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Re: The Warhammer Models Thread III: A Brush With Death
Hi im pretty new here well by new i mean i dont post all that much but i do like to read and i am really impressed with the quality of the Models you are painting.
I just recently got back into the hobby after a long time off so i am still finding my feet (and alll my modeling stuff) so i thought id post you my latest painted model its out the black reach box so the pose is pretty standard i just cant decide if i prefer a white basecoat or black.
Still have the eagle to do and the Gun but i think it turned out ok.
But thats with a white basecoat
Is with a black though i dont like the helmet shape.
Thanks for reading :)
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Re: The Warhammer Models Thread III: A Brush With Death
Well, as far as priming a model, I used to use both.
I've found that white primer works well for bright colors and flesh tones, while black is good for dark colors and metallics.
Now I use a gray primer, and it works passably well for both sets of colors.
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Re: The Warhammer Models Thread III: A Brush With Death
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Turcano
They aren't bad; in fact, I've heard that Kolinsky makes them.
I would steer clear of brushes made by Kolinskies.
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dsmiles
Large, shaky hands + large tip brush =/= nicely painted details. I struggle with a 10/0 to do irises and/or pupils. Lately I've been sorely tempted to buy one of those 30/0 brushes.
Man, W&N S7s only go down to a 3/0. Raphael 8404s, 6/0. Rosemary & Co is the only good brush that goes down to 10/0. Is a 30/0 like a single hair tied to a stick?
What I'm saying is, if your brushes have large tips, maybe you should get some better brushes. My S7 size 4 held a better point than the Citadel Detail brush, and maybe even the Fine Detail.
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In between all my other projects I decided I really wanted to paint a Valkyrie. I have never painted a 40k vehicle before and I was inspired after watching CMON's 7 Day Army Painter dvd- which was great, btw.
The bird was fully assembled last night and the primer is currently drying, so I'll start my airbrushing later today. I did go out and buy a new airbrush with some birthday money and a wonderful 50% off coupon for my local Michael's. I originally was going to save up for an airbrush that's mentioned in the DVD, but with that coupon, and after looking at what they have available and checking reviews online, I decided to buy local. I got a Badger 175 airbrush- it's a bottom fed unit that comes with 3 different nozzles with matching needles, which means I can switch out and go from pencil-fine lines to wide spray for basecoating, which is really nice.
After getting used to the airbrush I decided to do a test card using the color scheme I want for this Valkyrie. I decided I really liked the rust from the video, so I created that as an under layer, masked it off with liquid latex, and then sprayed on my main paint colors. I decided to use Catachan Green, then a 1:1 mix with Camo Green, and a final highlight of pure Camo to create the paint color. Once that dried I came over it with an oil based wash, using both black and brown oil paints ot create weathering streaks. I also tested a white stripe that I'll probably paint on the wings. I'm very pleased with the results and can't wait to paint this bird!
http://www.stonetowerminiatures.com/...kyrie/val1.jpg
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Re: The Warhammer Models Thread III: A Brush With Death
Woah, woah, woah! Kolinsky sable brushes are the best you can get for mini painting. I use Rosemary & Co. brushes as they're cheaper than Winsor & Newton series 7 and they seems to be better quality as well (at least to me). I do have to say that either Rosemary or W&n are the way to go if you want good brushes for mini painting.
As for size- I have a size 0 I'm using now that has such a sharp tip I can do eyes with it with no problem. I do have smaller brushes that I use on a regular basis for different things, but I've never needed anythign smaller than a 3/0. I had a 5/0 for a while, but it doesn't have much of a belly so it wasn't good for anything more than a quick dot or stroke before needing a reload.
When it comes to primer the only important thing to know is that the color of primer can affect what you paint over it. Whites give you brighter colors and black will darken your colors a bit (grey's just neutral and works just fine). It's personal preference, really. Generally I use black for table top quality stuff and white for more display quality stuff.
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Re: The Warhammer Models Thread III: A Brush With Death
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Ninja Chocobo
I would steer clear of brushes
made by
Kolinskies.
Man, W&N S7s only go down to a 3/0. Raphael 8404s, 6/0. Rosemary & Co is the only
good brush that goes down to 10/0. Is a 30/0 like a single hair tied to a stick?
What I'm saying is, if your brushes have large tips, maybe you should get some better brushes. My S7 size 4 held a better point than the Citadel Detail brush, and maybe even the Fine Detail.
I order my brushes from here.
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Re: The Warhammer Models Thread III: A Brush With Death
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CreganTur
I got a Badger 175 airbrush- it's a bottom fed unit that comes with 3 different nozzles with matching needles, which means I can switch out and go from pencil-fine lines to wide spray for basecoating, which is really nice.
From what I've read online, you really want to shell out for the gravity-fed brushes. I recall the Paasche Talon and the Iwata...something being claimed to be very good for their price.
