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Re: Fate/Grand Order - Are you my Master?
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Hunter Noventa
Yeah I've been tossing some spare embers at Fergus. Thankfully Sabers seem to be the only class I'm really lacking good choices for.
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In order of Level, highest to lowest, 3*+ Only
Sabers- Nero, Lily Saber, Fergus, Gilles, Caesar
Lancers- Elisabeth, Cu Chulainn, Cu Chulainn Prototype, Hektor, Diarmuid, Romulus
Archers- Nobunaga, Atalante, Emiya, Euryale, Robin Hood, Kid Gil, Billy the Kid, David
Riders- Santa Alter, Anne Bonny & Mary Read, Marie Antoinette, Medusa, Ushiwakamaru, Alexander, Boudica
Casters- Caster Elisabeth, Medea (Lily), Medea, Caster Cu, Babbage, Geronimo, Paracelsus
Assassins- Jack the Ripper, Shiki, Carmilla, Jekyll, Jing Ke
Berserkers- Tamamo Cat, Hercules, Kiyohime, Lu Bu, Darius
I'm pretty flush for choice with everything but Sabers and to a lesser extent Lancers.
I think Caesar could work very well for you since you have a number of other Quick servants and having a single-target Saber in addition to your AOE Nero would be useful. For Lancers, Cu can take care of most of your needs. You'll also want to raise Hans if you have him. He's not called welfare Waver for nothing.
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Re: Fate/Grand Order - Are you my Master?
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nightwyrm
I think Caesar could work very well for you since you have a number of other Quick servants and having a single-target Saber in addition to your AOE Nero would be useful. For Lancers, Cu can take care of most of your needs. You'll also want to raise Hans if you have him. He's not called welfare Waver for nothing.
I do have Hans as well, I've had trouble wrapping my head around bringing and keeping alive a support servant like that though. I've put most of my focus on building and unleashing NPs as fast as I can, so I've come to prefer servants with good arts combos.
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So, the Fate/Accel pre-event stuff is up, including the Gil banner. For those of you who still want Gil.
He's admittedly awesome, sure, but at this point, I think I've made it pretty clear when my whaling happens. For those of you who haven't been keeping up, that's the Fate/Accel event proper - which will include Iskandar and Iskandar/Waver banners.
Iskandar is not the most unique Rider. Sure, his stats are beefy, and his skills are useful, and his NP is AoE with solid damage and a DEF down. But what he isn't is stand-out - he doesn't really fill a niche, unless that niche is "smashy smashy."
Which is exactly my playstyle and I will be whaling. Also because Waver is on some of those banners, and until Myrddin comes along, Waver is best Caster.
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Red Fel
So, the Fate/Accel pre-event stuff is up, including the Gil banner. For those of you who still want Gil.
He's admittedly awesome, sure, but at this point, I think I've made it pretty clear when my whaling happens. For those of you who haven't been keeping up, that's the Fate/Accel event proper - which will include Iskandar and Iskandar/Waver banners.
Iskandar is not the most unique Rider. Sure, his stats are beefy, and his skills are useful, and his NP is AoE with solid damage and a DEF down. But what he isn't is stand-out - he doesn't really fill a niche, unless that niche is "smashy smashy."
Which is exactly my playstyle and I will be whaling. Also because Waver is on some of those banners, and until Myrddin comes along, Waver is best Caster.
That's far too much analysis. I'm whaling for Iskander because he is the best and I must have him and shower him with love and grails.
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Anarion
That's far too much analysis. I'm whaling for Iskander because he is the best and I must have him and shower him with love and grails.
https://pa1.narvii.com/5725/1d689160...ae6e906_hq.gif
Broskandar is best bro.
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Don't forget to grab your free dapper suit mystic code.
I've done a little more farming of Da Vinci stuff, mostly just spending gold drops on Mana Prisms though. Kind of annoyed that I can't buy or win the one item I need for a couple ascensions. Does anyone know where to go to farm up some Eternal Gears? The mechs in the event AP30 CAN drop them, but not reliably at all.
In other news, I got Herc fully ascended but not maxed out, and grabbed the third ascension for Anne Bonny and Mary Read. Emiya and Jack are ready to go as well as soon as I get those gears. And Mash now has her attack and hp maxed along with her level.
Will it be worth dumping anything into my Kid Gil and Diarmuid for the event? Or should I just be able to keep tem in the back lines for whatever bonuses they provide?
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I am finding this event incredibly annoying to farm, unlike the others. I mean, i cant find a mission that actually drops a decent amount of stuff and the fact that i only have one friggin boosting CE is making that harder.
