool?
/sodeep
Sometimes, if your lucky, someone else will help you attune to your Tool.
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Re: Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed
Something mentioned in an update a while back that I didn't see anyone comment on:
At one point, another Croakamancer came close to the Arkenpliers during the fight in the MK, and the Great Minds seemed to think she would be able to attune to them. If true, this would imply that the attunement requirements are vastly simpler than most people think they are.
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Re: Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed
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Aquillion
Something mentioned in an update a while back that I didn't see anyone comment on:
At one point, another Croakamancer came close to the Arkenpliers during the fight in the MK, and the Great Minds seemed to think she would be able to attune to them. If true, this would imply that the attunement requirements are vastly simpler than most people think they are.
Don't remember this. The GM deliberated about taking the pliers and Bonnie (the unarchon) eliminated a croakamancer. Maybe you got those two mixed up?
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Re: Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed
I don't believe the Great Minds were ever shown considering the possibility. At one point Bonnie wondered "What would happen if the Arkenpliers fell to someone like Beth Knell?", but I read that more as a worry than an expectation - i.e. she didn't want to risk it because another croakamancer attuning seemed plausible, not because she had any more reason than us to believe that it was probable.
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Re: Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed
New comic.
Quite disturbing.
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Re: Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed
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-D-
New comic.
Quite disturbing.
Spoiler: New Comic
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A Frankendoll seems on par for the side's motif. Probably trickery to get Parson to confide secrets?
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Re: Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed
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DigoDragon
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A Frankendoll seems on par for the side's motif. Probably trickery to get Parson to confide secrets?
Think Voodoo.
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Re: Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed
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-D-
Think Voodoo.
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Right. I had picked up a voodoo doll vibe even before the latest update, but I don't remember why.
I'm not sure what the "sacrifice some 'crows" was about, though. Was it just calling the blank dolls scarecrows and meaning that they would be used up?
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Re: Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed
Welp. I hope Bill gets a gruesome death.