I guess that's too late to point out though, huh.
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CreganTur
After getting used to the airbrush I decided to do a test card using the color scheme I want for this Valkyrie.
The middle splotch looks sorta...painted-on. Rest looks rad as hell as usual though.
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dsmiles
I order my brushes from
here.
I've never heard of these, which is perhaps not a good thing. They look pretty much like a single hair tied to a stick nubby thing though.
I would suggest trying one of the brands I mentioned; they're held to be the best miniature painting brushes, in order of popularity.
e: W&N S7 = Windsor & Newton Series 7.
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The middle stripe does look painted on. On the other hand, that could be the look you're going for there (that is, the sort of crude identification that gets added in the field).
Tomb stalker update (or rather, lack of one); At the moment, I'm struggling to figure out what to use for a base. My original plan was to make a crystal using Styrofoam, but then I realized that you can't spray prime Styrofoam. So, back to the drawing board as far as the "perch" goes.
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Finally started painting again, hoping to work away some of my Malifaux mini's.
(Still the same problems deciding on colours and such, I started on about 10 different miniatures before finishing this one. And it doesn't look that great. Guess that's what not painting for so long does.)
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Re: The Warhammer Models Thread III: A Brush With Death
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Squark
The middle stripe does look painted on. On the other hand, that could be the look you're going for there (that is, the sort of crude identification that gets added in the field).
Tomb stalker update (or rather, lack of one); At the moment, I'm struggling to figure out what to use for a base. My original plan was to make a crystal using Styrofoam, but then I realized that you can't spray prime Styrofoam. So, back to the drawing board as far as the "perch" goes.
I'm too lazy to make my own. I uaually use Secret Weapon stuff.
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Ninja Chocobo
Im no Free Waterfall, Jr.http://images.wikia.com/en.futurama/...all%2C_Jr..jpg
, but if thats true I wont buy any GW Brushes anymore, Have you any more Information?
Edit: I thougt they're synthetic, but you're right: They're real hair.. :smallconfused:
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Well, a sable hair brush by definition comes from an animal. But it purportedly comes from the tail of the animal. The real question being the treatment of the animals, and whether they are gathering cast of, or killing it for harvest.
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Re: The Warhammer Models Thread III: A Brush With Death
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Gryffon
Well, a sable hair brush by definition comes from an animal. But it purportedly comes from the tail of the animal. The real question being the treatment of the animals, and whether they are gathering cast of, or killing it for harvest.
I figured that, I meant if there's any Informtaion where the GW Hair comes from :) China for Example is a sure sign for not good gathering
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Re: The Warhammer Models Thread III: A Brush With Death
The Kolinsky is native to Russia.
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Re: The Warhammer Models Thread III: A Brush With Death
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Originally Posted by
dsmiles
Large, shaky hands + large tip brush =/= nicely painted details. I struggle with a 10/0 to do irises and/or pupils. Lately I've been sorely tempted to buy one of those 30/0 brushes.
But then that is the problem. But i wonder how much it helps. But yeah hands shake, if mine didnīt i would propebly use 1 for most of mine.
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Re: The Warhammer Models Thread III: A Brush With Death
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Originally Posted by
Gryffon
Well, a sable hair brush by definition comes from an animal. But it purportedly comes from the tail of the animal. The real question being the treatment of the animals, and whether they are gathering cast of, or killing it for harvest.
From what I've heard, they just shave the tail. It actually doesn't make economical sense to kill the animals for brush bristles: keeping the animal alive means that you can shave the fur again every time it grows back.
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The first major step in the painting process has been completed. I finished all of the rust, did all of the masking, painted all of the armor color and highlight, weathering, and did the white stripes. Alll in all it took about 4 - 6 hours, including drying time, to do all of this which is pretty darn good.
It's not done yet, but you can get a good sense for how the finished piece is going to look once I clean everything up. I do think I masked it a bit early after varnishing the rust because some of the rust turned white and chalky. I can clean that up during the next steps, but it's something to keep in mind for next time.
Later tonight I'm going to paint all of the metallics that aren't going to be rusted and give them a heavy wash to help weather them. Along with that I'll also be cleaning up a few areas of the armor color, but the biggest thing will be finishing the weathering. I'll be adding more pronounced rust stains in certain areas, blackening from weapons file and engine wash, and applying a gem like effect on the cockpit glass to make it look good. It's going to be challenging because I'll be switching to my airbrush's fine nozzle, which means I'll need a lot more precision and control.
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creantur you are awesome.
