Arena Tournament, Round 19 Finals: Zelandros vs. Shirmish - Final Match

ref chilepepper

Match on hold, need to get a high ref in here to sort something out. Or I just needed to catch up. Seems all is in order.

@Shirmish

Spoiler

Show

From the last time you posted a stat block, your AC is 22. You take 6 damage from the beetle's AoO as you move around it. After you finish your move, the beetle chases you in and attacks, but misses. You then see Zeandros pop up out of the hay at N10.

@Zelandros

Spoiler

Show

When you pop up, you see Shirmish at P18 and a Celestial Giant Fire Beetle at 019 (being the most direct route to chase and attack per your last move for it.

LoS is established between all parties. It is still Zelandros' turn.

@Players:
Please disregard above spoilers and do not look in until I sort out something.

@Chilepepper, Refs:

Spoiler

Show

From Shirmish's last posted position in P18, he would not have LoS to Zel as he stood up. Are my facts wrong here?

Continue play. Sorry for false alarm. spoilers above are correct as posted.

@talic, refs

Spoiler

Show

While partial cover is granted, neither opponent is being sneaky.

Please continue.

Zelandros

"Ack. Invisible Badgera I need you."

Zelandros is going to cast a spell and throw a pokeball at O15, enveloping O16/17 and P16/17 in fog. Which should block LoS between us.

Break down for refs.

Spoiler

Show

Move Action: Already used.
Standard Action: Cast Acid Splash at O15. Since its my thematic spell, it looks like a pokeball. Just like all my summon monster spells :smallbiggrin: The fog is from my cloudy conjuration feat.
Bluff Check: [roll0] - I guess invisible badgers aren't that believable.
Attack Roll: [roll1] I'm not sure if I can actually miss on a touch attack against the ground...
Damage: Doesn't matter
Free Action: Drop Prone

End of Turn

@refs

Spoiler

Show

Feel free to take a peek at post #112. My AC is 29 currently. Full defense, shield, chain shirt, +4 dex, +2 shield of faith and +3 not profane but the other one. I should not take damage unless it rolled a 20. My AC is certainly NOT 22.


Did it roll a 20?

High Ref Paladin Latham

@Bronz:

Spoiler

Show

It did not. They are being crazy. Or just didn't look in spoilers. It didn't get you, thus you take no damage. You may continue.

Initiate Ref Talic

Edit: Ack! Ninja'd
@Bronz:

Spoiler

Show

The beetle did not roll a critical threat. The AoO was a miss, due to your freakin huge AC. Disregard earlier report of your hit.

@Mavian

Spoiler

Show

You can indeed miss a touch attack at the ground. However, since the ground has an effective dex of 0, it has a touch AC of 5. No worries, you hit just fine. Would you actually like the sense motive check rolled by bronz, or would you prefer to forego that roll? Just the request for the roll will tell the player that it's a bluff, and, well, I don't need to explain meta to you, as I've heard several others get dubbed "Mavianesque" for their ability to pounce on rules meta... :)

Please, continue.

Bronz, we need you to roll 1d20 for something. We'll tell you the results of whatever it is. (hah, take that metagaming!)

Shirmish - round 24

Spoiler

Show

I will completely ignore the "invisible badgera" much like I did the beetle (though there is no summon for invisble creatures, but he could be bluffing and it be another beetle or whatever). In any case a summoned creature would have attacked, so I'm not worried.

Since he stood up and cast a spell, AND is in the hay, he can't move or 5' step out of difficult terrain, so he should be in N10. Hopefully he didn't immediate magic out (though I think I would have heard something). Either way, I'm going to gamble now.

Free: Shift
Swift: Move from P18 to N11 and loosing shield between N10 and N11. Drop it in N11
Standard: Spear the hay! at N10.

[roll0] Wow, no wonder I don't melee.
[roll1]
[roll2] 1-50 hits (Since I'm essentially attacking an invisible opponent that I hope is there, concealment applies.

Edit: Forgot second spoiler tag.





Stats!

Spoiler

Show

HP: 11
AC: 23 (+2 Shield of Faith, +3Law, +4 Full Defense)
Current Buffs: Prot from Evil 10/10, Shield of Faith 19/20, Travel Devotion 5/10, Law Devotion 2/10
Current Location: N11

Allllllright.

[roll0]

Guess what? He was lying! There probably isn't a such thing as an Invisible Badgera.

He actually made a bluff check ya see...

Ah, well my turn still stands.

It is Zelandros' turn. Shirmish just poked N10 with his spear and missed, whether you're actually there or not.

Beetle:
Beetle will move and attack if he can reach.
Attack: [roll0]
Damage: [roll1]

Zelandros:

Move Action: Stand Up. I have cover when I start this, so I'm not sure if you get an AoO or not,
Immediate Action: Abrupt Jaunt from N10 to L10
Standard Action: Cast Lesser Orb of Acid.

Attack Roll: [roll2]
Damage: [roll3]

Filling N10/N11 M10/M11 with fog.

Spoiler

Show

Free Action: Drop Prone in L10

It's like Whack-a-mole.

Spoiler

Show

HP: 7
AC: 11
Speed: 30
Position: Prone in L10
Immediate Magic: 1/4
Spells:
0th: 3x Acid Splash
1st: 1x Rapid Summon Monster 1, 1x Rapid Create Trap, 1x Lesser Orb of Acid

Go Beetle!!!!

Crit Confirm: [roll0]
Damage: [roll1]

Initiate Ref Talic

Crit is not confirmed. Natural 20 does hit, however, and Shirmish takes the initial damage posted.

