Holy mother of god what has science/ectobiology done?!?!?!?!?!!?
Oh lord all mighty this is going to be good!
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Holy mother of god what has science/ectobiology done?!?!?!?!?!!?
Oh lord all mighty this is going to be good!
VriskaXTavros
TOGETHER FOREVER!
Wait a minute? How are they to defeat gamzee if he goes on a rampage?
They where only able to defeat him by either calming him down or kicking him in the bone bulge.
But now with that MAGNIFICENT codpiece he is truly indestructible!
...wow.
That's...
Wow.
I'm speechless. There's no possible way this can end well. Like, at all.
No.
Just no.
**** this.
I could even handle Vriska dying, my entire reason for bothering to read the comic, but this.
No.
Just... **** this.
No.
I'm going back to my fanon where John pulled Vriska out of the dream bubble with insane mangrit and proceeded to kill English with the POWER OF LOVE, and be good forever. No. Let me have this. Don't question it. It's a good place where Nepeta never died, where Gamzee was killed, again and again and again. And was sentenced to double dream bubble hell in the horrific tendrils of the Other Terrors.
Seriously though, **** Gamzee.
So Vriska deserves forgiveness (Even though she only felt bad and didn't actualy do anything about it) and Gamzee doesn't?Quote:
Seriously though, **** Gamzee.
Also, I find this a very fitting punishment for Vriska- Merged with the guy she tortured for years and then killed.
Awesome.
Gamzee.
Gamzee.
Gamzee.
I ****ing love you SO MUCH.
He just looks so happy!
Am I the only one who found this update absolutely hilarious?
Jane makes the best faces, she even surpasses Karkat in that regard.
I guess my feelings depend on whether or not they're merged into a single being, or end up as some two headed abomination where each head retains the personality and memories of the originals.
Kind of hoping for the two headed abomination. I rather liked Tavros and Vriska. (I still like Gamzee.)
This is the best prototyping ever
And it's only going to get even better from here
Correction, Gamzee was a multiple serial killer by choice.
Vriska's murders were instrumented by a forced choice between being culled by her lusus, Royal drones for not having a lusus if she won the hypothetical fight between her and a starving spider mom, and culling some random ****s she didn't care about. She was coerced by sociological standard into believing she also HAD to kill, that everything in her life was supposed to be about how strong she was AND SHE STATES AS MUCH. She didn't enjoy the killing, and did it because on Alternia. It was expected of a STRONG troll to behave as such. Culture, society, and the influence of Terezi's own motives (Who was just as much a part of the early cullings as she was.) who implied to her that not only was this expected of Trolls, but it was the law of Alternia that they were enacting at it's finest.
Her ONE by choice murder is Tavros, who I honestly hate, but the dude made his choice in the end to come and attack her with the intent of killing her. What she does from there, not her fault, can't be expected to think clearly with a lance come at your face. Sure she could've flown away but it's a fight or flight reaction that was pure Angeraline. It had biological incentive to prevent her from running away thanks to Trolls lacking that flight response, and she would've had to deal with Tavros hunting her the entire time even if she did run away. Self defense is a perfectly viable excuse in this case, sure she did some **** in the past to him, but that's what a black troll quadrant kinda means, Tavros was just so pathetic that he wouldn't try to return the favor till the end.
Tavros's legs being broken is also clearly not a problem with the ease of replacing of limbs. It took Equius less time than it took for Tavros to take a nap, him beyond the initial encounter, was keeping his handicap as a choice. Yes, I said that.
Gamzee in the meanwhile is a flat out multiple serial killer, and a necrophile who was never coerced, never had any justification for anything he did ever aside from PURE DESIRE TO KILL. No one was ever fighting him except for Nepeta and that was AFTER he killed someone who refused to fight back.
There is no justification, there is no reasoning behind equating Vriska = Gamzee, and frankly I'm at the point where I will say that anyone who thinks otherwise is in need of some serious reevaluation of their morals and priorities.
