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SpoilerWell that makes Sabertooth out of tournament I suppose...
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New chapter!
SpoilerWell that makes Sabertooth out of tournament I suppose...
SpoilerJuriI mean the Sabertooth chick is shaping up to be a rather interesting villain.
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Well, that was certainly disapointing, from a guy who talked so much about strenght Genma sure went down fast, though its not like it wasnt well deserved, the guy was a jerk and a fool.
Overall, if his daughter takes over then it will proberly be a net gain for ST.
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I think Guilds have some leeway and I can't help; but think the smirking chick from ST will say something like "In ST a member can challenge the Master to a duel to death for the leadership, and you can also choose someone to fight in your stead. I challenged Master and asked Sting to fight for me"
Or perhaps I am sleep deprived and only make sense in my head.
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Fighting for the Master position makes sense, with ST's Might Makes Right philosophy- obviously you want the most powerful mage to be the Master so he can lead the Guild more strongly. Having a champion fight for you doesn't- that doesn't prove that you are strong enough to be the Master, it proves your champion is and should be Master instead.
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Cough*Hades*cought :smalltongue:Quote:
Dragonslayers are powered by emotions. After just heartlessly killing Sting's best friend in front of him? Yeah, I'm not sure anyone could take that blow.
Also, had he been worth the title of GM he would newer have let it connect in the first place.
Whatever internal rules ST might have doesnt matter when they break the rules of the kingdom, and i am pretty sure they have rules about killing your own guild master.Quote:
I think Guilds have some leeway and I can't help; but think the smirking chick from ST will say something like "In ST a member can challenge the Master to a duel to death for the leadership, and you can also choose someone to fight in your stead. I challenged Master and asked Sting to fight for me"
Or perhaps I am sleep deprived and only make sense in my head.
SpoilerAs I said I am a bit sleep deprived and didn't think things fully. Besides I was talking more about the legal implications of killing the master, not their standing in the Tournament, which we know will be interrupted rather soon.
Eeep.
I went to read the new chapter.
And I went:
Holy **** that got dark fast. ST Master doesn't deserve to die that easily. He should have what ST chick did to Lucy done to him, be healed, have it done again, be healed, have it done again, and THEN be ripped into a million little pieces.
Ok, that was quite a surprise. And kind of disappointing since we know hardly anything new concerning... well, anything but ST. As interesting as that was.
I guess Sting could plead self defense or something like that here... Who knows what that **** would have done next. he just took... the safest course of action. I like how Rouge jumped to protect Frosch. So cute. Though, I'd not be surprised if he didn't somehow survive... seems way to easy to finish him off. Then again Makarov nearly died to... what was that guys name? The one Phantom Lord.
Otherwise... we will apparently get some interesting stuff on dragons soon. That's pretty much it...
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So... Michelle/Imitatia was a DOLL. An effing doll. Okay, I can see a filler not being on par with the main arc but I call major BS on that one. Thanks guys, thanks a lot.
Spoiler..... I didn't think there were actually Laws in the Fairy Tail universe. With most people being Magic and capable of blowing up entire cities by tripping (DAMN YOU SAKURAI), I sure as heck would hate to be the town guard.
"Excuse me, sir, but we have to capture this criminal."
"What'd he do?"
"Um... he kinda just blew a hole in the chest of the guild master of the strongest force of fighting mages in the country."
"... I quit."
Just in case you haven't read that issue of the manga...
SpoilerNatsu: So why did he do that?
Makarov: He basically killed his version of Happy...
Natsu: WHAT he killed HAPPY! (goes ballistic)
Happy: I'm right here!
Natsu: I thought you said...
Ezra: Idiot! He said the sabertooth guildmaster murdered Sting's Exceed companion right in front of him and Sting punched a hole in the guildmaster's chest killing him!
Natsu and Gajeel glance at each other as the three Exceed's look at each other: GOOD for him!
