I don't see Daishain's 10 again roll, so I'll roll some dice here [roll0]
EDIT: So that bumps Karl up to 2 successes.
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I don't see Daishain's 10 again roll, so I'll roll some dice here [roll0]
EDIT: So that bumps Karl up to 2 successes.
I don’t have anything else for the scene, unless someone wants to talk to Anna.
Well too bad, because I'm not done with you :smallamused::smalltongue:
It looks like there are services you can pay for, just from a quick google search, but I have no idea how reliable or legal they are.Quote:
Honestly I have no idea how to go about an illegal cell phone trace, how difficult it would be, or how easy it would be to get caught. Quick google search didn't help.
However, just as an idea, Anna has been sitting on this shared Ally Police for a long time, and we've never put it into use. I know I'm likely stretching reality, but what if they use their shared resources to try to get the tap through the police? Again, I know that that's probably not something the police normally have access to, but perhaps with enough money the right officer would find a way?
Otherwise, I suppose we can do a bit of hand waving.
Imo we don't need to overcomplicate it; we should just have gabe roll int + computers and come up with a location. Anna would not involve the police at this point anyway.
Also, I think we should probably start looking at what kind of xp expenditure it will take to get the hospital up and running mechanically. THere'll need to be dots for domain and an ally dot for Victor, and Anna is going to want a law firm to set up the corporation to run the whole thing. Anything else required?
I'm fine with that... Thanks for the level headed perspectiveQuote:
Imo we don't need to overcomplicate it; we should just have gabe roll int + computers and come up with a location. Anna would not involve the police at this point anyway.
Honestly, I think that may be over complicating things :smalltongue:. I would say the primary merit would be Feeding Grounds (pg. 112). Anna would give up her major boons to the Prince... and I think Anna agreed to use her Major Boon from the Ordo as well, though I will have to go back and double check this. In exchange, Anna would get the location at say 2 dots Feeding Grounds and Safe Place two dots. Following this, she could invest XP on further dots for Feeding Grounds, Safe Place, Staff, ect.Quote:
Also, I think we should probably start looking at what kind of xp expenditure it will take to get the hospital up and running mechanically. THere'll need to be dots for domain and an ally dot for Victor, and Anna is going to want a law firm to set up the corporation to run the whole thing. Anything else required?
I think the harder thing to represent will be deciding on mechanically how many people Anna can allow feed there before the resource gets depleted somehow, and how to represent this mechanically, furthermore, figuring out what sort of boon/benefits Anna gets for turning this into an enterprise...
I'm all for keeping it simple, but for context...
Tracing a stranger's cell phone location is flat out illegal. The services you saw through the google search almost certainly involve putting software on a phone you own so that it reports its location to another device at a later time, not finding a phone that is currently elsewhere.
The police trace cell phones on a frequent basis, but doing so without a warrant, especially in California which has some of the strictest privacy laws in that regard, is just as illegal for them as for citizens. Contacting one of them could potentially yield such a service, but we'd be asking them to risk their careers at the least, so that's not exactly a simple favor.
Another potential avenue would be to contact the cell service the phone in question uses and trick them into thinking that you are the owner (or, again, convince them to commit an illegal act)
The safest route would probably be to avoid using anyone else and make the trace without relying on others, but that's where my knowledge of the subject ends. I have insufficient information on how difficult that is or what kind of tools are needed. I imagine physical access to a cell tower would be involved.
FYI if Anna finds out her cousins bf is damaging her in some way she’s going to murder him and sprinkle some crack on his corpse, which is also somewhat illegal.
Honestly the best way is to load one of those hidden tracker apps on the phone, and then we can find it via gps, but that would require us to have accessed it previously.
Edit: thinking about it some more, the real question is do we want to be able to track anyone’s location by their phone?
I think the answer to that is no. But maybe the more paranoid of us have something on their phones that prevents tracking. Also didn’t we track Estella’s phone this way to find it on the bridge?
Yes, Anna used her major boon with the Ordo as well, for their support in the endeavor and for her to have ownership.
We can take it slow and steady. Anna will first make sure everything is in place to allow herself and Victor to take vitae, and then she'll bring in perhaps two more, Ordo neonates, as a trial run. After that it'll expand slowly from there, first to Ordo neonates, and then neonates of other covenants, and eventually all Kindred. Anyone who wants a drink of course can pay for it either in cash or boons, but the free service will ramp up as the number of comatose patients increases. Eventually it would be free for everyone but that's how Anna would initially limit usage. She'll have to get more comatose patients to do this, and ensure the kindred have an entrance and exit they can use so nobody notices the parade of visitors coming at all hours of the night, and ghouls on staff (starting with Celestine) who will keep their mouths shut, and also influence with inspectors etc to ensure nothing goes wrong on the mortal side of things.
Eventually she'll also have rooms where Ordo members can conduct live human experiments, as well, and she'll want to conduct her own, too, for eventual research into her own coil/scale, not sure what it will be yet.
So do we want to just say IC Karl says it's not a tenable or good idea, and continue on with the two planning how they will find Katie? I think TC has the right of it in suspecting something is going on with the BF, and probably starting with more investigation of him would be a good idea.Quote:
I think the answer to that is no. But maybe the more paranoid of us have something on their phones that prevents tracking.