...Gamzee had no justification?
Uh, no.
Vriska was a mass serial killer because here lusus was horrible. Cool. Feferi's lusus was worse than Vriska's in that regard by a long shot, and she turned out right. "Boohoo, Vriska's mum sucked!" is not an excuse for her behaviour.
Gamzee, meanwhile, went insane because 1) he'd completely lost faith in his religion, 2) found the corpse of someone he was in love with and 3) in built genetic predilection to being a murder.
He had less control of his actions than Vriska did.
Gamzee was insane before he found Tavros's corpse. (He found the corpse at the same time he found Terezi. Which was good point in the time line post his initial insanity breakdown with Karkat.)
He was a horrific drug addict who's desire to kill was only ever held back by the same drugs he did. It is heavily stated throughout the entire story that Gamzee without Sopor slime would've killed them all as far back as Alternia. Kinda the point of the whole HONK HONK, BR8K H34DS, thing.
Before 2/3rds of the things you mentioned would've ever come into the equation. It's not just word of god, it's an actual timeline that happened.
Please get your time line in order.
There is no evidence for that, Fan.
The timeline is fluid, in all cases, but he didn't really go insane until AFTER Tavros was killed.
No.. The Book that Scratch has is a Scrap book made by Gamzee in an alternate pre game timeline where he KILLS EVERYONE. Including Tavros.
This is something that influences the story directly and repeatedly.
There is no evidence, no justification that is not proven to be irrelevant by the comic itself for Gamzee.
And there was an alternate timeline in which Terezi killed John.
I don't see why alternate timelines have bearing on the characters as they are now.
I kinda count that timeline too. She still did it, and would've kept doing it consistently if Dave hadn't ****ed with the timeline.
And honestly, that response is a cop out. "Oh, that thing that happened in the story, and directly affected the Alpha Timeline totally doesn't matter because A TIME TRAVELER HAD TO GO BACK IN TIME TO STOP THE PERSON.".
They have a bearing because these are things they would've done IF NOT STOPPED. If not controlled by outside conditions, in fact. If anything those actions count MORE, because they more accurately represent how people are without external influence.
Gamzee is a murderer, which I'm not trying to dispute.
Thing is, we're trying to judge a culture in which murder is the social norm.
Vriska was a worse murderer than Gamzee, and probably would have been, even if her lusus wasn't a massive douche, and Equius would have been worse than either if he didn't have Nepeta to keep him in line.
I can understand you disliking Gamzee, and that's cool. But you can't give Vriska a moral high ground on this. Both of them were unrepentant murderers, both of them killed people, and Vriska was in a better situation than Feferi's and yet Feferi wasn't a mass murderer.
Gamzee was serial killer by past:
He was destined to go insane due too past history of his ancestor. Without the effects of his bloodline he was a nice guy. And once Karkat calmed his mad blood (Possibly due to his powers as ______ of blood) he became a nice guy again.
Vriska had a tough life, She was forced to kill to sate her Lesus, yet her sadism is purely hers.
She was destined to fall in love with Tavros due to her falling in love with him in the past. Yet she was destined to hate him in the present.
As a result, she wanted to change him to fit her tendencies better. Yet her sadistic side got the better of her. She crippled him (Which would likely have killed him in adult life). Her crippling him is conter intuitive to making him stronger. So giving up on the idea she tortured him.
If you can forgive Vriska (Whos sadism is truly her own), you can forgive Gamzee who was forced into the situation due too genetics.
Vriska had a direct forced reason to, her Lusus by demand forced her to feed trolls to it. Those murders, cannot count, they were a necessity of survival. Without those, she wouldn't have survived, and I can't fault someone for doing what they need to to keep themselves alive at all costs. So she made a game of it, everyone has their coping mechanisms, and honestly it was the only way for her to get enough food in a short enough period for her to provide for her own survival. How would she have acted without this lusus? We have no proof to say she would've still killed, and given her last conversation with John. I doubt she would have. Her sadism is QUITE CLEARLY a front by her last conversations with John. She puts up with that society because it is do or die. With her own choices put into the works, AS SHE SAYS, she wouldn't have minded being weak, or even Human. She is envious of those who can live without hatred being the driving motive of their life. That alone tells me that sadism isn't at her heart.
