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Re: Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed
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Originally Posted by
-D-
It also mentions Bunny participating. How would she participate? :smallconfused:
Do you really want an answer to that? If so, you can google it. I wouldn't recommend it though, it'd be the very definition of an unsafe search.
Great update though. It justified both Bunny and Bill. Even if he had issues from the beginning, Ponzi broke him completely. So far we've only had Don's thoughts on his son, and he wasn't a reliable narrator. Transylvito's very lucky his coup didn't succeed if that's the way he treats his helpless subordinates. Ceasar looks better and better, both in comparison and by himself. The Great Minds, not so much. The caused all this suffering by simultaneously caring too much about their secrets, and being far worse than Charlie in actually protecting them. His "deal of a lifetime" was both more secure and less onerous on the units it was imposed on.
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Re: Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed
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Anteros
Between the positioning, and the "punishment fits the crime" theme going on here, it's definitely implied to be rape.
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Originally Posted by
-D-
It also mentions Bunny participating. How would she participate? :smallconfused:
My first thought was paddling with some cruelly constructed paddles to the rear. >.>
Guess Bill can't just be disbanded without addressing the golem defenses in the capital. Shame. He really needs to go. Ah well, at last Caesar was being sweet with Bunny and is piecing together the situation better. He gets another couple respect points from me. :3
I agree on the poor Bunny part.
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Re: Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed
... ya know, I still remember when Bunny was a faceless, voiceless nobody.
Quite the turnaround.
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Originally Posted by
-D-
It also mentions Bunny participating. How would she participate? :smallconfused:
Girls can rape too, mate. :smallwink:
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Unless you meant 'why would she'. :smallconfused: In which case, good question.
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Re: Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed
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HalfTangible
Unless you meant 'why would she'. :smallconfused: In which case, good question.
Revenge probably seemed very tempting before she found out she didn't really like it.
I daresay the way she would have participated would have been unpleasant for Bill, likely being of both a sexual and violent nature. Imagine the sort of torments you can visit on someone who'll fully recover the following morning provided you don't kill them.
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Re: Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed
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Originally Posted by
Narkis
Do you really want an answer to that? If so, you can google it. I wouldn't recommend it though, it'd be the very definition of an unsafe search.
Great update though. It justified both Bunny and Bill. Even if he had issues from the beginning, Ponzi broke him completely. So far we've only had Don's thoughts on his son, and he wasn't a reliable narrator. Transylvito's very lucky his coup didn't succeed if that's the way he treats his helpless subordinates. Ceasar looks better and better, both in comparison and by himself. The Great Minds, not so much. The caused all this suffering by simultaneously caring too much about their secrets, and being far worse than Charlie in actually protecting them. His "deal of a lifetime" was both more secure and less onerous on the units it was imposed on.
Caring too much about their secrets? An adept thinkamancer knew enough to teach a dollamancer to create a link that allowed torture at a distance, that even an adept thinkamancer who knew how it worked could not easily resist. Did the great minds know that this could be done, and that they themselves could probably do much worse? Even if thinkamancers were naturally 'good', would they be able to resist an order from a ruler like Ponzi to tear a prisoner's mind apart? If I were in that position I would believe it is far preferable to undersell thankamancy, and guard knowldege of it's capabilities to avoid being asked to use them.
The thinkamancy secrets are very different from Charlie's, in that thinkamancers cannot function without knowing enough thinkamancy to be dangerous, where Charlie's units do not need to know his secrets. They do not have to understand their orders to follow them. The thinkamancers even have to be guarded over the extent that there are secrets to guard, and being seen to be overzealous would attract attention to it. The Great Minds are not in nearly such a simple position as Charlie.
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Re: Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed
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Aquillion
Well, Predictimancy is the discipline that relates most closely to Fate, whereas Mathamancy doesn't, and the bracer supposedly runs on Mathamancy.
It's hard to say, though, since we don't know as much about either discipline as we do about, say, Thinkamancy. In fact, we barely know anything about Mathamancy at all.
The bracer is a mathmancy item thanks to the calculator in Parson's watch but shouldn't the time-keeping part of the watch impart an added function to this item? Predictimancy deals with time. It makes sense the watch will have a predictimancy bonus.