Okay, if it works for you then, I will remove the Boons from Anna's character box (as you will from her character sheet), and Anna can take the Feeding Grounds (Hospital) OO, and Safe Space (Hospital) OO... and progress from there.Quote:
Yes, Anna used her major boon with the Ordo as well, for their support in the endeavor and for her to have ownership.
What I was getting at was do we want to be able to find essentially anyone in the game whenever we want? Like let's say we want to know where a particular Kindred is, should we be able to track their phone? I think the answer to that is no. The question is then do we want to be able to track some individuals' phones and not others, or just nix tracking cell phones in general?
Yes, works for me.
I agree, I disagree with the idea that the players can easily track another kindred in this setting. I'm not sure what we did with Estella's but maybe we can hand wave it by saying that as a pseudo coterie, the group had some sort of advanced access to find her phone?
I'd say nix tracking phones altogether, if everyone agrees.
Sounds good to me.
Agreed, with one suggested caveat, the ability to track our own devices remains.
Does Anna have Jay’s address from the background check she did on him?
She has an apartment listed.
Is there anything else you two want to do, or should I move things forward to the meeting with the Prince at the end of Elysium?
Okay, I mean we can assume that Anna is able to find a quiet nook to "drag" Miho into if she wants to talk privately.
I'll wait for Daishain to respond otherwise.
At the moment Karl was standing near Anna, waiting to hear about whatever the heck is going on that would require that phone tap he couldn't provide.
Not sure if I am waiting for Daishain to reply. Do we want to move on to a private meeting with The Prince at the end of Elysium?
Can't respond properly at the moment, so go ahead
Sorry to drag things out, and thank you for the patience. So I'm going to close scene 2 here and tally up some beats before we start scene 3. If you want, you/we can start scene 3 the same night as there are probably two hours or so in the night.
And so the beats:
Anna: 1 beat for completing the scene, Anna gets a beat for completing the condition of becoming hound, I'm gonna be generous and also give an additional beat for starting to ruminate on Miho's mirror :smallamused:. Anna gains a total of 3 beats putting her at 3 beats 2 xp.
Karl: 1 beat for completing the scene, Karl gets a beat for completing the condition of gaining a position on the Prince's Cabinet. Karl gains a total of 2 beats putting him at 2 beats and 5 XP
As always, please speak up if you feel I missed something.
I am going to require that both of you update your aspirations, on two fronts. First, I am asking you to replace or appropriately update the aspiration above that I had you as having fulfilled. Furthermore, I would like you to update/re-arrange aspirations to let me know what it is you want your character to be focusing on in the upcoming story. Below are some things for each character to do, that can be used to fuel aspirations, but are also ideas for what you want to start with in the next scene.
Things to do:
Anna- Follow up with Victor, chase after cousin Katie (and follow up with her Aunt/Ghoul), follow up with Daniel, The Bruja, follow up on Zach Thomas?, Miho's mirror
Karl- Pick up Fred at the airport, follow up on MS-13, investigate the heart, follow up on the Bruja, follow up on Zach Thomas? Follow up with Gabe? Follow up on Gabrielle who may still be a masquerade breech.
So lastly, please tell me what you want your character to do next.
Anna is going to head to see Victor straight away. On the way there, she’s going to call the brujah and find out what the story is.
Daniel and Ariel, she has a shopping appointment the following Tuesday or something so we can do that scene whenever.
Her primary goal remains getting the hospital up and running, but now that she’s sure Victor isn’t going to be able to steal it out from under her by kindred law, the next step is to buy it legally, and eventually set Celestine up to be in charge of it. The next dot after obfuscate will to go to make Victor an ally, so Anna will continue to try to get close to him.
In order to make sure Celestine’s head is in the right place, Anna needs to make sure Katie is okay, so that’s what she’s going to do next. If Jay has been mistreating her, Anna will kill him and make it look like gang violence, then depending on the situation either call the cops to pick up her cousin or physically drag her back home.
After that she’s going to find out from Aisling what Gabrielle has been up to because she was supposed to be staking out her apartment in animal form. She’ll kill Gabrielle quietly as a potential masquerade breach if she won’t blood bond with one of the coterie.
So, the plan with Victor was to go first thing in the night to get her ID card and credentialing at the hospital for easy access at all times of the night. In game, it is very late night/early morning. If you want we can start the next scene first thing in the next night, unless there was something else you wanted to accomplish by meeting Victor.
Also, please let me know your thoughts on the below:
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I am going to require that both of you update your aspirations, on two fronts. First, I am asking you to replace or appropriately update the aspiration above that I had you as having fulfilled. Furthermore, I would like you to update/re-arrange aspirations to let me know what it is you want your character to be focusing on in the upcoming story
Keep the top two and replace 3 with ensure the safety of Cousin Katie.
The plan with victor was to meet him after the town hall. As long as it doesn’t really affect anything we can wait until the next night. Anna wants to smooth things over after the meeting earlier in the night.
Acting as hounds I think can be a shared aspiration.