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Re: Fate/Grand Order - Are you my Master?
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Hunter Noventa
I've done a little more farming of Da Vinci stuff, mostly just spending gold drops on Mana Prisms though. Kind of annoyed that I can't buy or win the one item I need for a couple ascensions. Does anyone know where to go to farm up some Eternal Gears? The mechs in the event AP30 CAN drop them, but not reliably at all.
Here is a list of where they drop. I have found Chicago to be the most consistent place for me, but farming is farming and that doesn't say much.
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Hunter Noventa
Will it be worth dumping anything into my Kid Gil and Diarmuid for the event? Or should I just be able to keep tem in the back lines for whatever bonuses they provide?
Short version? Having the appropriate Servant in your party increases insignia drops by 3. So you can comfortably slap them in the back row of your party to collect.
Or, just ignore them. I'm pretty sure you can still get insignias to drop without them, just without the boosted rate.
Be advised, though, that it takes over 2400 insignias to clear out a given shop. And yes, there are seven shops, one for each insignia type (one for each class). So you may want to reconfigure your party to maximize drop rates. On the other hand, if there's nothing in the Archer or Saber shops to interest you (Servants drop insignias of the class they beat), you could just skip those Servants and those insignias entirely. There's a lot of overlap, after all.
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Blackhawk748
I am finding this event incredibly annoying to farm, unlike the others. I mean, i cant find a mission that actually drops a decent amount of stuff and the fact that i only have one friggin boosting CE is making that harder.
Yeah, without multiplier CEs it's hard to farm the fake portraits. Checking which mission drops which types helps, but a rate-up really helps. I basically came into this expecting to grab all of School of Chaldea, then a couple of Secret Gems, and then just blow what I had left on Foreign God Hearts and Prisms; with that mentality, I won't be walking away completely disappointed.
Just slightly.
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This event went well for me, although my nearly complete lack of archers became obvious with the saber farm. Thankfully I got my fake Mona Lisas from the second best farm earlier on. Best part of the event for me was farming Mana prisms for a training CE jusy for the collection, maxing two servants' stats with the shop fous and Mana prims fous, and leveling three 5 stars from 80 to 90 and leveling a 4 star from nothing to 80. Needless to say I farmed a ton of manuscripts especially when I got that lucky drop for the fifth school of Chaldea CE. I never ever get CE drops in events. Except once in the saber wars event.
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Red Fel
Here is a list of where they drop. I have found Chicago to be the most consistent place for me, but farming is farming and that doesn't say much.
Short version? Having the appropriate Servant in your party increases insignia drops by 3. So you can comfortably slap them in the back row of your party to collect.
Or, just ignore them. I'm pretty sure you can still
get insignias to drop without them, just without the boosted rate.
Be advised, though, that it takes over 2400 insignias to clear out a given shop. And yes, there are seven shops, one for each insignia type (one for each class). So you may want to reconfigure your party to maximize drop rates. On the other hand, if there's nothing in the Archer or Saber shops to interest you (Servants drop insignias of the class they beat), you could just skip those Servants and those insignias entirely. There's a lot of overlap, after all.
That's the sort of page I was looking for, thanks. And the wiki has a nice table of who gives drop boosts in the upcoming event. And the JP article for the event has a listing of all the stuff to buy.
But people were also saying the event is actually relatively easy to clear, since in JP it came out even before ascension and was made to be doable with 3* servants.
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Re: Fate/Grand Order - Are you my Master?
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Hunter Noventa
That's the sort of page I was looking for, thanks. And the wiki has a nice
table of who gives drop boosts in the upcoming event. And the JP
article for the event has a listing of all the stuff to buy.
But people were also saying the event is actually relatively easy to clear, since in JP it came out even before ascension and was made to be doable with 3* servants.
It was technically made to be doable with Angra Mainyu in your party, and he is just the worst. So, yeah. It should be pretty straightforward to clear. Now clearing and farming are two different animals. And if you want the event CE, Final Destination (30% NP start, 3 stars/turn, +2 Insignia drops) you'll want to farm.
Oh, also, I forgot - the event gives us the Irisviel welfare Servant, for those of you who are determined to run an Emiya Family Reunion team. (EMIYAssassin is also available for banner draw.) She's... eh... not terrible? She's a healbot. She has a healing NP, a healing active skill, a heal-boosting active skill, and a self-invulnerability skill. She's a healbot, that's all she does. But hey, do you need a Caster?
He asked, knowing perfectly well that you have Caster!Liz who is a highly effective offensive Caster.
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Red Fel
He asked, knowing perfectly well that you have Caster!Liz who is a highly effective offensive Caster.
