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Re: Erfworld 127 The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 115
I was wondering what that cloud of bats in 114 was up to, it was definitely strange. It didn't occur to me that it might be a veiled dwagon, though.
So was Stanley right to run away? Or should he have taken advantage of surprise to hit Jillian or finish off Caesar? I guess Jack probably wouldn't have been happy with the former. As it is, though, Stanley will have no chance at all in a future engagement, especially if they manage to find him on their turn.
So is all of Erfworld a massive duel of subtleties between Jack and Wanda? She had the upper hand for a while, by getting him into that link, but now he has Stanley's ear.
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Re: Erfworld 127 The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 115
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Ragn Charran
The KISS knights aren't warlords AFAIK, they're just different kinds of units.
Points of interest.
1. Readers were happy or disappointed with the last scene, but there was not even speculation that it was faked. There is the genius. The best distraction is one that is not even questioned.
2. Since 114 panel 3 never happened, it shows that Jack knew about the nut thing, otherwise he wouldn't have been able to make the illusion.
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Re: Erfworld 127 The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 115
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Gez
In other, more disappointing news, the Transylvito warlady with the red shirt is still alive.
Uh, how is that disappointing? She hasn't had any lines or actions that would get on anyone's nerves.
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Re: Erfworld 127 The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 115
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DevilDan
Stacks with surviving KISS warlords (though we have no reason to believe there are any left) can still choose to not engage.
Not warlords, as Stanley's only current warlord is Parson.
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Re: Erfworld 127 The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 115
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Face Of Evil
Hey, I just noticed that Jillian dumped the wig. :smallbiggrin:
Heh, that fell off in 114. Didn't notice until you pointed it out. I love the details in this comic.
I guess Stanley is heading back to Gobwin Knob now, given he can't get to Faq without flying back through the ambush hex (and much of his original plan for Faq must have relied on secrecy anyway).
I suppose Jack will pass on Parsons message?
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Re: Erfworld 127 The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 115
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DevilDan
I love this! Also, I want to see Faq rebuild itself by magic when Stanley's next turn arrives
I wouldn't get too excited. It's probably a similar effect to personal hygiene and ration distribution: a *pop* and a flash of light, and it's done.
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Re: Erfworld 127 The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 115
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Jeivar
Uh, how is that disappointing? She hasn't had any lines or actions that would get on anyone's nerves.
I suppose because it fails to adhere to The Holy Trope(tm), which as this entire board knows is what makes a story unutterably fabulous. :smallwink:
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Re: Erfworld 127 The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 115
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Godskook
Not warlords, as Stanley's only current warlord is Parson.
True, Stanley only presents Parson to five warlords at the start. Most, if not all, were lost in the fracas over the lake. I misspoke: maybe the Knights have the leadership trait.
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Caledonian
I wouldn't get too excited. It's probably a similar effect to personal hygiene and ration distribution: a *pop* and a flash of light, and it's done.
Bummer. You're probably right.
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Re: Erfworld 127 The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 115
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Occasional Sage
I suppose because it fails to adhere to The Holy Trope(tm), which as this entire board knows is what makes a story unutterably fabulous. :smallwink:
What's the Holy Trope thing you're talking about?
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Re: Erfworld 127 The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 115
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The Rose Dragon
What's the Holy Trope thing you're talking about?
Star Trek, the guys with redshirts used to get croaked a lot. Haven't you noticed one of those in the list of GK warlords?
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Re: Erfworld 127 The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 115
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Oslecamo
Except that as the dwagon exits the hex his armor isn't half destroyed like we saw with the illusionary dragon.
Like I said, they didn't really do that much damage, and given the insane armour on that dwagon that would make sense. Hence the dwagon leaving the hex has no apparent significant damage despite taking a hit from the much weaker gwiffon and a hit from Jillian in a place not really visible in that frame (the underbelly).
