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Re: League of Legends XXIV: Today's Noob Strat, Tomorrow's New Meta
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Psyborg
I'd like to learn one more mid mage/AP carry, and I'd like it to be someone who counters as many as possible of the champions who counter my current mids. Sustain would be nice, but hardly mandatory. I have no real interest in Morgana, and Annie is boring. Any recommendations?
SION would be my choice
or Gragas
Your current AP picks are stay in lane farm all game sustained damage so I think a roaming more burst oriented pick would be fun. Plus, Sion is only 1350 IP.
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Re: League of Legends XXIV: Today's Noob Strat, Tomorrow's New Meta
Out of your list? No ranged AD means a Demacian team would A) not fit the meta, and B) have significant issues holding bot lane against the typical Caitlyn/Graves/Kog'maw+Taric/Soraka/Sona lane they'd face.
Jarvan's the only real jungler in there, so that settles that. Presumably he'd build AD bruiser rather than pure tank.
Bot lane is going to need Garen for sheer early-game brutality and either Galio or Lux for ranged harass/poke. Leaves both a bit starved for farm unless you go straight support Lux, but might be able to deal with support/carry well enough to manage.
Lux or Galio mid, depending on which of them isn't bottom with Garen. Shyvana solo top.
I don't think it'd work all that well lategame. The ranged carry's raw sustained DPS is critically important in endgame teamfights, and there are very few melees that can even somewhat take their place (Master Yi, Tryndamere, Jax, and Nasus are pretty much it, and Nasus builds trinity tank a lot more often than melee carry). And none of those are Demacians.
With all the Demacians, certain things become obvious:
Vayne/Sona bot, as the only ranged AD and only 0CS support.
Lux mid, as the closest thing to a hard AP carry Demacia has.
Xin Zhao jungle (better pre-6 ganks than Shyvana)
Galio or Jarvan solo top, as you need a tank.
Sorry dragon lady. No room for you :/ Go play with Poppy and Miss Fortune and we'll call you when we need you :smalltongue:
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Re: League of Legends XXIV: Today's Noob Strat, Tomorrow's New Meta
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Fera Tian
olaf's E is the best source of damage in the game
Burst damage, anyways. I'd need to see mathcraft before I was certain if it also competed with other sources of true damage, such as Irelia's W and Vayne's W (although that often times is not her main source of dps in a fight.)
So, I just gave Shyvana a whirl and... I can't help but feel she is asking me to build her funny. With her ult passive, she basically can just get merc treads and an atmas or something, and voila! Very satisfying level of mitigation for both types of damage. Throw in a FM for health and slow, and you basically have three items keeping her alive. From there, my thought is to build AD carry, with perhaps a PD, an IE, and a BT, substituting a Last Whisper when warranted. Except I wonder if Ghostblade shouldn't be in there.
Also, one more skin: http://i.imgur.com/RKKQph.jpg
Also, I don't know why, but I really like her W. If you keep someone in the whole time, that is actually quite a bit of damage.
So, do you think she could jungle? She has no sustain and no damage mitigation until she gets ult (although Phreak claims great clear time,) and from there she has no cc until 6. However, her ult could be an amazing ganking tool, outright forcing the enemy into a position they would not like. She is better than Warwick though since her W could be used as an MS buff, whereas he usually on gets that after the gank.
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Re: League of Legends XXIV: Today's Noob Strat, Tomorrow's New Meta
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Originally Posted by
Psyborg
Demacian team
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Psyborg
Jarvan's the only real jungler in there
Xin Zhao and the dragon lady?
Also, I just played against milkcow, Ezreal and FeralPony (we won) and their Shyvana built Tiamat. :smalltongue:
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Re: League of Legends XXIV: Today's Noob Strat, Tomorrow's New Meta
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Originally Posted by
Psyborg
No ranged AD means a Demacian team would A) not fit the meta, and B) have significant issues holding bot lane against the typical Caitlyn/Graves/Kog'maw+Taric/Soraka/Sona lane they'd face.
Jarvan's the only real jungler in there, so that settles that. Presumably he'd build AD bruiser rather than pure tank.