I'll never say no to more servants, but yeah, Caster!Iri will be pretty down low on the list to level, doubly so since I have Medea Lily for a healing caster already.
Thanks for the tip on Chicago, clearing out the Washington free quest was a little tricky, but I managed,and I got one of the gears I needed and I was able to get Emiya's 3rd ascension, now I just need to farm a ton more to get Jack's final Ascension.
I've dumped a bunch of embers onto Fergus, who's getting closer to being competitive at least, to give me another Saber. Though when it's a mission that needs nothing but Sabers (meaning it's all Lancer enemies) I'll usually just bring Liz or Jack.
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Red Fel
Oh, also, I forgot - the event gives us the Irisviel welfare Servant, for those of you who are determined to run an Emiya Family Reunion team. (EMIYAssassin is also available for banner draw.) She's... eh... not terrible? She's a healbot. She has a healing NP, a healing active skill, a heal-boosting active skill, and a self-invulnerability skill. She's a healbot, that's all she does. But hey, do you need a Caster?
So... Completely useless to me, because I have Medea Lily. Good to know.
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So i got one Scholars of Chaldea, and thats all i really expect to get. Its a nice CE (especially as i habitually use Neophoenix's Casko) but i doubt im gonna get any others. This event just started at a bad day for me.
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what is your guys opinions on a Craft essence for Tamamo no Mae, gentle affection or prisma cosmos? and when i don't have it equipped to a secondary damage dealer what are you thoughts on a maxed formal craft for her instead?
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what is your guys opinions on a Craft essence for Tamamo no Mae, gentle affection or prisma cosmos? and when i don't have it equipped to a secondary damage dealer what are you thoughts on a maxed formal craft for her instead?
Between gentle affection and prisma, I would go with prisma. My own Tamamo usually uses Lil Halloween Devil or 2030, depending on who's my attacker. I would rather put the maxed FC on an attacker instead of Tamamo since I don't actually want her attacking much and it would just be a more expensive Divine Banquet for her. Tamamo's just there to provide heals and NP.
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nightwyrm
Between gentle affection and prisma, I would go with prisma.
Inclined to agree.
Gentle Affection increases your heal power. As in, a single thing that Casko does. (At least until you upgrade her third skill.) It's not really Casko's focus. Moreover, the amount is negligible. Even assuming you have a maxed Gentle Affection and have upgraded Casko's NP, that's a 20% increase over 3000 - that's a difference of 600 HP. That won't make any difference whatsoever.
By contrast, Prisma Cosmos charges her NP for her, which is pretty important given her lower NP generation. Being able to use her NP more is way more valuable than increasing its heal component slightly.
As Nightwyrm mentioned, a 2030 is also a solid choice, but really the best thing for Tamamo is to boost her NP gen.
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for the formal craft i put it on tamamo when i only have one damage dealer sometimes, cause my primary damage dealer usually has an np damage up CE to multiply her fox's wedding buff.
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Re: Fate/Grand Order - Are you my Master?
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Red Fel
It was technically made to be doable with Angra Mainyu in your party, and he is just the worst. So, yeah. It should be pretty straightforward to clear. Now clearing and farming are two different animals. And if you want the event CE, Final Destination (30% NP start, 3 stars/turn, +2 Insignia drops) you'll want to farm.
Oh, also, I forgot - the event gives us the Irisviel welfare Servant, for those of you who are determined to run an Emiya Family Reunion team. (EMIYAssassin is also available for banner draw.) She's... eh... not terrible? She's a healbot. She has a healing NP, a healing active skill, a heal-boosting active skill, and a self-invulnerability skill. She's a healbot, that's all she does. But hey, do you need a Caster?
He asked, knowing perfectly well that you have Caster!Liz who is a highly effective offensive Caster.
Iri comes into her own much later on where you need more than just heal...primarily a teamwide Guts effect I'd imagine.
...Until then though, I'm rocking Medea Lily and Medea. Liz is okay...Waver hangs around but he's there to get me friend points.
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ImperatorV
So... Completely useless to me, because I have Medea Lily. Good to know.
Different purposes. Medea Lily heals and cures some status effects, which is really good but Iri heals just as well (it seems) but also gives team wide Guts which can be incredibly important. Not useless but her use comes along a fair bit down the line so don't sleep on her! Plus, unless you are rather lucky, you'll actually be able to level up Iri's NP.