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SpoilerPretty much figured that out when Gildarts and the other wizardress found out she was a spy, the fact she was Lucy's favourite childhood toy was a surprise though.
Brain or whatever he's calling himself is overdue for a buttkicking, question is will he be absorbed by the infinity clock releasing Lucy because that would be poetic justice at this moment!
SpoilerWell yeah, the Magic Mages would think like that. I'm thinking more about who has to clean up after all the guilds. 'cause this certainly won't go down easy.
You got your Dragon Slayers with their massive property damage, you've got guild leaders being murdered, you've got your innocent little cat dudes being blown up.... the local police force probably can't even touch anyone without the entire squad getting taken down with minimal effort. Especially since half of these crimes are being committed by the strongest gang in existance...
That's actually a good way to put it: you've got a bunch of Super Powered Gang Babies. Who's gonna even remotely keep them in line?
Oh? wasn't the point of Jellal hiding his identity to keep it secret from Magic Council Army? you know, the people who arrest rouge mages? you know, the magic police force. the people who fight mages. because they are mages too. and they can fight mages. cause they are, you know, mages trained to fight mages.
He killed a cat. Talking cat, but still a cat. Yes it wasn't nice but in response Sting killed a man. And not an ordinary man - a leader of strongest guild in Fiore - so he was somehow influential. Killed in a town full of Rune Knights - a magic police force. No, I don't think he will be able to escape it in any legal way.Quote:
Assuming the bastard is actually dead I doubt he would actually be convicted of anything for lashing out at someone who just murdered his friend right in front of him, especially if this is a feudal society.
Oh. Right then. I'm surprised Fairy Tail's gotten away with all of their property damage, then. But I suppose that puts my thoughts to rest.
Well, he could claim self defense... though I agree this certainly isn't about to end prettily.
I thought that the creatures like Happy had rights... though I'm admitedly the least versed in the knowledge of Fairy Tail of the manga that I read. Probably why I love it the most; I'm ignorant of any of it's flaws.
Still, how powerful do you think the police mages are? It's not like real world, where more people=more weapons=better chance of winning. If a mage guild hoes rouge, I'm sure even the police force would be at a loss and needed to recruit another guild or two for a somehow fair chance. Otherwise, if the police mages were that powerful, why wouldn't they compete in the tourney or... something? Fiore is clearly strongly dependent on the goodwill of the guilds.
Are you seriously implying an Exceed, a talking, sensitive, intelligent cat is inferior to a human in a legal sense? You're kidding, right? Yeah, what Rogue did was not okay but it can be justified. And it wasn't worse than what GM did. Cold blooded murder against... well... kind of revenge or possibly self-defense.Quote:
He killed a cat. Talking cat, but still a cat. Yes it wasn't nice but in response Sting killed a man. And not an ordinary man - a leader of strongest guild in Fiore - so he was somehow influential. Killed in a town full of Rune Knights - a magic police force. No, I don't think he will be able to escape it in any legal way.
About power of wizard police - sure, I don't think they are very strong but they can fight in numbers untill oponent runes out of juice (like in Baldur's Gate 2 opening sequence - Ironicus vs Cowled Wizards). Still, it's hard to speculate about their fighting strength because we've never seen them in a fight ;-)
Also - how do you think a guildless police member would be able to participate in guild tournament?
I honestly don't know... would magic council even care to take time and make sure all of the... what... 5? 6? exceed were guaranteed laws equal to a human? I can see it going both ways...Quote:
Are you seriously implying an Exceed, a talking, sensitive, intelligent cat is inferior to a human in a legal sense?
Even if we assume that the cat was only property, such a blatant attack on another's property could be considered cause for lethal retribution in a feudal society, and Fiore is a feudal society, albeit one apparently on the verge of some sort of magic-industrialization (wasn't Lucy's father a railroad tycoon?). Remember that throughout most of human history legal justifications for homicide were easier to meet, and even under modern standards (mostly limited to self defense) Sting would at the very least go under a lesser crime.
