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Re: Fallout VIII: Another Thread Needs Your Help General
Bethesda games since Todd Howard have always run on the Rule of Cool and frequently nothing resembling common sense. This is just much more obvious in Fallout than Oblivion/Skyrim.
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The Elder Scrolls at least have the excuse of actual, provably functional magic.
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Re: Fallout VIII: Another Thread Needs Your Help General
Yeah, I always wondered "who was the fool that was busy boarding up these buildings while the bombs were falling, or even just after."
At least a number of the larger intact buildings in NV had robots guarding them, which makes some sort of sense, but there are still plenty where you have to wonder why no one bothered to pull down the 3 boards keeping the place shut so they could live in there.
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Re: Fallout VIII: Another Thread Needs Your Help General
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Erloas
Yeah, I always wondered "who was the fool that was busy boarding up these buildings while the bombs were falling, or even just after."
At least a number of the larger intact buildings in NV had robots guarding them, which makes some sort of sense, but there are still plenty where you have to wonder why no one bothered to pull down the 3 boards keeping the place shut so they could live in there.
I wonder if some of the boarded houses weren't plague houses, at some point.
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Could have also conceivably been the disaster mode programming of some robots or another to board up houses and apply preservative spray to the corpses to preserve their skeletons forever. :P
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Re: Fallout VIII: Another Thread Needs Your Help General
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Caelestion
Bethesda games since Todd Howard
So, everything since Arena (more or less)?
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Re: Fallout VIII: Another Thread Needs Your Help General
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Caelestion
Bethesda games since Todd Howard have always run on the Rule of Cool and frequently nothing resembling common sense. This is just much more obvious in Fallout than Oblivion/Skyrim.
I wouldn't call "removal of a kit based spell system because it makes programming more difficult" rule of cool. The focus just shifts away from classical RPG elements towards exploration because that is what people - including me - really like.
I loved Morrowind not for its RPG system (i played a Dunmer Heavy Armor Spell Sword with Acrobatics and Athletics just because it maximized HP) but for its exotic world and the discoveries possible. I discovered a vampire lair, the one goblet that let you change around some of your attributes, all on my own. I always found Dwemer ruins to be incredibly exciting since death loomed in every corner via traps, overpowered automatons and even ghosts. Never even got into alchemy - or built myself those OP spells.
But that is what I love about Skyrim so much. There is always stuff to discover. Granted, after 500 hours I basically know the map of Skyrim by heart. But even with a cashshop, even with always online I would have maybe looked into FO 76. But a bug ridden mess of a game that offers NO incentive to play it while actively shutting down modders? That's a no from me.
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Re: Fallout VIII: Another Thread Needs Your Help General
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Mark Hall
I wonder if some of the boarded houses weren't plague houses, at some point.
That actually makes a good deal of sense, since it's an established part of the lore that the Chinese released an incurable bioweapon in the leadup to the Great War.
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Re: Fallout VIII: Another Thread Needs Your Help General
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Erloas
Yeah, I always wondered "who was the fool that was busy boarding up these buildings while the bombs were falling, or even just after."
At least a number of the larger intact buildings in NV had robots guarding them, which makes some sort of sense, but there are still plenty where you have to wonder why no one bothered to pull down the 3 boards keeping the place shut so they could live in there.
The windows are broken and glass panes aren't easily obtainable? If you can't replace the glass than you want to board it up so animals can't just slip into your home. Or maybe boarding up the windows is to help better block the heat since your home might not have power to run an A/C? Just a couple ideas.
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DigoDragon
The windows are broken and glass panes aren't easily obtainable? If you can't replace the glass than you want to board it up so animals can't just slip into your home. Or maybe boarding up the windows is to help better block the heat since your home might not have power to run an A/C? Just a couple ideas.
If you're living in the house, sure, it makes a lot of sense. I'm thinking all the doors and windows boarded up on houses out in the middle of nowhere, or even in villages/towns, that no one is living in and can't get into.
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In theory it would have been done by people fleeing, and not intending to return, but who would have had the time?
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Triaxx
In theory it would have been done by people fleeing, and not intending to return, but who would have had the time?
Yeah, the time thing is a bit of a problem there, especially since the intro to Fallout 4 shows that the nuclear strike on the US was entirely unexpected--people had a matter of minutes to react, and I doubt boarding up their homes to protect the windows from a nuclear blast would be high on their list of priorities.
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More seriously, it was probably robots though.
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Same bad world building happens with the decaying plants. It made sense-ish in FO 3 when water was rare for plants. But Sanctuary Hills should actually be overwhelmed by plant life. Plants don't care about radiation as much as animals do. Then again, all the mutated fauna isnt particularly realistic either. So maybe don't start to think about it?
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The fauna has an in world explanation, being the product of the combined forces of FEV in the air, and radiation mutating the FEV.
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Re: Fallout VIII: Another Thread Needs Your Help General
Fallout IX: A Robot Did It
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Re: Fallout VIII: Another Thread Needs Your Help General
Fallout IX: T-nine problems, but settlements ain't one.
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Fallout IX: This time its Multiplayer
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Re: Fallout VIII: Another Thread Needs Your Help General
Fallout IX: Multiplayer Never Changes.
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Re: Fallout VIII: Another Thread Needs Your Help General
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Mando Knight
So, everything since Arena (more or less)?
