Same in 792...nitpicking, yes, but only cos you asked us to!Quote:
Originally Posted by Angel Bob
Anyway, great work, this could be a great resource for the comic - keep it up!
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Same in 792...nitpicking, yes, but only cos you asked us to!Quote:
Originally Posted by Angel Bob
Anyway, great work, this could be a great resource for the comic - keep it up!
This has "Win" written all over it.
Just think of this as the "things you never noticed" thread, except a permanent record version that records them all.
Xelbiuj is amazingly observant here, and I think that this deserves at least some mention in the annotations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xelbiuj
Also, the stupid ogre from strip four appears in the last panel of strip 326
I think that's just a generic ogre.Quote:
Originally Posted by NihhusHuotAliro
Not sure if these deserve special mention, but they weren't on the list:
886: Redcloak's patch is on backward. None of the Order have seen him with the eyepatch before, which is probably why. On page 2, panel 8, Xykon says Roy's name, another indication that it's an illusion since Xykon can never remember his name.
887: Tsukiko and the Azure City Resistance are all alive in the illusion. The Order wouldn't know they were dead.
Edit: 907: Durkon's accent returns in panel 10 when he's no longer under Malack's control. While a Thrall, he was previously speaking without his regular accent.
The acid shark was punched in 542, not 541. You should also point out that this was a self-lampoon, since Rich actually wrote the source book that shark came out of, and that people actually made fun of it the way the roaches did (not knowing the shark was supposed to be tongue-in-cheek humor)
(754) "Polozius", the elven ambassador identity, Z'zdrti uses is one letter away from "Polonius," the name of a very long-winded character from the Shakespearean tragedy "Hamlet." Zz'drti, as Vaasruvius' "opposite" talks very little. The identity may be a reference to one of Polonius' more well known lines "Brevity is Wit."
Additionally, The Sticktale that Roy tells the Order on the boat after his resurrection is a OotS-stylized version of Hamlet.
Edit:Spoiler: Start of Darkness SpoilersThe Giants that Xykon kills and zombifies early on are the same giants he came back with after recruiting at the end of SoD.
We also learn that Right-Eye's daughter has been adopted in SoD. As an odd comparison, Both of Inkyrius and Vaarsuvius' children are adopted.
Cheering on V from other planes: Sabine in 918 and Roy's father in 664
Nudity = Invisibility: http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0665.html
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0302.html
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0027.html
#256 - Thog breaks the fourth wall when he references the gender-swapping belt storyline he wasn't involved in (Panel 6).
#788 - Thog again shows his ability to break the fourth wall when he references the non-traditional panel layout with Roy (panel 6) and later in the same strip he mentions that he was unsure whether or not he had killed innocents because it was never shown on any panel (panel 10).
Haley is "unaffected" only because she is the one who begins combat. Elan, Belkar and Trigak are all surprised, meaning they didn't expect her to start shooting at the chimaera.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheWombatOfDoom
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Originally Posted by TheWombatOfDoom
While essentially accurate, this could be much better worded, and could explain things a bit better for those not familiar with the idiom. Suggested rewrite:
SpoilerIn the last panel, Nui took the colloquial term "skeleton crew", which typically means "lightly staffed" literally, as in "a crew of skeletons." In D&D, skeletons resist damage from non-bludgeoning weapons, she has a brought a Morningstar and a Warhammer. She also has several vials of Holy Water, which can be applied to a weapon for bonus damage against Undead, or thrown like a grenade for damage against Undead.
Spoiler: Strips 901-1000
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Strip 905: Blow the Lid Off
- In Panel 7, Elan's dialogue references Strip 692, where he fights a cactus to get its flower for Haley.
Strip 907: Always Hiring
- In panel 10, Durkon's accent returns, as he is no longer Malack's Thrall. Since becoming Malack's Thrall in Strip 878, he had had no accent.
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Strip 908: Reverse Polarity - No annotations yet
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Strip 910: Marching On - No annotations yet
Strip 911: Operation Desert Inform - No annotations yet
Strip 912: Working Together - No annotations yet
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Strip 916: Executive Order - No annotations yet
Strip 917: Hold On - No annotations yet
Strip 918: These Last Few Are All from the Same Sender - No annotations yet
Strip 919: I Went Down, Down, Down
- In panel 7, we see Belkar make a reference to Strip 20, where Vaarsuvius states that he/she "loves the smell of bat guano in the morning." Bat guano is the spell component for the Fireball spell.