Bot lane is going to need Garen for sheer early-game brutality and either Galio or Lux for ranged harass/poke. Leaves both a bit starved for farm unless you go straight support Lux, but might be able to deal with support/carry well enough to manage.
Lux or Galio mid, depending on which of them isn't bottom with Garen. Shyvana solo top.
I don't think it'd work all that well lategame. The ranged carry's raw sustained DPS is critically important in endgame teamfights, and there are very few melees that can even somewhat take their place (Master Yi, Tryndamere, Jax, and Nasus are pretty much it, and Nasus builds trinity tank a lot more often than melee carry). And none of those are Demacians.
as I edited, it appears I forgot Sona, Xin, and Vayne. So I guess Vayne would fill the AD range that meta needs. As far as jungle goes, I wonder how well Shyvana does jungle. Phreak did say in the spotlight that she makes great jungler. In fact I was rather surprised that he did not make her jungle like he does every other champion spotlight. Then again, from what I gathered on this board and elsewere that Phreak's opinion is not always correct.
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Re: League of Legends XXIV: Today's Noob Strat, Tomorrow's New Meta
So, with wolf rush to blue golem and leashes on both, Saintvicious got a clear time of about 3:20. He also thought he would've done better getting Q before E (which I would think.)
Any idea how much would get shaved off with a well performed wolf rush before blue shows up?
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Re: League of Legends XXIV: Today's Noob Strat, Tomorrow's New Meta
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Winthur
Also, I just played against milkcow, Ezreal and FeralPony (we won)
Hold on, are you saying one of them played Ezreal or you played against the person Ezreal?
If the latter, so envious. I want to play with him so I can tell him that he designed all the best champions then hit him with the double whammy of Irelia/Zilean and tell him he dropped the ball.
Demacian Team: For what it's worth, we did a Yordle vs Demacia inhouse and Demacia won by a long way, but that might be a little 'cause the teams were stacked a bit too much based on the assumption I'd play Kennen, which I did but promptly got stomped by Arc's Jarvan.
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Re: League of Legends XXIV: Today's Noob Strat, Tomorrow's New Meta
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aethernox
I've been thinking the very same thing.
In regards to lanelaf: maxed E so good always kill never die. Tentative, generalized Olaf build for endgame: Tabi/Treads, Ghostblade, Starks, Atma's, Warmog's, FoN. Something weird like 21/9/0 or 11/9/10. Anything with Nimbleness and Sunder, honestly. ArPen reds/quints, dodge seals, MR glyphs. Thoughts?
Runes and Masteries are whatever you prefer. I like running 0/9/21 masteries But I just like the utility tree. Reds and quints are arpen, but I run Scaling MR glyphs and armour seals, just to give myself a bit more beef against early game harass (though your setup is fine too). Possibly fitting a wriggle's in early game instead of the stark's may be a bit better, as it gives you more sustain and helps farming a bit, though I'm curious to hear your justification for it anyway because it may be the superior choice. Ghostblade early doesn't really do it for me if you have stark's, and I would just get the brutalizer at most for the extra damage and cdr, and upgrading it into ghostblade after Atmog's core. In addition, I would probably replace the warmog's with a mallet and get the atma's afterwards unless they really have that much physical damage. Mallet purely for the fact that Olaf (espec. lanelaf) doesn't have the highest red buff priority mid game.
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Originally Posted by
Kairaven
So now that you can finally make a full Demacian team, how viable would they be in game?
how would you make your full Demacian team and what position/build would they take?
Garen- Offtank, goes bot and provides early dominance in teamfights. Stems off into secondary tank or secondary deeps late game
Xin Zhao- Another offtank, but more offensively orientated. Goes jungling and provides great pressure early with (IMO) above-average ganks. Goes very deepsy late game. (chosen above jarvan because jarvan ganks need more skillz)
Lux- AP carry/CC support. Goes bot with garen and dominates the lane with him. Maintains damage and role throughout game
Jarvan- Full tank. Goes solo top and gets Gold per 5. Wins game by being relatively unkillable with atmogs and FoN
Galio- Mid I guess? Goes standard galio build of Chalice>Merc's>Abyssal and goes tanky/damagy depending on the needs of the team.
