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Why didn't Flair know it was a dragon.
Why didn't Flair see Atlas Flame and go "HEY, I remember that"
Like...ANYTHING to foreshadow it, maybe? Also why does fire revive Atlas Flame from death? Does that mean covering Zirconis in naked bodies will revive HIM from death? Did he become the Eternal Flame because of Natsu? But then...paradox...
And why is Atlas Flame such a stupid name.
Covered this before.
Presumably, she didn't realize the whole 'flame mountain' thing was not, in fact, the actual Eternal Flame.
Ergo, she's never seen Atlas Flame before, and would have no reason to recognize him.
Dragon Slayers heal by eating their elements. It logically follows that the Dragons themselves also heal by eating their elements. Natsu fed a Fire dragon a huge Fire technique - generating a massive heal.
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Covered this before.
Presumably, she didn't realize the whole 'flame mountain' thing was not, in fact, the actual Eternal Flame.
Ergo, she's never seen Atlas Flame before, and would have no reason to recognize him.
Dragon Slayers heal by eating their elements. It logically follows that the Dragons themselves also heal by eating their elements. Natsu fed a Fire dragon a huge Fire technique - generating a massive heal.
Okay, I get it. And Wendy DID say that Atlas Flame wasn't DEAD, so I can give that he wasn't full on resurrected and such.
It just...seems really silly, I guess. Maybe the DBZ beam spam has something to do with it.
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From a previous bit about Flare recognizing Atlas Flambe... where was anyone from Raven Tail during the dragon attack? Or have I just forgotten them.
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maybe we are dealing with a Pratchett fan here hwo once reasoned that the big, great dragons in the world moved into another dimension, using hteir magic nature. So, they are kind of there and not there... And ofcourse that means Natsu can break the barrier between dimensions by brute force ruling with fire...
So in effect he Natsu'd it?:smallwink:
Wasn't Ravenclaw under arrest at the time the dragon gate stuff came up?
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Nothing that says she was in a position to actually know anything that happened afterwards save where she was working before she returned to that village was there?
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I will agree... yeah, it is kind of weird... I guess Atlas might have been living inside the giant flame? I'd assume Flare would have said something if she knew what it was about... and even Atlas wouldn't be the size of a mountain, I think...
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So in effect he Natsu'd it?:smallwink:
Uhm... I don't get it? :smallredface: "Not sued?" "Not suit"? Or isn't it a pun?
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Wasn't Ravenclaw under arrest at the time the dragon gate stuff came up?
Okay, it took me a moment to realize you did not mean Ravenclaw... You didn't, right? They were named Raventail, right? My brain is not messing things up again(?)
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Nothing that says she was in a position to actually know anything that happened afterwards save where she was working before she returned to that village was there?
Again... I... can't follow. What's wrong with my brain?
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I will agree... yeah, it is kind of weird... I guess Atlas might have been living inside the giant flame? I'd assume Flare would have said something if she knew what it was about... and even Atlas wouldn't be the size of a mountain, I think...
Uhm... I don't get it? :smallredface: "Not sued?" "Not suit"? Or isn't it a pun?
Okay, it took me a moment to realize you did not mean Ravenclaw... You didn't, right? They were named Raventail, right? My brain is not messing things up again(?)
Again... I... can't follow. What's wrong with my brain?
Actually not necessarily true. Atlas doesn't need to be the mountain itself, he just needs to be the spark that ignited it.
There are several 'eternal flames' currently in existence today.
Probably most famous, and visually impressive, is the 'Door to Hell' in Turkey, a bit of information located HERE.
While not technically natural since it was purposefully ignited in an attempt to burn off a natural gas deposit, the entire crater has been burning without interference since 1971.
So Atlas Flame would have been the spark that ignited the mountain initially, then just chilled out asleep in his burning pad until somebody stopped the fire and woke him up.
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Did not see that coming but it makes a decent amount of sense.
Also for Flare not realizing it was a dragon... to be fair Atlas Flame STILL really doesn't look like a dragon to me. He could reasonably pull off a disguise of being a mountain spirit or whatever. Still I think it is likely Atlas Flame was simply sleeping/hibernating and the flame from Natsu paired with the fact that he recognized the fire woke him up.
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Probably most famous, and visually impressive, is the 'Door to Hell' in Turkey, a bit of information located
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Probably the most famous "eternal flame" would be Kennedy's grave in Arlington since that has pop cultural mass in a very populous country.
Though various natural and unnatural wonders are certainly more impressive. :smallwink:
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Probably the most famous "eternal flame" would be Kennedy's grave in Arlington since that has pop cultural mass in a very populous country.
Though various natural and unnatural wonders are certainly more impressive. :smallwink:
What if I told you that's the first time I hear of that, maybe because... well, I'm not American.
Ignoring the fact that "eternal flame" can at best mean something that's been burning as long as humans have recorded history... I'd wager the oldest/most famous flame of the kind would be the olympic flame, though I guess this is kind of a strange case.
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Probably the most famous "eternal flame" would be Kennedy's grave in Arlington since that has pop cultural mass in a very populous country.
Though various natural and unnatural wonders are certainly more impressive. :smallwink:
That is totally artificial - and a massive amount of American's don't even know what it is, despite being on the back of the dime. Seriously, ask 10 people if they know what is on the back of the dime.
In this case, Door to Hell is probably the best example of an eternal flame that was ignited artificially (like I assume Atlas Flame ignited the mountain), but then kept burning without any help for decades.
