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Re: Dresden Files II: Dealing Drugs To Tiny Faeries
Go on a ten week bender, steal the book two days before it comes out, hop in a hot-tub to 1948, and bury it in a time capsule. Then right now you can get the time capsule and share it with the internet, since you can claim copyright. (You had it in 1948!)
Hmm... wait, I see a flaw. :smalleek:Stealing is a crime. Add 2 days to that bender and buy the book. :smallsmile:
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I knew someone was gonna give me crap about how 10 weeks is slightly less than 72 days. :smallbiggrin: Oh, and nice passing reference to "Hot Tub Time Machine," almost missed it I did.
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So, rereading Grave Peril, and wouldn't you know; Lea makes a reference as to how children are so wonderfully moldable... especially Michael's oldest daughter.:smalleek:
Well played, sir, well played.
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I KNOW RIGHT. Read GP and SK and your mind will be BLOWN with all of the foreshadowing.
Don't pay attention to everything in GP that contradicts later things though, like Harry going into the Nevernever from his laboratory. :smalltongue:
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Kuulvheysoon
So, rereading Grave Peril, and wouldn't you know; Lea makes a reference as to how children are so wonderfully moldable... especially Michael's oldest daughter.:smalleek:
Well played, sir, well played.
Yep. When I got to Grave Peril and read that bit, I freaked. I think I may have done so on this very thread, in fact.
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Mauve Shirt
I KNOW RIGHT. Read GP and SK and your mind will be BLOWN with all of the foreshadowing.
Don't pay attention to everything in GP that contradicts later things though, like Harry going into the Nevernever from his laboratory. :smalltongue:
Yeah, the Nevernever bit made me pause for a second. I wonder how many more retconned tidbits like that there are.
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Kuulvheysoon
Yeah, the Nevernever bit made me pause for a second. I wonder how many more retconned tidbits like that there are.
The Nevernever changes all the time. Harry, just hadn't been there in a while during C-c-c-c-changes. (Actually, I'm not sure if he said he had never been in his House's NN before or not.) But that could have been avoided with a bit of clever wording.
Anyway there are no retconned tidbits. Just Harry being a derp, and the laws of magic changing on you. They do that sometimes. :smalltongue:
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I don't think it counts as retconning, but it seems like Harry can't quite decide if he's good at evocation or not. There are numerous times when he says he's better at thaumaturgy, especially early on, and then he just sorta constantly blows stuff up like it's going out of style. I guess you could say it's that he just has a lot of RaW pOWeR so it's not so important that he actually kinda sucks at it, but I feel like he kinda keeps changing his story.
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Dresden is like Andre the Giant with a Sword, as far as Evocation goes- lots of power, no skill, at least at the beginning of the series. He's better with Thamaturgy.
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Ha, funny you should say that, just today I read something saying that while some of the other wizards are like Inigo Montoya (highly skilled, practice makes perfect, etc.), Dresden is basically Fezzik but less sporting - waits till you show up, then hits you with a big-ass rock when you're not expecting it.
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Gnome Alone
I don't think it counts as retconning, but it seems like Harry can't quite decide if he's good at evocation or not. There are numerous times when he says he's better at thaumaturgy, especially early on, and then he just sorta constantly blows stuff up like it's going out of style.
I don't see any contradictions there. At the start of the series, he's a magical detective who's better at thaumaturgy than evocation because magical detecting gives him a lot of thaumaturgical practice and not so much practice with evoking, hence the lots of raw power and little skill. Then he keeps running into cases that require lots of evocation as well as thaumaturgy, and all the opportunities to FUEGO! things to death lets him practice his evocation until he's pretty darn good with both of them (but still technically better at thaumaturgy).
He even mentions a few times in the later books that after spending lots of time training Molly in veils, shields, and other spirit evocations and having to revisit his basics to do so, he's gotten a lot better with evocations himself, so it seems like a deliberate progression rather than "Gee, I need Harry to be better at evocations for this plot, so now he is."
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Gnome Alone
I don't think it counts as retconning, but it seems like Harry can't quite decide if he's good at evocation or not. There are numerous times when he says he's better at thaumaturgy, especially early on, and then he just sorta constantly blows stuff up like it's going out of style. I guess you could say it's that he just has a lot of RaW pOWeR so it's not so important that he actually kinda sucks at it, but I feel like he kinda keeps changing his story.
I thought it was pretty clear from the beginning that Harry's evocations are big and flashy, not because he's so good with them, but because he is in fact quite bad at them. Harry wrecks entire buildings with single spells by accident - that's not a sign of masterful competence.
