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Re: Naruto V: Eye See Your Sharingan and Raise You a Rinnegan
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Xondoure
Right. Incredibly strong smells might make it harder to smell other things but it isn't damaging. And farts are not strong enough to cause that sort of reaction. Dogs spend a lot of time sniffing other dogs butts.
Farts can be rank enough to make MY eyes burn, and me choke on the stench. I cant even imagine what would happen if my nose was 5x more sensitive. Why dont doggy noses explode in rank smells? I dunno, but its probably similar to why they dont see the same colors we do. A human nose that is 5x stronger than normal would process smells differently than a bloodhound would. So who is to say they wouldnt be brutally overwhelmed by what we already consider to be strong and noxious odors?
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Re: Naruto V: Eye See Your Sharingan and Raise You a Rinnegan
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Xondoure
Right. Incredibly strong smells might make it harder to smell other things but it isn't damaging. And farts are not strong enough to cause that sort of reaction. Dogs spend a lot of time sniffing other dogs butts.
See, the thing here is that you're thinking of how dogs smell. Not how humans would smell if their sense of smell was amplified to be as strong as a dog's. By this I am not saying that they'd replace their normal, human sense of smell with a dog's, just that their sense of smell would be much stronger. That is what Kiba has, and since humans can have strong reactions to farts (not all farts and not all humans of course), the reaction would likely be also likewise amplified.
Dogs are used to smelling butts. Humans aren't. And certainly not while their sense of smell is amplified.
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Morph Bark
See, the thing here is that you're thinking of how dogs smell. Not how humans would smell if their sense of smell was amplified to be as strong as a dog's. By this I am not saying that they'd replace their normal, human sense of smell with a dog's, just that their sense of smell would be much stronger. That is what Kiba has, and since humans can have strong reactions to farts (not all farts and not all humans of course), the reaction would likely be also likewise amplified.
Dogs are used to smelling butts. Humans aren't. And certainly not while their sense of smell is amplified.
See when I look at the clan with it's dynamic marking abilities and shapeshifting into canine abilities, I'm pretty sold on the fact that Kiba's abilities are all dog like, and not necessarily human. Even so, a human with amplified smelling probably still wouldn't have that reaction. For one, he wouldn't instantly smell it since that requires breathing in. And secondly, as has been mentioned, overloading the olfactory senses is very different than bursting ear drums or blinding someone. The smell has to be very strong. Farts don't cut it.
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Re: Naruto V: Eye See Your Sharingan and Raise You a Rinnegan
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Xondoure
See when I look at the clan with it's dynamic marking abilities and shapeshifting into canine abilities, I'm pretty sold on the fact that Kiba's abilities are all dog like, and not necessarily human. Even so, a human with amplified smelling probably still wouldn't have that reaction. For one, he wouldn't instantly smell it since that requires breathing in. And secondly, as has been mentioned, overloading the olfactory senses is very different than bursting ear drums or blinding someone. The smell has to be very strong. Farts don't cut it.
When I look at the inuzaka, I see them being able to alter themselves to look more feral, not turning into dogs. Their teeth get longer and sharper, so do their nails, and I think their hair gets wilder. They dont grow tails, or fur, or even start to speak in bow wows. If anything, they tend to turn their dogs into feral looking humans. They have that one big attack where they become a two headed wolf sure, but that doesnt mean they have literal dog abilities anymore than gamabunta is growing a fur coat because naruto turned him into the kyuubi once.
They dont have dog noses transplanted onto them, they have human noses that are as sensitive as a dogs, (give or take, I dont know if they ever quantified it exactly) and if we can be made ill off a smell without a boosted sense, I dont see the problem in a highly boosted human nose feeling like its on fire when it smells something awful.
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It was a bad joke, and the fact that a Fart ended the fight should be looked down upon as an immature solution to a fight the character shouldn't have won otherwise.
Fart humor was never funny, and that's all it was.
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Fan
It was a bad joke, and the fact that a Fart ended the fight should be looked down upon as an immature solution to a fight the character shouldn't have won otherwise.
Fart humor was never funny, and that's all it was.
Ya, sadly for you there's quite a few people who disagree with you. Scatological humor has been a mainstay of the species humor since we could string sentences together. We've found fart jokes in the ruins of Pompey. Something doesn't continue as long as far and crap jokes unless people find them funny. You may not find them funny but hey...your opinion and all that.