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waver is a complete package when it comes to support minus the ability to heal. his second skill is basically Mash's current NP. he offers defense down and attack up which multiply together for amazing attack potental teamwide. (also comes with flat damage up which is going to be pretty key in some events...) if your team has any form of crit star generation his crit damage up with further multiply your damage. finally in addition to the previously mentioned defense down his NP offers guaranteed NP charge down, and a chance to stun for even more survivability. the only things he doesn't do is heal and nuke things with his own NP. he lets others take care of the NP nukes.
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NeoPhoenix0
waver is a complete package when it comes to support minus the ability to heal. his second skill is basically Mash's current NP. he offers defense down and attack up which multiply together for amazing attack potental teamwide. (also comes with flat damage up which is going to be pretty key in some events...) if your team has any form of crit star generation his crit damage up with further multiply your damage. finally in addition to the previously mentioned defense down his NP offers guaranteed NP charge down, and a chance to stun for even more survivability. the only things he doesn't do is heal and nuke things with his own NP. he lets others take care of the NP nukes.
Yep. Waver is Best Caster, at least until Myrddin comes along. But again, niches. For example, Caster!Liz is more offensively powerful, with a Buster-type damaging NP and a Mana Burst to boost it - also, her Mana Boost includes a Burn, which is helpful. And while Waver can charge the party's NP a bit with two different commands (and a targeted third), Medea can pop her own NP on command with Rapid Words, which at level 4 can already fully charge her gauge. And let's not forget Blavatsky, who can charge party NP, boost command types, and has a massively debuffing NP.
So, yeah. Waver is Best Caster - unless you specifically need another niche. (Which you probably won't.)
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tbh, i mostly just use waver for farming. for longer battles i often use other casters unless there no windup before i need to start firing off NPs, then i bring him. or if it is a really tough fight against something that isn't a rider, then i usually bring him and another caster.
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NeoPhoenix0
waver is a complete package when it comes to support minus the ability to heal. his second skill is basically Mash's current NP. he offers defense down and attack up which multiply together for amazing attack potental teamwide. (also comes with flat damage up which is going to be pretty key in some events...) if your team has any form of crit star generation his crit damage up with further multiply your damage. finally in addition to the previously mentioned defense down his NP offers guaranteed NP charge down, and a chance to stun for even more survivability. the only things he doesn't do is heal and nuke things with his own NP. he lets others take care of the NP nukes.
Waver is a complete package in that he boosts the base effectiveness of pretty much everyone with bonuses to attack/damage and defense/damage cut while charging Noble Phantasm.
Thing is, he doesn't heal and his debuffing of the enemies is pretty crap considering the only reason I've EVER had to attack with Waver is either A) the enemy is an Assassin and I don't have one of my other casters on my team or B) to start a chain with an Arts card to set up NPs for my other servants better. Even then, his NP is...alright because it doesn't need to be more than that. The NP charge loss is nice but the stun isn't guaranteed (Thank you Scathach for letting me appreciate that), the curse is a joke, and a surprisingly large number of characters can lower defense or outright ignore it. So unless you have a way to chain his NP, all its really going to do is buy you an extra turn before a NP goes off and hopefully stop the enemy from attacking as well.
Which again, is fine, no one uses Waver for his NP, they use him for his skills and as a NP battery. And the skill part will become more iffy once we have enemies that clear buffs or prevent them from being placed on people. Even then, he can still be a battery.
But that's not really what I want from my casters when I use them. When it comes to support I prefer to debuff my enemies, do DoT, heal, or do rapid fire NPs like there's no tomorrow (With a little work I can get Medea to use her NP four turns in a row). Unfortunately all the things that Waver doesn't do (at least not well), especially the healing part. Plus he doesn't fit on any themed teams I do for singularities or events, so I put him in my support line-up and basically forget about him.
...Except for the up-coming Zero event, Waver and Gilgamesh are pretty perfect as the core of a theme team for it so he'll see main party use finally.
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if they use his skills they should use his NP. his NP applies a 30% defense down which is a lot, and his skill applies a 20% attack up. people who ignore defense only ignore defense up they still benefit from defense down. so he alone accounts for an increase in damage of ~71% without any upgrades besides completing his 4th ascension interlude if you apply the attack up at the same time as the defense down. my own waver accounts for a damage increase of ~108% with his level 6 attack buff and level 2 NP. i've tested this math in game and it seems to check out though the more you multiply different types of buffs together the greater variance you get in damage cause of how this game seems to handle its damage rolls.
point is while there are plenty other niche casters no other single caster in the game will multiply your damage more than him. and while other people apply defense down and attack up his defense down and attack up are both really big. and after you have him to maximize your damage you only need a card type buff and a NP damage buff. this is why i use him for quick farming and nukes, then ignore him until i have a really tough battle. then I stall to victory with an extreme damage nuke at the end using him and another support to create a super NP nuke. this strategy very often nets me a 300k-600k nuke if it is a single target NP depending on which specific NP i'm using.
