I had to go check to make sure but yes.
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"I've been 'limping' a long because frankly I have been tired and I am suspicious of you because I have been in the past, I kept asking why you were cleared and never really got a satisfying answer. As I said multiple times I have gotten no actual results from my power and I don't know if it actually works or if it is just a giant troll to make me feel insane. I have been trying to guess who I would go after as a wolf and watch them... But apparently they never target those people and none of you folks do either. I don't believe you and Lentrax are lovers or... I think it is a very convenient cover for two wolves. I mean only two left correct, might as well be. Give your role names."
Alright, I suppose I might as well share that, as it's looking unlikely that I'll catch someone in a lie at this point (especially with my power known) and maybe it'll fit together with something someone else knows.
N1: Kraken
N2: Jeen
N3: Persolus
N4: Lentrax
N5: Kraken
The eternally paranoid part of my brain had the same thought. As for the rest of my brain... I don't know. Neither blade nor Lentrax were very likely wagons today, so the remaining wolves tying themselves together like that, when they could probably just hang back while either Illven or Kraken dies, seems odd. Of course, blade does have a taste for daring plans, so not impossible.
At the very least, I would also like to see some role names. Illven's too, for that matter, I don't think she've claimed one?
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As a heads up, I'm out of town until Friday and will probably be pretty busy during that time. I should be able to post pretty regularly, but my activity is likely to drop somewhat.
My role name is ghoul.
I was hoping there would be more to go on to make up my mind, but it is what it is and I'm about to fall asleep (how come travelling is so exhausting despite me spending most of it sitting still? :smallconfused:) so I suppose I'll leave my vote where it is and hope for the best.
Note how Athedia claims no results but doesn't give names so as to not possibly give away to being called out on incorrect results.
My role is The Femme Fatale, Lentrax is The Private Investigator.
Now. Let's play "What if I was wolf with Lentrax" shall we?
So in a day where neither Lentrax or I are really on the chopping block, I claim lovers which would expose either one of us if the other dies? (Which would be a terrible idea btw because if you have two disconnected wolves one can die and the other can go to F3 and win, but lovers claim removes that entirely.) Not only that but I have killed Merel (Who has been happily sheeping my every move and was sure I was town by the end of it.)
LetsGetKraken Athedia
I'm gonna call you out on the "questioning why Bladescape is town" thing. You made one comment about not being sure where the "blade used a power" thing came from. You shaded me for agreeing with Merel's take on Illven town. (Which I'm now thinking about again because Merel died.)
Outside that? You happily went along with everything I was asking. You NEVER suggested it was wrong that I was cleared until last phase, and that was just "Why is he cleared again?"
"Kept asking why I was cleared" is also a non-starter because you only began mentioning it last phase too. And you also held back from ANY hard sus of me or suggestion that you actually thought I was sus (Outside of "interesting" being used to describe a post of mine, which as an old friend of mine would say, is a "Wolfy interesting".)
So, what's changed this phase? Wait...
You didn't even say I was sus earlier in the phase.
It just happened to show up after I said Ath is sus.
Convenient aye? :smallamused:
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I must say, though. Well played. You had already lost Murska to random chance. You had both yourself and Jeen under heavy fire. It's a good shot to take to have you two go against each other and one comes out looking good. I honestly didn't read it as a bus either, so that was a+ performance.
The problem is that once wolves are in a relatively safe position, the chance to let down the mask and breath and not "hunt" for wolves is way too tempting. You can just focus on some weird mech niggles and let the big townies hunting walk around and vote villagers out while you relax on your throne of luxury. But townies who have successfully hunted a wolf tend to feel more engaged and want to hunt the next one.
And honestly I should've seen you were just resting on your blackjack game and your sniped comments while sheeping my wagons for the last few phases. I should've.
But I didn't. So I gotta give you that. You pulled that wool over my eyes pretty well.
If either Athedia or blade is a wolf, I'm leaning towards Athedia since I feel like her behavior make more sense from a wolf than blade's (of course, says the paranoid voice in my brain, that's why a wolf might intentionally act in a way that doesn't make sense).
What worries me a bit is that alternative that both of them are townies getting paranoid about each other (in which case the wolves would be Illven and Persolus, I think).
If not for the fact that Blade is now inextricably linked with Lentrax (though hey, small chance it could be five wolves or a wolf/town lover team), this is exactly the kind of big dramatic post that Blade would love doing as a late-game wolf bus.
My perspective is that there are three likely wolf teams at this point - Blade/Lentrax, Athedia/Illven or Persolus, and BatCatHat/Illven. If BCH is a wolf and Illven isn't, why claim? Why not let Illven get yeeted, flip town, and then push for a misyeet on me?
Note that it is possible that Illven is a wolf - ghoul is not exactly the most townish name, after all - without BCH being a wolf, but if BCH is a wolf I think Illven is his partner. Illven/Persolus or Illven/Athedia are also possible teams.
I believe Persolus is neutral, simply by virtue of no one else claiming it yet. It's possible to only have one neutral, but it's believable enough.