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Fan
It was a bad joke, and the fact that a Fart ended the fight should be looked down upon as an immature solution to a fight the character shouldn't have won otherwise.
Fart humor was never funny, and that's all it was.
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Tebryn
Ya, sadly for you there's quite a few people who disagree with you. Scatological humor has been a mainstay of the species humor since we could string sentences together. We've found fart jokes in the ruins of Pompey. Something doesn't continue as long as far and crap jokes unless people find them funny. You may not find them funny but hey...your opinion and all that.
Louis C.K. once explained why fart jokes are funny. It boiled down to:
1. It comes out of your ass.
2. It smells like poop because that's where it's been.
3. It makes a little trumpet noise.
Really, I don't think there's anything wrong with finding fart jokes funny. It's just a silly bodily function.
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Tebryn
Ya, sadly for you there's quite a few people who disagree with you. Scatological humor has been a mainstay of the species humor since we could string sentences together. We've found fart jokes in the ruins of Pompey. Something doesn't continue as long as far and crap jokes unless people find them funny. You may not find them funny but hey...your opinion and all that.
I disagree. It is something only the immature find funny, because the "funny" is based on nothing more than the taboo nature of the subject. There is nothing intelligent or thought provoking about that kind of humor.
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[QUOTE=Tebryn;14155497]Ya, sadly for you there's quite a few people who disagree with you. Scatological humor has been a mainstay of the species humor since we could string sentences together. We've found fart jokes in the ruins of Pompey. snipQUOTE]
that would explain why they didn't run away from the exploding volcano :smallamused:
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Drolyt
I disagree. It is something only the immature find funny, because the "funny" is based on nothing more than the taboo nature of the subject. There is nothing intelligent or thought provoking about that kind of humor.
That reason only works in societies where farts are of a taboo nature though.
Humor is very culturally subjective. For instance, nowadays a lot of people find puns lame, whereas a century or two-three-four ago they were regarded as being near the pinnacle of humor.
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Drolyt
I disagree. It is something only the immature find funny, because the "funny" is based on nothing more than the taboo nature of the subject. There is nothing intelligent or thought provoking about that kind of humor.
And Naruto was an anime written for high brow intellectuals that are in their mid 40s or older?
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Traab
And Naruto was an anime written for high brow intellectuals that are in their mid 40s or older?
Traab vs. Drolyt: 1-0
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Yeah...Naruto has more then just the fart jokes when it comes to immature humor. I mean, just look at the recent Obito flashbacks. There was multiple poop jokes. MULTIPLE POOP JOKES. This manga was obviously created with an audience much younger then much of the playground in mind and to that audience what some here believe to me "immature" would probably be quite funny.
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Giegue
Yeah...Naruto has more then just the fart jokes when it comes to immature humor. I mean, just look at the recent Obito flashbacks. There was multiple poop jokes. MULTIPLE POOP JOKES. This manga was obviously created with a audience much younger then much of the playground in mind and to that audience what some here believe to me "immature" would probably be quite funny.
It is called shounen for a reason.
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Are we really discussing that fart joke from the like... second arc for two pages? And that's because Kishi skips a week? What will happen to this threat when the story ever ends? Will we go on and on about... about...
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No, I think fart jokes is as low as it can get. Excuse me.
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Re: Naruto V: Eye See Your Sharingan and Raise You a Rinnegan
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Drolyt
I disagree. It is something only the immature find funny, because the "funny" is based on nothing more than the taboo nature of the subject. There is nothing intelligent or thought provoking about that kind of humor.
Nonsense. Even toilet humor can be well-crafted. Louie's second season premier did a marvelous job using the entire episode to set up a fart joke worked wonderfully. Not the least of which because the episode set you up to expect something much worse.
Maturity isn't a factor. If farts can't be funny, then you're just not being creative. Not that Kishi was being creative, but there you are.
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VanBuren
Nonsense. Even toilet humor can be well-crafted. Louie's second season premier did a marvelous job using the entire episode to set up a fart joke worked wonderfully. Not the least of which because the episode set you up to expect something much worse.
Maturity isn't a factor. If farts can't be funny, then you're just not being creative. Not that Kishi was being creative, but there you are.
I don't really disagree with you here. The thing is, the only "funny" thing about the joke was the fart. It wasn't well crafted or creative. To find just that funny is immature.
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We've gone from "Madara Uchiha: The Ninja Your Ninja Could Be Like" to Farts.
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I tried asking this question to a friend in real life, so I'll ask it again here: with the complete assistance of Kurama, will Naruto be able to defeat Sauceboss since his aquisition of the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan?
Also, how will a completely unbound Kurama fair in the Leaf Village once the War is over?
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INoKnowNames
I tried asking this question to a friend in real life, so I'll ask it again here: with the complete assistance of Kurama, will Naruto be able to defeat Sauceboss since his aquisition of the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan?
Well, he at least shouldn't have to worry about genjutsu with Kurama countering it the way 8-tails does for Bee. That's the one straight up trump card that would formerly have been an instant win for one side.
With that out of the way, both sides have attacks and defenses of such ridiculous magnitude that it's really up to author fiat which attack beats which defense.
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Drolyt
I don't really disagree with you here. The thing is, the only "funny" thing about the joke was the fart. It wasn't well crafted or creative. To find just that funny is immature.
According to you, anyway. On the other hand, I'd argue that trying to categorize the maturity level of a person based on what amuses them isn't terribly mature either.
Some people find farts funny, others don't. I don't think you can really draw anything more substantial out of it than that.
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INoKnowNames
Also, how will a completely unbound Kurama fair in the Leaf Village once the War is over?
It's ok, Naruto and Kurama brofisted they HAVE to be ok with it.
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LaZodiac
It's ok, Naruto and Kurama brofisted they HAVE to be ok with it.
I'd say after Kurama helps to stop the ninja world war the villagers should be fine... but since this is the village that shunned it's heroes son because he was burdened with imprisoning the evil that nearly destroyed their village they might as well decide to kill half their war heroes afterwards.
But really I don't think Kurama will live in the village. He's just too big. I guess the tailed beasts will just... I don't know. Migrate to some place far away from humanity. Or die.
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Kato
I'd say after Kurama helps to stop the ninja world war the villagers should be fine... but since this is the village that shunned it's heroes son because he was burdened with imprisoning the evil that nearly destroyed their village they might as well decide to kill half their war heroes afterwards.
But really I don't think Kurama will live in the village. He's just too big. I guess the tailed beasts will just... I don't know. Migrate to some place far away from humanity. Or die.
Well, lets be honest. If Naruto doesn't become Hokage, he becomes a sage like Jirayia and just travels around. The entire world will be his home, and I imagine that's big enough for Kurama.
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LaZodiac
Well, lets be honest. If Naruto doesn't become Hokage, he becomes a sage like Jirayia and just travels around. The entire world will be his home, and I imagine that's big enough for Kurama.
I would actally prefer that to him becoming hokage...
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Socratov
I would actally prefer that to him becoming hokage...
I wouldnt. That was his goal. Day 1, being hokage was his goal. Day 100 it was his goal. Day 1000 it was still his goal. To have him be the grand victor, the big badass who saves the world, then say, "See ya guys, im goin wanderin!" just would strike me as wrong. Dont get me wrong, I see a thousand and one ways that could be the end result, I just would like that whole grand happy ending.
Unfortunately, I have the sinking feeling we wont get it. In order to end up that way we would need the full return of the king treatment, which means hinata or SOMEONE would have to be the acknowledged partner of naruto, so we could have the grand wedding, the grand crowning of the kage hat, the cheering crowds, the triumphant speech, and fade to black. But naruto has no partner, he got his triumph with the end of the pein arc right? I mean, the full on cheering, everybody loves him acknowledgement he had been after all his life? While im sure there will be some big ceremony, possibly even one where the hat gets offered to him, I bet naruto will turn it down and proclaim that he has achieved his goals, and instead of being kage, he will wander the world solving problems and promoting peace, or some such thing. Possibly with kurama next to him. He will be kwai chang kane with a fox.
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At this point, I wouldn't mind if Naruto no longer became Hokage. Yes, it's been his lifelong goal, but why? It was to get recognition from others and be respected, later on to protect the village as well. I think after all of this Naruto will be getting recognition and respect from everyone in all the five major countries (plus the Land of Iron, and of course the Land of Waves), so he might not feel like he needs the position anymore. Plus the greatest threat has been taken out, so the village is in less need of protection, at least for a little while until squabbling arises between countries again. Being a travelling sage might befit his idea of protection better, or he may be inclined to take up the path out of respect for his mentor.
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He might just become Kage, as ruler of the united ninja world. :smalltongue:
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VanBuren
Some people find farts funny, others don't. I don't think you can really draw anything more substantial out of it than that.
You just aren't trying hard enough.
Seriously though, would you find it odd if a grown adult liked Sesame Street and watched it every day? If so, why? If not, why not? Besides, it is observational fact that younger people find scatological humor funnier. There are other possible explanations for that, but I find it likely that it is simply a matter of maturity.
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Drolyt
You just aren't trying hard enough.
Seriously though, would you find it odd if a grown adult liked Sesame Street and watched it every day? If so, why? If not, why not? Besides, it is observational fact that younger people find scatological humor funnier. There are other possible explanations for that, but I find it likely that it is simply a matter of maturity.
Maturity isn't a sliding scale. You don't become "Mature" at a certain age. People are immature about things and mature about other things. You don't find scatological humor funny. That's cool. Calling people who find it funny children isn't just presumptuous but insulting. Anderson Cooper laughed at a fart joke on air to the point he couldn't do his show for a few mintues. Do you consider Anderson Cooper, one of the most recognized American News Anchors of our age, as a child? Not to mention Observational Fact also shows that full grown adults find scatological humor funny. Chaucer, considered widely as one of the greatest English Authors of all time, had more than a few fart jokes in his Canterbury Tales. Is that book somehow -less- because of it? What you "simply find" to be a matter of what ever has no baring on anything at all. Do you know Le Petomane? I'd look him up.
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Tebryn
Maturity isn't a sliding scale. You don't become "Mature" at a certain age. People are immature about things and mature about other things. You don't find scatological humor funny. That's cool.
Nothing to disagree with so far.
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Calling people who find it funny children isn't just presumptuous but insulting.
I don't recall ever doing this. There is a difference between saying something is immature and saying it is wrong to like something immature. I read Naruto don't I?
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Anderson Cooper laughed at a fart joke on air to the point he couldn't do his show for a few mintues. Do you consider Anderson Cooper, one of the most recognized American News Anchors of our age, as a child? Not to mention Observational Fact also shows that full grown adults find scatological humor funny. Chaucer, considered widely as one of the greatest English Authors of all time, had more than a few fart jokes in his Canterbury Tales. Is that book somehow -less- because of it? What you "simply find" to be a matter of what ever has no baring on anything at all. Do you know Le Petomane? I'd look him up.
I still don't recall where I said that anyone who laughs at a fart joke is a child? Was it the Sesame Street example? I was simply offering a counterpoint to the claim that someones interests have no bearing on their maturity, I wasn't trying to say that there is something wrong with someone who enjoys scatological humor. I still maintain it is immature, but I'm not sure this conversation is going anywhere.
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Drolyt
You just aren't trying hard enough.
Seriously though, would you find it odd if a grown adult liked Sesame Street and watched it every day? If so, why? If not, why not? Besides, it is observational fact that younger people find scatological humor funnier. There are other possible explanations for that, but I find it likely that it is simply a matter of maturity.
Also keep in mind humour is very much also a cultural thing. In Japan it might be that scatalogical humour is more of an ageless thing than the way it is commonly considered in America.
Then again, there's stuff like Family Guy and South Park, so yeah.
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Morph Bark
Also keep in mind humour is very much also a cultural thing. In Japan it might be that scatalogical humour is more of an ageless thing than the way it is commonly considered in America.
Then again, there's stuff like Family Guy and South Park, so yeah.
Replace every instance of "Scatological" with "Fart jokes", and realize how this sounds.
Scatological still sounds disgusting by the way.
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INoKnowNames
I tried asking this question to a friend in real life, so I'll ask it again here: with the complete assistance of Kurama, will Naruto be able to defeat Sauceboss since his aquisition of the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan?
Yes. If that's where the arc is going. I suspect not though.
Honestly aside from probably showing up with the plot-no-jutsu to stop Godara is there anything for Sasuke to do. His own arc is just kinda irrelevant and has been for awhile you ask me.
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Also, how will a completely unbound Kurama fair in the Leaf Village once the War is over?
I don't know if completely unbound is the right way to say it, Naruto is basically in control, he's better for Kurama's cooperation, but Kurama is also basically under Naruto's full control or at least containment. Unless I missed something in the middle, but the fox is still in Naruto.
And given that they are going to be in need of a new Hokage there's probably not going to be anyone to do anything about it anyways. Naruto's already pretty much the most powerful guy in the Leaf anyways, probably since mastering Sage mode.
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Soras Teva Gee
Yes. If that's where the arc is going. I suspect not though.