Edit: i am definitely not saying you should use him all the time, but i am saying you are just kinda wrong for saying his NP is garbage.
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Re: Fate/Grand Order - Are you my Master?
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NeoPhoenix0
if they use his skills they should use his NP. his NP applies a 30% defense down which is a lot, and his skill applies a 20% attack up. people who ignore defense only ignore defense up they still benefit from defense down. so he alone accounts for an increase in damage of ~71% without any upgrades besides completing his 4th ascension interlude if you apply the attack up at the same time as the defense down. my own waver accounts for a damage increase of ~108% with his level 6 attack buff and level 2 NP. i've tested this math in game and it seems to check out though the more you multiply different types of buffs together the greater variance you get in damage cause of how this game seems to handle its damage rolls.
point is while there are plenty other niche casters no other single caster in the game will multiply your damage more than him. and while other people apply defense down and attack up his defense down and attack up are both really big. and after you have him to maximize your damage you only need a card type buff and a NP damage buff. this is why i use him for quick farming and nukes, then ignore him until i have a really tough battle. then I stall to victory with an extreme damage nuke at the end using him and another support to create a super NP nuke. this strategy very often nets me a 300k-600k nuke if it is a single target NP depending on which specific NP i'm using.
Edit: i am definitely not saying you should use him all the time, but i am saying you are just kinda wrong for saying his NP is garbage.
Maybe I went too far on hyperbole but I don't think his NP is garbage. I'm saying people don't pick Waver supports or add him to their line-up for his NP because it doesn't get used that often. Sure, if you set out to use his NP than you'll charge it as fast as any caster but its not going to win you the fight on its own or represent a massive turning point most of the time, but if you use him how most people do...you won't see his NP often for the reasons I mentioned. Its nice, it can buy you time, but it lacks the punch people want out of a NP and Waver's real draw are his amazing skills. Heck, even when I do have it, I don't tend to use it unless I'm trying to overcharge a NP coming AFTER it or if I'm about to unload a bunch of AoE NPs to eek out some extra damage.
Cause for the first part, someone can tell me to use him all the time all they want, I ain't going to for a number of reasons. I pull him out every now and then but mostly he exists to help out the people on my friends list.
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if most people used him properly they would see his NP go off every time they wanted to use the other NPs in their party as it can easily make the difference between nuking a wave and leaving behind survivors. and as for the punch of his NP vs other people's NP, his NP more than makes up for it by making the other NPs in your party punch significantly harder. His NP is THE turning point in hard fight despite not doing any damage.
And i have never told you to use him at all, in fact i have told you that i don't use him particularly often.
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Waver could be used in two ways:
- Helping farming. However, TBH I no longer use him in this way because I have enough other characters who can do it with less button pushing. Besides, you usually need 3 NPs for farming, and Waver can't attack with his NP, meaning you need Order Change, which takes time. My Arash is already bond level 10, so I rather not use him when I can help it.
- Use in difficult quests. If Waver is to be used in a difficult quest, it's an Arts team. If it's an Arts team, you certainly will be using his Arts card very often to pull off Arts chains, and the fact his NP is an Arts card is extremely helpful. The effects are nice as well, especially given how NPs of enemy servants tend to be insta-kill, and de-charging is effective against them. Overall, his NP is amazingly effective.
His NP is not "not bad", it's either "doesn't exist" OR "super-powerful and you should be grateful for it".
That being mentioned, I actually rarely use Waver, because I value Merlin more in difficult quests, and I don't need him for 3-turn farming either.
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Merlin doesn't exist yet in NA. but as for farming goes, i use the first wave to top off people's NP if i don't have waver so if i have waver i just buster them down then nuke the next two waves.
edit: that said i just got Helena so if i can raise her first skill up a bit i can just nuke all three waves.
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Beat America today. I have to say, that ending was intense. Glad I have my maxed Euryale, even if it was a bit anticlimactic for Cu Alter to go down so fast each time. He didn't even get his NP off until the final fight.
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Beat America today. I have to say, that ending was intense. Glad I have my maxed Euryale, even if it was a bit anticlimactic for Cu Alter to go down so fast each time. He didn't even get his NP off until the final fight.
Considering he's a Berserker, I'm more surprised he got off his NP at all against a Euryale.
I have no room to talk, I Gae Bolg'd Alternative'd him into oblivion on like the second or third turn of every fight with him. Just to remind him that his Sensei can kick his grail-enhanced ass.