The arrival of the Wardens in Dead Beat gives us a look at how the real pros use evocation: precise, focused, controlled, efficient. They drop opponents just as quickly and thoroughly, but with somewhat less effort... and massively less collateral damage.
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Exactly, Luccio's new body has much less power then Dresden, but pre changes they'res no doubt that she could roflstomp him because she's way better at fighting then he is
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Harry shoots Scorching Rays and Fireballs in combat. Rodriguez fires Disintegrates.
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And Molly casts Invisibility, Major Image and Dominate Person. The munchkin.
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Nah, she's not allowed to cast Dominate Person anymore. She does have a mean Widened Intensified Extended Color Spray, though.
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That's what all those piercings were - refluffed metamagic rods!
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Can I just say that the 4 posts above mine are what makes this forum so great. When we need to explain something about magic we compare it to DnD casting. :smalltongue:
to the point though: I think Harry has gained a couple of levels, gained a template, lost that template, gained 2 others in the process and updated his equipment. I'd say it's not a retcon, but growth. Though it's telling that while he was mainly good at thaumaturgy in the beginning, his school of hard knocks has insisted he take advanced evocation. I'd like to see him get better at evocation by training a bit with Ramirez. That guy is seriously good at what he does.
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We also saw just how gently Mab trained Harry to improve his evocation. I doubt she will be much kinder now. And I don't see Demonreach objecting too strenuously; a Warden that cannot protect himself will not be useful.
Harry did recently lose all his equipment though. Did he ever get his mother's gem and knowledge back?
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MammonAzrael
We also saw just how gently Mab trained Harry to improve his evocation. I doubt she will be much kinder now. And I don't see Demonreach objecting too strenuously; a Warden that cannot protect himself will not be useful.
Harry did recently lose all his equipment though. Did he ever get his mother's gem and knowledge back?
I was under the impression he still has his amulet. Since Mab was so nice to put the gem in the pentacle in a decent (read: using actual silversmithing, as opposed to glue and tape) manner, it should be still there with him. I do understand that he has had some time to rebuild his equipment while on the island.
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Socratov
I was under the impression he still has his amulet. Since Mab was so nice to put the gem in the pentacle in a decent (read: using actual silversmithing, as opposed to glue and tape) manner, it should be still there with him. I do understand that he has had some time to rebuild his equipment while on the island.
The pentacle bit makes sense.
I recall him making (planning to make?) a new staff out of the oldest oak in Demonreach; do we know if he has accomplished that? Aside from that, has there been any mention of replacing his blasting rod, coat, bracket, etc.? I don't recall any.
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MammonAzrael
The pentacle bit makes sense.
I recall him making (planning to make?) a new staff out of the oldest oak in Demonreach; do we know if he has accomplished that? Aside from that, has there been any mention of replacing his blasting rod, coat, bracket, etc.? I don't recall any.
At the end of Cold Days he's holding the branch he plans to turn into a staff. Since that's the most recent bit of Dresden (unless you count the youtube video of Jim reading chapters from Skin Game) we have to just assume he did that.
Assuming he had the right magical materials (remember, he's starting from scratch out on the island) we can assume he would subsequently make a blasting rod and re-ink the protective tattoos on his new leather jacket. I doubt he's been able to construct a new shield bracelet on the island since that requires serious metal working, smelting and casting the little shields and the bands out of various metals. He probably doesn't have those tools.
In reply to the questions about his amulet, there was a scene just before his party in Cold Days where he gets his mother's amulet back. Mab even had some jewelers or the nevernever equivalent work on it so the stone fit well and wasn't being held on by a big blob of glue. Interestingly, though, when he walks through the big circle on Demonreach, barbecues his clothes and walks out naked on the other side, he hands Thomas his gun and his new jacket first to stop them from being destroyed, but it never mentions his necklace. So a stickler for detail would assume it was destroyed along with everything else he was wearing. I'm sure Jim just forgot to mention it, though. It's too important to just disappear. It's like in Storm Front. Harry uses the amulet against Bianca, then he sets it down on the table, and it never mentions him picking it up again. We just assume he has it with him when he leaves, like we have to assume that he made sure it didn't get destroyed in Cold Days.
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datalaughing
At the end of Cold Days he's holding the branch he plans to turn into a staff. Since that's the most recent bit of Dresden (unless you count the youtube video of Jim reading chapters from Skin Game) we have to just assume he did that.
Assuming he had the right magical materials (remember, he's starting from scratch out on the island) we can assume he would subsequently make a blasting rod and re-ink the protective tattoos on his new leather jacket. I doubt he's been able to construct a new shield bracelet on the island since that requires serious metal working, smelting and casting the little shields and the bands out of various metals. He probably doesn't have those tools.