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Nice work, CT. Those engines look a little worse for wear. Those IG guys should know better. :smalltongue:
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This (stuff) deserves its own post. All of it is straight off of Photobucket, with no retouching on the lighting, so it is what it is:
Malifaux:Spoiler
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Sonnia Criid:
Watcher:
C. Hoffman:
Lucius:
Fatty (AKA: Guild Guard Capitan):
Scales of Justice:
Purifying Flame(?):
Hunter:
Guardian:
WarmaHordes:Spoiler
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Press Gangers:
Deck Guns 2 & 3:
Blue 13th (Black 13th):
Gatormen Posse:
Bog Trog Ambusher (Test Piece):
Still got way more to go, but I'm on a schedule here. :smallwink:
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I still love your scales on the gators. I wish I can do that scale stuff. Others are quite nice as well.
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Gruffard
I still love your scales on the gators. I wish I can do that scale stuff. Others are quite nice as well.
Thanks. :smallsmile:
I wish I could say that what I'm doing with the gators is complicated, but it's not. Sometimes you just hit on something that works.
The rest will have to be later...when I can get to a computer with Flash on it. :smallfurious:
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Looks nice Dsmiles. But they lack pupils, and the firstoneīs cloak highlight a quite extreme, which i donīt think works since the rest is normal layering.
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Gruffard
I still love your scales on the gators. I wish I can do that scale stuff. Others are quite nice as well.
Yes they look nice. And as Ds said himself it isnīt very hard. I think it is just something like:Greenspray, wash, drybrush?. And the back scales would be: Green, wash, extreme highlights.
It is always good to find a balance between time and detail, as you could pretty easyly end up using 3 times as much time on small improvements.
I use 30-45 minnutes on my gants.
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Ninjaman
Yes they look nice. And as Ds said himself it isnīt very hard. I think it is just something like:Greenspray, wash, drybrush?. And the back scales would be: Green, wash, extreme highlights.
Close. Underbellies are Rotting Flesh, Skull White drybrush, then Devlan Mud wash. The backs are Knarloc Green, Camo Green edge highlights, Devlan Mud wash. I've found that washing last gives the gators a dirtier, swampier look. The differences between the base colors and the highlight colors are enough that you can still pick it out after the wash.
As far as pupils go, most of the male models don't get 'em, since my fat fingers and shaky hands don't lend themselves well to doing it. I try to put irises on the females, just so that their eyes look bigger and prettier in comparison to the males. Sonnia's irises are indistinct due to the lighting. She has Ice Blue irises on Frostbite eyes, you could pick it out in normal lighting, but my camera is about 8 years old, and wasn't top of the line then. You should be able to pick out the irises on Fiona when I post her, they're green and stand out more from the whites.
I've got more on my photobucket page, but this stupid computer doesn't have Flash (and I'm not authorized to install anything), so I can't crop them and all that good stuff. They're just too huge to post here without editing.
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Originally Posted by
dsmiles
Close. Underbellies are Rotting Flesh, Skull White drybrush, then Devlan Mud wash. The backs are Knarloc Green, Camo Green edge highlights, Devlan Mud wash. I've found that washing last gives the gators a dirtier, swampier look. The differences between the base colors and the highlight colors are enough that you can still pick it out after the wash.
As far as pupils go, most of the male models don't get 'em, since my fat fingers and shaky hands don't lend themselves well to doing it. I try to put irises on the females, just so that their eyes look bigger and prettier in comparison to the males. Sonnia's irises are indistinct due to the lighting. She has Ice Blue irises on Frostbite eyes, you could pick it out in normal lighting, but my camera is about 8 years old, and wasn't top of the line then. You should be able to pick out the irises on Fiona when I post her, they're green and stand out more from the whites.
I've got more on my photobucket page, but this stupid computer doesn't have Flash (and I'm not authorized to install anything), so I can't crop them and all that good stuff. They're just too huge to post here without editing.
You need to practice pupils. That little dot make the model look twice as good. And shaky hands ainīt that big of a problem. Itīs just a single dot, and if you miss just paint it over and try again.
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Ninjaman
You need to practice pupils. That little dot make the model look twice as good. And shaky hands ainīt that big of a problem. Itīs just a single dot, and if you miss just paint it over and try again.
I have trouble painting eyes too, and I find that painting around a pupil is a lot easier than starting over from scratch. The same thing goes for eyelids.
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Turcano
I have trouble painting eyes too, and I find that painting around a pupil is a lot easier than starting over from scratch. The same thing goes for eyelids.
That depends.
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Ninjaman
That depends.
If you have lots of brush options, or really steady hands you might be able to paint minis lots of ways, but some techniques are just easier for some people. If you can find a technique that works for you, stick with it.
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A fine felt-tip pen could work.
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I seem to recall that somewhere in one of these threads it was remarked that Krylon-brand varnish was actually sort of decent.
Could the same be said of their plastic primer? It's probably designed for plastic deck furniture and stuff, but it should be fine for plastic models, no?