Part of me is tempted to vote BCH off here, because as a wolf voider he can ensure that if we miss here, I can't fire again. Especially since town already demonstrably had a voider in Cazero. But I suppose Athedia isn't the worst.
On rereading the Illven thing, I think her calling me out is... hm. On one hand, it seems like a great way to push for me to be yeeted. On the other, I feel like if she was on a wolf team with BCH, she could have pretended to have lost that life and pocketed me a bit? Hm.
Or maybe BCH isn't a voider at all, and Illven did lose a life. Hmmmm.
Unless there are five wolves, Blade and Athedia cannot both be wolves in this scenario. My worry is that if we yeet Athedia and BCH is a wolf, we lose on the spot. Same if persolus is a wolf too, honestly. Thoughts?
Eh...
I don't like the idea of voting out BCH on that alone but I do understand the thought.
I'll have a look to see if I might be wrong on Ath and there might be another later but...
The game just makes so much more sense if Ath is a wolf who has had me in the pocket since D3 and is holding onto me while removing my support structures?
BCH as wolf would be removing my support structures while keeping both Ath and me alive so he never becomes the "most clear" (You can get away with it but most wolves tend to hard avoid being the most clear because then they have to worry about "why didn't you die?" questions.)
And I do remember the attempted Cred-grab after Jeen's flip.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Eh it's midnight I'll think about this after sleep.
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Tho, is there a reason you didn't consider Illven/Persolus team, Kraken?
"I was on my phone and then the forums weren't working for me. Look how you still have not answered my question about what exactly cleared you. Because I still don't know."
"And no, I asked it after Jeen, when people kept saying Blade and Athedia were cleared and I was a little miffed because I had put the work in but you had ridden on some claim of manipulating the count by adding votes, something Flat admitted was a mistake.
But here, and reminder I don't do anything when I visit except observe. Night one, watch CaoimhinTheCape, I figured they role revealed so would be the most obvious to kill. No visitors. Night two, watch BCH, no visitors. Night Three, watch Cazero no results. Night Four, Watch Kraken, no visitors. Night Five, Watch Blade, No vistors. Toward those last two Flat_Footed was taunting me that at least I am consistent and that I have a habit of staring at loners. Hence the rather annoyed meta commentary.
I sheeped nothing. The blackjack game was because it fit my role. I am the Blackjack Dealer. I thought it would be a cute and fun gimmick that might let me live a little longer, because people wanted to play."
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"Also Femme Fatale and Private Investigator make no sense for Fallout New Vegas. They don't fit the themes of the game or gambling at all."
I went back and checked your posts when the Jeen kill flipped and I didn't see it. :smallconfused:
Someone who thinks that the roles do not fit in with Fallout forget the investigator who died in the Ultra-Luxe during the search for Ted Gunderson.
And also the entire story of the Nick Valentine that was downloaded into the Synth that became the private investigator in Diamond City.
Not that that matters to you, right?
Anyway.
Vote change.LetsGetKraken Athedia
Spoiler: Night 3
Spoiler: Day 4 + Night 4
Strangely enough you have no comment about my towniness in any post here. For the entire 3 phases after the flip.
Again. Last day phase was the first time you mentioned it.
Also the whole "Miffed because I put the effort in" thing kinda reads like a wolf who bussed and isn't getting cred for it. Forgive me harping on this tune.
Spoiler: Trying to find the post I swear exists
"I could have sworn I pushed more back then I remember doing so and feel freaking insane. I think it came mostly from not understanding why Blade was cleared. He claimed to have vote manipulated from what I recall.
Also just lovers and other powers is a stretch for me. I mean at this point, you will see my logs soon. I don't care anymore. Kill me. We played the last few days horribly. We kept saying we would execute Kraken next and we never did. Lentrax had low activity and skated. Kill me and you will see that you are all screwed and in end game I will point that out again. I firmly don't believe lovers. It would be honestly repetitive and to close to the gimmick Snowblaze pulled in the last bastard game. And I don't think Flat is that unoriginal. Also seriously? 'Bonus points because I didn't talk to Lentrax'. Wolves would do the same thing genius. But again, I don't really think I care anymore.
And I still haven't seen anyone backing up what you said except you 'lover'. If you go back through all my posts you can see my growing frustration at a power that just isn't working. Because it isn't getting anything and that makes me less than useless. Everything I have done this game has been sans power which is a hell of a lot more than I can say for most people. So yeah I wanted more credit on the Jeen thing because I felt smart and like I finally got how to solve stuff for once. I don't get to feel like that often. I am just frustrated and ranting and wanting this all off my chest before y'all let the wolves kill me."
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"Also for gods sake. BOLD the red text Lentrax. It is in the intro instructions."
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I still don't think a Femme Fatale paired up with an Investigator works and Nick Valentine is Fallout 4 not New Vegas. Very different much worse game. Do not conflate the two. Honestly at this point I think the wolves kept me alive because I suck at this. I expected to die every night since. Only reason I would have kept someone alive this long is because they suck. So I am going to say I think Kraken is clear since I was openly suspicious of them. If not, Kraken you deserve to win."