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Re: Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed
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Originally Posted by
HalfTangible
... ya know, I still remember when Bunny was a faceless, voiceless nobody.
Quite the turnaround.
Girls can rape too, mate. :smallwink:
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Unless you meant 'why would she'. :smallconfused: In which case, good question.
Well, she doesn't have to involve herself in the way you might be thinking. Objects can be inserted, beatings, etc.
Of course, she may have used her discipline to either tell Ponzi what to say for maximum effect, emphasize certain sensations such as humilation/shame/powerlessness, or maybe just rip his mind up if she'd like.
But regardless, I think it's all but explicitly said it was rape or extreme sexual assault. Bunny mentions that he basically did the same to her, and Ponzi seems the type to take that personally. Additionally, Bunny has interrogated people before like when Caesar was going to town on Parson and Jack, so it doesn't make sense that she would shy away from brutality. Caesar is unlikely to call Ponzi sicker than Bill for torture, because Bill has already committed sexual assault twice, is known for being unhinged, and also has that weird breast/butt monster. Combine that with what has already been said about Bill's response to Caesar ordering him to the cell (naked and in a submissive pose) I don't see how it could something else.
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Re: Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed
This stuff is not my cup of tea.
Not really looking forward to the next update, which feels weird.
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Re: Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed
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Bobb
This stuff is not my cup of tea.
Not really looking forward to the next update, which feels weird.
Yeah, Erfworld gets pretty squicky. The fact that many units have childlike proportions with large eyes also makes it disturbing during violent scenes.
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Re: Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed
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Leewei
Yeah, Erfworld gets pretty squicky. The fact that many units have childlike proportions with large eyes also makes it disturbing during violent scenes.
Right, but Erfworld lately got a lot more dark.
Erfworld wasn't as dark in beginning, it was plushies fighting crap golems and cute spidews.
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Re: Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed
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-D-
Erfworld wasn't as dark in beginning, it was plushies fighting crap golems and cute spidews.
Where you were most likely to die by a song and dance number.
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Re: Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed
We had 'plushies' engaged in a BDSM/torture session 28 pages in to Book 1. That's pretty dark, or at the very least adult.
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Re: Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed
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The Glyphstone
We had 'plushies' engaged in a BDSM/torture session 28 pages in to Book 1. That's pretty dark, or at the very least adult.
(i think 'plushies' was referring to the cloth golems, not to all the units)
I've never really gotten the idea that Erfworld units look like children. They always appeared like abstract cartoons to me, especially when Parson's not in the room for comparison.
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Re: Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed
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The Glyphstone
We had 'plushies' engaged in a BDSM/torture session 28 pages in to Book 1. That's pretty dark, or at the very least adult.
I never knew dwagons and siege bears where that kinky.
Sure there were dark moments. But they didn't last as long as the current one. Also that session was consent, more or less, this is strictly rape.
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Re: Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed
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Bobb
This stuff is not my cup of tea.
Not really looking forward to the next update, which feels weird.
Actually I get the impression that they are going to unmake the golem and give back what had been taken from Maggie.
As for Erfworld being dark? In just the 2nd page of the first book Manpower gets a crossbow bolt into his eye socket. Yeah, this comic has always been dark.
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Re: Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed
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Originally Posted by
-D-
Right, but Erfworld lately got a lot more dark.
Erfworld wasn't as dark in beginning, it was plushies fighting crap golems and cute spidews.
Erfworld has been very dark from the start, that was the the entire point of things being cutesy, it makes the horrible horrible things that are happening..all the more stark and horrible.
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Re: Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed
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HandofShadows
As for Erfworld being dark? In just the 2nd page of the first book Manpower gets a crossbow bolt into his eye socket. Yeah, this comic has always been dark.
That's Erfworld being violent. And for the record, it was followed by near comical "I can taste key lime pie". There is no comedic silver lining here.
There is a huge difference starting a movie/comic with a guy getting shot or a guy getting raped.
The latter is more personal and traumatic, since wars are generally unknown to most readers.
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Re: Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed
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-D-
The latter is more personal and traumatic, since wars are generally unknown to most readers.
Rape is generally unknown to most readers as well. >.> How does it become more 'personal' and 'traumatic'?
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Re: Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed
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HalfTangible
Rape is generally unknown to most readers as well. >.> How does it become more 'personal' and 'traumatic'?
