The Noctuary (D&D 3.5e, Level 20+ Adventure)

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Originally Posted by chaincomplex

You may.

I was thinking about this for a bit with respect to my desire to remain source-loyal then decided that, realistically, something has to be done about the paucity of epic material for 3.5e.

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Yay! Thank you. :)

I will put forward a sheet for this, though it will probably take a few days to get something put together. For the record, I am probably going to go with a wizard/psion/cerebremancer. Possibly a drow for race, though maybe something a bit different.

Take your time. You'll have at least two weeks, probably more.

Thanks for the heads up. It shouldn't take me anywhere near that long to build a character. I just have to finish another sheet first, but that one is due in a couple of days, so I am working on it right now, and should be finished reasonably soon.

By the way, do you allow second party material? Like Athas.org or Mimir.com? Both officially approved by WOTC, but not actually built by them directly.

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Originally Posted by chaincomplex

You've got... an interesting build concept. The ravening template seems almost incompatible with a normal D&D adventure. What's your plan for it?

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That’s what I was going for

Medium+ it could be a potential problem, but with a bag of tricks, it’s probably fine, at least below huge. As for the use, it’s mainly for the 3 rounds of uninterrupted breath, but the bonuses are nice too

I made Ruby!
She is cat.
She breathes fire (among other things).
And she wants her family back.

Interested as a hexblade or divine mind.

EDIT: Can we use dragonlance material?

EDIT2: Asking for hexblade magic weapon & armor abilities/curse feats from Dragon 339, pg 92-93

EDIT3: Asking for unofficial hexblade fix.

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Originally Posted by JNAProductions

I made Ruby!
She is cat.
She breathes fire (among other things).
And she wants her family back.

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Wow. I was also building a Tibbit who had a graft allowing her to breathe fire. I went in a different direction, though.

Meh, let me be that guy... Is dark chaos shuffle too much TO?

I have been focusing in single class builds for a while and I always end up being too feat starved. Most likely a Paladin 20 or Incarnate 20.

Without that it all becomes a mishmash of everything fighter/monk/paladin/warblade/iai. Master/something?

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Originally Posted by chaincomplex

Can you cite page numbers? Make it a little easier on me than just flipping through until I happen on it.

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Oh, woops, my bad

Dragon 347, pg 91
Solitary hunter, trade Animal Companion to apply favored bonus to attacks

Dragon 340, pg 55
Lose combat styles for wis to ac, dr at night or moon out, and immunity to mind affecting

EDIT: also Hanks Energy bow while we're at it.

EDIT2: Are you ok with the extended use of Tumble from the Oriental Adventures? pg 58
DC 40 to move 10ft as a 5ft step

I have some concepts for this. Therefore, declaring interest.

Interested..
Any restrictions to alignment/ templates?

Gm - could I use the abilities granted by the thrall of juiblex prc (polymorph and alter self) to qualify for and use the abilities of master transmogrifist?

Edit - ok darn, seems like too many levels for a build. Ill go instead with a factotum/fiendbinder, see how that goes

I’m interested. I may rebuild a half-Drow sorcerer for this.

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Originally Posted by Yas392

EDIT: Can we use dragonlance material?

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I don't know Dragonlance but I know it used to be 1st-party in AD&D 2e, so I'm probably leaning towards yes. I'm not aware of any 3e updates to it. What's the executive summary of what you intend to use from it?

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Originally Posted by Yas392

EDIT2: Asking for hexblade magic weapon & armor abilities/curse feats from Dragon 339, pg 92-93

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OK by me.

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Originally Posted by Yas392

EDIT3: Asking for unofficial hexblade fix.

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OK by me.

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Originally Posted by droobles

Meh, let me be that guy... Is dark chaos shuffle too much TO?

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I thought about this a bit but decided no to DCFS. It's very much a trick that, if allowed, would so often be optimal that those who don't use it might feel stunted.

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Originally Posted by BelGareth

Dragon 347, pg 91
Solitary hunter, trade Animal Companion to apply favored bonus to attacks

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OK.

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Originally Posted by BelGareth

Dragon 340, pg 55
Lose combat styles for wis to ac, dr at night or moon out, and immunity to mind affecting

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OK.

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Originally Posted by BelGareth

EDIT: also Hanks Energy bow while we're at it.

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OK.

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Originally Posted by BelGareth

EDIT2: Are you ok with the extended use of Tumble from the Oriental Adventures? pg 58
DC 40 to move 10ft as a 5ft step

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Yes.

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Originally Posted by Burning Spear

Any restrictions to alignment/ templates?

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For templates, anything that's not LA —. No restrictions on alignment, just be sure you can role play not attacking other PCs. Overt or covert hostilities between PCs is only OK with mutual consent.

I'd live to have the chance to resurrect one of my characters here.

That said, would it be possible to adjust the Half Fiend template to LA 3, rather than 4, in line with the LA assignment thread discussion(Here)

Said character would be, well, a rework of Eilyra Dlardrageth(Fluff would remain the same, although the mechanics would need to be adjusted for the different level and spells likely re-balanced(Having played the character previously, shapechange is incredibly op.)

Basic build is Wizard/Swiftblade/Abjurant Champion, intending to act as a gish.