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Re: Erfworld 127 The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 115
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teratorn
Star Trek, the guys with redshirts used to get croaked a lot. Haven't you noticed one of those in the list of GK warlords?
Ensign Redshirt, you mean? I thought you had to be named Ensign to fall into that trope.
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Re: Erfworld 127 The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 115
I think Stanley can't promote Gobwins to warlords because they are not part of his tribe, they are just allies.
Just a idea: Dwagon-warlords :smallbiggrin:
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Re: Erfworld 127 The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 115
Jill and Vinnie are lucky the Tool didn't just waited for at the border of the hex to croak them and then skedaddle to safety before the rest would have caught up (who had just received the order to fan out and many could still been seen fighting heavily with the remaining dwagons).
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Re: Erfworld 127 The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 115
[QUOTE=DevilDan;5111795]True, Stanley only presents Parson to five warlords at the start. Most, if not all, were lost in the fracas over the lake. I misspoke: maybe the Knights have the leadership trait.
I think only 3 of the warlords were used in the raid and in the following fight over the lake.
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Re: Erfworld 127 The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 115
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The Rose Dragon
Ensign Redshirt, you mean? I thought you had to be named Ensign to fall into that trope.
I dub her "Ensignora Redshirt". :smalltongue:
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Re: Erfworld 127 The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 115
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MythicFox
The main thing that comes to mind when reading this one is...
"Jack is that good, and Stanley
thought the best place for him is operating a friggin'
hologram table? GAH!"
Well, yes, because with that, it gives Wanda the ability to make strategy, and the Tool the ability to watch Wanda. Also, Eyebooks. Later, it gives Parson the ability to make Dragon Donuts. XD Given the limitation on veils, and since Gobwin Knob is only one volcano, re-purposing Jack until needed is a very shrewd use of his Foolamancy. Once Stanley totaled FAQ, which has very little strategic value all in all, I'm guessing he took all the casters with him. Wanda escaped the Mindmeld by either proving herself on other grounds, or swearing loyalty, having a Loyalty spell cast on her, willing betrayal, or something else.
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docstrange
Vravo! Jack is so good, HE FOOLED ALL OF US!
In order to fool your enemies, first you must fool your Forum-ers. XD
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ishnar
2. Since 114 panel 3 never happened, it shows that Jack knew about the nut thing, otherwise he wouldn't have been able to make the illusion.
My guess is that the distraction also used a bit of ventriloquism to throw their voices. There is no reason for Stanley to reveal that little quirk to Jack, nor would Jack ever find that out, as he was a Hologram Table Leg at that point.
Ok, enough quoting. OMFG, Jack is the most awesome Foolamancer EVER! And Vinny, you get points for trying, from your assistance in discovering the veil. Jillian, you LOSE coolness points for being psyched out so hard.
My two cents on the last panel: Either Jillian ran out of time on her bonus Ambush rounds/move, or it's like everyone thinks, and there was a hex border that she couldn't cross, as it was not her turn, or some combination of the two. From the looks of the Bloopers thread, there'll be a book out, which BOOP WELL BETTER include the rules of Erfworld. I'm just saying.
Panel 5: It took me a minute to figure out the fake dragon was wrapped around a tree.
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Re: Erfworld 127 The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 115
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0126.html
Bats first appear in Panel 3. The swarm is clearly dragon-shaped in Panels 6, 8 and 9.
My guess: Veil is cast immediately after the dragon attacks.
Jack is a master of distraction, he made an entire flight of bats appear right in front of Jillian without her noticing.
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Re: Erfworld 127 The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 115
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BarGamer
My guess is that the distraction also used a bit of ventriloquism to throw their voices. There is no reason for Stanley to reveal that little quirk to Jack, nor would Jack ever find that out, as he was a Hologram Table Leg at that point.
Ventriloquism or not, Jack must have known about it or he couldn't have used made utterance about it either.