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That is totally artificial - and a massive amount of American's don't even know what it is, despite being on the back of the dime. Seriously, ask 10 people if they know what is on the back of the dime.
No bet I know they wont. The mere asking (if nothing else) scrambles the thoughts to beyond recall even though they probably "know" the general idea somewhere in their head. What we do not need to know we don't quickly recall.
I'd not expect people to remember who's face is on a lot of money without actually pulling it out. Nevermind the backside. Quick what's the 1st Treasury Secretary on?! (Did you have to think for a second?)
And how much do you think people know any of these?
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So in effect he
Natsu'd it?:smallwink:
Wasn't Ravenclaw under arrest at the time the dragon gate stuff came up?
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Nothing that says she was in a position to actually know anything that happened afterwards save where she was working before she returned to that village was there?
I think the brute force rule is older then FT :smallamused: But it is entirely within reson to calling it Natsu'd
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So... Atlas Flame is still dead but Milky Way brought him back. But he is alive enough to melt the town. Minerva is running and what the effing hell has possessed Erza to believe there is even a shred of good in her?!
And we get new magic... Devil Slaying! Or Demon Slaying! Does that mean devils/demons are more powerful than gods in FT? Well... okay.
And the face of the evil(?) (but handsome) exorcist who freezes a city because he believes a dragon is a demon. Well, I guess Atlas Flame does look pretty suspicious. Still going somewhat overboard there.
And E.N.D. the evil magic Igneel tried to destroy 400 years ago. And yeah, I see how this fuels the "Natsu is Igneel" conspiracy... We'll have to see where it goes. AF could have really first explained stuff and then sacrificed himself but whatever.
Though.. dies this mean AF was still around recently? I'm not quite sure on that.
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The major issue here is that Wendy said she felt something still alive where the flame was. This chapter COMPLETELY contradicts this by saying that he's not actually alive he's being revived by Milky Way. ARE WE TO ASSUME that...Natsu KILLS Atlas Flame with that burst of firey explosions, and Wendy timed it with her Milky Way to make Natsu look better?
Because that's how I'm reading into it.
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Uhm... really, I'd put it down to sloppy translation/choice of words. As in "there is still something" or "the memories are still there/alive".
Yeah it leads to... confusion but I'm sure Natsu can't possibly kill a flame by throwing fire at it.
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Yeah, that seems most likely.
You know, that aside, this was a good chapter. It had nice build up. The lizard dude didn't have to specify he was the Ice Devil Slayer since...we could of easily told. And he seems like an interesting guy, though it feels like we're supposed to know who he is already.
I'm calling the grave he's visiting is Ur's grave.
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So, is it just the art being what it is, or am i the only one thinking that new guy looks a lot like an older version of Grey?
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So, is it just the art being what it is, or am i the only one thinking that new guy looks a lot like an older version of Grey?
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It's the art being what it is AND ALSO he looks like an older Grey. That's my thoughts on it anyway.
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So, is it just the art being what it is, or am i the only one thinking that new guy looks a lot like an older version of Grey?
Ahem... Grey I am your father!
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You know, I put it down to Hiro's art style but... maybe? More time travel?! Or Maybe Ultear's daddy? (Or did Ul give birth without... Wait, would that make Ultear Anakin?)
Ahem... yeah, might be Ul. Though, does she even have a grave? It coulbe anyone, really.. Oh, maybe they put up a grave for Ultear and she's visiting his daughter's grave.
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I think the best evidence is the simplest. The name.
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I think the best evidence is the simplest. The name.
...okay so what you're implying is that he's Musica, right? Just so we're on the same page?
Or am I missing something?
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I'm implying that our Ice Demon Slayer named Silver is Grey's father.
And that the town at the end is the ruins of Grey's hometown.
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I'm implying that our Ice Demon Slayer named Silver is Grey's father.
And that the town at the end is the ruins of Grey's hometown.
Aaah, I see it. That could work, yeah. It's totally going to happen.
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Yeah, were my initial thoughts as well, and it also fits with the crusade against devils, if his wife and kid were killed by Delora.
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Uhm... I don't get it? :smallredface: "Not sued?" "Not suit"? Or isn't it a pun?
A failed pun at that!:smallredface:
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Okay, it took me a moment to realize you did not mean Ravenclaw... You didn't, right? They were named Raventail, right? My brain is not messing things up again?
D'oh!!!:smallredface:
My mistake!
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Aaah, I see it. That could work, yeah. It's totally going to happen.
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Yeah, were my initial thoughts as well, and it also fits with the crusade against devils, if his wife and kid were killed by Delora.
Strictly speaking an older brother would work just as well. Other strong possibility would be Ur's husband and Ultear's father.
Its past certain he's going to have some very personal connection to Grey though.
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New chapter.
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So, looks like we're transitioning to Wizard Vs Demon fights.
It also looks like they could be opening the door to something like 'Zeref was actually a good wizard, and the one that sealed us in the first place, and you morons let us out!'
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I know it's probably just me but it seemed like Hiro did more very fanservice-y shots this chapter than usually.
Otherwise... the Giants are celebrating (is it just me or do they all appear to be male? :smallconfused:) and the whole story basically served just to set up the new conflict with Tartaros.
And Minerva will probably return soon with a massive power-up by Harpy-Lady.
I guess Olinser might actually be right about what was going on but I do wonder how they could have gotten history this wrong.
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What's Tartaros again?
Also, you're right, they did a few extra fan service-y scenes this time. Which we totally needed during a heartfelt moment of being accepted by her family. Thanks Hiro.