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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground XXVI
I feel the need to point out that even mentioning a non-SI class feature you plan on having falls under the "speculation" umbrella...and we try not to open that umbrella here.
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground XXVI
Oh my giddy aunt, I may have an angle for this thing. I guess staring blankly at a wall for a while really DOES help!
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This class is most... let's say interresting ;) as another poster said, they really give that "well.. so?" feeling... Think i've found an interresting way to implement them
But the really important thing to ask is, would you score high on originality with 0 levels of Shadowdancer :P
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Akto
This class is most... let's say interresting ;) as another poster said, they really give that "well.. so?" feeling... Think i've found an interresting way to implement them
The worst by far is Darkvision. If you already have Darkvision, you give exactly no jacks and squats.
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground XXVI
At last! My build has been submitted, even though I feel the feat selection I settled on was utter tripe (god I hate SD's pre-requirements).
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Online resources are fine, as long as I link to them, right?
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Grey McBannert
Online resources are fine, as long as I link to them, right?
We really need to include this in the opening post, if not already there, as it's been asked the last 4 or so challenges.
Yes, that's fine. The only things that are off-limits are 3rd party, Dragon and Dungeon magazine(Dragon Compendium is fine, though some judges don't care for it like they don't care for UA). And generally, judges like to know where you're getting stuff from, so providing a list of sources not only does that but some judges have docked Elegance points for not including a source list.
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Akto
This class is most... let's say interresting ;) as another poster said, they really give that "well.. so?" feeling... Think i've found an interresting way to implement them
But the really important thing to ask is, would you score high on originality with 0 levels of Shadowdancer :P
I think someone got a DQ for something like that in a similar competition. Can't remember where exactly, but he made a build that did exactly what the SI did without using the SI.
The point is to use the SI. It'd be like playing a shooter without any enemies.
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Have any of you had that moment where you were almost finished a build, with only the backstory left, and you are smacked with a wall of writer's block. This build is getting more annoying as I try to think of a backstory that won't include the character as a Mary Sue.
With regards to builds, I can kick out characters really quickly. For my Scion of Tem Et Nu build, I only worked on the build for about 2-3 days. Most of the time was trying to find a series of classes that would work well together.
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Diefje
I think someone got a DQ for something like that in a similar competition. Can't remember where exactly, but he made a build that did exactly what the SI did without using the SI.
The point is to use the SI. It'd be like playing a shooter without any enemies.
That was IC E6 2: Monk.
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Are we allowed to switch out the Shadow's Alertness and Dodge feats? The MM seems to suggest that switching out non-bonus feats is fine, but I'd like to get a ruling on this before I proceed.
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I like that this PrC requires Perform Dance as a prerequisite, but doesn't have any abilities linked to it. Kinda makes it feel like a dump skill when you really think about it.
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Cieyrin
We really need to include this in the opening post, if not already there, as it's been asked the last 4 or so challenges.
Yes, that's fine. The only things that are off-limits are 3rd party, Dragon and Dungeon magazine(Dragon Compendium is fine, though some judges don't care for it like they don't care for UA). And generally, judges like to know where you're getting stuff from, so providing a list of sources not only does that but some judges have docked Elegance points for not including a source list.
Updated the OP to clarify on-line source viability, and list those who have thrown their hats into the ring so far as contestants. If I missed your name, let me know.
I'll add the judges' names, linked to their criteria, shortly.
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I've got my second build submitted. It's not as well written as the first one in my opinion, but it works. I won't be working on anymore as trying to get this one to not be like my first one was hard enough, trying to get 1 build to not be like 2 others with a restrictive PrC like this one would be rediculous.
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TheGeckoKing
At last! My build has been submitted, even though I feel the feat selection I settled on was utter tripe (god I hate SD's pre-requirements).
Yup. Same here, I really scraped rock bottom.
As I said, I'd be surprised to see a 3 on my build from any but the "doting judge with candy in her purse at all times". The nice judge. Maybe a 3 in originality, but that's pretty well it :smallwink: What I took to get that shot me in the foot for the other three :smalltongue:
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Zipding
I like that this PrC requires Perform Dance as a prerequisite, but doesn't have any abilities linked to it. Kinda makes it feel like a dump skill when you really think about it.
Yeah... Anyone able to recommend any good homebrew fixes, that actually DANCE? Depending on whether the author is OK with it, I might feature it as a Dessert round SI. In a few months, not right away, of course.
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Amphetryon
Updated the OP to clarify on-line source viability, and list those who have thrown their hats into the ring so far as contestants. If I missed your name, let me know.
I'll add the judges' names, linked to their criteria, shortly.
Ouch. 24 contestants? Nope, I'm not even getting a 2 in originality, no matter WHAT the judges think of mine. Not even from the nice judge :smalltongue:
And since there's more than on entry from some contestants :smallbiggrin: :smalltongue:.... Well, no trophy for me. :smallamused: Maybe HM. Doubt it.
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flabort
Ouch. 24 contestants? Nope, I'm not even getting a 2 in originality, no matter WHAT the judges think of mine. Not even from the nice judge :smalltongue:
And since there's more than on entry from some contestants :smallbiggrin: :smalltongue:.... Well, no trophy for me. :smallamused: Maybe HM. Doubt it.