Terezi has no excuse, she's just an unrepentant murderer who did so because she believed herself morally and divinely superior.
Gamzee on the other hand has actual proof in comic that he was only ever kept in check by Sopor, and was in fact, a homicidal clown murdering ******* at all points in the timeline. Special Stardust is made from Troll Bones, how the hell do you think he procured it? The existence of the book. Everything points to him being a mass murdering psychopath at all points in timeline barely restrained by super drugs.
I'm just going to stop this discussion here.
We're not going to see eye to eye with this.
So yeah, you hate Gamzee, I'll hate Vriska, and just chill out about it.
Im not faulting her for feeding her Lesus. Im faulting her for sadisticaly torturing tavros, Killing aradia (For some light nuisances).
Sadism as a font doesn't work. Since she is still a sadist. Murdering people as a font is still murdering people. Being a jackass. Thats a forgive-able front. Sadism (Which I don't think was a front) is still sadism. Im not sure how you can front "sadism". She can regret being a sadist, yet she still is one.
Yet actions speek louder then words.
After almost directly dooming the her friends and everybody else on the meteor (Due to her smugness and self assuredness) she then proceeds to CONTINUE to **** everything up. Her going to confront jack would have COMPLETELY doomed all hope, yet she does it anyway.
Terezi is also insane, but she believes in punishment of the guilty. So she killed John because she believed he was guilty for dooming her friends. Once that was sorted out she was pretty cool. Shes crazy, but fun.
Aradia also tortured her with ghosts, kinda the damning evidence that proves she regrets everything she does that it torments her so badly.
And then Aradia beat her to death later to get back at her, and would've let her bleed to death. A good deal more painful than an explosion.
And honestly, she could've beaten Jack. It's a stated thing in story.
A Universe or two is kinda worth a few trolls in my opinion. You know, it's just possible quintillions of life forms, the prevention of Lord English.. everyone he ever kills including Hussie himself.
I'd say that's a pretty fair trade.
Admittedly it could've been done better, but her self assuredness was backed up by the ability to do the deed.
Hussie
no
what are you doing
no
People murdered by choice:
Vriska: 1, and she regrets it.
Gamzee: 2, shows no remorse ever and doesn't seem to realise he did a bad thing.
Yes she was. She just murdered Lusii with Eridan's help rather than trolls.Quote:
Vriska was in a better situation than Feferi's and yet Feferi wasn't a mass murderer.
(Of course, orphaned trolls are culled when caught, so the difference is largely theoretical.)
So one of the other sprites will be strongly cute, and other combo is so horrifying I don't want to think about it.
Bugged her is the word. We see them swarming around, making noise. Im not sure how its proof of her being caring.
As a Ghost in a messed up robot body (With Blue blood) AFTER she killed her.Quote:
And then Aradia beat her to death later to get back at her,
I think its time we let this go.:smallsigh:Quote:
A good deal more painful than an explosion.
@Fan You are entitled to your own view of Vriska, but keep in mind, she coerced Tavros to that fight - she made him attack her. Calling it self defense is also inacurate, since she disarmed him and only then impaled him on his own lance. Being pathetic is not an excuse for murder.
Also: Tavros got paralysed from that fall, because he got lucky - he could die just as well. Being able to get prostetics doesn't diminish the paralysis problem and he waited some years to even get those.
Also, also: I don't hate Vriska - she's an interesting character. At the same I don't have the urge to repaint all her deeds as misunderstandings or being "forced by the society".
Also, also, also: yes, most trolls are murderous, insane and megalomaniac - that is not an excuse as well.