Oh and Athedia, you got randomised last night :)
"Oh great. Thanks. Love that. I thought you were targeting yourself buddy.BatCatHatto target Persolus because frankly I don't like liars and Lentrax and Blade have suckered the rest of you."
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"Not like any of us can apparently trust any of our powers because Persolus is just going to screw with us."
Fair enough, after all, i am a wolf-aligned neutral.
Wait. Why did you think Persolus was targeting themselves? They explicitly stated they were targeting Blade.
https://forums.giantitp.com/showsing...&postcount=441
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Wait, Persolus. Are you claiming you don't know your win condition? Like I'm confused.
Cause like if you're Vecna's opposite you shouldn't? If Vecna was telling the truth of course.
Batcathat
For the record, this was a lie, i don't have access to the scum chat.
However... :)
Oh no i know my win condition exactly [unless Flat lies to me].
I'm a neutral who wins with wolves :)
Which means, sure, you can kill me, but I don't count towards the wolves win-con.
Of course, you don't have to believe me on this, but if you flip me, you gain nothing besides the knowledge that I am a neutral.
"I had been going off of this. I didn't realize he had decided to target Blade, though I do see that Kraken did suggest it. But if Persolus wins with the wolves why would he do that? His goal would be to protect the wolves. His interests are purely on surviving, he doesn't care if he messes with us. In fact it is in his benefit to do so!"
Kraken was saying, "why do we think Persolus would have done that, back when we thought he was neutral?"
You're saying, "why would Persolus do that, knowing now that he's eeeeeevil neutral?"
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and to be fair, if I had actually been a neutral like i claimed, i would have protected blade.
I mean, I don't mean to be rude, but obviously? I'm just not sure how that is relevant, other than to assume that he is going to mess with my vig shot tonight.
This does narrow the pool significantly. Gah.
Without being able to reliably shoot tonight - though honestly, random chance might be beneficial for us, with this ratio of town to wolves - the only person who can stop me from shooting is BCH. If BCH is a wolf, we need to hit today, otherwise we lose. If BCH is town, we have a chance that we can salvage this.
I don't love Blade and Lentrax here, but Blade took credit for the Yes Man - ending the voting immediately on D3, which got rid of a wolf. If there are three wolves and a wolfsiding neutral, Flat would probably have called the game already (if that a fair assumption?), since they could just declare that they're wolves and win with Persolus. Though shenanigans, I suppose.
But if there are two wolves, the only permutation that can contain Bladescape would be Bladescape/Lentrax, for obvious reasons. Blade would have had to use his 1/game yeet-control to save a town member and kill a wolf. If he did, GG, he can win this with flying colours, because that if a baffling decision to take unless it was W/W wagons and he has played this beautifully. So I am willing to believe Bladescape. That doesn't mean he's right about Athedia, but I think that Blade/Lentrax are consequently clear here.
Therefore, with Persolus being a wolf-siding neutral, these people contain the potential wolves:
- Illven
- BatCatHat
- Athedia
- Me
My vig claim is uncontested and no one else has even suggested how three people died N3.
So, Illven, BatCatHat, Athedia. We have one shot here, since we squandered all those we've had over the past few days.
Illven claims that she has two lives. Bat claims he is a voider, which is a role already occupied by Cazero. And Athedia could have intentionally bussed Jeen, though it would be committed.
If we're assuming two wolves left, we have good odds of getting a wolf there, assuming that we can all get on the same page in the next ten hours.
But we cannot vote Lentrax or Blade today, and I don't think voting Persolus helps save the game (unless he is pretending to be neutral as a wolf).
Hey AV. If you ever had the ability to alter a yeet, today would be the day to do it. Sorry to have killed you, but in fairness, you explicitly asked to die.
So, I've just had a like 12 hour day of learning a ton of new things. Don't get me wrong, it's both interesting and entertaining, but it has left what solving skills I usually have at basically zero.
Assuming blade and Lentrax are town does seem like the best bet, though there are things that worry me about that intepretation of events. If they are, Athedia and Illven would presumably both be wolves (unless one of them's a townie and Persolus is a wolf with a very interesting bluff, which seems possible but less likely).
I'll be a up for a few hours more, so hopefully I'll at least figure out who to vote.
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Merel's kill does make more sense if Persolus randomised the mafia kill.
Hm. Now the question would then be am I wrong on Ath and wolves tried to kill her last night.
@Kraken
Honest opinion. Does the posts and trends I've pointed out on Ath make sense/feel like what you'd see from a mafia?
You kinda haven't said anything about it except that it'd be the dramatic post I'd make if bussing
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I'm feeling inconfident in this now tbh.
Persolus I expected to be on me/himself. More himself than me. Merel's kill felt like proof that someone I townread was furry and I've been duped.
But if Ath was targetted instead and wolves only hit Merel because Persolus accidentally got in their way...
(Because wolves might have believed he was on me)
Then the Merel kill is now just "happenstance" instead of wolf.
Also re: missing wolf!bch is game over.
Missing any wolf today is game over. If Persolus is talling the truth then we technically are at lylo and now in danger of just losing if we get it wrong.