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Re: Erfworld 127 The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 115
So, one little bit of wild, unsupported theory: Could FAQ's predictamancer have made some momentous prophecy, which somehow requires both Jillian and Stanley in order to come to pass. I'm not sure what I'm basing this off, other than Wanda and Jack's strong loyalty to a jerkass like Stanley, and Wanda yet being concerned with keeping Jillian alive.
Just a thought. There is clearly something going on that we're not aware of yet.
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Re: Erfworld 127 The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 115
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ishnar
Ventriloquism or not, Jack must have known about it or he couldn't have used made utterance about it either.
I think that was his point; Jack couldn't have made up the walnut bit, so Stanley must have actually done it, and Jack just changed the apparent position.
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Re: Erfworld 127 The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 115
Love the red dwagon's expression. :smallcool:
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Re: Erfworld 127 The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 115
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Oslecamo
Perhaps illusions have a life score like everybody else and when it gets destroyed it slowly dissipates.
Or you can stick your hand through an illusion if you say "I disbelieve", or there's a "will save" or "perception test" or something similar and Vinnie made his while Jillian failed hers (quite likely for perception IMAO). Or maybe as you suggested it's that it's "dead" now, or as someone else suggested Jack may have stopped concentrating since it was too late to stop him, or range may matter and Jack was farther away, or something else.
There are plenty of possible reasons for Vinnie to be able to put his hand through the dragon but it to feel solid to Jillian.
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Re: Erfworld 127 The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 115
Stanley heard the exchange between Jillian and Jack. He's probably going to add 2+2 and find that the "barbarian warlord" is something more than he thought she was.
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Re: Erfworld 127 The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 115
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ishnar
Points of interest.
1. Readers were happy or disappointed with the last scene, but there was not even speculation that it was faked. There is the genius. The best distraction is one that is not even questioned.
Yup. 8 pages of discussion and speculation of 126/114, and no one even brought up the possibility that the dragon's demise was a veil/distraction. Even after all the speculation after Jack's "see what I see" line.
We're slipping. :smallconfused:
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Re: Erfworld 127 The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 115
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teratorn
Stanley heard the exchange between Jillian and Jack. He's probably going to add 2+2 and find that the "barbarian warlord" is something more than he thought she was.
Did he though? The flock of bats was a decent ways away by the time most of that took place (which also covers him not having heard Jack's name being called over & over).
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Re: Erfworld 127 The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 115
I feel that part of the veil was to "flip" the direction of everyone was thinking they were facing, in seeing what I see notice how everything in 110 came 180 degrees out of position thus a way to make it seem like your going east but in reality your going west. The art is wonderful and leaves us the reader to fill in parts of the story on our own.
Thanks Rob & Jami for a "Great Escape" scene!
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Re: Erfworld 127 The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 115
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BarGamer
Wanda escaped the Mindmeld by either proving herself on other grounds, or swearing loyalty, having a Loyalty spell cast on her, willing betrayal, or something else.
In page 54/#60 Sizemore says that you can't have 4 casters in the link, and somewhat hints that only Eyemancers (which Maggie, Misty, and Jack all were as per Parson's Klog #2) can be linked. Sizemore specifically says that only Thinkamancers can lead it, and it certainly makes sense that Misty the Lookamancer would be needed for the scrying aspect, and Jack the Foolamancer for the table projection.
Don't get me wrong, Wanda is obviously very useful, and even if she could have replaced one of them I think it was the better choice to keep Wanda free willed (or as free willed as any non-lord in Erfworld can be) instead of Misty or Jack.
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Re: Erfworld 127 The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 115
And lest we forget, Duty, however it works, applies as much to Jack as to any warlord/cast out there. Therefore, Jack can disobey Stanley, if he believes it is for Stanley's own good.
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Re: Erfworld 127 The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 115
I dunno, I'd kinda like to see a Dirtamancy/Thinkamancy/Croakamancy Mindmeld, just for giggles.
And yes, I meant that Jack threw Stanley's voice.