Re: [3.5] Wizard generalist optimization
Antimagic Field with self excluded is about the WORST thing you can do.
1) Antimagic Fields don't prevent spells from being cast THROUGH them, only INTO them. (they don't even prevent that, only suppress)
Thus, I am wizard A. I am outside an AMF.
I see Target B. It is outside an AMF.
However, an AMF exists between us.
I can cast my spells just fine on Target B. The fact that an AMF exists between us is irrelevant.
When a wizard removes the AMF from his square, he gains almost no benefit from it. This is actually a tactic that many people THINK is good, but ends up being a paper shield. Some Area effect spells will be stopped, melee types that attempt to come close will have a hard time.... But Casters will still rip such a tactic apart, with almost no effort.
The OPTIMIZED tactic is to imbue your familiar with the ability to cast Antimagic Field, and send it in to neutralize casters, while you land orb spells on them (or CC all their friends).
Re: [3.5] Wizard generalist optimization
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Originally Posted by
Greg
The OP wants a very optimised build. Mastery of Shaping allows him to cast antimagic field and exclude himself. I'd say it's worth it.
But it emanates from him, so unless there's some sort of precident I'd have thought that he wouldn't be able to do that.
Also, even if he can, it cuts off all line of efect, so as I understand it, all he could do is cast more personal range spells.
Re: [3.5] Wizard generalist optimization
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Originally Posted by
Myou
But it emanates from him, so unless there's some sort of precident I'd have thought that he wouldn't be able to do that.
Also, even if he can, it cuts off all line of efect, so as I understand it, all he could do is cast more personal range spells.
It's allowed, and he can do it.
But AMF Does not block Line of Effect. So any of the casters outside can still hit him just fine.
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Talic
It's allowed, and he can do it.
But AMF Does not block Line of Effect. So any of the casters outside can still hit him just fine.
Wow, how counterintuitive.
Do you have a source or a page reference so that I can prove it when it comes up in a game? Because it almost certainly will in my current game.
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Myou
Wow, how counterintuitive.
Do you have a source or a page reference so that I can prove it when it comes up in a game? Because it almost certainly will in my current game.
While it might be listed somewhere else I have forgotten, where I remember it is in the rules compendium under antimagic. If that book is not available the section on antimagic appears in an excerpt found here
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/4ex/20071009a
I believe that the excerpt matches the text in the book but I will leave a word by word comparison to others. In any case both my copy of the rules compendium and the excerpt say that an antimagic area doesn’t block line of effect.
Re: [3.5] Wizard generalist optimization
I just read the entry in the RC and actually, according to the rules compendium, it seems that you can not cast because you're totally surrounded by the field.
You might interpret the text differently, but that's what it seems to say to me.
Re: [3.5] Wizard generalist optimization
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Originally Posted by
Myou
I just read the entry in the RC and actually, according to the rules compendium, it seems that you can not cast because you're totally surrounded by the field.
You might interpret the text differently, but that's what it seems to say to me.
Out of curiosity what part of the text are you getting that from.
Re: [3.5] Wizard generalist optimization
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olentu
Out of curiosity what part of the text are you getting that from.
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If a spell’s point of origin is inside an antimagic area, that spell is entirely suppressed.
It depends on how you interpret this line.
But in any case, to me it seems pretty silly to allow an emanation form you to exclude you, and even sillier to allow spells to pass through an antimagic field when there's no way around it so I wouldn't allow it, but you might see it differently.
Re: [3.5] Wizard generalist optimization
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Originally Posted by
Myou
It depends on how you interpret this line.
But in any case, to me it seems pretty silly to allow an emanation form you to exclude you, and even sillier to allow spells to pass through an antimagic field when there's no way around it so I wouldn't allow it, but you might see it differently.
I suppose that I do see it differentially for several reasons, one of which is the strangeness when considering where the antimagic fields point of origin is.
Re: [3.5] Wizard generalist optimization
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Talic
Antimagic Field with self excluded is about the WORST thing you can do.
It's pretty much full protection from melee assault if you use fly. Combine it with greater invisibility, and it can be quite handy for avoiding taking damage.
I take your point though - there's a 7th level spell that casts antimagic field at a distance in MoF.
Re: [3.5] Wizard generalist optimization
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Originally Posted by
Talic
Antimagic Field with self excluded is about the WORST thing you can do.
1) Antimagic Fields don't prevent spells from being cast THROUGH them, only INTO them. (they don't even prevent that, only suppress)
would selective spell from shining south on an antimagic field allow you to be immune to most spells and still be able to cast?