Play continues with remainder of action.

EDIT: To answer the question concerning Shirmish's possible AoO on you, according to quickened spell like abilities in the SRD, the use of them does not provoke Attacks of Opportunity.

@Bronz

Spoiler

Show

Please keep your AC in stat block correctly updated. While my calculations show you still at 23 AC, it's diff bonuses than you have (10+5 dex + 3 armor = 18. +2 Shield of faith, +3 law = 23.) There is no Full defense, as you performed an attack.

Zel's Touch attack on Shirmish also misses, just barely.

@refs

Spoiler

Show

I know we've ruled that hay provides total cover. If that's the case, then the attack in post 129 is invalid. You cannot attack a foe with total cover to you. Bronz applied concealment rules. As the attack missed, there's no mechanical impact, but should we bring this to attention for future reference?

Turn continues.

Actually we both have cover due to the hay, so no AoO's because of that.

Mav, I don't think you could have rolled any better that round. Stupid summoned creatures and their crits.


Shirmish:
Swift: Trudge over to L11. Draw and hold bow in off hand.
Attack: Attack into L10 with spear. Let's hope I do get to "whack a mole"

[roll0]
[roll1]

Again, rolling for concealment (I am assuming that attacking into the hay is much like attacking an invisible creature)

[roll2] 1-50 hits


Stats to come later.

Initiate Ref Talic

No hits this action.

Edit: Not entirely sure that concealment rules apply. Hay has been previously ruled to provide cover, not concealment. Got a post requesting clarification in the waiting room now.

I can understand cover, but I also understand concealment as well. You have to admit, spearing the hay is rather plausible. You can't spear through a rock that provides cover, or something similar though.

I'll wait on a refs judgment.

High Ref Paladin Latham

Ungh. Hay. The issue with hay is whether someone has total cover. I'd say no. We should probably allow people to be able to attack hay as per attacking a square, making it total concealment rather than cover. Other issues can be explained away as difficult terrain. Thats my two cents.

Initiate Ref Talic

For the record, I think that sounds like the most common sense approach. Would people now standing in hay get concealment rather than cover as well?

High Ref Morbius

Hum.. it makes more sense that way, I have to say that I never like the idea of the hay being used as cover

When this match was started, the rules clearly stated that the hay provided cover. To change it in the middle of match is just not cool. Especially when I've based my strategy on rules that were clear in the beginning.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Mavian

When this match was started, the rules clearly stated that the hay provided cover. To change it in the middle of match is just not cool. Especially when I've based my strategy on rules that were clear in the beginning.

---

If we are treating the hay as solid cover, from within the hay, that's fine and I'm good with that (at least for this match). However, I would like my last turn held up to be invalid and given back to me if that was the case, as my actions were based on that I could attack through the hay.

I'm totally fine with that. I just don't want all my careful stratemagizing thrown out due to changing the rules :smallredface:

Shirmish - round redux

Spoiler

Show

I am still going to move to L10.

Swift: Move to L10 (at half speed), moving silently [roll0]
Move: Hide in the hay [roll1]
Standard: Ready an action to attack the mole if he pops his head up again (from hiding)

Round redone. Your go.

The beetle pops back into his poke-ball and vanishes.

Zelandros

Spoiler

Show

Full Round Action: Crawl 5 feet to M10 Normally this would provoke. But due to cover rules.

End of Turn.

Stats:

Spoiler

Show

HP: 7
AC: 11
Speed: 30
Position: Prone in L10
Immediate Magic: 1/4
Spells:
0th: 3x Acid Splash
1st: 1x Rapid Summon Monster 1, 1x Rapid Create Trap, 1x Lesser Orb of Acid

@Bronz:

Spoiler

Show

No LoS.

@Mavian:

Spoiler

Show

No LoS. Make a listen check.

@Refs:

Spoiler

Show

Bronz can still be heard, but not seen (shock!). Though Mavian took 0 by not posting hide or move silently, he is still doing so better than Bronz can hear because of his negative modifiers and the fact that he didn't roll spot or listen, thus taking 0. Yay negative spot and listen!

Shirmish - round 26

Spoiler

Show

I will stay put and use my cover to hide still. Since I didn't move, my 22 from before stands on the hide check.
And it's actually 24 as I am shifted and my armor only gives a -1 penalty, not -2 as I had posted.



Standard: Ready an action to attack Zelandros if LoS is gained.

Done.



Stats!

Spoiler

Show

HP: 3/11
AC: 25 (23 touch) (+3Law, +4 Cover)
Current Buffs: Prot from Evil 10/10, Shield of Faith 20/20, Travel Devotion 5/10, Law Devotion 2/10, Shift 2/5
Current Location: L10 (standing in the hay)

Zelandros

Spoiler

Show

Listen Check: [roll0] For Paladin. Which reminds me.
*Edit Appareantly I have hay stuck in my ears.

Z will continue to belly crawl from M10 to N10. He will attempt to do so quietly this time [roll1]

End of Turn

Stats for Refs:

Spoiler

Show

HP: 7
AC: 11
Speed: 30
Position: Prone in N10
Immediate Magic: 1/4
Spells:
0th: 1x Acid Splash, 3x Acid Splash
1st: 1x Rapid Summon Monster 1, 1x Rapid Create Trap, 1x Lesser Orb of Acid, 1x Lesser Orb of Acid.

@Bronz:

Spoiler

Show

Roll 1d20, I'll tell you what happens. :smallbiggrin: