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Re: What if Real Life worked by RAW?
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Originally Posted by
Swiftmongoose
Did you read Reincarnation's description? It says it can brung back even people who died of old age.
I literally just picked up my PHB. It specifically says (last line before the table) that it can't bring back a creature that has died of old age. It does work for up to a week after death, though. Last Breath is better because there's no level loss, but the time after death is limited to within six seconds.
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Re: What if Real Life worked by RAW?
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Originally Posted by
NNescio
You mean this part?
Alright, I'm sitting here. In front of me is the 3.5 PHB and the PF core rulebook. This is why I thought you could bring someone back if they died of old age, because that's the PF version of the spell.
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Originally Posted by
Swiftmongoose
Alright, I'm sitting here. In front of me is the 3.5 PHB and the PF core rulebook. This is why I thought you could bring someone back if they died of old age, because that's the PF version of the spell.
That's convenient. I haven't actually gotten around to checking that version out yet.
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Re: What if Real Life worked by RAW?
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NNescio
Still won't work on people who have already died of old age.
Too bad that all the historic people said documents would be about would have died before the 3.5 rules went into effect... Meaning, by RAW, they didn't die of old age: there hasn't been a secret roll for maximum age, nor have they reached their maximum age. Needless to say, they also would have died from reasons other than old age, as old age in and of itself doesn't specifically cause death in real-world land.
That's setting aside the popularity of awesome people who died far before their time, which I personally believe would make the majority of topics, but your mileage may vary.
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Lets see, some figures we could bring back, since we know they didn't die of old age:Adolf Hitler(shot himself), Cleopatra(unkown, likely poisoned), Abraham Lincoln(shot), Julius Ceasear(stabbed, bled out), Elvis Presley(CON drain due to drug overdose), Blackbeard (decapitated), Pablo Escobar (shot),Grigori Rasputin (hypothermia).
On a semi related note: Hospital recovery times would be much quicker. Even if a man is brought to -9, as long as he is stabilized, he benefits from natural healing. Even assuming a level 1 character, a day of bed rest is 2 hp (even assuming their simply stabilized, then ignored, this can be raised with other peoples heal checks). So as long as they are still alive, the most someone can be in the hospital for is 5 days. And ability damage would only keep you for 8 hours, since your ability can never go below 0, so after 8 hours of rest, you'll regain one point of your ability, have an ability of 1, and be able to get back up.
Also, people would become more productive. Only spellcasters/psionicicists/meldshapers have to rest to use their abilities, everyone else functions fine without sleep, since their are no rules for lack of sleep.
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We can't bring back people like Julius Caesar or Vercingetorix (that's one crazy name) because they've been dead for more than 2000 years. We need someone with over 200 levels in cleric to get that.
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I would think the Pope or the Dalai Lama qualify.
And personally, I would try to find a way to bring back Theodore Roosevelt, clone him, and then train him to be a druid. Not sure which spells would work.
Clearly what this country (Or any country) needs is a wildshaped Theodore Roosevelt as a bear riding a larger bear and summoning other bears while shooting a gun that shoots out more bears.
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Re: What if Real Life worked by RAW?
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Originally Posted by
Swiftmongoose
We can't bring back people like Julius Caesar or Vercingetorix (that's one crazy name) because they've been dead for more than 2000 years. We need someone with over 200 levels in cleric to get that.
They're funded by diamond barons, I think that they can wait a few days while someone levels up. After all, Clericzilla's ready and willing to fight all day against non-dispelling monsters.
Come to think of it, I guess this would put Deadliest Warrior in the obsolete bin. And it'd be a whole lot more accurate, too!
GASP we could give Amelia Earhart another shot at flying around the globe! This time without a plane!
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Re: What if Real Life worked by RAW?
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Originally Posted by
Swiftmongoose
We can't bring back people like Julius Caesar or Vercingetorix (that's one crazy name) because they've been dead for more than 2000 years. We need someone with over 200 levels in cleric to get that.
Oops, I forgot the 10 year/ level limit.
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Originally Posted by
Honest Tiefling
I would think the Pope or the Dalai Lama qualify.
And personally, I would try to find a way to bring back Theodore Roosevelt, clone him, and then train him to be a druid. Not sure which spells would work.
Clearly what this country (Or any country) needs is a wildshaped Theodore Roosevelt as a bear riding a larger bear and summoning other bears while shooting a gun that shoots out more bears.
Teddy was more of a Ranger - the only way he was one with nature was when his fist would punch through a wild animal. :smallbiggrin:
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Hence the training in druid. I make no claim that he used to be a druid of any sort. I guess a wildshaping ranger with the bear gun is acceptable, but he would need items to summon in more bears most likely.
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Originally Posted by
noparlpf
That's convenient. I haven't actually gotten around to checking that version out yet.
Still,all you have to do is wait 'til you ding into venerable and Stab yourself while your Druid buddy looks on, just make sure you've earned 1,000gp in the meantime.
Of course you keep your mental stats, just in time to collect more bonuses from ageing-->Druids are the most powerful beings on the planet, Immortal, all wise and all knowing.
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Dragonsoul
Still,all you have to do is wait 'til you ding into venerable and Stab yourself while your Druid buddy looks on, just make sure you've earned 1,000gp in the meantime.
Of course you keep your mental stats, just in time to collect more bonuses from ageing-->Druids are the most powerful beings on the planet, Immortal, all wise and all knowing.
Can druids take Craft Contingent Spell, or whatever that feat is called? Because then they wouldn't even need a druid buddy. They could do it all on their own.
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Originally Posted by
noparlpf
Can druids take Craft Contingent Spell, or whatever that feat is called? Because then they wouldn't even need a druid buddy. They could do it all on their own.
Yes, but it takes a whole freaking lot of xp, though you have a long amount of time to regain the xp.
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Re: What if Real Life worked by RAW?
and Geas is cheaper:smallbiggrin:
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Originally Posted by
Necroticplague
Yes, but it takes a whole freaking lot of xp, though you have a long amount of time to regain the xp.
I had a killoren druid character once who was over 300. (I seem to recall that most killoren get reincarnated at around 150, but I could be remembering incorrectly.) His thing was that he went around Awakening plants to talk to them and learn from them, which was why he was only a 16th level druid at 308 years old. (Trees are more interesting to talk to when they're smart than by using spells to talk to them.)
Of course, allowing killoren to attain venerable bonuses when they don't reach venerable was a houserule because not continuing to gain mental bonuses after all that life experience doesn't make sense.
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Craft Contingent Spell [Item Creation]
You know how to attach semipermanent spells to a creature and set them to activate under certain conditions.
Prerequisite: Caster level 11th
Benefit: You can make contingent any spell that you know. Crafting a contingent spell takes one day for each 1,000 gp in its base price (spell level x caster level x 100 gp). To craft a contingent spell, you must spend 1/25 of this base price in XP and use up raw materials costing one-half the base price. Some spells incur extra costs in material components or XP (as noted in their descriptions), which must be paid when the contingent spell is created. See Contingent Spells, page 139, for more information.
Complete Arcane page 77.
So for a druid to make Last Breath cast on him contingent on his death, it would cost him ((4x7x100)/2)+500=1.900 GP, and 56 XP. (You can craft items at a lower CL than your own; the minimum CL for Last Breath is 7.)
And Geas isn't on the druid spell list.
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Re: What if Real Life worked by RAW?
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JBento
Truth is, no-one would be able to do anything, because whatever you tried to do, people would say you can't because it's against your alignment.
My alignment is about as close to chaotic evil as any sane functioning member of society can be.
Give me D&D power? That sanity thing goes out the window and I go over the edge.
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randomhero00
I'd assume I'd be a sorcerer. But since that's a bloodline type deal it may not work. If so I'll take a class level in psion and a-hunting I will go. Grizzly bears give pretty good experience. And since RAW doesn't care if a spell caster levels up using a pointed stick only, I'll use my rifle and kill wolves and bears. That should get me started nicely.
After that I'll use my knowledge and powers to quickly make money. Then form an organization for people with super powers. But really its just to keep an eye on them. Eventually I'll research a way to sort of auto-spy them and blow up their head from any distance if they're being murderers or what have you.
After that comes social change. No more religious wars. If one starts I destroy both sides.
No more racism. If someone makes a comment they get their tongue removed.
I'd get rid of most of the politicians. Start over there. Figure out a way to force people to vote.
Then I'd try to help the poor people with food, clean water, etc.
Then tackle the energy crisis. Figure out a good way to get off petrol.
I probably forgot a few things but that about sums it up.
Wonderful! D&D world and now a BBEG to go with it? All I need is five trustworthy companions and I'm good to go.
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Re: What if Real Life worked by RAW?
Everyone would ride to work on commoner railguns, and no one would get hurt b/c moving fast doesn't have any damaging effects.
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Re: What if Real Life worked by RAW?
If a business owner is famous and is based out of a city, his business will never be effected by bad weather or natural disasters.
Conversely, if a business owner is not famous and is located in the middle of nowhere, he will never be forced to pay protection money and (if his business is failing) will be immune to unexpected tax increases.
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(pre-edit: this will probably get shot down via the Stronghold Builder's Handbook or some such, but it's worth a try.)
There's no listed price for lead, so the DM sets the price. A wise DM would set it very, very high indeed, because lead is much more useful than gold. You might find alchemists trying to turn gold into lead ... or wizards PAOing it.
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Originally Posted by
Ksheep
If a business owner is famous and is based out of a city, his business will never be effected by bad weather or natural disasters.
Conversely, if a business owner is not famous and is located in the middle of nowhere, he will never be forced to pay protection money and (if his business is failing) will be immune to unexpected tax increases.
Doesn't the DMG II's business rules have businesses burning down terribly often or something?
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One could purchase endangered animal young for as little as 200 GP (Rhinoceros mount in Arms and Equipment Guide)
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NNescio
Doesn't the DMG II's business rules have businesses burning down terribly often or something?
It's on the Business-related encounter chart, which is "roll a d20 and add these modifiers", which is what that other stuff is. Living in a metro gives +3, being famous gives +2… and fire is a 6 on that table. So the famous person in the big city would have to roll a 1… unless his business was booming, in which case he'd get another +1 and be immune from fires as well.
EDIT: Looks like both the person in the big city and the person in the middle of nowhere are equally likely to have bad competition.
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Ksheep
It's on the Business-related encounter chart, which is "roll a d20 and add these modifiers", which is what that other stuff is. Living in a metro gives +3, being famous gives +2… and fire is a 6 on that table. So the famous person in the big city would have to roll a 1… unless his business was booming, in which case he'd get another +1 and be immune from fires as well.
EDIT: Looks like both the person in the big city and the person in the middle of nowhere are equally likely to have bad competition.
Have another .07 of an internet. :smallbiggrin:
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Originally Posted by
Ksheep
One could purchase endangered animal young for as little as 200 GP
Which, when converted to current gold prices, comes out to $96,000 dollars. Start saving your pennies now.
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As long as we're talking economics, note that the current economy would be non-existent, because all professions would pay the same, and only skill would make a difference. Likewise, all trade would grind to a halt, since all items would cost the same no matter where they're made. Out would all be like some hippy's dream.
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Re: What if Real Life worked by RAW?
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hamishspence
"Good" means "makes personal sacrifices to help strangers" but a good person might not be especially physically brave.
Similarly "hurting and oppressing others" is common enough, that I would say evil alignment is not significantly less common than Neutral alignment.
So while I'd agree with "neutral is the most typical alignment" I am a bit more dubious about "most people are Neutral".
I thought humans officially had "no preference for any particular alignment", which (I assume) would mean there would be an equal number of people with each alignment.
Indeed, just as humans are the base-line for attributes, maybe they can be seen as the baseline for alignment as well. The evilest third are by definition Evil (or Evil by definition represents the behaviour of the evilest third of humanity), the "goodest" third define Good, and the intermediates define Neutral. Ditto for Law/Chaos.
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Chess435
I've heard discussions about applying Real Life Physics to D&D, but let's examine the flip side of the coin. What if you woke up one morning and realized that instead of the normal laws of reality, RAW was the guiding principle of the universe? (Would catgirls spontaneously reanimate? :smallwink:)
Dude, I'd be rejoicing, and taking levels in wizard, then exploiting my way to xp.
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Disturbing thought: Could we actually create computers or the internet via RAW? Can't remember the rules for electricity and metals (if there even are any), although I'm sure that we could create a magical equivalent. I tend to remember someone mentioning making an undead-powered computer on one of these threads.
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Originally Posted by
Ksheep
Disturbing thought: Could we actually create computers or the internet via RAW? Can't remember the rules for electricity and metals (if there even are any), although I'm sure that we could create a magical equivalent. I tend to remember someone mentioning making an undead-powered computer on one of these threads.
Depends on how you define "computer," I guess.
At the very least I do not think you could make a cost-effective computer.
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Originally Posted by
Ksheep
Disturbing thought: Could we actually create computers or the internet via RAW? Can't remember the rules for electricity and metals (if there even are any), although I'm sure that we could create a magical equivalent. I tend to remember someone mentioning making an undead-powered computer on one of these threads.
This?
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Originally Posted by Lorolar
Premise: Undead you command can follow basic commands such as "Kill anyone who enters this room but me" or similar.
This means that undead can follow commands like, if anyone enters this room kill them. This can be stated as "If X, then Y", hey presto we have ourselves a logic gate.
Next we take another zombie, actually another couple hundred zombies (or wight, or whatever method you have used to produce arbitrary amounts of controlled undead) and we have them base their "if X, then Y" on each others actions. With enough Zombies we just built ourselves a computer.
The next step is to move this to our own private demiplane where time runs super fast. When you have a problem just planeshift there and punch it in to the "keyboard" (read, talk to your specially trained lich operator), so your computer can start solving.
So now we have created our undead supercomputer, what to call it? I think Deep Rot.
Blah silly rule about post length minimums.
Why is the word "minimums" instead of "minima"? In math classes they always called it "minima".
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Rogue Shadows
Depends on how you define "computer," I guess.
At the very least I do not think you could make a cost-effective computer.
A computer is that which can compute.
Cost effectiveness isn't too big of a deal. Just set some wights on the local population, and then start taking control of them once they're undead.
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Originally Posted by
Ksheep
Disturbing thought: Could we actually create computers or the internet via RAW? Can't remember the rules for electricity and metals (if there even are any), although I'm sure that we could create a magical equivalent. I tend to remember someone mentioning making an undead-powered computer on one of these threads.
Hm, if you could research your own spells (which is RAW), then you could come up with the right combination of spells to make computers magic powered (like a self-made spell + permanency).
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noparlpf
Why is the word "minimums" instead of "minima"? In math classes they always called it "minima".
Evolution of language is based on people being too lazy to actually speak their language correctly, for the most part.
Spanish, for example, is just for the most part badly spoke Latin and Arabic. French is just badly spoken Latin and German. German itself is an amalgmation of badly spoken languages, and Latin itself is badly spoken Etruscan. English is just badly spoken.
Well, laziness, and a lack of education.
This is not necessarily a bad thing, but trust me when I say it explains a lot.
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noparlpf
A computer is that which can compute.
By that definition, then yes, probably. Then again by that defintion Stonehenge is a computer.
Most people have slightly higher standards of what constitutes a computer. Like...a pocket calculator, at least.
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Originally Posted by
Rogue Shadows
Evolution of language is based on people being too lazy to actually speak their language correctly, for the most part.
Spanish, for example, is just for the most part badly spoke Latin and Arabic. French is just badly spoken Latin and German. German itself is an amalgmation of badly spoken languages, and Latin itself is badly spoken Etruscan. English is just badly spoken.
Well, laziness, and a lack of education.
This is not necessarily a bad thing.
By that definition, then yes, probably. Then again by that defintion Stonehenge is a computer.
Most people have slightly higher standards of what constitutes a computer. Like...a pocket calculator, at least.
Really? Because I consider an abacus to be a primitive computer. I'm old-fashioned.
(I answer posts from the bottom up.)
Well excuse me, my good sir. I do declare that I speak the goodest English I have heard in a right long age.
Yeah, languages change over time. Usually deterioration due to laziness or improper education. I personally consider it to be a negative effect. For one thing, I can't understand half of what kids these days write (omg txtng lolz) or say.
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noparlpf
Yeah, languages change over time. Usually deterioration due to laziness or improper education. I personally consider it to be a negative effect. For one thing, I can't understand half of what kids these days write (omg txtng lolz) or say.
Yeah, but then I don't get to show off my amature knowledge of linguistical evolution.
Two examples. Latin has no actual word for "yes." The closest is sic est, roughly translated as "it is thus," and the negative of that being sic non est, "it is not thus."
Over time as the plebs began speaking Latin poorly and the Patricians started speaking Greek to show off, sic est was shortened to just sic, and then eventually, to just si, with a funny little accent on the i.
Obviously, you can see that sic non est was eventualy shortened to just non and then, in many cases, to no.
Second example - in Catholocism, the priest has the "magic" ability to turn simple bread into the Body of Christ. How does he do this? When does this actually happen? Simple - when he holds up the bread and says "this is the body." Only in older times Church was always in Latin, so instead he would say hoc est corpus. Ta-da! With these "magic" words, the normal bread becomes the Body of Christ.
Say hoc est corpus 5 times fast. Sound familiar? The "magic" words that transform bread into the body of Christ? Hocus pocus!
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Rogue Shadows
Yeah, but then I don't get to show off my amateur knowledge of linguistic evolution.
Two examples. Latin has no actual word for "yes." The closest is sic est, roughly translated as "it is thus," and the negative of that being sic non est, "it is not thus."
Over time as the plebs began speaking Latin poorly and the Patricians started speaking Greek to show off, sic est was shortened to just sic, and then eventually, to just si, with a funny little accent on the i.
Obviously, you can see that sic non est was eventually shortened to just non and then, in many cases, to no.
Second example - in Catholicism, the priest has the "magic" ability to turn simple bread into the Body of Christ. How does he do this? When does this actually happen? Simple - when he holds up the bread and says "this is the body." Only in older times Church was always in Latin, so instead he would say hoc est corpus. Ta-da! With these "magic" words, the normal bread becomes the Body of Christ.
Say hoc est corpus 5 times fast. Sound familiar? The "magic" words that transform bread into the body of Christ? Hocus pocus!
I knew about the si/no thing (though I couldn't remember the Latin words; I've never studied Latin). I hadn't heard (or didn't remember) where "hocus pocus" came from. That's really funny.
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noparlpf
This?
Yep, that's the one. Would probably be a really slow computer... unless you place it on another plane with an accelerated time frame. Of course, if that was the case it would be extremely expensive, what with such a high level spell needed to make the plane for it to be on.
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Originally Posted by
Swiftmongoose
Hm, if you could research your own spells (which is RAW), then you could come up with the right combination of spells to make computers magic powered (like a self-made spell + permanency).
Hey there. Thanks to prestidigitation, contingency, and arcane fusion, we've already designed a Turing complete system based on magic. Topic came up perhaps a year or two back.
Note that since contingency apparently happens instantly when the conditions are filled, speed of processing is arbitrary.
Yeah, I could totally do that.
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Ksheep
Yep, that's the one. Would probably be a really slow computer... unless you place it on another plane with an accelerated time frame. Of course, if that was the case it would be extremely expensive, what with such a high level spell needed to make the plane for it to be on.
If you're the one building the computer and crafting the plane, it's not too bad. You don't have to pay anyone for spellcasting. And if you're naturally talented enough to reach a level where you can create your own demiplane, you can regain any XP you spent on it without too much difficulty.
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Tyndmyr
Hey there. Thanks to prestidigitation, contingency, and arcane fusion, we've already designed a Turing complete system based on magic. Topic came up perhaps a year or two back.
Note that since contingency apparently happens instantly when the conditions are filled, speed of processing is arbitrary.
Yeah, I could totally do that.
But the undead computer is the only reason I can think of for undead to exist. Otherwise I have to go back to thinking that all undead should be destroyed. And that would be racist (although justified).
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noparlpf
If you're the one building the computer and crafting the plane, it's not too bad. You don't have to pay anyone for spellcasting.
Although you're going to be spending a lot of money on diamonds...
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Originally Posted by
noparlpf
If you're the one building the computer and crafting the plane, it's not too bad. You don't have to pay anyone for spellcasting. And if you're naturally talented enough to reach a level where you can create your own demiplane, you can regain any XP you spent on it without too much difficulty.
Still, it wouldn't be like the modern PC, where just about everyone and their dog can afford one.
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Ksheep
Still, it wouldn't be like the modern PC, where just about everyone and their dog can afford one.
It's ok...those of us who are wizards will have them. And we'll be able to break WBL horribly. So, it'll work out in the end.
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Ksheep
Still, it wouldn't be like the modern PC, where just about everyone and their dog can afford one.
Anyone with Fabrication can apparently double their wealth infinitely. That's what I heard yesterday or the day before, anyhow.
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Ksheep
Still, it wouldn't be like the modern PC, where just about everyone and their dog can afford one.
Less Mac, more ENIAK, as well. Good luck getting a game of StarCraft running. Even solitaire would be a chore.
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Rogue Shadows
Less Mac, more ENIAK, as well. Good luck getting a game of StarCraft running. Even solitaire would be a chore.
We got from binary computers up to the present day in a very short period of time. On your high-speed demiplane, you can probably do it (even using undead as the on/off switches for the binary) in a week.
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noparlpf
Anyone with Fabrication can apparently double their wealth infinitely. That's what I heard yesterday or the day before, anyhow.
Well, anything that can be created via Creation spells, any wood, any iron, etc...can then be fabricated into a finished product.
I feel like this would not be a poor world.
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Originally Posted by
noparlpf
We got from binary computers up to the present day in a very short period of time. On your high-speed demiplane, you can probably do it (even using undead as the on/off switches for the binary) in a week.
I...
...I would actually like to see this. Honestly.
Can someone use undead to create...oh, what's something simple...Civilization II. The game that was so easy to mod that even I can do it.
Can someone make an undead computer capable of running a game not unlike Civilization II?
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Originally Posted by
Rogue Shadows
I...
...I would actually like to see this. Honestly.
Can someone use undead to create...oh, what's something simple...Civilization II. The game that was so easy to mod that even I can do it.
Can someone make an undead computer capable of running a game not unlike Civilization II?
I think the main problem there would be getting a GUI working. How would that work?
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Originally Posted by
Rogue Shadows
I...
...I would actually like to see this. Honestly.
Can someone use undead to create...oh, what's something simple...Civilization II. The game that was so easy to mod that even I can do it.
Can someone make an undead computer capable of running a game not unlike Civilization II?
I don't have any undead. Nor do I have access to a demiplane with advanced speed. I'm a second level barbarian, not a high/epic level caster.
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Ksheep
I think the main problem there would be getting a GUI working. How would that work?
Casters have illusion spells that can create images. Just make the output (image) based on some sort of input from the computer. Let's assume we have a high level wizard doing this. Crazy Int. He could figure it out.
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Ksheep
I think the main problem there would be getting a GUI working. How would that work?
Items that can cast contingency-triggered Dancing Lights, set up in a grid, could form a very large monitor. If we're doing that with undead as well, we could just arm a bunch of Fine zombies with Eternal Wands of Dancing Lights (or some similar item, customized so undead can use it... I seem to recall mindless creatures can't use wands) and get the same effect.
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Originally Posted by
noparlpf
Casters have illusion spells that can create images. Just make the output (image) based on some sort of input from the computer. Let's assume we have a high level wizard doing this. Crazy Int. He could figure it out.
This would be a pain to automate, though; you'd have to have a separate trigger (hence a separate Contingency-triggered illusion) for every possible input. That's why you simplify it down to a pixel array, so your undead and/or contingency spells only have to know "red", "green", "blue", and "off".
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Re: What if Real Life worked by RAW?
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Originally Posted by
Rogue Shadows
Less Mac, more ENIAK, as well. Good luck getting a game of StarCraft running. Even solitaire would be a chore.
Don't worry, once there's even one person who gets their hands on a Deck of Many Things, Solitaire (and every other card game) will greatly drop in popularity. :smalltongue:
Edit: Oh, hey, I got your D&D computer that will run Starcraft 2.
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Nolzur’s Marvelous Pigments: These magic emulsions enable their possessor to create actual, permanent objects simply by depicting their form in two dimensions.
And the art degree holder rejoices!
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Re: What if Real Life worked by RAW?
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Originally Posted by
NowhereMan583
Items that can cast contingency-triggered Dancing Lights, set up in a grid, could form a very large monitor. If we're doing that with undead as well, we could just arm a bunch of Fine zombies with Eternal Wands of Dancing Lights and get the same effect.
While we're at it, just make it simpler. Get a horde of zombies. Give each a large, square colored card. Have them hold them over their heads depending on the output. You now have pixels. Scry on a point above the horde, looking down at it. You have your graphics.
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Re: What if Real Life worked by RAW?
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Originally Posted by
noparlpf
While we're at it, just make it simpler. Get a horde of zombies. Give each a large, square colored card. Have them hold them over their heads depending on the output. You now have pixels. Scry on a point above the horde, looking down at it. You have your graphics.
Mandatory T-shirt for your horde:
http://ompldr.org/vOWwzaA/undead_ins...55qzj3_400.jpg
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Re: What if Real Life worked by RAW?
Why not use skeletons though? Zombies can only take a standard action, or a move action per round, while a skeleton can take a full action. Less HD you would need to control as well. I imagine the smell wouldn't be as bad as well.
... How many undead would be necessary for this to actually work though? Enough for a high level wizard to do it by themselves, or would we need to get a Dread Necromancer involved? Would Dread Necromancers now be another term for IT guy?
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Re: What if Real Life worked by RAW?
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Originally Posted by
Xanmyral
Why not use skeletons though? Zombies can only take a standard action, or a move action per round, while a skeleton can take a full action. Less HD you would need to control as well. I imagine the smell wouldn't be as bad as well.
... How many undead would be necessary for this to actually work though? Enough for a high level wizard to do it by themselves, or would we need to get a Dread Necromancer involved? Would Dread Necromancers now be another term for IT guy?
I've never looked at undead creatures' stats, largely on principle. I hate undead things. So sure, skeletons would be better.
I met a necromancer once who was very well-built. He had all kinds of feats and stuff. He wouldn't have made a good IT guy. IT has to have at least a little bit of a customer service aspect...this guy killed everybody and made them into undead servants. (I was playing a Radiant Servant of Pelor at the time. I one-shotted his zombie white dragon with a greater turning. Then a party member turned on me and killed me. I hate being the only non-evil party member.) Anyhow, this guy was just a cleric I think. But you could get some dread necromancers involved. You would need a LOT of undead.
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Re: What if Real Life worked by RAW?
Another idea I had would be to use Persistent Image, which allows the caster to create an illusion that follows a script. So, it's just an issue of porting C#/whatever to ArcaneScript(tm), and you have a computer and monitor with a fully functioning operating system (this issue apparently only takes 1 standard action to do). Use a plank of wood for a keyboard and a rock for a mouse, the illusion's already scripted to imitate an OS following your input, and since you're not interacting with the illusion, you don't need to save against it. And even if you did make a save against it, you could willingly forgo the save!
Sadly, there's a pesky issue of Duration that you need to get by. And the Greater Anyspells and Nightsticks rejoice...
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Re: What if Real Life worked by RAW?
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OracleofWuffing
Another idea I had would be to use Persistent Image, which allows the caster to create an illusion that follows a script. So, it's just an issue of porting C#/whatever to ArcaneScript(tm), and you have a computer and monitor with a fully functioning operating system (this issue apparently only takes 1 standard action to do). Use a plank of wood for a keyboard and a rock for a mouse, the illusion's already scripted to imitate an OS following your input, and since you're not interacting with the illusion, you don't need to save against it. And even if you did make a save against it, you could willingly forgo the save!
Sadly, there's a pesky issue of Duration that you need to get by. And the Greater Anyspells and Nightsticks rejoice...
Make a custom Wondrous Item with Persistent Image as the spell prereq.
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Re: What if Real Life worked by RAW?
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Originally Posted by
OracleofWuffing
Another idea I had would be to use Persistent Image, which allows the caster to create an illusion that follows a script. So, it's just an issue of porting C#/whatever to ArcaneScript(tm), and you have a computer and monitor with a fully functioning operating system (this issue apparently only takes 1 standard action to do). Use a plank of wood for a keyboard and a rock for a mouse, the illusion's already scripted to imitate an OS following your input, and since you're not interacting with the illusion, you don't need to save against it. And even if you did make a save against it, you could willingly forgo the save!
Sadly, there's a pesky issue of Duration that you need to get by. And the Greater Anyspells and Nightsticks rejoice...
Permanency, if the great DM in the sky allows it (it's RAW that the DM can allow other spells nor listed to be permanency'd).
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Re: What if Real Life worked by RAW?
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Originally Posted by
Swiftmongoose
Permanency, if the great DM in the sky allows it (it's RAW that the DM can allow other spells nor listed to be permanency'd).
Since you can get several lower-level illusions made permanent, I don't see why this wouldn't be allowed by a DM. They might limit the applications, though.
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Re: What if Real Life worked by RAW?
Persistent Image says that it follows a script, but it does not say that it responds to stimuli, so not sure how to get the "computer" to talk with the "monitor" without re-casting the spell every time it runs a new process. This would make it hard to have an interactive ability, although it would work great for computer-generated cut-scenes.
Also, if you COULD figure out the input issue, if the image had to be re-cast with the results of the input, you would not see the results of your input for 6 seconds. Unless the persistent image is ALSO in the demi-plane that you're scrying into. At that point, however, it would be easier just to have the zombies/skeletons with colored cue cards.
Of course, this all depends on how you interpret "script"…