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Re: Things You Never Noticed VI: The Undiscovered Detail
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Originally Posted by
Turin_19
Yup, that yellow color is her telekinetically snatching the whip for use in...choking V to death.
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VI: The Undiscovered Detail
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VI: The Undiscovered Detail
Actually, Horrid Wilting is a 1 target/CL, not a "splash" effect like, say, Fireball. So that doesn't count.
As for Laurin's attack, it appears that power is Mental Disruption, which stuns but doesn't actually deal damage - useful considering how outnumbered she and Tarquin were right then. Plus, I headcanon Tarquin is a Monk/Fighter(or maybe Warblade?)/Swordsage multiclass; his Will save is likely quite high.
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VI: The Undiscovered Detail
What makes you think Tarquin has levels in monk?
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VI: The Undiscovered Detail
Roy’s Archon’s Lawful Good is basically Roy’s, he’s snarky, shows annoyance at annoying people, will break rules to help save the world/be lazy and wants to strangle another Good character. Technically this is cheating a little bit since I noticed it a few weeks ago but I could have posted it then.
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VI: The Undiscovered Detail
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Originally Posted by
CriticalFailure
What makes you think Tarquin has levels in monk?
A lot of feats he has are also Monk bonus feats.
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VI: The Undiscovered Detail
Funnily enough, Tarquin was upset with Elan for not being the leader instead of Roy, but if I'm not mistaken Tarquin appears to be the "leader" of his own evil adventuring party, and he is also a Fighter. A tad ironic, no?
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VI: The Undiscovered Detail
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Originally Posted by
danielxcutter
A lot of feats he has are also Monk bonus feats.
neat i didn't notice that
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VI: The Undiscovered Detail
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Originally Posted by
Squire Doodad
Funnily enough, Tarquin was upset with Elan for not being the leader instead of Roy, but if I'm not mistaken Tarquin appears to be the "leader" of his own evil adventuring party, and he is also a Fighter. A tad ironic, no?
He is not, even though the Order assumes so. It’s not obvious in the text but the Giant confirms that he overstate his own importance and is closer to being the VL’s Elan.
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VI: The Undiscovered Detail
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Originally Posted by
Fyraltari
He is not, even though the Order assumes so. It’s not obvious in the text but the Giant confirms that he overstate his own importance and is closer to being the VL’s Elan.
Soo... who is the leader of Vector Legion? Has that been stated?
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VI: The Undiscovered Detail
I imagine it depends on who you ask. Tarquin seems fairly convinced he's the leader. It was probably not Malack, as he seemed pretty content to follow Tarquin. Any of the others could easily consider themselves the Boss, or maybe feel that there is no "Boss".
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VI: The Undiscovered Detail
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Originally Posted by
Turin_19
Soo... who is the leader of Vector Legion? Has that been stated?
Shoulder Pad Guy, duh :smalltongue:
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VI: The Undiscovered Detail
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Originally Posted by
Schroeswald
Shoulder Pad Guy, duh :smalltongue:
That's seriously my guess because:
Tarquin <--> Elan
Malack <--> Durkon
Laurin <--> Vaarsuvius
Jacinda <--> Haley
Miron <--> Belkar
SPG <--> Roy.
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VI: The Undiscovered Detail
But the whole 'take control of the desert nations' plan was all Tarquin's I thought. Wouldn't that make him the de facto leader in that situation?
I hope I used de facto right.
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VI: The Undiscovered Detail
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Originally Posted by
Resileaf
But the whole 'take control of the desert nations' plan was all Tarquin's I thought. Wouldn't that make him the de facto leader in that situation?
Getting the OotS to hunt for the starmetal was Nale's plan; was Nale the de-facto leader of the OotS there?
One can have an idea and carry it through with the team without being the leader.
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VI: The Undiscovered Detail
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Originally Posted by
Peelee
Getting the OotS to hunt for the starmetal was Nale's plan; was Nale the de-facto leader of the OotS there?
One can have an idea and carry it through with the team without being the leader.
If Nale personally led the Order to the starmetal, I would say that yes, it would make him, for that quest at least, the leader of the OotS.
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VI: The Undiscovered Detail
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Originally Posted by
Resileaf
If Nale personally led the Order to the starmetal, I would say that yes, it would make him, for that quest at least, the leader of the OotS.
Durkon needed to go to the Godsmoot to enact Hel's plan, but he wasn't the leader. Elan saved everyone in the desert by evacuating them to Julio's ship, but he wasn't the leader there. People can come up with and enact plans without being the leader.
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VI: The Undiscovered Detail
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Originally Posted by
Resileaf
But the whole 'take control of the desert nations' plan was all Tarquin's I thought. Wouldn't that make him the de facto leader in that situation?
I hope I used de facto right.
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The Giant
Just out of curiosity, who was it that told the story about how Tarquin was a tactical genius and the mastermind behind his party's plot? Was it…Tarquin?
If you bought into Tarquin's story that Tarquin was a competent chessmaster when all of the evidence in the comic points to him being a quasi-delusional control freak that needs to be reigned in by one of his allies half the time, that's on you. I gave you the evidence to see what he was, you just chose to believe his spin instead and then criticize me for not living up to it. The characterization is consistent all the way through—including the part where he talks himself up to be the central character in his group's history. But look at the way Laurin and Miron talk to him; does that sound like people who think he's the mastermind that got them to where they are? Or does it sound like how people talk to Elan? Why do you think that strip was even in there, except to reveal that Tarquin's version of his place in the group had been inflated by Tarquin?
I do agree that the comic could have made this point clearer, especially since Ian also seems to credit Tarquin as being behind the plot.
Yes that is how de facto is used.
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VI: The Undiscovered Detail
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Originally Posted by
Turin_19
Soo... who is the leader of Vector Legion? Has that been stated?
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Originally Posted by
Schroeswald
Shoulder Pad Guy, duh :smalltongue:
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Originally Posted by
Fyraltari
That's seriously my guess because:
Tarquin <--> Elan
Malack <--> Durkon
Laurin <--> Vaarsuvius
Jacinda <--> Haley
Miron <--> Belkar
SPG <--> Roy.
This is how I see it, actually:
Tarquin: Elan. Established in-comic.
Malack: Durkon. Cleric; more follower than leader; strong sense of what family means, including non-biological family.
Laurin: Haley. Working-class background; doing crimes to make money for her family.
Miron: Vaarsuvius. Deadly spellcaster.
Jacinda: Belkar. Likes killing, preferably by stabbing.
That leaves Shoulder Pad Guy as Roy, which makes me hope we get some scenes of the early days of the Vector Legion where SPG is just trying to get Malack to stop being so passive, Tarquin to shut up about stories, Laurin to stop swindling the other party members, Miron to stop being so arrogant and verbose, and Jacinda to stop stabbing everything in sight.
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VI: The Undiscovered Detail
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Originally Posted by
Ruck
This is how I see it, actually:
Tarquin: Elan. Established in-comic.
Malack: Durkon. Cleric; more follower than leader; strong sense of what family means, including non-biological family.
Laurin: Haley. Working-class background; doing crimes to make money for her family.
Miron: Vaarsuvius. Deadly spellcaster.
Jacinda: Belkar. Likes killing, preferably by stabbing.
That leaves Shoulder Pad Guy as Roy, which makes me hope we get some scenes of the early days of the Vector Legion where SPG is just trying to get Malack to stop being so passive, Tarquin to shut up about stories, Laurin to stop swindling the other party members, Miron to stop being so arrogant and verbose, and Jacinda to stop stabbing everything in sight.
That....maps really well. I like it! Though I doubt butt-splashy-thing guy is the type to be terribly verbose.
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VI: The Undiscovered Detail
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Originally Posted by
Peelee
That....maps really well. I like it! Though I doubt butt-splashy-thing guy is the type to be terribly verbose.
Well... yeah. Not anymore.
(I couldn't remember enough Miron lines off the top of my head, but "deadly spellcaster with a particular way of speaking" works even better.)
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VI: The Undiscovered Detail
Laurin, powerful spellcaster who justifies the unjustifiable to herself as being ‘for her family’.
Miron, laid back member who nicknames his associates and doesn’t really get invested in the going ons. Also being the torture guy points to being a crueler person.
Jacinda: thief. We don’t really see her personality. Where is «*likes killing*» from?
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VI: The Undiscovered Detail
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Fyraltari
Jacinda: thief. We don’t really see her personality. Where is «*likes killing*» from?
Well, she kills someone and seems to like it.:smalltongue:
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VI: The Undiscovered Detail
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Originally Posted by
Fyraltari
Jacinda: thief. We don’t really see her personality. Where is «*likes killing*» from?
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Peelee
Well, she kills someone and seems to like it.:smalltongue:
By stabbing, too!
Seems like she's an assassin, not a thief.
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VI: The Undiscovered Detail
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Ruck
By stabbing, too!
Ah, I was thinking about the carpet incident.
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I mean more than the rest of them?
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VI: The Undiscovered Detail
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Fyraltari
I mean more than the rest of them?
To be fair, I don't see how Miron is necessarily crueler than the rest of them. So far as I could tell, he was just the one Tarquin had teamed up with at the time instead of Malack.
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VI: The Undiscovered Detail
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Originally Posted by
Peelee
To be fair, I don't see how Miron is necessarily crueler than the rest of them. So far as I could tell, he was just the one Tarquin had teamed up with at the time instead of Malack.
Fair point.
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VI: The Undiscovered Detail
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Originally Posted by
Ruck
This is how I see it, actually:
Tarquin: Elan. Established in-comic.
Malack: Durkon. Cleric; more follower than leader; strong sense of what family means, including non-biological family.
Laurin: Haley. Working-class background; doing crimes to make money for her family.
Miron: Vaarsuvius. Deadly spellcaster.
Jacinda: Belkar. Likes killing, preferably by stabbing.
That leaves Shoulder Pad Guy as Roy, which makes me hope we get some scenes of the early days of the Vector Legion where SPG is just trying to get Malack to stop being so passive, Tarquin to shut up about stories, Laurin to stop swindling the other party members, Miron to stop being so arrogant and verbose, and Jacinda to stop stabbing everything in sight.
I think better fit seems to be Miron <-> Haley and Laurin <-> Vaarsuvius. Miron seems to be the rational budget keeper who does not complain when Tarquin's ''story nonsense'' puts a coin in his purse, and frowns upon wasting resources. Laurin is a powerful Intellect-based spellcaster who doesn't shy away from using ''big guns early'' and is also quite protective of her daughter.
All in all, Vector Legion seems to be a pretty good picture of what would have happened to to the Order's personalities had they grown mature and Evil (except for Belkar, who would only need to mature). So that would mean Shoulder Pad Guy is some sort of jaded and resourceful pragmatic.
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VI: The Undiscovered Detail
I always had the impression that the Vector Legion didn't really have a leader per se: being the most genre-savvy, Tarquin seemed the one that gave the broad lines of operation for the team, the ones that made more sense in the grand scheme of things, but apart from that then all the members would act pretty much as they pleased. Miron and Laurin didn't seem like Tarquin' subordinates, from the way they talk to each other they quite seem to be on the same footing, I'd say. Even the fact that they can ask and grant favors that they can subsequently call in doesn't strike me as "teamworth": they are less a team, and more allies, very competent adventurers each one with his behavioral quirks and a specific modus operandi.