I dunno, but I know at least one person that was sexually assaulted, and I don't know any people that died in a war or were maimed in war. I assume that due to lower presence of war in urban areas compared to sexual assaults, it would hold true for most readers. Especially, since the country I live was engaged in war, about twenty years ago.
Also rape implies a more personal experience, since assailant gets up close to commit it. Although in that respect Erfworld does kinda stand out.
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I'm not sure whether there are more traumatised veterans or traumatised sexual assault victims around, but I think it's fairly unlikely that anybody who has an issue with reading about wars would read a comic with war as such a major theme, while somebody who has an issue with reading about sexual assault could have quite happily read Erfworld for years and then suddenly been hit with it in this update.
I guess what I'm saying is: would it have killed him to put a warning at the top of the page?
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I don't know how the numbers compare, but I'm pretty sure traumatized veterans are a much more concentrated group than traumatized rape victims. War trauma generally happens to whole groups who know each other well, after all, while rape trauma is usually more individual. So, I'd expect a relatively small number of people to each know a lot of war vets, while lots of people know one or two rape victims.
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Re: Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed
I think that's somewhat besides the point.
Whether lethal violence feels worse than sexual violence depends as much on a person's values than anything.
Ceasar's torture of Parson and Jack cost him as many sympathy points in my eyes, as Bill's molestation of Bunny cost Bill. I can't even imagine what Ponzie could've done for Ceasar to proclaim him as a "sicker flip" than Bill. Some combination of the two? Hard to say.
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Early update.
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You really shun't fall in love with your units ...
Wise words about Parson/Maggie - but see also Caesar/Bunny, Vinny/Jillian, Wanda/Jillian, Jillian/Bart ... :smallbiggrin:
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New comic.
Hypocritical Spike is hypocritical.
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Wise words about Parson/Maggie - but see also Caesar/Bunny, Vinny/Jillian, Wanda/Jillian, Jillian/Bart ... :smallbiggrin:
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Double so, if you count that Wanda/Jillian didn't start as units under your command. In fact, it was something worse - prisoner/torturer.
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Not sure where that sudden Parson rage came from but keep that in check dude. You need all the alliances you can get to fight Charlie. :smalltongue:
Caesar is getting another piece of the big picture. Vanna can turn entire groups. Think she'll be croaked soon?
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Croaking her would be incredibly stupid. It wastes a potential asset, as well as an information source. She might be captured though.
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Re: Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed
Vanna being turned from Charlescom would be interesting, but who ought she to be turned to? How can she be turned?
Not that she's exactly a Charlescom unit as such, but they pay her upkeep, and she likes the work they give her.
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Re: Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed
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DigoDragon
Caesar is getting another piece of the big picture. Vanna can turn entire groups.
She can also end turns, see KingWorld.
But to cast it, she needs a link to Charlie, because that spell needs so much juice.
So, if anyone asks about more details about KingWorld (and maybe
consult other turnamancers), the truth will come out shortly...
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Re: Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed
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hajo
She can also end turns, see KingWorld.
But to cast it, she needs a link to Charlie, because that spell needs so much juice.
So, if anyone asks about more details about KingWorld (and maybe
consult other turnamancers), the truth will come out shortly...
Vanna must be master class?
I've said it before, there are too many over-powered game-breaking caster types.
Being able to abort an enemy sides entire turn? That's ridiculously powerful.
So powerful it makes me think there is no ongoing plot, just whatever gets you through this episode, and destroy the next episode in the process if you have to, then pretend it maybe didn't happen.
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Re: Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed
The thing to remember about Charlie's linkups is that they're primarily a product of the Arkendish - without it the only way you could pull off tri-caster linkups so casually is by having multiple high-level thinkamancers on hand (one to facilitate the link, at least one to dissolve it). When you consider the powers exhibited by the other 'tools (unlimited movement/inter-dimensional transport, an infinite upkeep-free army, almost unbeatable personal combat prowess/dwagon-taming/flight/whatever other tricks the Arkenhamer can pull off), does it really seem so unreasonable that the Arkendish has a few "game-breaking" abilities? Especially since Charlie's been attuned so much longer than anyone else we've seen use a tool and has probably been experimenting far more actively.