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Strip 925: Catching Up With Family
- In Panel 9, we see blackwing has caught the bow that Haley drops while being stunned.
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Strip 928: Go
- In panel 1, Vaarsuvius says: "I believe Xykon is chilly today," which references that the priority target (which is usually Xykon) is cold, which in this case meant Miron, who is wearing a scarf. This exact style of exchange (down to the confirmation of "I understand") occurs in Strip 716 between Haley and V.
Strip 931: My Two Dads
- The title of this strip is a reference to the TV sitcom, "My Two Dads".
- In Panel 2, we see what Elan did off panel before Strip 837.
- In Panel 6, Laurin can be seen "Pop"ing back into the background.
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Strip 932: His Number One Fan - No annotations yet
Strip 933: Getting a Little Carried Away - No annotations yet
Strip 934: All Hands on Deck - No annotations yet
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Strip 936: End of the Line - No annotations yet
Strip 937: Travel Time - No annotations yet
Strip 938: This is Not a Thing That is Going to Happen - No annotations yet
Strip 939: Donation Drive - No annotations yet
Strip 940: Resisting a Rest - No annotations yet
Strip 941: Relatively OK - No annotations yet
Strip 942: But He Probably Has a Halberd Now
- In Panel 12, we find out that Geoff's son is the Pole Arm Salesman from Strip 136.
Strip 943: Everyone Hates Goodbye Scenes
- The "head" Julio mentions in the last panel is the ship's toilet.
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Strip 944: All of the Above, Actually - No annotations yet
Strip 945: Jumbled Up - No annotations yet
Strip 946: It's What's Inside That Counts - No annotations yet
Strip 947: Keep in Mind - No annotations yet
Strip 948: Behind the Eyes - No annotations yet
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Strip 952: Weather or Not - No annotations yet
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Strip 957: Takes One to Know One - No annotations yet
Strip 958: This Sucks - No annotations yet
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Strip 961: Hearing is Believing - No annotations yet
Strip 962: Just Think How Many Times He's Seen Himself Naked - No annotations yet
Strip 963: Internal Struggles
- In Panel 4, Sigdi reveals Durkon's full name for the first time.
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Strip 965: The Bargain Hunter - No annotations yet
Strip 966: About Town - No annotations yet
Strip 967: Craft Wondrous Bauble - No annotations yet
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Strip 969: It's Only His SECOND Favorite Cuisine - No annotations yet
Strip 970: Wandering Eyes - No annotations yet
Strip 971: Blast from the Past - No annotations yet
Strip 972: She Might Even Be a Bit Ahead - No annotations yet
Strip 973: Try, Try Again - No annotations yet
Strip 974: Except, You Know, That - No annotations yet
Strip 975: Up in the Air - No annotations yet
Strip 976: Hard Sell - No annotations yet
Strip 977: Zap - No annotations yet
Strip 978: Rage Against the Lightning of the Dead - No annotations yet
Strip 979: Fault Lines - No annotations yet
Strip 980: Breaking Up - No annotations yet
Strip 981: Followers Follow - No annotations yet
Strip 982: Respirate in Peace - No annotations yet
Strip 983: A Healer's Reason - No annotations yet
Strip 984: Hence the Fence - No annotations yet
Strip 985: Down the Winding Path - No annotations yet
Strip 986: Inn Doubt - No annotations yet
Strip 987: The Soul of Discretion - No annotations yet
Strip 988: Much Less Swordfighting - No annotations yet
Strip 989: Stares and Stripes Forever - No annotations yet
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Strip 991: A Sergeant and a Sapper - No annotations yet
Strip 992: Peak Condition - No annotations yet
Strip 993: Moots and Ladders - No annotations yet
Strip 994: Invitation Only - No annotations yet
Strip 995: Welcome to the Church - No annotations yet
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Strip 998: Three Sides to Every Story - No annotations yet
Strip 999: The Vote in Gods' Aye - No annotations yet
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Spoiler: Original PostThanks for the correction! Nitpick away. :smallwink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gil-Galad II
And thank you for the compliment. Though, I hope it already IS a great resource for the comic. :smallbiggrin:
This is a gag I've got the links to in the Workspace at the moment. Don't worry, I'll be putting in details with those links, it's just not a high priority as getting the main body organized and working at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by NihhusHuotAliro
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Originally Posted by NihhusHuotAliro
Yeah, while they look similar, so do a lot of creatures, and other ogres for that matter. And since the group "cleared" the level, and then blew up the dungeon, I'm fairly certain that appearance is a case of unconfirmed material.Quote:
Originally Posted by ti'esar
886 is already being worked on in my workspace. I've added some of your contribution to that update.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blisstake
887 is a good point, and I'll be adding that to my workspace. Any other catches you or anyone else has on these, please mention them!