Honestly aside from probably showing up with the plot-no-jutsu to stop Godara is there anything for Sasuke to do. His own arc is just kinda irrelevant and has been for awhile you ask me.
I don't know if completely unbound is the right way to say it, Naruto is basically in control, he's better for Kurama's cooperation, but Kurama is also basically under Naruto's full control or at least containment. Unless I missed something in the middle, but the fox is still in Naruto.
And given that they are going to be in need of a new Hokage there's probably not going to be anyone to do anything about it anyways. Naruto's already pretty much the most powerful guy in the Leaf anyways, probably since mastering Sage mode.
Depending on how this resolves, Kakashi would probably be the canidate of choice after Tsunade dies. We know that he kinda maintains the same league as Naruto, but he has the experience, connections, and background to be the next Kage. Especially considering he almost was the Hokage.
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Madara
Depending on how this resolves, Kakashi would probably be the canidate of choice after Tsunade dies. We know that he kinda maintains the same league as Naruto, but he has the experience, connections, and background to be the next Kage. Especially considering he almost was the Hokage.
True, Naruto may be the ultimate super badass, but he isnt even 20 yet right? Its hard to take an 18 year old seriously as a leader of one of the elemental nations superpowers, no matter how much ass he can kick in a fight. Being kage level in combat ability isnt the only thing that matters. You have to show you have the capability to NOT drive your village into the ground inside of a month because you are a total moron when it comes to politics, economics, and all the thousand and one details that make up keeping your village from grinding to a halt. What capability has naruto ever shown in those areas? Has he even ever been a squad leader yet? I know his mission record is freaking ludicrous, but has he ever actually been in charge?
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Traab
I know his mission record is freaking ludicrous, but has he ever actually been in charge?
Nope!
But wait!
IT GETS EVEN WORSE.
He is still a Genin.
that and Naruto knows pretty much nothing outside of combat. taking down demons, high level ninjas and threats to the world? got that down.
anything freaking else? useless.
Naruto for Hokage, is like electing the Hulk to run for President.
But then again….
Garra. same age. formerly haunted by demon and former sociopathic murderer. still kinda of an insomniac. seems to be doing fine as Kazekage.
but on the other hand… Garra is sensible.
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Gaara also had time growing up to learn how his father did things running the village, despite needing to watch it mostly from a distance due to his father's fear of him.
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Speaking of garra, I just have to wonder about something that made no sense to me. How the hell could the assassins have failed to kill child garra? Did they REALLY have noone in suna capable of moving FAST in the ninja corp? Or otherwise capable of unleashing an overwhelmingly powerful ninjutsu attack? His sand can be broken through, we see it happen, alot. Rock lee is able to punch and kick through it. Sasuke is able to shove his lightning encrusted fist through, not the usual sand shield, but that ultra strong barrier he had setup so he could transform. Kimmimaru was able to shrug off his sand burial technique, and muscle his way out of the sand coffin. Was there really no ninja in the kazekages command that could do this stuff?
I could understand the first couple failing due to trying stuff like thrown kunai or whatever, but after seeing how it automatically protects him, did it ever occur to the kazekage to send an observer to watch and look for weaknesses like, "Oh, it takes .14 seconds to react to an incoming threat. It never moves faster than that. If we attack faster then we could bypass it." "Oh, his sand shield clearly bowed outwards from the impact of those exploding tags. If we can deliver 2-3x as much force, it should penetrate the barrier and kill him." That sort of thing. Gah, its just so stupid. Child garra had no real ninja training, all he had was his sand, which has weaknesses like anything else. A skilled jounin should have been able to tear his head off before his sand knew to react.
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Didn't the 4th Kazekage ordered to seal teh Ichibi in Gaara because the Daimyo of the land of wind was cutting funds for the village? That could mean that Suna's ninja were on decline. And if the fourth was smart, he wouldn't send his top ninja after Gaara after the Yashamaru's fiasco.
Besides the time we see Gaara's sand being bypassed were:
a)by Rock Lee who was moving fast enough that Kakashi needed the Sharingan to keep up with him
b) By Sasuke who was moving at Lee's speed and used a Lighting based technique (which is strong against earth based techniques) and designed to pierce stuff.
c)Kimimaro had to use his curse seal (state 1) and make a bone armour below his skin to counter the normal sand burial and he had to go Curse seal level 2 for the Imperial sand burial. And we know Kimimaro's seal was one of the most powerful ones.
So it does makes sense no one could harm Gaara, he sand defence is just that good.
