Exactly, It wouldn't hurt him or be lethal, so he had absolutely no reason to retaliate with lethal force.
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Falconlady had no way of knowing that it wouldn't hurt. So she was evil. Furthermore, he finds death as not all that bad a punishment for torture if your death is quick, which he TRIED to make it. He could've easily failed.
This is KETHAM'S train of thought, not mine. Mine is just that it was easier to draw (and a lot less cruel) than my first idea. Which occurs in LFG. As one of Richard's actions.
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Yes, but it was still Nonlethal. It may hurt a whole bunch to people besides Ketham, but it won't kill them. That is the point I was trying to make. She is a member of a group called the League of Heroes, and she was using nonlethal force. Yeah, that just screams evil.
Y'know, for a guy who has powers based on compassion, Ketham sure hasn't shown much of it.
And yeah, writing your character who has powers based on compassion using Richard for inspiration may not be the best idea. Writing any non-evil character based on Richard is probably a bad idea.Quote:
Mine is just that it was easier to draw (and a lot less cruel) than my first idea. Which occurs in LFG. As one of Richard's actions.
She WAS using lethal force - you don't knock someone through a steel floor by hugging them tightly.
Also he finds torture worse than murder.
Aeldra's manual told her (and by extension Ketham, since he just skimmed his manual) that the place they were in was the lantern's base. Said place was filled with the league of hero's robots, which threw them out and straight down to a planet. Be honest - the league had absolutely zero reason to assume they could survive the fall.
Besides, the Mace was a pun. on hawkgirl's actual MACE :smalltongue:
Being compassionate doesn't mean you're not a brutal fighter. It just means you don't fight as a first resort. Which he didn't. Remember 'maybe we can try and reason with it'?Quote:
Y'know, for a guy who has powers based on compassion, Ketham sure hasn't shown much of it.
Granted that was Aeldra's idea. But he went along with it.
Also? You're basing this on ONE fight.
I was getting inspiration for spells, not character traits. Ketham's a necromancer.Quote:
And yeah, writing your character who has powers based on compassion using Richard for inspiration may not be the best idea. Writing any non-evil character based on Richard is probably a bad idea.
Really, being compassionate doesn't mean you aren't a brutal fighter? The entire shtick that the indigo Lanterns have is that they are at one with all life in the universe and work to protect it. Having killing someone as your second plan doesn't seem very caring for life.
And that's why I will be putting you in time out :smalltongue:
John Wayne's a good guy. He's also an ahole.
Maybe you haven't noticed this but Ketham isn't very bright. Moreover, he's a necromancer. He has the violet ring mostly because an event in his backstory compels him to do good whenever he can.Quote:
The entire shtick that the indigo Lanterns have is that they are at one with all life in the universe and work to protect it. Having killing someone as your second plan doesn't seem very caring for life.
And that's why I will be putting you in time out :smalltongue:
I considered just putting a wall on it's own midway through that comic but it was more than a little confusing.
Also, you seem to have ignored the part about how you're basing this on one fight, and the whole retribution thing (quid pro quo and all that crap)
Hey HT, Ketham is an Elf, correct?
I honestly reckon Zexion's character was the more evil of the two, seeing as even a lot of soldiers won't kill surrendering men.
Well, she comes from an incredibly Lawful community, where everyone is... conditioned to follow the law, not abuse the cycle of nature, follow their Community Elder-assigned timetables, etc, to the extent that the most rebellious acts that teenage elves commit is not talking to their parents at Family Information Sharing. :smallbiggrin:
Just to clarify, I'm not saying what she did was Good, I'm saying that it seemed logical to her, and that nobody told her not to kill people who surrendered.
He made a wall of spikes that Falconlady would have easily been able to dodge if she'd been aiming to INJURE not kill. Didn't i say that already?
Furthermore, Rae, you are completely ignoring a LOT of details. Let's see...
1) The league of heroes previously threw them out of the station and straight to the earth-like planet below, a fall that frankly you shouldn't be able to FINISH, let alone survive.
2) You're judging by a SINGLE action of each character their entire personas.
3) Ketham never attacked Falconlady or her unarmed friend until AFTER he was slammed into the floor below.
4) The main reason you're assuming the characters we've killed are good guys is because they're parodies of good guys, something our characters don't know.
Yes.
Really, because I'd say that a wall of spikes spawning approximately a foot below you while you are flying downward would be hard to dodge while moving at any speeds, what with having to overcome gravity and all.
Like how that they would know you had very high durability from the fact that you survived a fall to the ground from space? Or the fact that you attacked falcon lady and her unarmed friend with absolutely no warning? Or the fact that he could have simply summoned a wall without spikes and resolved the conflict with nonlethal force? Or the possibility that they were able to recognize a Lantern's ability and know that it would take normally lethal force to stop them? Or the fact that Rae himself would have no prior knowledge of how you two killed them and only know that you two had killed members of the League of Heroes in particularly brutal ways?Quote:
Furthermore, Rae, you are completely ignoring a LOT of details. Let's see...
I'm just wondering which details I've overlooked that make your actions any more good.