907 I'll add to my workspace too, but it should be noted that we should also mention when Durkon's speech changed when he was raised as a thrall as well, so if you could grab me that link that would be handy.
Fixed. Copy and paste error. :smallredface: I'll note some details about the shark in 541 since that's where it originally appears. Are you aware of which book that was in?Quote:
Originally Posted by littlebum2002
I approve of this rewording, and have changed it to such. If you had any desire to, I wouldn't mind working with you to explain more D and D references in the comic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gnoman
Well, I supposed that Haley, being a rogue, was able to not be surprised in the surprise round. However, Trigak seems to have talked to them first, and then the encounter started, making everyone roll for initiative. That means Trigak being surprised is a reference to everyone being flatfooted the first round perhaps, and that's why everyone but Haley states they are surprised?Quote:
Originally Posted by Szar_Lakol
Breaking the fourth wall is a common gag in the comics, however, I can certainly mention that Thog is referencing update 51 in this dialogue. The mention at 256 of another storyline was a reference that the characters involved did not know was a reference. Thog mentioning that he liked it seems to be unknown if it was regarding Sabines comment, or that story line itself. I'll look to find the beginning of the gender changing mini arch, and reference it. Especially since Nale says it would only be for selfish reasons to have done so, which it was quite the opposite in actuality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muenster Man
Added that to the gag strip list under the same heading.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuthalion
Perhaps, but wouldn't that be a hard one to connect if Polonius is long winded, and Polozius isn't? I'll leave it out for now, but it's a nice bit of information, so what do other folks think? Anyone else see this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost Nappa
Is this an in book bonus strip? I can't seem to find this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost Nappa
Until I purchase those books, I'm refraining from doing any of the prequels unless they are being referenced in the actual comic, because I can't link them as I can the updates, and I can't review the information without having the hard copy. Therefore, while I encourage these contributions, I'll be putting this in the work post. I plan on purchasing both the prequel OotS books at some point soon, but I'm a little low on funds currently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost Nappa
While this is similar in dialect, and from other planes, I think this is more a coincidence. People often root for the protagonists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost Nappa
The last one should be update 25, actually, but I'll put this under gags devoted to Elan, so in the character's section.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost Nappa
1: LOL at the idea that V forever has to wear a cape that was wrapped around naked Roy. How funny would this have been:Quote:
Originally Posted by TheWombatOfDoom
"It is never the time! It is never the place! I am telling you now so that it is DONE!"
".....OK... Since we're making confessions, I have something to tell you about your cape..."
2: If Celia needs a backless shirt for her wings to fit through, how did she wear Haley's shirt?
Spoiler: Strips 1001-1100
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Strip 1003: An Attack on Two Levels - No annotations yet
Strip 1004: Climbing Tensions - No annotations yet
Strip 1005: Completely Mist the Point - No annotations yet
Strip 1006: Uninterrupted Torment - No annotations yet
Strip 1007: Your Worst - No annotations yet
Strip 1008: Not to Scale - No annotations yet
Strip 1009: Giving Up Hope - No annotations yet
Strip 1010: Green Means Go - No annotations yet
Strip 1011: Red Means Stop - No annotations yet
Strip 1012: Yellow Means Caution - No annotations yet
Strip 1013: Little Empathy - No annotations yet
Strip 1014: Aw, Rats! - No annotations yet
Strip 1015: Climb Every Mountain - No annotations yet
Strip 1016: King of Indecision - No annotations yet
Strip 1017: Personnel Changes - No annotations yet
Strip 1018: Or Perhaps Punch - No annotations yet
Strip 1019: Withdrawn - No annotations yet
Strip 1020: Scroll Left - No annotations yet
Strip 1021: It's a Long List - No annotations yet
Strip 1022: Terms and Conditions Apply - No annotations yet
Strip 1023: Last Call - No annotations yet
Strip 1024: The Unbanished Truth - No annotations yet