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Perhaps they could indeed have killed Gaara, but it would have required techniques that would escalate the fight to cause massive collateral damage. Gaara was living in the village, after all. For the above examples, Lee was unable to defeat Gaara, and Sasuke managed to wound him once with his best attack. I don't remember Kimimaro's fight, was he able to actually damage Gaara?
Gaara's sand have been shown to be fast enough for Amaterasu, so I think it's supposed to be pretty darn fast.
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Morph Bark
Gaara also had time growing up to learn how his father did things running the village, despite needing to watch it mostly from a distance due to his father's fear of him.
in fact I think Gaara might be a better leader than all of the other Kages.
GAARA FOR NINJA KING! no wait thats wrong. GAARA FOR OMNIKAGE!
the world needs a new leader! don't trust in a gambler, or a revenge driven warrior! nor should you put your trust in an old midget past his prime! put your trust in GAARA, a new face for the ninja world for a new age!
remember his campaign slogan "I hate you all."
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Lord Raziere
in fact I think Gaara might be a better leader than all of the other Kages.
GAARA FOR NINJA KING! no wait thats wrong. GAARA FOR OMNIKAGE!
the world needs a new leader! don't trust in a gambler, or a revenge driven warrior! nor should you put your trust in an old midget past his prime! put your trust in GAARA, a new face for the ninja world for a new age!
remember his campaign slogan "I hate you all."
So what's the reason for not trusting the Mizukage? :smalltongue:
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I don't know….do we know anything about the Mizukage?
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Morph Bark
So what's the reason for not trusting the Mizukage? :smalltongue:
Her age. Clearly.
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Neither should you trust an old pervert!
Do you want these superpowerful dysfunctional kages ruling the ninja world? I don't think so!
GAARA FOR OMNIKAGE! LEADERSHIP THAT WILL LAST- AND GROW UP!
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Socratov
her being a perv?
Oh sure we can have a perverted sage; but a Kage? No that is unacceptable.
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Dusk Eclipse
Oh sure we can have a perverted sage; but a Kage? No that is unacceptable.
she may be perverted all she likes, but that doesn't mean I trust her. For the record, neither do I trust a perverted sage. He just got helped by a couple of trustworthy toads who at some point vouched for him. :smallwink::smalltongue:
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Dusk Eclipse
Didn't the 4th Kazekage ordered to seal teh Ichibi in Gaara because the Daimyo of the land of wind was cutting funds for the village? That could mean that Suna's ninja were on decline. And if the fourth was smart, he wouldn't send his top ninja after Gaara after the Yashamaru's fiasco.
Besides the time we see Gaara's sand being bypassed were:
a)by Rock Lee who was moving fast enough that Kakashi needed the Sharingan to keep up with him
b) By Sasuke who was moving at Lee's speed and used a Lighting based technique (which is strong against earth based techniques) and designed to pierce stuff.
c)Kimimaro had to use his curse seal (state 1) and make a bone armour below his skin to counter the normal sand burial and he had to go Curse seal level 2 for the Imperial sand burial. And we know Kimimaro's seal was one of the most powerful ones.
So it does makes sense no one could harm Gaara, he sand defence is just that good.
a) If rock lee was able to out run the sand as a genin, and he is way weaker than his sensei, then gai would have fought like this.
Garra: "You will feed mother!" /blinks, /dissolves into a bloody mist
Gai: "And thats why I wear youthful jumpsuits! Easier to launder after I make my unyouthful opponents explode with pure speed and FLAMES OF YOUUUUUTH!"
Point being, a genin was able to get fast enough to bypass garras sand.
b) Yes, and once again, a genin was able to bypass the sand. Had it been kakashi in that fight, his arm would have been red with garras blood up to the shoulder. Jounin by all definitions of the word should be both faster and stronger, so, why arent any of the sand nins?
c) All true, but not my point. I was just listing all the times that garra, a ninja trained garra, got his sand overcome and defeated in battle. A 6 year old garra should have died easy. The kimmi fight showcased a much more powerful than before garra, with a great deal of control over himself and his sand, and he was nearly helpless against kimmimaru, only kimmi dying of his illness stopped him from stabbing garra through the eyeball with a lance made of bone.