In reply to the questions about his amulet, there was a scene just before his party in Cold Days where he gets his mother's amulet back. Mab even had some jewelers or the nevernever equivalent work on it so the stone fit well and wasn't being held on by a big blob of glue. Interestingly, though, when he walks through the big circle on Demonreach, barbecues his clothes and walks out naked on the other side, he hands Thomas his gun and his new jacket first to stop them from being destroyed, but it never mentions his necklace. So a stickler for detail would assume it was destroyed along with everything else he was wearing. I'm sure Jim just forgot to mention it, though. It's too important to just disappear. It's like in Storm Front. Harry uses the amulet against Bianca, then he sets it down on the table, and it never mentions him picking it up again. We just assume he has it with him when he leaves, like we have to assume that he made sure it didn't get destroyed in Cold Days.
Who says Harry hasn't got Thomas to get him materials, to rebuild all his toys. Oh, and then there are the blue blue gems in the cufflinks. We also know that Harry associates the colour blue with safety and protection. It would require him to wear shirts with cuffs though... Oh, and wouldn't Demonreach have some nice stuff available in some old locker room form a previous Warden. I mean, I think Harry has more then enough stuff to work with to have toys, equipment and gizmos to point at Ol' Nick.
You know, I'd love to see nick end up in one of those spots on Demonreach. That should be fun. Not only would we have a heist book, but a prisonbreak as well :smallamused:
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I'm sure binding a fallen angel into the prison would not fail and end well for everyone. Just like I'm sure that the coin has no ability to corrupt Demonreach.
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Actually, I wonder...how do we know there aren't already fallen angels sealed away in the prison? We already know that a passel of naagloshii can be found in the low security portions of the prison, right?
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Lamech
I'm sure binding a fallen angel into the prison would not fail and end well for everyone. Just like I'm sure that the coin has no ability to corrupt Demonreach.
Wow, now that is a scary thought. "Hey, where's all the prisoners?" "I LET THEM OUT." "Y'know, we really need to work on your inside voi--wait, you WHAT?!"
But actually, I think the Dresdenverse is all about free will; if Demonreach has none I think he'd actually be safe from the Denarii.
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Personally, I don't expect anything in Demonreach to get out until the Apocalyptic Trilogy. And even then, it'll be on Harry's orders, as some sort of elder god work-release program to recruit extra muscle against the Outsiders. He is the Warden, after all.
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I'm pretty much on board with the theory that the British guy is Merlin, and in Harry's basically-I'm-Merlin storyline he's going to end up with too much power and one of his buds will stick him in Demonreach.
And then he'll break out and the apocalypse will happen.
The only problem with this theory is it involves Dresden going a teensy bit evil and his friends going back to that "Don't trust Harry" state of the early books, but let's be honest the latter has already begun with his acceptance of the Winter Knight mantle and the former has always been a possibility.
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Gnome Alone
Wow, now that is a scary thought. "Hey, where's all the prisoners?" "I LET THEM OUT." "Y'know, we really need to work on your inside voi--wait, you WHAT?!"
But actually, I think the Dresdenverse is all about free will; if Demonreach has none I think he'd actually be safe from the Denarii.
Or infinitely more vulnerable as he has no free will with which to resist their manipulations.
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Personally, I don't expect anything in Demonreach to get out until the Apocalyptic Trilogy. And even then, it'll be on Harry's orders, as some sort of elder god work-release program to recruit extra muscle against the Outsiders. He is the Warden, after all.
I still think the reason they weren't all killed was because the prison was designed to be a "break ward in case of Outsider" last ditch effort. It also fits with my theory that in Cold Days the goal was to explode the prison before Halloween ended.
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I'm sure binding a fallen angel into the prison would not fail and end well for everyone. Just like I'm sure that the coin has no ability to corrupt Demonreach.
Oh yes, i agree with this statement.
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Or infinitely more vulnerable as he has no free will with which to resist their manipulations.
But if DR doesnt have any free will.. then there will not be anything for the fallen to manipulate.
The Fallens corruption is all about manipulating the choices the wearer of the coin takes, and if the wearer cant chose to give up his will in service to the fallen, then the fallen can whisper all it want, it is not going to change anything.
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I'm pretty much on board with the theory that the British guy is Merlin, and in Harry's basically-I'm-Merlin storyline he's going to end up with too much power and one of his buds will stick him in Demonreach.
The biggest problem with this is honestly that Merlin should not sound British..
I honestly cant say how fast the English tongue changes, but from the way that guy speaks, then he honestly should not have been in there for more than.. i dont know.. 50-100 years?
Because else he should have sounded seriously out of place.. or well more so than a British guy in a cave full of eldrich abominations should.