IIRC the guild had some money issues due clients asking for compensation of the damaged property and there is also the "faux" arrest of Erza near the beginning of the story. So while retribution with deathly force is a first, retribution for damaged property isn't.
Again, who exactly is going to come after them for it? The strongest guilds so far have all proven to be weaker than them, with some members capable of soloing entire groups of others. And, as you yourself have stated, the magic army hasn't been seen in action, so we really have no idea if they're this universe's version of Storm Troopers or not. Given how most generic guards are treated in fiction, it's probably a safe bet, though.
No. What you are implying is that the only reason why FT mages aren't in prison is because people are scared of them and they are too strong.
Council could have easily declar FT illegal and make it target for other guilds. Yes the are strong, but they were almost annihilated by Phantom Lords. They can be defeated.
Of course a guild can be defeated but taking the "we throw police men/soldiers at them until they can not kill anymore" tactic seems like those jobs are... unattractive would be quite an understatement. Maybe they really have elite forces for such things we don't really know about yet or special tactics but from what I can see in the story they are really mostly relying on a) the guilds being made up of weak guys and b) a single guild turning evil being the possible target of all other guilds in Fiore due to the magic council.
Also, back on the Exceed business...as Jindra said, there were at leadt a few hundred Exceed migrating into Fiore after the Edolas arc. Yeah, those are still a minority but it would be very strange if they'd not be given the same personal rights as all sentient beings. (Well, humans, in that case)
Also... I wonder if we will ever see the Exceed kingdom again... or are they really living like savages in some government hosted ghetto separated from humans?
They actually outright said that the normal army was no match for a guild early in the manga, but we also know there are "rune knights" that are strong enough to deal with guilds, they are the ones who arrested Jellal and tried to interfere with Fairy Tail on Tenrou Island.
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So it was an exposition heavy chapter; but it is quite interesting, apparently the more a Dragon Slayer uses his magic the more Draconic he becomes and Acknowlgia killed so many dragons he became the Dragon. Freaking.King. My already high respect for Gildartz shoot even higher.
This arc antagonis has been revealed and I am sure Lucy will get the remaining Gold keys by the end of the arc; but the thing that bothers me the most is that I am not sure if the final BBEG will be Zereff or Acknowlgia.
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This certainly moved the plot ahead by quite a lot, though im not sure it was using DS magic alone that created the Dragon king.
To start with we were told he was bathing in their blood, that might have been influencing thing, and Zeref might also have had a hand in the transformation.
SpoilerCrap I can't remember the X Dragon scales was spell/techniques by itself or if it was a by-product of using other spells/techniques. Though now that you mention it, it probably has something to do with Zereff.
Crazy Theory Time: Dragons came to be because long before the Dragon's Kings Festival Zeref* created the Dragon Slaying magic and people abused it so much that they turned into dragons forgetting their life as human!
*Not to be taken seriously.
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SpoilerHold on, the end of that chapter gave me the impression thats what those two want you to think.
What if the Dragon King came to Fairy Tail Island in pursuit of Zeref?
I'm wondering if Zeref is actually the dragon and the dragon was the dragon slayer who ended up being forcibly body swapped alowing Zeref to become the legendary and infamous sorceror he's known to be whilst the Dragon King has been left with no means of returning to his normal form and the other dragons taught their Dragon Slayers and then disappeared to try and get this matter resolved without losing any more dragons...
My reasoning is that none of the other dragons realised what had happened and assumed the Dragon King was a result of Dragon Slaying Magic gone horribly awry, given how it was discussed it wouldn't take much since a certain other character is supposed to be an alternate form of Grandine in human form to assume they have tried this before... whose to say one of the dragons didn't do this to escape the resulting apocalypse of the dragon war?
