Nvm. There's this.
The reason was Haruki told to me to. But, now Haruki's dead.
Why would he test me with something for me to do after his death?
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Reason why I haven't posted much lately is because a lot of work and tons of Sick at the moment. I've been posting a little where and when possible, but I haven't really been able to keep up with analysis or the like.
Right now, I'm sorry but I'm just putting a placeholder vote on Rain Dragon. I have a lot to catch up on and I hate doing it this late in the game, but it's that or be Auto'd and I'd hate that more.
Internet Flea, why would Sprig want you dead if you aren't a wolf.
Deathslayer. Do you see this? Like at all? Like the part where it would have been way less insane for Sprig to have just said he scried or for some other reason thought IF was a wolf if Sprig thought IF was a wolf? How much more evidence do we need that there is something seriously wrong with Tanar's behavior? Or would you just believe anyone claiming anything and ignore anything they said and did aside from that? Like... if I claim to be Superman will you forever continue to believe I can see through walls even though FC is doing a chicken dance on the other side of a wall from me and I clearly have no idea?
Honestly, I hope you're a wolf even though I'm at this point fairly sure you aren't Deathslayer. At least that would be an excuse for why you're trying to paint me as a wolf over practically nothing and trying to ignore Tanar doing.... whatever this is at this point.
Until I hear a counter claim, I assume it is true. That's what any town person would assume.
I don't think IF would be silenced if wolf. It could happen, but not the best move on the wolves part.
I will have to say Otakuryoga. Being not participating doesn't help town, and if you are a wolf, we can't let this slide.
No. Any town person would think about if he's likely to be a wolf or not. You're not all that trustworthy yourself at this point, why do you assume anyone is going to claim to you? You're not the seer or the baner or announced by them as the network's spokesperson. Considering you yourself were up there on the suspects recently I don't see any reason to believe you're even part of the network. All you are is the person who is lovers with another person. Which is normally a neutral role. And that assumes it wasn't just a wolf gambit to avoid you getting killed. Just because you're not currently super suspicious like Tanar is doesn't mean people should rule you out as a wolf just because you said so. You certainly are making excuses not to lynch someone who in any other game everyone would have piled on and have tried to re-direct the lynch on what three other people today? Which sends the message that you're pretty much ok with anyone aside from Tanar. And while doing so claiming that those people are clearly wolves based on one random hunch or so. So yeah, at this point I'm going to stop treating you as if your opinion should actually hold any more weight rather than just being your vote alone. And I will very much hope that other people will join me in actually trying to lynch what is clearly a wolf throwing out any excuse for people not to lynch him.
Edit: Ok anyone who isn't Deathslayer, could you please explain why people are going after a random silent guy right now over Tanar who's trying to say we should lynch IF based on the Seer NOT saying he's a wolf?
So you are willing to lynch a possible good power role?
A claim to me is the best case scenario for the real Captain (if it isn't Tanar). Why you ask?
You are right, I did have a lover claim for me. That gives me a hell of a better credibility than others. True it could be a wolf ploy, but what is the gain? I survive a little longer at the cost of another wolf? Not worth it. If I was a wolf, they would have cut their losses and let me die; not try to save me so openly. So the only other option is I must be a Lover.
Also, the Devil is still alive, so at this point the wolves know most of the roles and who everyone is.
As for lynching Tanar, you would risk lynching a possible good power role? That right there is purely anti-town. I already said it and I will say it again, lynching a possible power role is purely anti-town. The best thing to do right now is wait. If he is the Captain, the wolves will try to kill him seeing as he can turn the tide of the lynch. if he isn't well then we still have time. Hopefully there is a drone out there that can scry roles. It would be best to wait for it. I will give him the benefit of the doubt for now.
Third I don't appreciate the demeaning attacks on myself. If you don't think my opinion is worth anything that's fine, but to openly say such things is a wolf tactic at best, rude at worst.
Messages regarding the item I received and the hijacking last night. Claim I made them up if you want, they are what they are and it's your choice whether or not to believe them.