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Originally Posted by chaincomplex

I don't know Dragonlance but I know it used to be 1st-party in AD&D 2e, so I'm probably leaning towards yes. I'm not aware of any 3e updates to it. What's the executive summary of what you intend to use from it?

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They have Master (War of the Lance, pages 21-25), Noble (Dragonlance Campaign Setting, pages 50-52), Mystic (Dragonlance Campaign Setting, pages 47-50), Nightstalker (Races of Ansalon, pages 153-156) base class that I have my eyes on. And Healing Hand of Mishakal (Holy Orders of the Stars, pages 42-43) and Warmage (Age of Mortals, pages 48-49) prestige classes.

I am looking to play either a healer, blaster or support classes in case I lose interest in my primary choices. The prestige classes are to boost healing and blasting.

Just linking my sheet here so I don't forget where it is.

https://www.myth-weavers.com/sheets/?id=763984

I'm avoiding Divine Metamagic because I'm trying to keep her at a reasonable level of power - I don't really think a maximised and empowered Tsunami is really fun for anyone - but I am grabbing a few other uses for turn undead like Animal Devotion and Divine Spell Power to give her a bit more flexibility.

I haven't really settled on any specific build yet, though.

Heres my WIP of Xerxes

need to finish up, and then gel out my fluff.

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Originally Posted by Yas392

They have Master (War of the Lance, pages 21-25), Noble (Dragonlance Campaign Setting, pages 50-52), Mystic (Dragonlance Campaign Setting, pages 47-50), Nightstalker (Races of Ansalon, pages 153-156) base class that I have my eyes on. And Healing Hand of Mishakal (Holy Orders of the Stars, pages 42-43) and Warmage (Age of Mortals, pages 48-49) prestige classes.

I am looking to play either a healer, blaster or support classes in case I lose interest in my primary choices. The prestige classes are to boost healing and blasting.

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The Mariner is from dragonlance too, just a worse fighter with a weaker SA, but 6 skill points/level. Greate for a dip.

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Originally Posted by Duqueen

The Mariner is from dragonlance too, just a worse fighter with a weaker SA, but 6 skill points/level. Greate for a dip.

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I am not interested in that hence the exclusion.

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Originally Posted by Archmage1

That said, would it be possible to adjust the Half Fiend template to LA 3, rather than 4, in line with the LA assignment thread discussion(Here)

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I remember that thread. Good thread. In general I don't want to make it so that monstrous race players are taking a big L in doing so.

For that reason I'm fine with treating the LA as +3.

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Originally Posted by Yas392

They have Master (War of the Lance, pages 21-25), Noble (Dragonlance Campaign Setting, pages 50-52), Mystic (Dragonlance Campaign Setting, pages 47-50), Nightstalker (Races of Ansalon, pages 153-156) base class that I have my eyes on. And Healing Hand of Mishakal (Holy Orders of the Stars, pages 42-43) and Warmage (Age of Mortals, pages 48-49) prestige classes.

I am looking to play either a healer, blaster or support classes in case I lose interest in my primary choices. The prestige classes are to boost healing and blasting.

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I skimmed through the Dragonlance sourcebooks you named. I can't pretend to understand all the options available but I'll trust you'll let me know if something is broken. You can consider the (I think) "2nd-party" Dragonlance sourcebooks for D&D 3.5e to be broadly allowed.

Awesome, thank you.

Next step: Changing Eilyra from a level 22 fey-ri to a level 20ish(Probably 17 or 18 after LA), half fiend, reviewing backstory, all that fun stuff. :smallsmile:

I think I’ve got the mechanical broad strokes down, so I’ll put a placeholder here

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Originally Posted by chaincomplex

I remember that thread. Good thread. In general I don't want to make it so that monstrous race players are taking a big L in doing so.

For that reason I'm fine with treating the LA as +3.

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Should I assume similar for other stuff the LA Reassignment stuff has covered?

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Originally Posted by AvatarVecna

Should I assume similar for other stuff the LA Reassignment stuff has covered?

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Most likely yes, but definitely point me to the relevant discussion so I can convince myself the specific LA reduction you have in mind is justified.

I am torn between two ideas-

One Ear, a half-troll tibbit who wants to resurrect the high-level lich whose familiar sired her tribe.

[EDIT]- this build would benefit greatly from the LA reassignment.


The Interloper, a LN monster that is bound by a pact with hell to ensure no abberation gets the prize. Basically, there was a koumite to determine who would get this job, and a farspawn ate the winner. Now it is bound to complete the job.

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Originally Posted by chaincomplex

Most likely yes, but definitely point me to the relevant discussion so I can convince myself the specific LA reduction you have in mind is justified.

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Spellwarped

Thri-Kreen

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Originally Posted by chaincomplex

For templates, anything that's not LA —. No restrictions on alignment, just be sure you can role play not attacking other PCs. Overt or covert hostilities between PCs is only OK with mutual consent.

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Thanks, and some more pertinent questions;
Is permanent int increase retroactive?

I am currently looking at a Neutral Mummy, on a flying unholy chariot,

My query was overlooked but partly answered. I still need a definitive answer though.

Are officially WOTC approved second party sources allowed? I am thinking of mimir.com and athas.org as sources for 3.5 material for Planescape and Dark Sun material. Just for the record, they would be ideal sources of material for you to use too, as a DM.