Strip 1025: Mark of Distinction - No annotations yet
Strip 1026: Goliath Falls - No annotations yet
Strip 1027: Because Reasons - No annotations yet
Strip 1028: Don't Even Ask About Electrum - No annotations yet
Strip 1029: Budget Flight - No annotations yet
Strip 1030: Naming Names - No annotations yet
Strip 1031: Cold War - No annotations yet
Strip 1032: Other Times, Not So Much - No annotations yet
Strip 1033: Sound Reasoning - No annotations yet
Strip 1034: Always a Good Rule of Thumb - No annotations yet
Strip 1035: Ringing Victory - No annotations yet
Strip 1036: Sound, But in This Case Inaccurate - No annotations yet
Strip 1037: Beast Practices - No annotations yet
Strip 1038: Goblin to Goblin - No annotations yet
Strip 1039: Multiple Choice - No annotations yet
Strip 1040: It Probably Would've Taken 30 Pages - No annotations yet
Strip 1041: Value of an Independent Variable - No annotations yet
Strip 1042: Wait Watchers - No annotations yet
Strip 1043: He Assumed It Was a Cholesterol Thing - No annotations yet
Strip 1044: Mountain Passes - No annotations yet
Strip 1045: Studying Up - No annotations yet
Strip 1046: Literally Heartless - No annotations yet
Strip 1047: Perhaps a Few Mini-Revolutions - No annotations yet
Strip 1048: Parental Bindings - No annotations yet
Strip 1049: An Uplifting Discussion - No annotations yet
Strip 1050: Hard Pass - No annotations yet
Strip 1051: Path of Most Resistance - No annotations yet
Strip 1052: Fired Giants - No annotations yet
Strip 1053: Over the Edge - No annotations yet
Strip 1054: A Kill By Any Other Name - No annotations yet
Strip 1055: All Hands on Trend - No annotations yet
Strip 1056: Top Five, Certainly - No annotations yet
Strip 1057: Suggestive Content - No annotations yet
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Strip 1059: The Fight is Not Over - No annotations yet
Strip 1060: Now Boarding - No annotations yet
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Strip 1062: Spanner in the Works - No annotations yet
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Strip 1077: All Clear - No annotations yet
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Strip 1081: Ill Intent - No annotations yet
Strip 1082: And Your Souls for Free - No annotations yet
Strip 1083: You Bet - No annotations yet
Strip 1084: Consumers Report - No annotations yet
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Strip 1087: Masters Mastering Mastery
- The title of the Strip originally was "Follower Follow", and was renamed once Rich realized that Strip 981 already had that name. This implies that perhaps some of the strip titles that match are intentional, but ultimately Rich chalks it up to forgetfulness.
Spoiler: Original PostI'm assuming she cut it to fit, or some such. Who knows? Perhaps it was an error?Quote:
Originally Posted by littlebum2002
Snips, Snails, and Dragon Tails actually. So another Book-only.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheWombatOfDoom
There's no other provisos for not being surprised than to know that you're about to do battle. Being a rogue has nothing to do with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheWombatOfDoom
You are surprised (and cannot act) in the surprise round if you are unaware of the fight that is about to start. Under normal circumstances, no one would be surprised in this scenario -- they would just roll for initiative.
The only way for the comic to play out as it did is if Haley initiated the combat, and Trigak was caught so unawares that he was surprised (along with Belkar and Elan). In that situation, Haley gets a surprise round, then since she won initiative, she gets to attack again at the top of the first round. Since Trigak hasn't had his turn, he's flat-footed throughout the sequence.
#287 - In the last panel, Elan asks Hinjo for a lollipop. In #298 Hinjo has given him one.
#318 - As well as countries named Nowhere, Somewhere, Anywhere, etc, there is also a country named Neither.
#320 - In the final panel, Road To Morocco references a film starring Bob Hope and Bing Crosby. The strip's title is Bing Crosby's Got Nothing On Us. Road To Perdition is a film starring Tom Hanks, Paul Newman, Jude Law, and Daniel Craig
#322 - refers to an old TV commercial for Tootsie Pop.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6rHeD5x2tI
#326 - Goblin Dan's beard resembles that of Colonel Sanders, founder of KFC.
#331 - Ginko biloba is a herb reputed to help improve memory, concentration and attention span. Presumably Blackwing was asking something like 'How can I get my stupid master to remember I exist?'
The misspelling in the comic- bilboa - is probably an error, not a reference to Bilbo Baggins.