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Originally Posted by Nonayer
Sprig's request to kill you came after Haruki died, so nice theory there. Not to mention the fact that I was under no obligation to do anything for Sprig so come up with a better conspiracy theory next time please.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nonayer
It's kind of funny but this is the most open I've been with information in any of my games in recent history when I was under zero obligation to reveal anything. If I really wanted to help the wolves why would I have freely given the information I did?
Truth is, I have made 0 contact with anyone outside of Sprig/Haruki so I was fully expecting wolves to start tossing doubt on me eventually to try get me lynched and potentially waste a few town powers along the way.
Network, if Haruki did share the information I shared with him with you guys and IF was privy to it, well, you can piece together where the most likely source of that leak is.
Sure sounds like Haruki was still alive to me, so nice try to dodge there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sprig
Okay. I will preface this by saying that there's been so much today that I haven't even tried to get a grasp on all of it. I don't know why in the world role claims are being thrown about everywhere. I don't really know why much of anything that happened today happened. ...well, I do know that Deathslayer7's telling the truth about AsteronIronhoof being scried as a crew member... :smallsigh:
Off of the AsteronIronhoof thing, we have a few possible things to look at: 1) people who pushed the AsteronIronhoof lynch and 2) people who pushed against people who pushed against the AsteronIronhoof lynch. The problem here, of course, is that town at this point didn't realize that AsteronIronhoof could be anything BUT wolf, and, generally speaking, would use this to look for connections and start lynching potential wolves. I mean, I was also doing that. The point is that villagers will be there as well. Now, were there wolves on that wagon? Almost assuredly. It was voting to lynch the "Devil," and there were people definitely against the lynch, both days. I'd look at the people pushing Aventine or the like on Day 3, but that was bringing me to Tanar and, well, today's claim... >.>
So yeah. I still haven't caught up. I haven't even tried to get back to roleplaying. I've been trying to make sense of this game, but there isn't much I can say so far. The IF/FC/Tanar thing is strange, but I don't know what to say? I hate how I've not been able to get any feel of this game yet, and the misinformation (not lack of information but misinformation) throughout is quite annoying to pick through. I mean, I had AsteronIronhoof as wolf, then I was told he could be town. Now I'm told that he's definitely town, so... yep. We can't really telegraph lynches for fear of misinformation, so we can't really plan in advance. I'm not really sure what to do in this game. At all. :smallsigh:
One thing I find odd is that there apparently was no network? I mean... Sprig was a Seer, right? Did he not scry anyone? ...am I missing something else? :smallconfused:
Anyway, my vote is still up in the air. I don't know what to do about this game. I really just don't know right now. And I'm still behind on work...
Nice to see your drone allows you to kill the dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fleeing Coward
I just thought of something, there's an easy way to tell if Tanar is lieing or not. Since I don't think I'll get anywhere with ramsus and aspi tonight seeing as both of them are trying to discredit me, let's go in a new direction.
I feel this wagon on Tanar is being pushed way too hard like the Asteron wagon was. I'm pretty sure that the wolves might have disguised him. But enough of that for now, to my idea:
It seems people want Tanar and Internet Flea lynched. Well how about this:
we tie the votes of both of them. If Tanar is the captain, then Internet Flea should be lynched.
If Tanar is not the captain, I ask the real captain to make sure that the votes be tied. I leave it to you to decide how to do this. This should tell us whether or not he is lieing.
Internet Flea
I'm okay with this plan, as long as Duck999, Ramsus and/or Fleeing Coward vote for me. (I guess it's pointless to try to draw a kill now; I'm a Beast with a limited aim.)
@Fleeing Coward: Isn't that what you said? My theory was wrong because Sprig didn't know about your power until after Haruki died?
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Tanar Aerdoth I suppose.
Engineer Dawn looks at everyone.
Who will rise up to help our Captain!? she asks of them.