This is merely my opinion for the best demacian team. This is in no way forcing the idea upon you that this IS the best, but a suggestion. Of course, you could put vayne/lux bot and garen top, giving jarvan jungle and xin zhao the finger, but this is what I consider to be most effective. I'm not a fan of support that isn't named taric in general, explaining why I don't have sona with vayne bot, but I guess that could work.
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Re: League of Legends XXIV: Today's Noob Strat, Tomorrow's New Meta
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Originally Posted by
Kairaven
So now that you can finally make a full Demacian team, how viable would they be in game?
AD: Garen, Jarvan, Shyvana
AP: Lux, Galios
who would take what position?
I can't say that I like the Demaian philosophy and culture, (I much prefer what Riven stands for, too bad I can't excel with her.) but the Demacian champions seems much easier to play well.
edit: I forgot Xin, but he's not really Demacian born so there :p
double edit: ok, I also forgot Sona and Vayne, fine... a revised question then, how would you make your full Demacian team and what position/build would they take?
Well, I'd probably take Vayne for a ranged AD carry, because as hillarious as AD sona is, I can only get it to win games for me on dominion. I might win my lane, but it seems like the entire rest of my team crashes and burns whenever I play AD sona.
For Tanks, I'd take tank Jarvan. I love AD jarvan because I can build nothing but bloodthirsters and just bulldoze, but this team would need as many hard CCs as possible.
Lux for AP, because this team needs someone who can actually hold mid.
Run Sona as a 0 cs AP support, because lux can't do that. She really can't, the support tag is erroneous, she needs a high CS to get the AP she needs to be actually useful with ANY abilities, stop being silly about the farm.:smallannoyed:
I don't know how tanky and whatnot Shyvana is, so I'm going to just say put Garen solo top. I'd prefer to have him tanky garen, if only because every AD garen I've ever encountered has been an *******.
So:
Solo top: Garen
Mid: Lux.
Bot: 0CS Sona babysitting Vayne.
Jungle: Jarvan.
It occurs to me that Demacian champions seem to have a prediliction for close combat. Sona and Vayne have very short autoattack ranges,(although Sona's nuke is midranged) and everyone else they have is melee.
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Re: League of Legends XXIV: Today's Noob Strat, Tomorrow's New Meta
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tribble
It occurs to me that Demacian champions seem to have a prediliction for close combat. Sona and Vayne have very short autoattack ranges,(although Sona's nuke is midranged) and everyone else they have is melee.
Because Demacia!!
the shouting doesn't work too well when you are far away.
edit: on the other hand, Noxian champions are majority AP or hybrid (not counting the Zunites)
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Re: League of Legends XXIV: Today's Noob Strat, Tomorrow's New Meta
On the topic of theme teams: I recently discovered that Team Void actually exists. All you need is Void Nocturne (which is such an underrated skin) and then just add Malzabro, Kassadin, Cho, n' KogMaw!
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Re: League of Legends XXIV: Today's Noob Strat, Tomorrow's New Meta
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TechnOkami
On the topic of theme teams: I recently discovered that Team Void actually exists. All you need is Void Nocturne (which is such an underrated skin) and then just add Malzabro, Kassadin, Cho, n' KogMaw!
And then you cry when the enemy team gets MR.
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Re: League of Legends XXIV: Today's Noob Strat, Tomorrow's New Meta
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Spartacus
And then you cry when the enemy team gets MR.
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Nocturne is AD anyway. Kog'maw is built straight AD most of the time now. That should be enough to discourage the enemy from stacking MR at the expense of armor, and Void Staff is practically core for AP carries facing any serious amounts of magic resistance. And Cho is valuable for AoE CC and bulk. And Feast. Which also isn't affected by MR.
The real problem is the lack of any way to keep Kog'maw alive in laning phase.