#346 - The hawk is named Kitty. The Wright Brothers conducted their experiments into powered flight at Kitty Hawk.
#350 - the rookie cop is making the siren noise.
- In the real world, a polioce SWAT team uses Special Weapons And Tactics to comat the most dangerous criminals. Here it refers to using flyswatters.
#354 - a reference to the classic video arcade game Centipede.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centipede_%28video_game%29
#356 - the police chief predicts his head will shortly be on a pike.
- Roy refers to Thog as a thug, as he later did in their gladiator combat.
#371 - Xykon and Redcloak muddle up two different quotes. Obi Wan said "Luke! Don't give in to hate. That leads to the Dark Side. " Yoda says "Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to Hate. Hate leads to suffering."
#373 - "Help! Help! I'm being opressed" is a quote from Monty Python and the Holy Grail. More proof that it's not a gaming session until ...
#374, #375 - MITD is unharmed by blade, but gets a paper cut. Many people have speculated that he must be made of stone.
#379 - Belkar is already bonding with Mr Scruffy.
#385 - Sabine's opinion of V's gender has changed. In this strip she calls V 'sister.' Previously in #252 Sabine calls V a 'dude'.
That'll do for the moment.
Not particularly obscure, but you did say that you were trying to catalogue references.
Strip #253
"Warthog's School" is a play on "Hogwart's", the central setting of the Harry Potter novels. with the syllables reversed and the headmaster being a literal warthog. "Larry Gardner" is a direct parody of the main character of said series.
Strip #254
Panel 1 is a continuation of the Harry Potter reference, as "He who must not be named" is a euphemism used by the general populace to refer to the main villian of the series out of fear. In addition, panel 4 is a dig at the pop singer Prince, who changed his name to an unpronouncable symbol in the mid 1990s. Due to the unpronouncable nature of this symbol, he was referred to as "The Artist Formerly Known as Prince."
The Acid breathing shark was in Dungeonscape, I believe.
As far as explaining obscure references goes, I still have no idea what the much scarier monster was supposed to be.
That's what the Discussion Thread Index is for. I didn't remember either- but on the first page of the thread discussing 0746, the answer given was:Quote:
Originally Posted by ti'esar
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Originally Posted by SPoD
591: On page 1, panel 7, the giant devil gives a reference to the Rolling Stones' song "Sympathy For the Devil". The title of the strip, "Antipathy For the Devil", does it as well.
I think "If you pull the other one it plays Judas Priest" from 637 is a play on the phrase "pull the other one, it's got bells on", a phase some people say when someone is pulling their leg.
Or it could be from a joke about a parrot (pull the left leg, it plays popular band #1, pull the right leg it plays popular band #2. What happens if you pull both legs? It falls off its perch!) but that doesn't fit as well
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0855.html
In the third panel, Rich invented a new word: distrcted.
It is presumably a synonym for districted.
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Originally Posted by NihhusHuotAliro
Please see the below text from the OP...
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Originally Posted by TheWombatOfDoom
Well, shucks.
Certainly, the majority of art and spelling errors aren't worth noting. But a few are. I don't think it should be a blanket ban.
For example, I think it's worth noting that Haley has three arms in panel 1.
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0011.html
In 365 the clothes of Nale are getting ruffled, eg his shirt no longer sits straight on his pants. Not surI if relevant, but as Art Details are pointed out in other numbers as well...
Did you already include all the details from other threads yet? There were the really great "things you didn't notice before" threads.
Just because it isn't covered - who are the final fantasy characters in Azur City? Strip 380 or something, I guess. Just one thing from the top of my head, I assume every strip has many "hidden" details.
Like Vaarsuvius only eating vegetarian meals, all the early clues on Malack being a vampire. There might also be spoilered references to the books (but no annotations and interconnections for the book-only strips themselves!!), and also explanations of every single pun, especially the strip titles. You may think that pop culture is understandable to every reader, but it's not for foreigners or people who don't know a certain work.
If I understand you correctly, that you aim at the above, then your project is very ambitious. It might be very useful for my own pet project on the oots, so keep up your work. :smallsmile:
Are Elan's lines at the end of #923 a reference to #693 when he was talking to Roy about dinosaurs? It doesn't quite fit, since he doesn't talk about riding dinos in #693, but I can't think of any other reference he could be making.
I haven't seen anything about it on the main discussion thread, although I've only read some of it.