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Re: Ménage à 3 III: 47 Seconds Later
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Re: Ménage à 3 III: 47 Seconds Later
No, Dillon's just a jerk. It's okay for him to cheat on Yuki with Gary, but not if someone else does it.
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Re: Ménage à 3 III: 47 Seconds Later
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Originally Posted by
The Glyphstone
No, Dillon's just a jerk. It's okay for him to cheat on Yuki with Gary, but not if someone else does it.
He probably thinks giving sensual massages to a naked person doesn't count as cheating. Or the crotch rub. Was there a crotch rub? I think there was a crotch rub.
Either way, while I don't think what he did was okay, Amber did take it quite a step further.
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Re: Ménage à 3 III: 47 Seconds Later
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Originally Posted by
The Glyphstone
No, Dillon's just a jerk. It's okay for him to cheat on Yuki with Gary, but not if someone else does it.
Dillon gave him a massage.
A pervy massage, yes, but the intention was for it to be a massage.
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Re: Ménage à 3 III: 47 Seconds Later
No. nonono. Dillion, when someone you claim as your best friend is in relationship with crotch-kicking psycho and he is going to 'get it on' with girl of his dreams, you do not, I repeat DO NOT interrupt.
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Originally Posted by
Cen
No. nonono. Dillion, when someone you claim as your best friend is in relationship with crotch-kicking psycho and he is going to 'get it on' with girl of his dreams, you do not, I repeat DO NOT interrupt.
Dillon is too selfish for that. *HE* wants Gary, and that's all there is to it, regardless of what Yuki, Amber, Gary or even Reality wants.
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Okay, this is my subjective view but.. I think from Dillon's point of view he's just fooling around with Gary. He knows, he doesn't have a chance but he's having his fun. He doesn't care if Gary's uncomfortable about it, yeah, and maybe he goes a bit too far but he's not going to interfere seriously with Gary's relationship. While Amber is totally aiming for that. Though with not-so-bad reasons.
I'm not totally sure and yeah, I feel bad because Gary really could have had a fun adventure but I'm not all "Dillon's a ****" about this...
Ah, whatever, it doesn't really matter anyway :smallsigh:
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Re: Ménage à 3 III: 47 Seconds Later
I'll just say this. If Inquisition would get their claws on Dillon and did a number on him, I would watch, while eating popcorn and laughting gleefuly all the time.
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Mordokai
I'll just say this. If Inquisition would get their claws on Dillon and did a number on him, I would watch, while eating popcorn and laughting gleefuly all the time.
Cardinal Fang! Fetch... the Comfy Chair!
But seriously, if it weren't for the fact, that Dillon wanted to play with Gary just a moment before, he could have been in the right to break in.
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Originally Posted by
Radar
Cardinal Fang! Fetch... the Comfy Chair!
http://thevalentineyeti.files.wordpr...pg?w=425&h=506
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Re: Ménage à 3 III: 47 Seconds Later
Maybe the fact that Matt cheated on Dillon makes Dillon a little sensitive to that? I sort of agree that he wasn't seriously thinking he was going to get anywhere with Gary. He was just sort of teasing him. He's not an idiot.
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Originally Posted by
datalaughing
Maybe the fact that Matt cheated on Dillon makes Dillon a little sensitive to that? I sort of agree that he wasn't seriously thinking he was going to get anywhere with Gary. He was just sort of teasing him. He's not an idiot.
the problem is, he's teasing Gary beyond what's supposed to be fun. the fact that him making moves on Gary doesn't succeed does not take away the fact that Dillon is still making moves.
i am actually wondering why Gary still has his sanity and hasn't become a zombie to the acts that Amber has played on him...
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Originally Posted by
datalaughing
Maybe the fact that Matt cheated on Dillon makes Dillon a little sensitive to that? I sort of agree that he wasn't seriously thinking he was going to get anywhere with Gary. He was just sort of teasing him. He's not an idiot.
Not being an idiot and going beyond teasing aren't mutually exclusive.
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I wanted to write about how the only opinion of what counts as cheating that matters, is Gary's and no one else's. It's his relationship after all; he and Yuki are the ones who decide where the boundaries are, not a selfish third party's.