Edit: Rereading earlier discussion, it occurs to me that I'm apparently building Galio really weird. I go Mercs --> Rod of Ages --> 2xNegatron Cloak --> Thornmail --> Force of Nature & Abyssal Scepter in either order.
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Re: League of Legends XXIV: Today's Noob Strat, Tomorrow's New Meta
In a typing mood today, so my opinions on Shyvana.
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First Impressions
Tanky deeps ftw much? First glance makes me think that this will be a very hard champion to balance, just because of the variety of stuff that she has. Listing it out now:
1) A readily available nuke that prolongs your ult
2) A movespeed steroid that also like hurting things around you a lot (510 magic damage at max level and duration, ignoring mitigation and bonuses, which would probably drop it to around 400 or so).
3) A slightly less great nuke that increases her damage output by a bit
4) A decent additional passive, but then a "Get out of jail free" card as well as a "I just summoned Exodia so now you're going to die" card. Good building of Shyvana would probably mean that she is pretty damn tanky in dragon form getting around 1200 free gold at level 11 from activation of the ult, and that's excluding the massive teamfight presence that her skills now suddenly bring. Very good nuke as well. No CD is shown on the wiki, but I'm going to assume it has a reasonably long cd as I'm hoping Riot didn't make the mistake of making the fury gain the only cap to the CD. Good building would also allow her to keep this up for the majority of a teamfight too.
Individual skill analysis:
Q- Riot's essentially gone up to renek and given him the finger for all intents and purposes. Much more damage output in a much shorter period of time means that Shyvana can fill her role very well as an AD carry or offtank, and the loss of a stun isn't so damaging to her as she has two chasing mechanisms anyway. Short cd and applying on hit effects on both hits gives way to interesting builds that suit her perfectly. Possibly the reason why she is going to be called OP (and that's not counting the cleave in dragon form).
W- Very good sprint skill and good damage if engaging for a long period of time as well. Helps deter chasers as well in dragon form, and probably will get you out of most situations if they don't have enough hard CC or heavy slows to slow you down enough. IMO the most balanced skill. (does the sprint always last for 3 seconds though?)
E- Underwhelming skill at first sight, but greater appreciation of it makes you realise that it synergises with black cleaver pretty well (seeing as percentage reduction actually comes before flat). However, that's really it. In dragon form it really synergises nicely with the cleave on Q, but overall it's a pretty weak skill IMO. However, Talon, Renek and Wukong squeal at AoE percentage armor reduction.
R- See above.
Role is most definately tanky dps
Build
Obviously on-hit is the build of choice. The most effective core would probably be Wriggle's+Merc's, as it gives her good survivability as well as giving her very good sustain in lane, which allows her to farm a lot to complete her relatively expensive extended core. This consists of getting Wit's End and a Bloodrazor, promptly coming to a total of 8600 ugandian dollars gold, slightly higher than that of most other offtanks, but lower than that of most true carries. Although this is expensive, it does mean that you're getting 95 bonus Armour and 75 bonus magic resist along with all of the attack speed and damage that you get, which is pretty neat tbh (assuming ult is on with level 2 ult). Probably means that she will get her extended core slightly later than other champs of the same role (nearing the point where she will be getting level 3 ult?), but it would be worth it, being able to burn off 12% of someone's max HP in the space of 1.5 autoattacks, which is ridiculously fast with 80% bonus attack speed. The fast autoattack rate means she'll be able to keep her ult up for longer as well. Last few items will probably include a frozen mallet, with last slot going to atma's, bloodthirster, black cleaver or trinity.
Runes and Masteries
Arpen reds, Health per level yellows, magic resist per level blues and Arpen, health or movespeed quints
Anything will probably work on her mastery-wise, but I would go 9-0-21, so that it's slightly easier to kill things with her skills earlier, as well as getting increased CDR.
Ideal summoners would be a combination of Flash, Ghost and Exhaust. Ignite is acceptable but meh.
Final thoughts
Shyvana is going to be at least a pretty decent champion, and she's certainly going to be fun to play. However, it is concerning about how balanced the champion really is in comparison to other champs, but we'll see how this plays out.
As always these are only my opinions, nothing more.