My point is, there are plenty of ways to get past garras sand, many of which dont involve liquidating an entire neighborhood with collateral damage. (That only happens if you take too long) And we see all these things happen after garra is ninja trained, and all except kimmimaru, done by GENIN. Even naruto was able to blast the crap out of garras sand demon form with an exploding note to the butt crack. I mostly ignore that fight since naruto won by kage level reserves, not skill, but there were a few bits that showed yet another genin standing up to garra and putting up a fight. Having an assassin after garra before he gets any ninja training or learns to control his sand? He should be dead.
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Traab
a) If rock lee was able to out run the sand as a genin, and he is way weaker than his sensei, then gai would have fought like this.
Garra: "You will feed mother!" /blinks, /dissolves into a bloody mist
Gai: "And thats why I wear youthful jumpsuits! Easier to launder after I make my unyouthful opponents explode with pure speed and FLAMES OF YOUUUUUTH!"
Point being, a genin was able to get fast enough to bypass garras sand.
b) Yes, and once again, a genin was able to bypass the sand. Had it been kakashi in that fight, his arm would have been red with garras blood up to the shoulder. Jounin by all definitions of the word should be both faster and stronger, so, why arent any of the sand nins?
c) All true, but not my point. I was just listing all the times that garra, a ninja trained garra, got his sand overcome and defeated in battle. A 6 year old garra should have died easy. The kimmi fight showcased a much more powerful than before garra, with a great deal of control over himself and his sand, and he was nearly helpless against kimmimaru, only kimmi dying of his illness stopped him from stabbing garra through the eyeball with a lance made of bone.
My point is, there are plenty of ways to get past garras sand, many of which dont involve liquidating an entire neighborhood with collateral damage. (That only happens if you take too long) And we see all these things happen after garra is ninja trained, and all except kimmimaru, done by GENIN. Even naruto was able to blast the crap out of garras sand demon form with an exploding note to the butt crack. I mostly ignore that fight since naruto won by kage level reserves, not skill, but there were a few bits that showed yet another genin standing up to garra and putting up a fight. Having an assassin after garra before he gets any ninja training or learns to control his sand? He should be dead.
Lee could only outrun Gaara's sand with 3 (4?) gates open and without his weights. Even if he is just a genin, Lee is faster than most ninjas, heck from what we have seen so far only Guy can actually outspeed him physically.
And Naruto managed to blast the Ichibi armour because the sand shield "turned off" while in that form.
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The whole Gaara thing doesn't make sense...these are the orders of the events.
1) Gaara accidentally hurts other people, but these are simple mistakes for Gaara can't control his own power.
2) The sand council thinks Gaara is a threat, to prove that Gaara is still the perfect weapon that can be controlled the Fourth Kazekage (Gaara's father) orders Gaara's maternal uncle to attack Gaara, testing whether he will break due to the violence or the psychological damage.
3) Gaara kills his maternal uncle, gets messed up in his mind, and carves his tattoo in his face with his sand powers.
4) He then unleashes his tailed beast for he is no longer in control of his emotions.
5) The fourth kazekage stops the unleashed tailed beast with his gold sand
6) Seeing Garra as a failure after stopping the tailed beast he then has assassins try to kill Gaara.
7) Gaara becomes a bloodthirsty cynical monster. This allows Gaara for the most part to control his tailed beast (though Gaara himself is kinda unhinged and dangerous.) The fourth kazekage stops the assassination attempts since he changes his mind and Gaara is a weapon that can be controlled.
Thus the events around Gaara and assassinations don't make sense. After 4 the Kazekage should have killed Gaara for he had to stop a rampaging tailed beast monster that was a threat to his village causing the fourth kazekage to use gold sand. He had the perfect opportunity to kill Garra during step 5.
It makes sense in steps 6 that he didn't risk his life trying to stop Garra so he sent fodder, but he was already risking his life in step 5 to protect the village.
The only way to make sense of this episode was that prior to event 1 to 5 it was only the sand council who wanted to kill Garra and that the fourth kazekage was merely testing Garra. After recovering from event 5 and realizing that the sand council is right that Garra is uncontrollable the fourth kazekage cause step 6 by sending in fodder assassins. He then changes his mind during step 7.
That or the fourth kazekage never wanted to kill Garra at all (it was only Garra who thought the fourth kazekage wanted him dead.) Instead it was the sand council who wanted Garra dead and the fourth kazekage was playing the council sometimes agreeing with them sometimes not agreeing with them in order to shape Garra's personality into a cold and bloodthirsty killing machine which the fourth kazekage hoped to use as his ultimate weapon. In this situation of course the fourth kazekage sent fodder assassins since he really didn't wanted to kill Garra, the council on the other hand didn't want to send a jounin or two to stop Garra since the council is made up of their own jounin and they didn't want to risk their life to stop the one tailed beast.