I also wanted to write about how Dillon's motivations, whatever they are, can only be taken at face value until explained in-comic and so far seem no more innocent than Amber's. If he's not actively trying to seduce Gary, then he seems to be deliberately flirting with him because Dillon seems to enjoy Gary's discomfort, which is a very unpleasant thing to do.
It was, however, coming out as sounding very judgemental - "Amber is a porn star and has no morals regarding relationships", "Dillon is a bully only interested in getting what he wants" - which wasn't the tone that I was going for.
Bottom line without unfortunate overtones: Gary needs to realise that everyone else is being very selfish and taking advantage of him, and that until we get a VERY good explanation to the contrary then I don't believe for a second that Dillon gets to play the "I was cheated on and I know how much it hurts" card on Gary, not after the discomfort and embarrassment that he has caused so far. :smalltongue:
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Re: Erfworld, The Thread.
We just have to stop and remind ourselves that every person in the Ma3verse is a horrible, awful human being. Except Eric, because he has no personality. Then it all makes sense again.
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Re: Erfworld, The Thread.
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Originally Posted by
The Glyphstone
We just have to stop and remind ourselves that every person in the Ma3verse is a horrible, awful human being. Except Eric, because he has no personality. Then it all makes sense again.
But... but... but... Gary. And possibly Kiley. Well, let's not start on that. But Gary! Okay, he lacks a spine but he has some kind of personality and he isn't more selfish than... average. (I better not try to define average)
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I don't count Gary because I don't really count him as a person under that analysis - he walks and talks, but the only reason for his existence is to be something that everyone else mistreats, abuses, or takes advantage of. He's not a protagonist so much as a prop-tagonist.
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Originally Posted by
The Glyphstone
I don't count Gary because I don't really count him as a person under that analysis - he walks and talks, but the only reason for his existence is to be something that everyone else mistreats, abuses, or takes advantage of. He's not a protagonist so much as a prop-tagonist.
So mean. So true.
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Re: Ménage à 3 III: 47 Seconds Later
So apparently Dillon didn't know Gary was dating Yuki?
Okay, that changes the situation somewhat.
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Um, this is kinda... going places in the last panel. :smalleek:
(But why is he suddenly wearing glasses?)
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Hm... latest turn of events is kind of weird... You can still blame Dillon for doing stuff he knows/should know make Gary uncomfortable.
And... it seems Dillon has quite some strength in him. Ouch :smallbiggrin:
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Originally Posted by
The Glyphstone
We just have to stop and remind ourselves that every person in the Ma3verse is a horrible, awful human being. Except Eric, because he has no personality. Then it all makes sense again.
Jung?
So uh... while I'd say punishment is somewhat justified, Dillon seems pretty hypocritical in his dishing out of it here. And is it me or does it almost feel like he's doing it more because he feels cheated, because Gary is dating Yuki?
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Morph Bark
Jung?
So uh... while I'd say punishment is somewhat justified, Dillon seems pretty hypocritical in his dishing out of it here. And is it me or does it almost feel like he's doing it more because he feels cheated, because Gary is dating Yuki?
My idealism says that he's angry because he knows what it's like to be cheated on.
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I assume this is where Amber will get the identities straight.
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Re: Erfworld, The Thread.
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Originally Posted by
The Glyphstone
We just have to stop and remind ourselves that every person in the Ma3verse is a horrible, awful human being. Except Eric, because he has no personality. Then it all makes sense again.
Hmm... P-Zombies? Or is Gary the only P-Zombie? :smallconfused:
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Originally Posted by
Morph Bark
He probably thinks giving sensual massages to a naked person doesn't count as cheating. Or the crotch rub. Was there a crotch rub? I think there was a crotch rub.
Either way, while I don't think what he did was okay, Amber did take it quite a step further.
Not for lack of wanting to, but because she had the time to do so and didn't shoot herself in the foot like he did.
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Originally Posted by
Yuki Akuma
Dillon gave him a massage.
A pervy massage, yes, but the intention was for it to be a massage.
:smallconfused: A pervy massage that was a transparently obvious set-up to relaxing him, seducing him, and then making him into a conquest. You don't put a towel down and then toss it off again if you're not planning on having sex with the person, Dillon's too comfortable with the process to not know that, even if he did make a horrible faux pas.