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Re: League of Legends XXIV: Today's Noob Strat, Tomorrow's New Meta
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Psyborg
Edit: Rereading earlier discussion, it occurs to me that I'm apparently building Galio really weird. I go Mercs --> Rod of Ages --> 2xNegatron Cloak --> Thornmail --> Force of Nature & Abyssal Scepter in either order.
Yes, yes you are. More typical tank build is Chalice > Treads > BVeil > GA (with lots of players picking up Thornmail/Randuin's instead of the GA and Abyssal or FoN instead of the BVeil) and a more typical AP build (which I think is soooo much better now he got made OP again) would be Chailce > Treads > Hat > Abyssal
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Re: League of Legends XXIV: Today's Noob Strat, Tomorrow's New Meta
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Psyborg
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Nocturne is AD anyway. Kog'maw is built straight AD most of the time now. That should be enough to discourage the enemy from stacking MR at the expense of armor, and Void Staff is practically core for AP carries facing any serious amounts of magic resistance. And Cho is valuable for AoE CC and bulk. And Feast. Which also isn't affected by MR.
The real problem is the lack of any way to keep Kog'maw alive in laning phase.
Cho or malzahar can babysit Kog bot (Cho more effectively, of course), and nocturne can keep good pressure on top or mid if he does it right. But that would mean having a sub-optimal mid or top, but it works to some extent.
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Re: League of Legends XXIV: Today's Noob Strat, Tomorrow's New Meta
http://www.halolz.com/2011/10/28/vid...-to-master-yi/
Has this been linked yet? It's pretty awesome. I'm gonna play yi tonight, better watch out or you might get dunked.
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Re: League of Legends XXIV: Today's Noob Strat, Tomorrow's New Meta
So I have two level 19 friends that I really enjoy playing with. One of them really enjoys playing Zliean/Ryze/Graves and the other always has his heart set on playing Pantheon. The only problem is that they are terrible. And as they play the roles that are supposed to deal 60+% of our team's damage, it is quite difficult to win games with them. Now, I'm a passable player in all roles, but is there any way to help them aside from just playing a carry? I really enjoy playing support, which will get me and one of them through the laning phase, but leaves the other to his own devices (which usually means a lost lane). If I play a jungler or go by myself in another lane, again it typically results in a lost lane (I can only gank so much without making it a three man lane).
I really like playing with these guys, but I also really like winning. Any suggestions/good tutorials out there that would help these guys out? They are getting better and better at understanding how far out they can safely push, but beyond that they never know who to target in fights, how to build, how to effectively farm (during lane or otherwise), where to go, when to stay, or when to gtfo. I do my best to give them suggestions during the game, but I can't tell them what to do 100% of the time, especially if I'm in a different part of the map.
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Re: League of Legends XXIV: Today's Noob Strat, Tomorrow's New Meta
So, lately I've been trying Xin Zhao out, and I've really been loving it. Not had a chance to test him against actual players yet, but I've have been having fun with him. :smallsmile:
Current build:
1) Start with a pot and a Dagger.
2) Get Boots1 and upgrade to Berserker's Greaves.
3) Build a Zeal.
4) Black Cleaver (prioritising the B.F. Sword over the Dagger).
5) Pick up a Vamp Sceptre, then build it into a Bloodthirster.
6) Build the Zeal into a Phantom Dancer.
7) Infinity Edge.
8) Frozen Mallet.
As for skill order:
Grab 3 ranks in Q and 1 in W and E by Lv6.
Max Q, and level W to rank 3 by Lv11.
Max W, then finish off E.
Since I don't have Flash yet, I've been using Ignite/Exhaust (Instead of Ignite/Flash).
Masteries are going to be 21/0/9 eventually.
If anyone mains Xin as a laner (not quite ready to jungle yet since I don't have any runes), I'd appreciate any advice quite a bit.
