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Re: My Little Pony XCIX: Leakier Than A Changeling Bathtub!
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Pi Pie
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Ultimately, I am not sure it matters whether Cozy Glow is an adult or not.
- She had a cutie mark. That might be a mark of adulthood in pony society although the ponies in Miss Cheerilee's class do not appear to be treated any different after receiving their marks.
- She develops and executes a complicated plan to remove all magic from the world (a possible extinction level event).
- She does this while allying with Tirek, Equestria's most dangerous criminal.
- She attempts to use Friendship, Equestria's Deus Ex Machina force to seize absolute control of the nation.
- She seems fully aware of her actions and their consequences all while attending classes on Friendship. She does not seem to care.
- She is completely unrepentant at the end. If she was released from Tartarus, she would probably try a similar plan immediately and is therefore still a threat to society. (Note that this is the main difference with Starlight Glimmer).
Cozy Glow is lucky that she lives in Equestria. If she did her actions around our resident lich, she would not be so lucky.
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Oh heck, yeah, assuming I didn't think she was a recruit (and, sadly, she probably isn't really a joiner.
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EDIT: OK, People are saying that Cozy was just a small adult, with that disorder that prevents the body from developing. But I saw nothing in 25/26 to support that. Where does the whole "This is an adult making these choices" instead of "This is a misguided filly" come from? Even ... that guy ... thought she was just a small child and commented on that.
I just said it was that she was just short. (Or more specifically, just a petite build. I mean, why wouldn't that be a thing; given we have seen ponies with much bigger than normal builds, why wouldn't there be smaller ones?)
I got it from the fact that she is attending a university (Twilight called it a school, it it VERY clearly is a college or university) and she is explictly in the same class as the new six, which include Sandbar, who is an adult pony model (older even than the CMC) this entire season, except maybe once at the end, she has been the only filly-sized pony shown in either this or Flim and Flam "schools." (I was explictly looking.)
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Also, the very fact that they did sentence her to Tartarus - something Twilight didn't even so to Starlight (or any of the reformed villains) - because I believe that the characters would do that if they weren't convinced it was absolutely necessary. So yeah, either she's either not a child or she is SO EVIL that not even the princesses of love and friendship could redeem her.
Given the apparentl lack of truth spells, how even could you trust her anyway? She could EASILY just cry some crocodile tears, pretend to reform (how would you TELL?) And then do it all again later.
Worth noting that I said THE EXACT SAME ARGUMENT about Luna all the way back in episode one, because I found it almost offensively stupid how, because she said one line and cried, almost EVERYPONY immediately jumped to the conclusion Celestia was a mean, evil tyrant who had wrongfully abused poor widdle Woona, and i observed how tragically easy it would have been for to her have just put on a show to get out of the immediate problem and try again. (Heck, I thik I said the same about Discord's redemption.)
So it's not even like this exact circumstance hasn't come yp before, and yet THIS TIME is the one where the culprit gets sent to Tartarus...
I suppose, you could say she is so far gone she's like that one kid in Angel, who was inherently Evil to the point of traumatising the demon that possessed him and that shy of execution, the only safe place to put her is the maximumest security facility. Not convinced, personally.
But there is pretty much no amount of convincing me that she's actually a child and not just, y'know, a petite build young adult, I'm afraid. (Especially since that it thematically and literally plays into her ability to make people think she's younger than she is and make it easier to manipulate everyone. She puts up a cute-little-girl facade because people are daft enough to bow more easily to do what she wants - and it WORKS. (Even out-of-universe, apparently... Perhaps I went in the wrong direction, maybe if I had pretended I was a precocious ten-year old female, iwould have been ruling the world by now...))
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(Even out-of-universe, apparently... Perhaps I went in the wrong direction, maybe if I had pretended I was a precocious ten-year old female, I would have been ruling the world by now...)
Probably not, as many of us have a reflexive arsonist instinct where creepy little girls are concerned.
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Re: My Little Pony XCIX: Leakier Than A Changeling Bathtub!
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Rogar Demonblud
Probably not, as many of us have a reflexive arsonist instinct where creepy little girls are concerned.
Yeah, but the point is, I wouldn't have been a creepy little girl. I am actually quite capable of lying convincingly, y'know... (I mean, Cozy wasn't exactly subtle, but they couldn't have made her be considering the Target Audience wouldn't have picked it up.)