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Morph Bark
So uh... while I'd say punishment is somewhat justified, Dillon seems pretty hypocritical in his dishing out of it here. And is it me or does it almost feel like he's doing it more because he feels cheated, because Gary is dating Yuki?
It's probably one of those situations where it's all of the above and the real argument is over how they're portioned out.
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Originally Posted by
Domochevsky
Um,
this is kinda... going places in the last panel. :smalleek:
(But why is he suddenly wearing glasses?)
I think that's more manga-esque tears.
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Re: Ménage à 3 III: 47 Seconds Later
Not sure if I'm reading the timeline right.... If Dillon was around long enough to have heard that Yuki was now Gary's girlfriend, he must also have heard Gary telling Amber to 'wait' and 'stop', as Yuki's name wasn't mentioned after that.
So.... Gary tells Amber that Yuki is his girlfriend, Amber persists, Gary asks her to stop, and so Gary gets a beating for trying to be a cheat?
Yeah, pretty sure this is sour grapes on Dillon's part, rather than any kind of actual moral stand that he's taking. :smalltongue:
Having said that; Amber is naked, and watching Dillon administer a spanking to a naked Gary.... Taking bets on who will walk in and get entirely the wrong impression on what is going on? :smallbiggrin:
I'm going to say Didi, for some reason. Seeing Gary nude, meeting someone who can help her expand her newly discovered S&M side AND putting her in a place for Amber to get even more angry at her? So much trouble, all stirred up in one go! :smalltongue:
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Wraith
Not sure if I'm reading the timeline right.... If Dillon was around long enough to have heard that
Yuki was now Gary's girlfriend, he must also have heard Gary telling Amber to 'wait' and 'stop', as Yuki's name wasn't mentioned after that.
So.... Gary tells Amber that Yuki is his girlfriend, Amber persists, Gary asks her to stop, and so Gary gets a beating for trying to be a cheat?
Yeah, pretty sure this is sour grapes on Dillon's part, rather than any kind of actual moral stand that he's taking. :smalltongue:
Note that Gary still stayed in the shower with her, though. That's the important part.
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Re: Ménage à 3 III: 47 Seconds Later
Right now, I'm ready to point elephant hunting rifle at Dillon's head and pull the trigger. Point blank range.
Just saying.
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Originally Posted by
Mordokai
Right now, I'm ready to point elephant hunting rifle at Dillon's head and pull the trigger. Point blank range.
Just saying.
Why? :smallconfused:
I'd rather point it at Gary for being such a moron. There's being spineless and there's being Gary.
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Oh, Gary. You so clueless.
Oh, Dillon, you so uncharacteristically naive for when you're from and what you are, especially considering the topic at hand before you asked him if he loved her. :smallconfused:
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Re: Ménage à 3 III: 47 Seconds Later
Cue the conclusion that if he doesn't love Yuki they aren't in a relationship, Amber trying to get it on again and something else preventing that.
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Dillon is a hopeless romantic.
I have absolutely no idea why, or for how long this has been going on, or why that suddenly gives him a veto on anything that happens in Gary's life, but the concept is kinda sweet.
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Nurse, this man needs 100ccm of spine, stat!
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Whoah, hold on, dude. They just started going out. Let's back up off the L word just a bit.
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datalaughing
Whoah, hold on, dude. They just started going out. Let's back up off the L word just a bit.
I suppose this adds new depths to how unhealthy the relationship between Matt and Dillon was then.
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Re: Ménage à 3 III: 47 Seconds Later
Eh, depends on what you put in the word. I mean, I love my brother, and I love ice cream. Doesn't mean I'd trade one for another. It can carry many different connotations.
I can totally see an argument that you shouldn't be together unless you love each other, for a given meaning of love.
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I'm not sure if the English language puts a totally different meaning to love than German does... or if I'm just weird.
What's wrong with saying you love somebody? And what is wrong with only committing to a relationship if you love somebody? Oh, sure, you can date anyone but saying "we are in a relationship" feels like something that goes well with loving each other. Ah, I guess that's just me.