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Re: League of Legends XXIV: Today's Noob Strat, Tomorrow's New Meta
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Originally Posted by
Dogmantra
Yes, yes you are. More typical tank build is Chalice > Treads > BVeil > GA (with lots of players picking up Thornmail/Randuin's instead of the GA and Abyssal or FoN instead of the BVeil) and a more typical AP build (which I think is soooo much better now he got made OP again) would be Chailce > Treads > Hat > Abyssal
Actually, a lot of people get don't bother with a Chalice and go straight Catalyst. Getting FoN/Frozen Heart is also popular. Some people also do a RoA/Frozen heart build.
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Re: League of Legends XXIV: Today's Noob Strat, Tomorrow's New Meta
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Dogmantra
Yes, yes you are. More typical tank build is Chalice > Treads > BVeil > GA (with lots of players picking up Thornmail/Randuin's instead of the GA and Abyssal or FoN instead of the BVeil) and a more typical AP build (which I think is soooo much better now he got made OP again) would be Chailce > Treads > Hat > Abyssal
He got made OP again? Wut? I just started playing Galio a week ago and it's not like I ever saw him around before that.
I'm very much not a fan of Banshee's on tanks, as The Bubble strongly and obviously discourages people who aren't Ryze from wasting an ability on you, and your job is to soak those. You should be doing everything you can to bait them, not discourage them. The same thing applies to Guardian Angel, albeit much less strongly.
Thornmail is too good to pass up on anyone with a taunt, and given the horrendous cooldown on my ult, I can't see considering anything else besides Frozen Heart for armor. So no Randuin's Omen for HP either.
Without Banshee's or Randuin's, I find I simply don't have enough HP to back up my resistances, and not enough mana to keep spamming through any reasonable-length seige. RoA gives me substantial bulk (increasing the benefit I get from Force of Nature and Baron buff), solves my mana problems for all practical purposes, and adds a bunch of AP to boot.
It doesn't get its resistances quite as quickly as your build, and it's likely less dominant in lane, as Chalice is stupidly cost-effective early-game.
On the other hand, HP-stacking tends to be more effective than resistances anyway up until the enemy carries finish Deathcap or IE+PD, and I have Bulwark for a free 90 armor and MR during my taunt (the rest of the time I'll cast it on my carry, of course). So I think RoA is stronger midgame.
I'll have to try the Chalice route again, though, now that I'm more comfortable with Galio in general. We'll see how it goes.
Edit: @toasty, above: Well, good to hear I'm not the only one after all. :smallcool:
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Re: League of Legends XXIV: Today's Noob Strat, Tomorrow's New Meta
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toasty
Galio can middle fine. Someday I swear I'm going to take Dog's Advice and play AP Galio.
Chogath top, AP Galio Middle, AD Jarvan Jungle, Alistair+Graves bottom.
Time to initiate Dyrus meta. :smallbiggrin:
Dyrus meta has Gangplank top, if not Singed.
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Originally Posted by
Daverin
Ah, at last, someone else I know besides me sees the light of lanelaf E! :smalltongue:
(Although I don't normally max it, instead just getting up to rank 2 or 3 and then focusing on Q.)
Which stats are you looking for the most from ghostblade? I kind of wonder if he couldn't make decent use of the black cleaver, but ghostblade does also include crit and an MS buff. Plus, bruta in lane...
efdf called Lanelaf about 6 months ago, except it never came to anything because he started playing Lee Sin instead.
If you don't want to close with the enemy laner (e.g. Singed, Rumble), maxing E lets you burst-harass them. If you do want to close with them and eat their burst while killing them (e.g. Xin Zhao), maxing Q lets you continue the engagement long after they wanted it to end (as I learned to my regret when I laned against efdf to test this, way back when).
Black Cleaver isn't a good rush item on Olaf, and late game you'd rather build Atma's. I'd core Brutalizer and Giant's Belt.
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Re: League of Legends XXIV: Today's Noob Strat, Tomorrow's New Meta
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Originally Posted by
TechnOkami
On the topic of theme teams: I recently discovered that Team Void actually exists. All you need is Void Nocturne (which is such an underrated skin) and then just add Malzabro, Kassadin, Cho, n' KogMaw!
Personally, I think Ravager Nocturne works better as a Void skin.