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Re: My Little Pony XCIX: Leakier Than A Changeling Bathtub!
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Rogar Demonblud
Probably not, as many of us have a reflexive arsonist instinct where creepy little girls are concerned.
*Looks up from where he's chaperoning/playing along with an interdimensional tea party with Jack the Ripper and Bonesaw*
We do?
(IE, hypothetical Creepy Little Lich Girl version of Bleakbane would have gotten my vote)
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Maybe she's a miniature horse breed?
Also, relevant
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Are you guys saying that Cozy is... a little pony?
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Re: My Little Pony XCIX: Leakier Than A Changeling Bathtub!
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Forum Explorer
So I just found a line that I really wish was canon. Not the story, or idea. Just really wish they'd use this line.
Okay, that was pretty good.
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Hey guys, long time forum stalker here and I've been working on something interesting. I've been comparing and shipping contrasting individual pairings of the Mane 6 to take a look at just how good of friends they are. From looking at similar interests to looking at episodes they are paired up in or have notable interaction and I've been making some interesting conclusions. This came about because season's episode The End in Friends revolves around why Rarity and Rainbow Dash are friends if they have not much in common. I think this is a valid question, not just for Rarity and Dash but for all possible pairings of the Mane 6. The thing is, we know why they are friends: Because of destiny and national security. That's it.
I think Applejack and Rarity are actually more adjacent than any others. Rarity makes pretensions to classiness but she's really as common as mud and grew up in Ponyville surrounded by hicks. Her entire persona is based on reading romance novels and fashion magazines but underneath the hat she's as stubborn and hard working as any farm pony.
Basically I think their relationship looks like this:
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Re: My Little Pony XCIX: Leakier Than A Changeling Bathtub!
So, when they talk about something happening to all of Equestria, is that the whole planet, only the Celestia-ruled pony area, a continent that includes pony-land plus some neighboring nations, or what?
For that matter, "Zebrica" I think is the name of the Zebra nation; there's Yak Yakistan, another nation; what is the name of the pony nation? Is that "Equestria"?
And yea, I am thinking of that last episode. Basically,
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If Cozy was going to just take out magic in Pony-nation, leaving the rest of the whole planet just fine, and turn the number-one power in pony-nation from "control of magic" to "control of friendship", doesn't that basically make her the single best controller/planner Zanatos-style villain they've ever had to face?
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Aotrs Commander
I got it from the fact that she is attending a university (Twilight called it a school, it it VERY clearly is a college or university) and she is explictly in the same class as the new six, which include Sandbar, who is an adult pony model (older even than the CMC) this entire season, except maybe once at the end, she has been the only filly-sized pony shown in either this or Flim and Flam "schools." (I was explictly looking.)
Star Tracker and Sandbar (who uses Star Tracer's model) both struck me as mid-teens Western human-equivalent, from their builds, voices, passtimes, and life circumstances. Sandbar in particular lives at his parents' when he's not boarding at school. Something that was true of none of, say, the Mane Six at the start of the series, barring Applejack.
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So, school or university?
To me, a university differs from "just a school" not just in "age of students", but also in "tries to expand on the sum of knowledge". Universities have grad student programs, where the goal is to come up with new original knowledge.
I don't see this in Twilight's school. But in fairness, I did not see it in Flim/Flam's "FU" either.
Seriously, how did they slip that past the censors?
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Re: My Little Pony XCIX: Leakier Than A Changeling Bathtub!
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zimmerwald1915
Star Tracker and Sandbar (who uses Star Tracer's model) both struck me as mid-teens Western human-equivalent, from their builds, voices, passtimes, and life circumstances. Sandbar in particular lives at his parents' when he's not boarding at school. Something that was true of none of, say, the Mane Six at the start of the series, barring Applejack.
Living with your parents is not an indicator that you're a child--I'm 25 and getting my second college degree and I still live at home.
Maybe Sand Bar can't afford to pay rent or make mortgage payments?
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Rater202
Living with your parents is not an indicator that you're a child--I'm 25 and getting my second college degree and I still live at home.
Maybe Sand Bar can't afford to pay rent or make mortgage payments?
I do too, when not on the station (for a rather... creative... interpretation of "live") and I'm, like 39 next Wednesday.
Also, anypony noticed that "A Practical Guide to Evil" thread a bit down there?