I guess giantitp is not the place to discuss relationships anyway :smalltongue:
Well, Gary gets sympathy from Amber and Dillon... A spine would have been more useful but whatever.... How desperate do you have to be to accept any person as your partner as long as they want you? Okay, it's not entirely what is happening but I feel Gary would do even that.
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Nah, i'm with you here. German love is not taken lightly. :smallamused:
Meanwhile, yeah... Gary is in a situation that might warrant hugs. (While naked. >_>) But he gets a beginner discount, due to never having been in this situation before, i'd say.
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Kato
How desperate do you have to be to accept any person as your partner as long as they want you?
As someone who subscribes to Gary's mentality (in theory, anyway), you don't have to be. I'm theoretically straight, but conditionally asexual. I don't experience physical or sexual attraction to someone unless I can see that they're attracted to me. So I'm technically the opposite of desperate.
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I just like how everyone but dillion is naked, and has been for awhile, but noone seems to notice or care as this deep discussion goes on. I dont know about you, but I get COLD when I step out of the shower.
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Re: Ménage à 3 III: 47 Seconds Later
What's with all the hugging?
I finally feel a sense of hope. I've considered dropping this webcomic because I despise Yuki so much, and she just keeps winning.
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Talya
What's with all the hugging?
I finally feel a sense of hope. I've considered dropping this webcomic because I despise Yuki so much, and she just keeps winning.
*hugs* ^_^
The thing is, some of the folks here in this thread have the advantage of knowing what it's like to be in a relationship, whereas Gary has no prior experience about sexual etiquette or even what should or shouldn't be norm for a relationship.
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Re: Ménage à 3 III: 47 Seconds Later
Gary does have some experience of sexual etiquette - everything he knows, he learned from his collection of pornography.
It makes perfect sense as to why he thinks it's okay to be used as an orgasm machine and why love doesn't hold much priority in his thinking. It's also very, very frightening since this phenomenon is based in real social observations. :smalleek:
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Weimann
Eh, depends on what you put in the word. I mean, I love my brother, and I love ice cream. Doesn't mean I'd trade one for another. It can carry many different connotations.
I can totally see an argument that you shouldn't be together unless you love each other, for a given meaning of love.
What are you talking about? :smallconfused: In a romantic context, at least according to everything I've ever seen from western culture, it would be the height of disingenuous to put anything but the conventional interpretation and meaning to loving one's partner.
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Originally Posted by
Kato
I'm not sure if the English language puts a totally different meaning to love than German does... or if I'm just weird.
What's wrong with saying you love somebody? And what is wrong with only committing to a relationship if you love somebody?
Nothing. :smallconfused: No one has said that.
What's wrong is Dillon's naivete and stating something in clear contravention of the facts as shown to himself, Amber, Gary, and most importantly us, the audience.
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Kato
Well, Gary gets sympathy from Amber and Dillon... A spine would have been more useful but whatever.... How desperate do you have to be to accept any person as your partner as long as they want you? Okay, it's not entirely what is happening but I feel Gary would do even that.
I'm reminded of a line from Ferris Bueller's Day Off, I must admit. I can't find the blasted thing though. Something about being so desperate that any woman who showed any interest would receive slavish devotion and be free to abuse him most cruelly.
And that's totally what's happening. :smalltongue:
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Which just shows how unhealthy pornography is....
I'm with Talya here- Yuki just isn't ready to be in a relationship, at least not a heterosexual one.
And I can't understand how she isn't locked up in a rubber room somewhere after she kicked multiple men in the crotch.
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Southern Cross
Which just shows how unhealthy pornography is....
I'm with Talya here- Yuki just isn't ready to be in a relationship, at least not a heterosexual one.
And I can't understand how she isn't locked up in a rubber room somewhere after she kicked multiple men in the crotch.
If Zii is any indication then she was probably also unfit for a same-sex relationship and doesn't really seem to have meaningfully matured so much as having gotten an easily abused 'fix' in the form of Gary.
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Southern Cross
Which just shows how unhealthy pornography is....
I'm with Talya here- Yuki just isn't ready to be in a relationship, at least not a heterosexual one.
And I can't understand how she isn't locked up in a rubber room somewhere after she kicked multiple men in the crotch.
In the Ma3verse, the dictionary does not have a definition for 'consequences'.