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Re: League of Legends XXIV: Today's Noob Strat, Tomorrow's New Meta
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Originally Posted by
Fredaintdead
So, lately I've been trying Xin Zhao out, and I've really been loving it. Not had a chance to test him against actual players yet, but I've have been having fun with him. :smallsmile:
Current build:
1) Start with a pot and a Dagger.
2) Get Boots1 and upgrade to Berserker's Greaves.
3) Build a Zeal.
4) Black Cleaver (prioritising the B.F. Sword over the Dagger).
5) Pick up a Vamp Sceptre, then build it into a Bloodthirster.
6) Build the Zeal into a Phantom Dancer.
7) Infinity Edge.
8) Frozen Mallet.
As for skill order:
Grab 3 ranks in Q and 1 in W and E by Lv6.
Max Q, and level W to rank 3 by Lv11.
Max W, then finish off E.
Since I don't have Flash yet, I've been using Ignite/Exhaust (Instead of Ignite/Flash).
Masteries are going to be 21/0/9 eventually.
If anyone mains Xin as a laner (not quite ready to jungle yet since I don't have any runes), I'd appreciate any advice quite a bit.
Generally this is a lot more squishy DPS than I'd build on him, but at low levels it'll work great. I'd probably build Randuin's or BVeil instead of Black Cleaver--or go straight Atmog's, depending.
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Re: League of Legends XXIV: Today's Noob Strat, Tomorrow's New Meta
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Dogmantra
They do work with spellvamp. It's just that DoTs and AoEs only give you 35% of the health you'd get back.
You're probably thinking of Rylai's; both get reduced by AOEs, Rylai's is reduced by Dots, Vamp *should* get full effect on Dots.
Both have some inconsistencies though, such as:
Mordekaiser Q does bonus damage to single targets, but always counts as AOE. Brand E only does AOE damage if the target is on fire, but always counts as AOE. Karthus Q does bonus damage to single targets, AND COUNTS AS A SINGLE TARGET SPELL if you do so, receiving full Vamp and Slow.
Cass Twin Fang applies reduced Rylais for "balance purposes", but receives normal vamp (it's basically flagged as a Dot). Vlad used to have this, but was removed when they nerfed the cooldown on Transfusion. Karthus again is unaffected, applying full slow every second when properly striking single targets. (not calling him imba, just surprised that he's so unique)
Last I checked, Teemo shrooms apply AOE rylais and zero vamp, and Toxic Shot applies neither. Cho'gath's Vorpal Spikes apply both AOE (was specifically added). TF W, TF E, Jax W, Jax R apply full both. Orianna and Rumble passive apply neither (Rumble's was specifically removed). Shen Passive receives full Rylai, so it probably receives full vamp as well. Morde Ghost autoattacks receive both (since it is coded to count as HIS spell damage for his shield, unlike normal pets like Heimer turret). etc etc etc
TLDR: Malz *should* have the following:
Q: reduced Rylai, reduced Vamp
W: reduced Rylai, reduced Vamp
E: reduced Rylai, FULL Vamp
R: reduced Rylai, FULL Vamp
Passive: pretty sure it applies neither (like Heimer).
And again, some of these could have been stealthpatched, and there's a bunch I'm not sure how they work (like Leona; anyone know offhand if her passive applies Rylais when autoattacked by a teammate? o_0 ).
Aaand that's probably more than you wanted to know. Especially if any of it is currently wrong. ~_~
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Re: League of Legends XXIV: Today's Noob Strat, Tomorrow's New Meta
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Originally Posted by
Math_Mage
Generally this is a lot more squishy DPS than I'd build on him, but at low levels it'll work great. I'd probably build Randuin's or BVeil instead of Black Cleaver--or go straight Atmog's, depending.
Yeah, I've noticed I'm rather squishy while playing.
Pretty much been using this guide:
http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-le...station-127407
*shrugs*
So you'd recommend changing it from:
Berskerker, Cleaver, Bloodthirster, Phantom, IE and Mallet
For:
Berserker, Randuin's, Bloodthirster, Phantom, IE and Mallet.
Or would you build Randuin's Omen later in the build?