Howard did design work on Daggerfall, but he wasn't the project leader until Redguard and Morrowind. Even so, there's an obvious drop in verisimilitude (and attention to previous lore) between Morrowind and Oblivion.
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You know, as time goes on, I find that the most unrealistic feature of the fallout setting isn't the eight-foot-tall supermen or the plasma weaponry or the power armor; it's that America hit the 50's culture and then never changed.
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Balmas
You know, as time goes on, I find that the most unrealistic feature of the fallout setting isn't the eight-foot-tall supermen or the plasma weaponry or the power armor; it's that America hit the 50's culture and then never changed.
Mm, depending on your thinking, it may or may not be handwavium.
It hit mid-50s, then, thanks to the abundant power and riches, never had the societal frictions that led to the various cultural revolutions in the 60s and 70s, before the war started. In which case, the cultural stuff would be nationalistic fervor in nature (and trashed by survivors who saw where THAT got them).
Handwave fridge logic - on the surface, the 'newer' cultural stuff was destroyed by the nuke blasts and fallout, being at the ready and in prominent locations. The older cultural stuff, being in archives, were less affected. Handwaved - that vaults didn't have the 'newer' cultural stuff, being only equipped with the stuff needed for the various experiments. And the Vault Dwellers reverted to an earlier time out of nostalgia for pre-war times when abundance was the rule.
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sihnfahl
Mm, depending on your thinking, it may or may not be handwavium.
It hit mid-50s, then, thanks to the abundant power and riches, never had the societal frictions that led to the various cultural revolutions in the 60s and 70s, before the war started. In which case, the cultural stuff would be nationalistic fervor in nature (and trashed by survivors who saw where THAT got them).
Handwave fridge logic - on the surface, the 'newer' cultural stuff was destroyed by the nuke blasts and fallout, being at the ready and in prominent locations. The older cultural stuff, being in archives, were less affected. Handwaved - that vaults didn't have the 'newer' cultural stuff, being only equipped with the stuff needed for the various experiments. And the Vault Dwellers reverted to an earlier time out of nostalgia for pre-war times when abundance was the rule.
The entrances to BoS bunkers in New Vegas have graffiti that imply that there was indeed some level of people protesting against the bomb and wanting peace much like the 60's, complete with peace symbol but never caught as much. as well as some graffiti talking about "fight apathy....or don't." which implies a certain level of apathy towards the whole ordeal that led to people just letting the situation escalate to that point instead of doing anything about it.
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Isn't Fallout supposed to be based on the sci-fi of the 1950s? It's all artificial zeerust (TvTropes link; click at your peril).
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SZbNAhL
Isn't Fallout supposed to be based on the sci-fi of the 1950s? It's all artificial
zeerust (TvTropes link; click at your peril).
Yup! Iirc, Chris Avelone made a point in the fallout bible of explaining its based on hokey 50s sci-fi and not modern science.
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Apparently, West Virginia skipped most of the devastation, given the abundant plant life and the lack of deadly smog skies etc just 20 years after the War. It's almost as if the ecological devastation witnessed in F3 200 years later was unrealistic.
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Re: Fallout VIII: Another Thread Needs Your Help General
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Caelestion
Apparently, West Virginia skipped most of the devastation, given the abundant plant life and the lack of deadly smog skies etc just 20 years after the War. It's almost as if the ecological devastation witnessed in F3 200 years later was unrealistic.
As much as I don't want to give Bethesda any credit at all, it's been established that FO nukes have much smaller areas of effect than real world ones, so it sort of makes sense that Washington DC would have been completely devastated while nobody bothered firing nukes at West Virginia. I mean, it's West Virginia. The largest city has 50,000 people.
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SZbNAhL
As much as I don't want to give Bethesda any credit at all, it's been established that FO nukes have much smaller areas of effect than real world ones, so it sort of makes sense that Washington DC would have been completely devastated while nobody bothered firing nukes at West Virginia. I mean, it's West Virginia. The largest city has 50,000 people.
And the fact that WV's primary claim to fame back in the day was the coalfields.
Which ... were presumably knocked down in importance by the nuke industry. Various coal by-products that could not be produced otherwise probably sustained some coalfields on a reduced scale, but otherwise... well, just have to look at real world WV. It's gone from a peak of around 180 short tons in the late 90s to maybe somewhere in the 60-70 short ton range.
That ... makes for a non-important target. About the only thing it'd be good for is an out-of-the-way vault, since there would be presumably a LOT of empty mines just able to be replaced.
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sihnfahl
And the fact that WV's primary claim to fame back in the day was the coalfields.
Which ... were presumably knocked down in importance by the nuke industry. Various coal by-products that could not be produced otherwise probably sustained some coalfields on a reduced scale, but otherwise... well, just have to look at real world WV. It's gone from a peak of around 180 short tons in the late 90s to maybe somewhere in the 60-70 short ton range.
That ... makes for a non-important target. About the only thing it'd be good for is an out-of-the-way vault, since there would be presumably a LOT of empty mines just able to be replaced.
Except for Coal Liquefaction, which basically makes oil from Coal, and the Final War was over a lack of oil in the world, which means that coal would be just as invaluable as oil would be.
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Well, except one of the setting points is that the coal mines were mined out and no longer producing, and the ones that were still profitable were being automated in their entirety.