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Originally Posted by
Kato
I'm not sure if the English language puts a totally different meaning to love than German does... or if I'm just weird.
What's wrong with saying you love somebody? And what is wrong with only committing to a relationship if you love somebody?
There's nothing wrong with it. It's just that Gary didn't do either.
Personally, I'd only do the former if I felt it to be true. Second one is up in the air.
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I don't think Gary being with Yuki is a matter of taking his lessons from pornography. As someone who has been in a similar situation, I think what matters more that this is Gary's first dating relationship (the thing with... what's her name? Yuki's therapist with aspirations for bigger breasts?... that doesn't count; they were only together for a day or so). Even though their relationship is completely dysfunctional and unsatisfying for Gary, he sticks around because he can't fathom that anyone else might take a liking to him. He'll rather try and survive in a bad relationship than have no relationship at all.
Of course, I might be projecting my own experiences here. But if you want another reason, there's also the fact that Gary admires Yuki's father and aspires to be like him. If memory serves, the father even offered mentoring Gary - an opportunity our poor protagonist can kiss goodbye the second he breaks up with Yuki.
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Oddly enough, that's what this week's Misfits episode was about. For those of you who don't understand the premise: magic lightning gives certain people powers. They're based on personality and usually blow rocks. Anyway, there was a girl who used her Compelling Voice to hold her boyfriend by the metaphorical balls. And squeeze. Tightly. It involved cunnulingus. Lots of it. The thing is, after rebelling the first time, and breaking up, the guy goes back & willingly submits to her doing it because he "loves" her. And before you start going the abuse route, note that his "rebellion" involved tying her to a bed, gagged, for an indefinite period of time. There was talk of a bucket. And on-screen visual of said bucket.
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Herpestidae
Oddly enough, that's what this week's Misfits episode was about. For those of you who don't understand the premise: magic lightning gives certain people powers. They're based on personality and usually blow rocks. Anyway, there was a girl who used her Compelling Voice to hold her boyfriend by the metaphorical balls. And squeeze. Tightly. It involved cunnulingus. Lots of it. The thing is, after rebelling the first time, and breaking up, the guy goes back & willingly submits to her doing it because he "loves" her. And before you start going the abuse route, note that his "rebellion" involved tying her to a bed, gagged, for an indefinite period of time. There was talk of a bucket. And on-screen visual of said bucket.
:smallconfused: Err... That doesn't exactly head off the abuse line in the slightest, love. :/
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Coidzor
:smallconfused: Err... That doesn't exactly head off the abuse line in the slightest, love. :/
Read the Compelling Voice article and come back to me. Short version: he literally had to do everything she told him to do. She went on vacation (without him) and told him to clean the house while she was away, and he did it. She tells him to change his personality, and he does. She has complete control over him.
Abuse isn't only physical.
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Originally Posted by
Herpestidae
Read the
Compelling Voice article and come back to me. Short version: he literally had to do
everything she told him to do. She went on vacation (without him) and told him to clean the house while she was away, and he did it. She tells him to change his personality, and he does. She has complete control over him.
Abuse isn't only physical.
Well now you're just seeming to contradict yourself then.
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That was me not clarifying, actually. What I'd meant to say was that she wasn't the only one in the relationship that was abusive, so we shouldn't be going "what a bitch why is he still with her he should be with me"
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Wait what? I, for one, definately didn't think that, herp.
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I swear by the 15 signs of an abusive partner. You'll have to Google it, because I just got kicked off the computer and linking by phone is too troublesome for me.
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Herpestidae
That was me not clarifying, actually. What I'd meant to say was that she wasn't the only one in the relationship that was abusive, so we shouldn't be going "what a bitch why is he still with her he should be with me"
...And I was pointing out that, no, that doesn't really work that way.
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Really don't see it, Herp.
For that matter, how the heck did the trees move so far in Zombies Redux? I mean, are they using Thief movement? Or did they just all finangle around in a block-maze manner that would make me dizzy if watching it on a gameboy during the Other phase?
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I think our communication lines got tangled. Maybe I misread this:
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Originally Posted by
Coidzor
:smallconfused: Err... That doesn't exactly head off the abuse line in the slightest, love. :/
Could you clarify for me what you meant?