LICHEMASTER, that story is fraking amazing. Finally, a not-even-remotely-hero's journey thing I can totally get behind! Characters I can actually, astoundingly, properly relate too! It's... just perfect! (Albiet on more or less the exact opposite end of the scale from pony.)
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Rainbow Dash & Fluttershy: Pretty much the same relationship in canon, if not closer.
Psst, your inner shipper is showing. ;)
The relationship of Rainbow Dash with Fluttershy is the most interesting to me. Not a ship, mind you, because I can never think of them as partners with any romantic interest, but more like a sisterly relationship. The reason is that I can identify with Rainbow Dash.
Rarity runs a shop where she can immediately make meaningful contact with people that enter her shop and that Rarity has never seen before. Pinkie is very much the same: she can be friends with anyone she meets. Rainbow Dash isn't like that. When she meets a random new pony, she doesn't know what to tell them, always wears a mask hiding her true personality, and can't have a meaningful discussion. She can only really open socialize with friends that she already knows well, and even then only if she finds some common ground with them that they can enjoy together. She can have wild parties with Pinkie Pie, read books with Twilight, or do sports races with Applejack or the Wonderbolts. But even with those friends, Rainbow Dash shows only part of her personality. It's not that she doesn't trust them, but that she can't really open up and show all of her true self. It's only with her very special best friends where that happens: Fluttershy, and to some extent, Scootaloo and Tank.
Fluttershy seems to have this effect where she looks like a special delicate flower that you want to protect, and multiple ponies treat them as a younger sister because of that. Fluttershy has brought out this protective instinct not only from Rainbow Dash, but also at least Rarity and Pinkie Pie. This much about Rainbow Dash and Fluttershy was already shown in S1 E23 and S1 E22, which is why already before S5, I found their relationship special. And Fluttershy can also return something in these relationship: she can really listen to other people's problems just like Momo does in Michael Ende's eponymous book. But we haven't seen a really good example of that happening to Fluttershy and Rainbow Dash until S5. Sure, S2 E7 “May the best pet win” is one of my favourite episodes, where both Fluttershy and Rainbow Dash are in their elements. But it's not a case when Fluttershy really understands Rainbow Dash and can give something special to her, or the reverse either. Fluttershy would find the suitable pet for anyone with similar zeal if they just uttered a word, and she was in fact comically missing the point with Rainbow Dash here. The big moment finally came in S5 E5 “Tanks for the memories”. All of Rainbow Dash's friends ran to help her when she was feeling down, but it was Fluttershy who succeeded to get through to her.
I was more lucky than Rainbow Dash seems to be. I grew up with a loving mother and father and brother, and they help me a lot to this day. Rainbow Dash seems somewhat less lucky, which is why she had to adopt Fluttershy as her sister early. Sure, Rainbow also has loving parents, but she seems to find them much more annoying than I do mine. She did later manage to also find Scootaloo and Tank, and she has a similar excellent connection to them, but Scootaloo is still a bit too young for some things, and Tank can't talk, so it's Fluttershy that Rainbow Dash can rely on the most when she's in trouble and needs a friend.
And as for people who I can talk to about a certain topic, but without having to be very close, like Rainbow Dash can with Pinkie or Twilight or Applejack or Spitfire or Quibble Pants, I must say that the internet has helped me a lot to find such people.
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Need a bit of help again, if you would...
Got a bit of a rush on, got to try and finish the Galactic Liberation Armada infantry today and tomorrow and get 'em uploaded to Shapeways before the new pricing scheme goes live for all new models on Monday (in case they prove to be too much trouble to home-print) and I'm not quite sure the terrorist looks right, specifically, their explosive vests.
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Left? Right?
I think left is probably better, but I'm also not sure that works entirely, either. But you can't afford to be be too detailed at 144th, so i'm not entirely sure how else to approach it.
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This might sound stupid but I really miss when Applejack and Rarity had sleepovers at Twilight's and the villains were sleepy dragons and lonely monsters who just needed a little kindness.
A child was sent to hell on this show! For doing less than what Sugilite Glimmer did.
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A Pony that by all means was in a University Equivalent was sent to Maximum Security Prison for almost ending the world, knowing full well that's what would have happened, and not carring.
Starlight was repentant and wasn't aware of the full consequences of messing with the past like that.