Deathslayer, I wasn't specifically trying to discredit you. I just don't see any specific reason people should trust you so much as to claim to you. Yes you have the probably actually lovers thing, but on the other hand you've said some stuff that just seems really off to me and I doubt I'm the only one who'd see those statements that way. (Though I doubt that a lot and I'm not always right so.... *shrug*)
Either way, this is probably the best plan I've heard today. It's better than relying on my instincts (even if they're pretty well backed up by Tanar's behavior). If Tanar really is the Captain IF dies. And in that case IF probably was something to be worried about after all. If not... actually what happens on a tie in this game? Is it first person to the tie dies? Both people? No lynch at all? I just checked the rules and I can't see where/if it says. That being the case, we should probably arrange it so that Tanar reaches the tied number first so that if he's lying he'll wind up lynched and we won't have given the wolves a free lynch on IF and have to waste the next day lynching Tanar and getting absolutely no information.
I'm going to keep my vote where it is so as not to cause confusion. I'll also edit in a tally of Tanar/IF votes in a bit.
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Just decided to go with a general vote tally.
Vote Tally
Tanar Aerdoth: 2 (Ramsus, Internet Flea)
Internet Flea: 2 (Tanar Aerdoth, Deathslayer7)
otakuryoga: 3 (Shadow, Rain Dragon, Duck999)
Rain Dragon: 1 (Wolfbane)
Uh yeah, as we can see here we need the people on otakuryoga to pull off of him and get on other wagons in the order of Tanar then IF. I think getting them both to 4 votes each would be best to avoid trouble from anyone after that assuming another person who has been silent will show up and vote. Everyone else just do one off votes on some random person to avoid autolynching? (Also, where is everyone? We have 8 votes out of 16.)
I count two for me, two for Tanar, and four for otakuryoga.
...maybe we should just make otaku the alternative.
I like this plan. I just can't see how IF can be town from my perspective.
@IF do you have any defense that would work under the assumption that I'm telling the truth?
Because if you're not the captain, Death wants to ensure you die today.
Yes; taking Duck999, Ramsus or Fleeing Coward with me when I get lynched. Seriously, apart from being one of the few talkative players left, I'm pretty disposable.
But I wouldn't mind otakuryoga getting lynched today instead; apart from Fleeing Coward I'd prefer to lynch a quiet player today, we've got quite a lot of them.
Don't get me involved in this. I made it clear I'm not taking sides this game and me assisting here would be exactly that :smalltongue:
I'm willing to risk my (or preferably FC's) death if it means we're more likely to get a wolf/anti-towny neutral-thing??? lynched today.
@FC: You are already very clearly involved by your action of silencing IF, so you've kinda voided any right to be asked to be left alone by both sides. Not being involved would have been not doing anything at all. Also I do believe you still need to vote to avoid autolynching. So personally I think if IF has to weird-beast??? someone, then the claimed neutral who talks about not being involved but got involved anyway would actually be the best target for it if IF doesn't think he could hit a wolf. Even if that results in the wolves being one body closer to victory, at least it wouldn't remove someone who's actually going to try and find wolves from the game.
I wasn't actually telling you to vote for either of them. I'm not on IF's wagon either so it doesn't sound like to me that his ability is a normal beast. I was just nominating you for the target of it if it's something he can choose (or sounds like choose based on certain criteria I can't particularly figure out). Also, I don't see how doing Sprig a favor means you remained unbiased. Sprig was the seer, who is crew which is a side. It doesn't matter how many times you helped a side, you helped any side at least once. That's not remaining uninvolved. Not that I really care, I'd nominate you to die instead of any member of the crew anyway as you're not specifically on our side. I was just pointing out that it's silly of you to claim you're taking a stance of not being involved when you already did something at the request of one side.
He's asking for one of us to vote for him which clearly means he can't choose someone who didn't cause his death.
I said I didn't intend to help either side but as a neutral who needs to survive to win, I only look out for one person and that's me. Sprig contacted me in good faith even knowing that I did have the option to pick a side permanently so I helped him out when he requested it because it doesn't hurt me.
If anyone actually expected me to be 100% unbiased and uninvolved, they need to check what game they're playing and I don't see why you'd have any reason to complain about my involvement unless Deathslayer is actually correct about you been a wolf Ramsus.