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So what's the reason for not trusting the Mizukage? :smalltongue:
Silly rabbit, women aren't allowed to be useful in Naruto.
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That or the fourth kazekage never wanted to kill Garra at all (it was only Garra who thought the fourth kazekage wanted him dead.) Instead it was the sand council who wanted Garra dead and the fourth kazekage was playing the council sometimes agreeing with them sometimes not agreeing with them in order to shape Garra's personality into a cold and bloodthirsty killing machine which the fourth kazekage hoped to use as his ultimate weapon. In this situation of course the fourth kazekage sent fodder assassins since he really didn't wanted to kill Garra, the council on the other hand didn't want to send a jounin or two to stop Garra since the council is made up of their own jounin and they didn't want to risk their life to stop the one tailed beast.
I was thinking it was something like this. Obviously the sand never tried really hard, because Gaara was far from invincible, although after releasing Shukaku he was probably stronger than your average Jounin.
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The whole "Lee was a genin" doesn't matter.
Lee is a "hardwork genius", considered one of the 4 strongest genin of his year, Genma told Sasuke he was already at chuunin level (so Lee should be as well) and Lee was not only using a kinjutsu against Gaara, he was using it in a level that impressed the hell out of Kakashi.
Lee is not "just a genin".
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Dusk Eclipse
Lee could only outrun Gaara's sand with 3 (4?) gates open and without his weights. Even if he is just a genin, Lee is faster than most ninjas, heck from what we have seen so far only Guy can actually outspeed him physically.
And Naruto managed to blast the Ichibi armour because the sand shield "turned off" while in that form.
One at max. Its not even 100% that he was in the first gate at the time, yeah he used it but his and Gai's philosophy seems to be that its meant for short bursts to help combat the negative effects. Once Lee took off the training weights, he easily outsped the sand. The only reason he even ended up going to the fifth gate is because he wanted to ensure that he'd get past both the sand shield and Gaara's sand armor, not that that worked out for him(keep your eye on your opponent).
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Suichimo
One at max. Its not even 100% that he was in the first gate at the time, yeah he used it but his and Gai's philosophy seems to be that its meant for short bursts to help combat the negative effects. Once Lee took off the training weights, he easily outsped the sand. The only reason he even ended up going to the fifth gate is because he wanted to ensure that he'd get past both the sand shield and Gaara's sand armor, not that that worked out for him(keep your eye on your opponent).
It have been ages since I've read/watch that fight so I wasn't sure. In any case that gives more support to my reasoning of why Gaara couldn't be killed by the Suna-nins. Lee is just that badass.
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It have been ages since I've read/watch that fight so I wasn't sure. In any case that gives more support to my reasoning of why Gaara couldn't be killed by the Suna-nins. Lee is just that badass.
If he had managed to control his bodies reaction while using the lotus on garra, he could have beaten him at one gate. So in other words, it was basically a flinch that made lee have to go all out in his fight. Otherwise he was fighting at maybe 75% of his maximum potential, and he had garra on the ropes. Lee IS that badass, but he is really only badass for a genin. Im fairly sure most of the jounin in konoha could have crushed him in a true deathmatch as of the chunin exams. Kurenai would have had him running face first into every wall in the battlefield, asuma would have likely removed the first limb lee used to block with, counting on his weights to act as armor, gai is just stronger, faster and more skilled than lee, and kakashi has been fighting gai on equal terms since before the series started. They would likely have to take him seriously to do it, but at the end of the day, lee was still just a strong genin.
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This is freaking me out! It's Gaara, not Garra. Garra stands for claw in portuguese so it looks very very weird every time I read it.
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This is freaking me out! It's Gaara, not Garra. Garra stands for claw in portuguese so it looks very very weird every time I read it.
Feh, well he DOES grow sandy claws when he goes all shukaku on us, so the name fits! :smallbiggrin: And now that I have left you with a half formed additional pun on his identity, I shall take my leave.
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ThiagoMartell
This is freaking me out! It's Gaara, not Garra. Garra stands for claw in portuguese so it looks very very weird every time I read it.
For the record it also stand for claw in spanish and now I can't stop making that connection >_<
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In this chapter, shuriken do slightly more then they usually do. Minor flesh wounds as opposed to just missing.
Also Guy sensei continues to be awesome, and we STILL don't know why Rin died.