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Re: League of Legends XXIV: Today's Noob Strat, Tomorrow's New Meta
No, it's a lot that I did want to know, only a bit of which did I already know. I'll have to check again, though...I literally didn't see any noticeable regen off of Malz's E when I tried spellvamp on him. I may not have been paying close enough attention. Requires further research. :smallconfused:
Edit: Also, it's totally unfair that Jax's on-hit magic damage (and TF's, and Teemo's poison, and so on and so forth) get spellvamp and Kog'maw's W doesn't. Would go a long way toward making on-hit Kog viable lategame.
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Re: League of Legends XXIV: Today's Noob Strat, Tomorrow's New Meta
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Psyborg
He got made OP again? Wut? I just started playing Galio a week ago and it's not like I ever saw him around before that.
Oh, so basically, on release (first new champion to come out after I started playing) everyone called him a worse version of Amumu, then a while later, people realised his numbers were obscene (his ratios were so good that because of his passive he could build as a straight tank and still do as much damage as a burst mage, plus AoE to Win was the current meta, where he had a field day). He basically got nerfed into mediocrity, they started giving him some token buffs (five damage, here, extra speed boost there), but the real kicker came recently when they buffed his ultimate to 50% damage reduction from 30%. I maintain this, combined with a lot of usability changes (they made Smite easier to land, his ult's a tad larger, things like that) has made him more OP than he was, since apart from anything else I personally think he has enough natural tankiness when it matters that AP Galio is much much better than Tank Galio.
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Psyborg
I'm very much not a fan of Banshee's on tanks, as The Bubble strongly and obviously discourages people who aren't Ryze from wasting an ability on you, and your job is to soak those. You should be doing everything you can to bait them, not discourage them. The same thing applies to Guardian Angel, albeit much less strongly.
BVeil's just a very efficient defensive item, the extra health also adds a bit of tankiness via your two damage reduction skills, but the big huge major reason is that there are so many interrupts that are autoattack buffs or a bit slow, it saves you from being broken straight out of your ultimate. Another reason is you're so dependent on Flash to initiate that it stops someone with good reactions CCing you straight after you blow it, before you blow your ult. Guardian Angel is a nice pick on him 'cause it's an armour item which has some scaling on it for you.
(Also suffice to say that the idea of a tank as a damage soak is somewhat outdated, there are plenty of ways to soak damage, and what a tank would bring over tanky dps is initiation)
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Psyborg
Thornmail is too good to pass up on anyone with a taunt, and given the horrendous cooldown on my ult, I can't see considering anything else besides Frozen Heart for armor.
Thornmail really doesn't do any damage that people particularly care about, since any competent carry will see you have it and get some Lifesteal and MR to counter it, with everyone else either being tanky enough or having such bad autoattacks they can ignore it. If you want damage + armour, I feel like Hourglass or Guardian Angel is much more reliable, as they also add damage to your other spells, and healing to Bulwark.
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Psyborg
So no Randuin's Omen for HP either.
You don't get Randuin's for the HP, you get it to counter Tenacity. Popping Randuin's just before your ult stops most people from getting out of the damage from your ult even if they break free early due to Tenacity.
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Psyborg
It doesn't get its resistances quite as quickly as your build, and it's likely less dominant in lane, as Chalice is stupidly cost-effective early-game.
You say "my build" like I approve of it. It's my old tank Galio build, but like I said, I think tank Galio is a complete waste of time now. Tanky AP, sure but not straight tank.
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Re: League of Legends XXIV: Today's Noob Strat, Tomorrow's New Meta
Good build for Malz? Just a generic Mage build?
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Re: League of Legends XXIV: Today's Noob Strat, Tomorrow's New Meta
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Qwertystop
Good build for Malz? Just a generic Mage build?
What I've been running:
Boots + Potions
Catalyst
Hat
BVeil (this is to stop people breaking you out of your ult)
Void Staff/Rylai's/More Hats
Generic defensive if need be (including tanky AP items)
Worked pretty dang well so far. Replace the BVeil with Shurelia's if Dominion.