Of course there's still the matter of why Zeref claimed to recognise Natsu which I think might be important but still did any of you who read this chapter got any other ideas about this?
I think this is highly unlikely, seing as Acnologia's transformation was gradual.Quote:
I'm wondering if Zeref is actually the dragon and the dragon was the dragon slayer who ended up being forcibly body swapped alowing Zeref to become the legendary and infamous sorceror he's known to be whilst the Dragon King has been left with no means of returning to his normal form and the other dragons taught their Dragon Slayers and then disappeared to try and get this matter resolved without losing any more dragons...
Dragons dragons dragons. So many dragons. I mean, I can't blame him, they're awesome, but it's clear the mangaka has a bit of a fetish toward them (hell, just look at his last work, Rave Master).
Well, that was an interesting bit of information...
So... since crazy theories are apparently allowed again I'll just try a shot in the blue: Seven, er, fourteen years ago the King of Dragons was around trying to get rid of the last "real" dragons, including the fire, metal and air varieties. Guilt tripped Zeref somehow figured it out and warned them but forcing them to leave their adepts behind when they went... wherever. Another dimension, probably. And... something like that happened to the Holy and Shadow dragon as well? I don't really know.
Also, now we can switch from wondering "What is Acnologia's element" to "What kind of slayer used Acnologia to be". Not sure if better or worse...
Otherwise... I liked the Jade dragon. He was funny. A bit stupid but funny.
(And stupid dragons... trusting humans to help them in their war and not turning against them... hahahahahaha.
Dragons didn't had so much appearance in Rave Master. They were mostly the Let, Julia and the Dragon Tamer dude side-plot.
So, anyone else thinks that the White Knight lying when he says Zeref did all the actual transforming?
Maybe going too far into any kind of magic simply changes you into that? Iced Shell kills the user and turns him/her into ice, Dragon Slaying apparently can make you a Dragon and maybe some kind of Dark Magic turns into demons?
The Jade Dragon made it sound like it was a rather unique event, i dont think there is anyone else that has transformed like him.Quote:
Other things to consider: who said Acnologia is the only DS to become a dragon? Igneel, and metalicono all could have been human once. I'm positive Grandine was human once though.
And furthermore, considering the bloodcrazed killingspree Arcnologia had to embark upon to transform himself, then i find it even more unlikely that any of the dragons we know of would have done the same.
Eh.. we do have some indication that even the Rune Knights probably can't be expected to stand up to the more powerful guilds. If you remember the Magic Power Finder game after Erza destroyed the entire house-o'-monsters, Milliana's score of 365 was high enough to rank as a standard squad captain. And then Orga scored 10 times higher, Jura more than doubled *that*, and Cana's Fairy Glitter was past the Power Finder's ability to measure. In the face of that much power difference I suspect most Rune Knights wouldn't be of any more use than non-magical soldiers.
Re New Chapter: Trololol Dragon. Just in case you thought dragons were majestic and wise or something.
I dont quite agree, while that test certainly is excellent proof of that a Rune knight would lose a 1 vs 1 fight against most members from the higher ranked guilds, then at the same time it only showns how hard a punch the guild wizards pack, and doesnt measure their actual skill in battle, or how well their defence would hold against 8-9 different opponents all blasting low level offensive magic towards them.Quote:
Eh.. we do have some indication that even the Rune Knights probably can't be expected to stand up to the more powerful guilds. If you remember the Magic Power Finder game after Erza destroyed the entire house-o'-monsters, Milliana's score of 365 was high enough to rank as a standard squad captain. And then Orga scored 10 times higher, Jura more than doubled *that*, and Cana's Fairy Glitter was past the Power Finder's ability to measure. In the face of that much power difference I suspect most Rune Knights wouldn't be of any more use than non-magical soldiers.
Just as an example, while Cana did scored the highest on the test, would you belive her to stand any chance whatsoever in a 1 vs 1 with Jura or Orga?