Everyone else became repentant when they realized or were confronted with evidence that they were wrong.
The short college Student was not.
(God Damn, this is worse than everyone playing into Panacea's narcissism in the Worm Fandom.)
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A Pony that by all means was in a University Equivalent was sent to Maximum Security Prison for almost ending the world, knowing full well that's what would have happened, and not carring.
Starlight was repentant and wasn't aware of the full consequences of messing with the past like that.
Everyone else became repentant when they realized or were confronted with evidence that they were wrong.
The short college Student was not.
These are all correct observations. But they miss the forest for the trees. Why design characters this way?
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zimmerwald1915
These are all correct observations. But they miss the forest for the trees. Why design characters this way?
To dupe the audience into thinking the short college student is a small child to deflect suspicion from them until the reveal at the end.
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Left? Right?
I think left is probably better, but I'm also not sure that works entirely, either. But you can't afford to be be too detailed at 144th, so i'm not entirely sure how else to approach it.
Left. The yellow bands break things up better and make the design more pleasing to the eye. At least until they go bang.
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Manga Shoggoth
Left. The yellow bands break things up better and make the design more pleasing to the eye. At least until they go bang.
Ta. Bit o'luck, tomorrow I should have it all done (three terrorists and two Stingers, plus making the RPK MG... Not too bad (infantry is just such a pain...!)
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Basically I think their relationship looks like this:
Not bad, though I dunno why the author used "arms" when "forelegs" is a perfectly serviceable word that more accurately defines pony appendages. :smalltongue:
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Given the occasionally fractured English in the comic, they might not have known that word.
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Rogar Demonblud
Given the occasionally fractured English in the comic, they might not have known that word.
I feel that the internet was made for learning something like that. Ah well, the comic is still touchingly cute.
Speaking of cute, these 3D pony model animations have reached an AMAZING level of detail. Expressions are quite smooth. :3
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I feel a little mixed on S8. Probably because I dislike school settings most of the time. On some occasion the teachers seemed to be worse at this whole friendship thing that the students.
Speaking of the students, the diversity 6 and their dynamic are adorable. I wouldn't mind having more of them around. If I was writing I would probably have had them be the kids of diplomats instead of boarding students. You can still have the nationalist bigot walking around stirring trouble and this way I think you would have gotten more world building from examinations of their cultures. Main 6 are still almost certainly going to be around them allot in a chaperone capacity. The lessons the mane 6 learned get passed onto them and from them to their parents. How do you shoehorn in the twist villain? Maybe place her as the child of someone with some clout in Celestia's court... I admit this is though just bending over backwards because of my not entirely rational dislike of the overused school setting.
I suspect the writers had no idea how to explain the pen pal situation's beginning so choose to just gloss over it. I get that people might be upset that Chrysalis was underused and used as a red herring. The twist wasn't all that surprising but I'm not the target audience. I was just happy to see her around.
As for the fate of the villain. I suppose if I over thought it the prison is a bit harsh. Even zoo's are held to higher comfort standards. But no... she belongs imprisoned. Maybe not there... next to her co-conspirator. But somewhere and for some time. She's not shown to have some innate ability that would preclude her being locked up in a more traditional jail. Though if let free maybe she could try to gain some random artifacts and attempt the ritual again so she's probably still somewhat dangerous. Pretty much every other villain who was allowed free and converted to good has shown some remorse and that they were broken in some way that could be fixed. Also they were shown that it was possible to make them want to be reformed. While they were all dangerous there seemed to be some plan on what to do with them.
I kinda have it as my head canon that Celestia has someone planted near Starlight Glimmer or maybe even Princess Luna ready to take them out if the need arises. And I think Discord was only unpetrified directly in front of the mane 6 in case it was immediately obvious he needed to be put back to decorating the garden. But I'm a bit hazy on that whole thing.
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Re: My Little Pony XCIX: Leakier Than A Changeling Bathtub!
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Aotrs Commander
Need a bit of help again, if you would...
Got a bit of a rush on, got to try and finish the Galactic Liberation Armada infantry today and tomorrow and get 'em uploaded to Shapeways before the new pricing scheme goes live for all new models on Monday (in case they prove to be too much trouble to home-print) and I'm not quite sure the terrorist looks right, specifically, their explosive vests.
Spoiler: Terrorist
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https://photos.smugmug.com/Primary-G...ist%20v1-L.png
Left? Right?