Don't worry, Diefje won HM despite him hating his overall build last round. Everyone has a chance to win HM, it all depends on what appeals to the people and what they feel didn't quite make it, but is still pretty decent.
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Grey McBannert
Are we allowed to switch out the Shadow's Alertness and Dodge feats? The MM seems to suggest that switching out non-bonus feats is fine, but I'd like to get a ruling on this before I proceed.
1) Switching the Shadow's default feats is allowed.
2) Judges are in no way proscribed from penalizing said switching as they see fit, if it impacts Elegance or UoSI in their eyes. They should probably pick one or the other to penalize for this, though.
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I'm interested in how this turns out. All the previous ingredients had SOME ability that can be used. SD doesn't have anything beyond the odd dip.
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I'll be competing.
(Granted, I said that the last two competitions as well... but I've already gone through the trouble of formatting tables, so it would be a bit silly to back out now.)
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flabort
Ouch. 24 contestants? Nope, I'm not even getting a 2 in originality, no matter WHAT the judges think of mine. Not even from the nice judge :smalltongue:
And since there's more than on entry from some contestants :smallbiggrin: :smalltongue:.... Well, no trophy for me. :smallamused: Maybe HM. Doubt it.
Haha... Feeling your pain here brother =P 24 contestants in what is my first try at IC, no way i'm feeling comfortable about winning anything =P
Though i must admit i do hope for a positive respons in the originality section, with 24 chances are someone got an idea similiar to mine, but c'est le vie =)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground XXVI
I'm going to guess SRD/Core is what made this so popular?
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Grey McBannert
Are we allowed to switch out the Shadow's Alertness and Dodge feats? The MM seems to suggest that switching out non-bonus feats is fine, but I'd like to get a ruling on this before I proceed.
Oh dear. were we supposed to make a separate sheet for the shadow?
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deuxhero
I'm going to guess SRD/Core is what made this so popular?
Yuppers. If you didn't have the book with previous SIs, you'd either need to find it online/buy it, which is actually quite difficult, or not compete.
Since this is within EVERYONE's grasp, well, everyone who couldn't compete before because of that, is now in.
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Zipding
Don't worry, Diefje won HM despite him hating his overall build last round. Everyone has a chance to win HM, it all depends on what appeals to the people and what they feel didn't quite make it, but is still pretty decent.
I hated it as a serious build. It had only 1 cool trick, that depended on general underpreparedness of the "native" people/wildlife around a desert river.
It was still very lulz-y, cause it was a frikkin huge frikkin werehippopotamus with frikkin lazers attached to its frikkin head. OK, there were no lazers... I should have given it lazers...
The point is, there's many things that can make a build awesome. Even if you don't win, you still get all these awesome ideas. And that's awesome.
Awesome awesome awesome
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Venger
Oh dear. were we supposed to make a separate sheet for the shadow?
It just progresses like a Shadow, so you only have a few things to customize. A couple of lines should be fine, unless it's very optimized/customized around the shadow, then you obviously need to lay out what it does etc.
No need for a statblock just for 2 feats you shuffled around.
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flabort
Yuppers. If you didn't have the book with previous SIs, you'd either need to find it online/buy it, which is actually quite difficult, or not compete.
Since this is within EVERYONE's grasp, well, everyone who couldn't compete before because of that, is now in.
Even without that, I feel the DMG prcs (and other early books like CW) are good choice for IC simply because they were made by people with no idea what they were doing making a PRC and it shows (Heavy armor+hide?). Arcane Archer, Blackguard, Duelist and Shadowdancer all stand out (AA alreddy was a key part in the winner for Divine Crusader in an awesome way though)
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OMG PONIES
I feel the need to point out that even mentioning a non-SI class feature you plan on having falls under the "speculation" umbrella...and we try not to open that umbrella here.
my apologies. I was just speaking generally, it wasn't my intent to spoil anyone's build
now that I think on it, doesn't your shadow kill anybody it reduces to 0 str? I know they don't create spawn, but they do still kill you, right?
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No, I'm pretty sure str damage just immobilizes you. Makes you helpless and prone. Con is the only one that results in Dead.
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flabort
No, I'm pretty sure str damage just immobilizes you. Makes you helpless and prone. Con is the only one that results in Dead.
Str - helpless
Dex - paralyzed
Con - dead
Int, Wis, Cha - unconscious
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flabort
Ouch. 24 contestants? Nope, I'm not even getting a 2 in originality, no matter WHAT the judges think of mine. Not even from the nice judge :smalltongue:
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Akto
Haha... Feeling your pain here brother =P 24 contestants in what is my first try at IC, no way i'm feeling comfortable about winning anything =P
24 people expressed interest. I wouldn't be surprised if only a dozen actually submit anything.
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deuxhero
Even without that, I feel the DMG prcs (and other early books like CW) are good choice for IC simply because they were made by people with no idea what they were doing making a PRC and it shows (Heavy armor+full plate?). Arcane Archer, Blackguard, Duelist and Shadowdancer all stand out (AA alreddy was a key part in the winner for Divine Crusader in an awesome way though)
The Arcane Archer came in second, actually. The winner was a Truenamer.