With the exception of Cana, I suspect the MPF does show skill in battle reasonably well, although mostly as an associated/correlated talent: People who have kinds of magic that perform well on MPF (that is, primarily direct combat-related bursts) will also likely have been practicing how to apply said direct combat talents. As for wave tactics/concentrated fire from significantly weaker opponents.. I'm pretty sure mages on the level of Orga and certainly Jura can functionally just ignore it, either with a basic defensive spell or by being Just That Strong. It's a pretty common Shounen thing, and I don't recall anything happening that shows that it doesn't apply in Fairy Tail.
For the question of Cana specifically: She's a Fairy Tail S-class candidate. None of those are people you can safely underestimate. That said, my guess is that she'd need to be granted another shot of Fairy Glitter in order to beat Orga or Jura; without it, she may have the necessary magic power reserves, but the kinds of magic we've seen her do so far don't have the face-smashing power and applications to duel with the styles Orga and Jura use.
The only thing I know is that I'd hate to be a human living in Fairy Tail land. Might be a little better than living in a Marvel Comic or Metropolis, but still.
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SpoilerIts done and dusted the ending sequence that speaks about the next episode which is entitled "Sabertooth" and the last scene is of a certain pair of dragonslayers!
Can anyone get a screen grab or better yet a colour pic of the new pair?
Looks like they're ready to rumble!:smallbiggrin:
Filler is finally over, yeah... And it started okay enough but I felt it really fust went downhill up to today's finale...
But we will finally turn towards the tourney arc and that means... we will have Norio back in a few episodes! Even if it's just for an episode I always smile when I hear his awesome voice.
True, but (admitedly speaking completely out of my ass) Superman doesn't intentionally provoke as much property damage. His fights do get that messy, but when Superman's out and about, you don't expect him to blow up your entire town, or lol-trip and sink your village. You expect those kinds of shenanigans from Fairy Tail.
... how the heck do they possibly afford to be able to pay for all of the property damage they commit?
Really? I thought it was because they were mages that you could use them. Use Magic Device isn't a commoner skill, and most commoners don't get to be high enough level to afford the cross class ranks, after all.
*thwack* Don't get your fancy D&D in my Fairy Tail. Iirc there was a duo of not-magic user thugs way at the beginning (and then again somewhere in a filler(?) who was able to use some magic items. So apparently, yeah, commoners can use magic items. Is it even ever stated whether being a mage is a gift granted at birth or requires potential or if anyone can just decide to become one?
I only read the chapter now... wow. I mean... wow.
It just... it just makes sense.
Say what you will about the writing (ie, that the mangaka really has no idea how to set up a threat, as Natsu's complete solo crushing of Sting and Rogue show), but sometimes, Fairy Tail REALLY does stuff that makes sense. Or is atleast really awesome.
I still remember the fun I had when they all held hands, started chanting "we believe in friendship!" and half way through the chant they get Apocolypse Dragon'ed. Good times.
Mashima admits openly that he is basically flying by the seat of his pants, so whenever you see things tying together so well, you can't help but be impressed.
That's one of the things I like most about FT - Mashima is very honest with us readers.
I doubt there's anything official on it, but so far it seems like a mix of both; my guess is that anyone can *learn* magic, but how well one can do with it is (at least to start with, since this is a shounen and being willing to train really hard can do amazing things for you) more a matter of native potential.
Today we're going to have an entire chapter about titties. Then we'll have a nice artistic chapter with no dialoge featuring Gildartz. I'm doing this solely so chapter 300 can have a special revelation in it.
Yha, I'll give him that much. He's nothing if not honest about his style.
The same way they did it on Cowboy Bebop. That damage is almost always caused while on a job, so as long as the job pays more than the damage bill they are fine. Besides that though, I imagine that the top wizard guild in the kingdom is pretty rich. Real world guilds in Europe could get very rich and powerful, and I imagine wizards' guilds even moreso.