I think left is probably better, but I'm also not sure that works entirely, either. But you can't afford to be be too detailed at 144th, so i'm not entirely sure how else to approach it.
Agreed, the one on the left is better because you have something holding up the explosives.
The cylindrical, red explosives look a little cartoony to me. It reminds me of Bugs Bunny using hot dogs as a fake TNT.
If the explosives were grayish bricks like C4, they might look better. Additional detail like wires and detonators would also help, but that is a bit excessive for the scale.
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Pi Pie
Agreed, the one on the left is better because you have something holding up the explosives.
The cylindrical, red explosives look a little cartoony to me. It reminds me of Bugs Bunny using hot dogs as a fake TNT.
If the explosives were grayish bricks like C4, they might look better. Additional detail like wires and detonators would also help, but that is a bit excessive for the scale.
They are supposed to be a bit cartoony - heck, even the source material was.
The Galactic Liberation Armada are... not bright.
(I even made one of the poses a homage to the Generals Terrorist running waving their arms above their heads.)
I went with "dynamite" on the basis that - especially when painted red - it IS recognisable (thanks to the cultural osmosis, a lot of which is due to cartoons!) so it would, in theory, be more visible and recognisable than square blocks - you wouldn't be able to have any more block than sticks, and I figured they'd look worse, especially, as you correctly surmise, wires and detonators are well beyond what you can do. I'm not even 100% sure how the "dynamite" will come out, honestly.
Anyway, that's what's been uploaded to Shapeways (I did a whole platoon of GLA infantry) - that was priority for today, since the pirce changes come in for all new models Monday, so if I can't do them sanely on the Rep 2, I have a back-up. (There's an ASP printing currently, but the next job will be trying said infantry and we'll see how they come out...!)
Edit: Well, Simplify saw the "sticks", so that's a good start - half an hour or so, and the first four will have printed and then we'll see...!
Edit edit: Aaand a bit longer than that, since first try was a bust, too many supports...
Edit edit edit: And result is... inconsclusive. Couldn't get a photo to do a even closely passable job, and about the only thing I learned was there really is not point trying to print more than one at a time, since what I could on the four I printed was stringing. Might try again in the morning when the loight is better. (And this is why I wanted to get 'um up today ready in case I need 'em doin', when I have potentially forty (four each of ten difference infantry) as four minutes per, that's a lot of faff...)
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Aotrs Commander
They are supposed to be a bit cartoony - heck, even the source material was.
Aaaah, okay then.
What role do the terrorists serve in the army that you are building?
For large scale army fighting, I would imagine that they are mostly cannon fodder combined with really good distractions.
I assume that they are fairly cheap to buy. They look lightly armored and should be easy to take out if hit. However, they can probably do significant damage if they get in position to detonate themselves.
They should also make an army invading an area with lots of cover (forest, urban, etc.) have to go slow with lots of overwatch to prevent ambushes.
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Rater202
To dupe the audience into thinking the short college student is a small child to deflect suspicion from them until the reveal at the end.
Assumes the conclusion.
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zimmerwald1915
Assumes the conclusion.
Of course, it does, the conclusion is obvious.
Why did the writers make the villain look like a small child?
To make the people watching the show think that the villain is a small child.
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Pi Pie
Aaaah, okay then.
What role do the terrorists serve in the army that you are building?
For large scale army fighting, I would imagine that they are mostly cannon fodder combined with really good distractions.
I assume that they are fairly cheap to buy. They look lightly armored and should be easy to take out if hit. However, they can probably do significant damage if they get in position to detonate themselves.
They should also make an army invading an area with lots of cover (forest, urban, etc.) have to go slow with lots of overwatch to prevent ambushes.
Honestly? Probably little more than colour and a brief distraction for the enemy for a round of shooting, maybe. I would expect them to be about as effective, if not less so, than the suicide shuttles in Accelerate and Attack - incredible difficult to use functionally and largely totally ineffective (except on the rare occasions they actually work). In MG, the chances of them being in a position to launch a proper close assault attack seem pretty remote - but hey, they might be able to knobble an enemy squad in a building...!
But it wouldn't be right to not have them...!
(Still not convinced they've worked - I might have to replace the sticks as it is, with, like, two really big ones front and back. Forgot to try taking a photo during the daylight to check...)