Okay, so these are the reasons you are giving me. I'll answer these individually.Quote:
1) The league of heroes previously threw them out of the station and straight to the earth-like planet below, a fall that frankly you shouldn't be able to FINISH, let alone survive.
2) You're judging by a SINGLE action of each character their entire personas.
3) Ketham never attacked Falconlady or her unarmed friend until AFTER he was slammed into the floor below.
4) The main reason you're assuming the characters we've killed are good guys is because they're parodies of good guys, something our characters don't know.
1) You are apparently assuming that the League of Heroes had no way of knowing that Ketham and Aeldra had no way to survive that fall, despite the fact that it is entirely reasonable to assume that they saw you two, oh, I don't know, flying through space to get to the station.
2) As I have said, first impressions are everything. I am not judging their personae, I am in fact taking what I know and what Rae knows and deciding, based on the personality I have given him, what his actions will be. Staying in character is a very important thing to me.
3) Yes, but Ketham attacked them before he was hit through the floor and they had no reason to assume that he wouldn't do so again. Which he did, you know, with the spiked wall?
4) No, the main reason I am assuming that they are good is because they are members of a group called the League of Heroes. And Rae resides on the planet that their station orbits, so is it not safe to assume that he would have heard of their exploits in heroism?
I never specified how close it was to the Flying chick. when it was spawned.
The fall they never actually saw? Or even their faces, really, since the robots were the ones that evicted them?Quote:
Like how that they would know you had very high durability from the fact that you survived a fall to the ground from space?
He burst through the wall without warning. Falconlady hit him first. I thought that was pretty clear from the fact there was no intravening event between giving condolences for having his clothes stolen and being smashed into the ground a floor below.Quote:
Or the fact that you attacked falcon lady and her unarmed friend with absolutely no warning?
Would've killed her anyway. Only more slowly.Quote:
Or the fact that he could have simply summoned a wall without spikes and resolved the conflict with nonlethal force?
So Ketham is stupid. Doesn't make him evil.Quote:
Or the possibility that they were able to recognize a Lantern's ability and know that it would take normally lethal force to stop them?
See, problem with that is he didn't see the murders themselves. He knows they're dead, doesn't know why they were killed that way.Quote:
Or the fact that Rae himself would have no prior knowledge of how you two killed them and only know that you two had killed members of the League of Heroes in particularly brutal ways?
I was going for neutral. i'm just explaining his line of thinking. Along with the four things above that i edited in, apparently after you started writing your post =/Quote:
I'm just wondering which details I've overlooked that make your actions any more good.
And I have now edited in responses to the four things you edited into your post.
And a response to a certain part of the post above me.
You see, it wasn't clear. I had assumed from the "that... proves... nothing..." Line that he had hit The Batman guy with the blast that he used to get through the wall.
How do you know Rae has never heard of them? This is a community driven comic, with us deciding the actions of our own characters, and if I say that Rae has heard of them, unless you have, in a comic, given a reason why this would be impossible, It will be true.
And for the last time Rae is a guy... :smallannoyed:
Also, Aeldra is bound by denim, not an energy construct.
That's two completely different things and you KNOW it >.>
I'm not disparaging rae's actions. I'm trying to explain Kethams, because apparently you think he's evil.Quote:
2) As I have said, first impressions are everything. I am not judging their personae, I am in fact taking what I know and what Rae knows and deciding, based on the personality I have given him, what his actions will be. Staying in character is a very important thing to me.
You have absolutely no reason to assume so.Quote:
3) Yes, but Ketham attacked them before he was hit through the floor and they had no reason to assume that he wouldn't do so again. Which he did, you know, with the spiked wall?
Are you honestly telling me that a group can't be evil and name themselves something good? Really? :smallannoyed:Quote:
4) No, the main reason I am assuming that they are good is because they are members of a group called the League of Heroes. And Rae resides on the planet that their station orbits, so is it not safe to assume that he would have heard of their exploits in heroism?
Ketham responded with force whose lethality was determined by how lethal Falconlady intended to be. That's his view.
Fair enough.
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And for the last time Rae is a guy... :smallannoyed:
Sorry. I suppose Aeldra doesn't know that, though...
That wasn't really specified, but I'll fix it in the next comic.Quote:
Also, Aeldra is bound by denim, not an energy construct.
She had Falcon wings, any distance she couldn't avoid it at lethal speed (ignoring that plentyu of heroes are able to change direction in a nanosecond at lethal speeds) she would be unlikely to avoid at all.
Robots usually record what they see, they're like moving security cams :3
Besides, blame the robots for throwing you out then :smallamused:
What would you do if someone broke your wall and yelled 'Yippie-yay ****es'?
You'd be surprised what you can live through, a wall to the face is far less likely to kill than one with pointy bits on it.
Of course it doesn't, it just makes his actions evil.
By the way, the yellow bus vs. Lupo will be up tomorrow when I have coloured it :smallbiggrin:
Yeah, I'm just going to throw out there that Ketham has so far come across rather strongly as Neutral Evil more than simply Neutral.