JANE! ROXY! NOOOOO!!! :smalleek:
Not again. This is Eridan's "****hive meltdown" all over again. :smallfrown:
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JANE! ROXY! NOOOOO!!! :smalleek:
Not again. This is Eridan's "****hive meltdown" all over again. :smallfrown:
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that Roxy's fine. It is faintly possible that she'll need a plot-advancing dream-ressurect, but that was a very suspicious moment for blackout to occur.
Jane could be okay, too, actually, given her poorly-defined crazy life powers. Or maybe Dirk will have to give her a kiss so that she wakes up on Prospit and has a chat with the Queen.
Something I just noticed to add more fuel to the uu is Lord English fire.
uu laughs in the same way as Doc Scratch and Lil Cal.
It's quite simple:
http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=007041 : real injury (but she'll get a corpsesmooch and live on as her dreamself, or she'll do the lifey thing, whatever).
http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=007073 : real injury, but he's just knocked out
http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=007083 : didn't happen, it's just uu's extrapolations
http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=007092 : didn't happen, same reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by [url=http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=007085]uu[/url]
I really like, how Jake calmly puts on his skulltop while falling (dispite flailing wildly a moment before) as if he did such stunts before. That's the adventurers way!
So... I assume now would be a great time for John and Jade to come through the 4th wall and save Jake, then move on to Derse and save Jane? Or Dirk is gonna save Jane with the kiss of life.
Gamzee is still floating around on Jane's planet too, so he could show up and take Jane to save her.
Carapaces will probably help Roxy enter before the miles kill her, and regular Dirk is gonna get helped by Sawtooth and Squarewave because he's unconscious at the moment.
I doubt we'll see any rescue missions just yet; the B1 kids have yet a few years left of their travel time to the new session.
Unless the B1 kids time travel back once they get there. Perfectly possible, at least for the Knight of Time.
I'm pretty sure the scenes with the B1 kids still travelling are set in the 'past'.
The B2 kids are 16, and were 'born' on exactly the same dates as the B1 kids. The journey the B1 kids are taking takes three years. Do the math.
It's more of a narratve argument, really: We've only seen a third of their journey in the intermissions. It would seem strange if the rest was left out.
But we'll see... This is Homestuck after all.
So, status of the kids...
Jane: Probalby dead, but in good position to get a kiss-resurrection as a dream self. On the other hand, she could just come back to life; This might be the flickering of her lantern that was mentioned.
Roxy: ??? May or may not be dead, but one way or another will most likely survive at the very least as her dream self
Jake: Needs to get into the medium soon before he gets burnt from convection, but he's survived head trauma before while wearing that thing, at least.
Dirk: May lose a few superflous Dirks here. OF the four post-scratch kids, he's also the one I'd classify as most likely to die entirely, simply because Roxy and Jake have unfufilled things they need to do, and Jane was suppose to die and then come back to life, but I don't recall Dirk having any such plot armor. Would still feel like a waste of a character. ON the other hand, I could see him joining Vriska and Tavros in their quest to find a way back to the land of the living.
Dirk, Tavros, and Vriska will lead a rebellion on the Dream bubbles the likes of which have never been seen.
They will gather armies, nations even. Every single person that has died, in any timeline, who has touched the game will join them.
Only 6 will make it out.
Wait.
What if they were always meant to fail? What if Dirk, Roxy, Jane, and Jake were always meant to die here and now? At this point, unconsciousness is pretty close to death, as the Miles are still coming.
The game is said to plan for its own outcome. None of them are supposed to even prototype. Their game can't possibly end in victory for them. So what if they're all supposed to die? What if their only purpose is simply to start a game session so that Dave, Rose, Jade, and John could "succeed" with their own worlds?
(Also on a previous point, all the B2 kids can't have been born on the same dates as their B1 counterparts, because the B1 kids were all in the same time period. Half the B2 kids are off by several years.)
That can't be, because the prophecy says that Jane will god tier, and she aint no god tier right now.
She's on Derse, with no one conscious nearby to help. The transportaliser back to LOCAH is buried. No one has any idea where on her planet her Quest Bed is.
Sounds like a good time for Gamzee or the Meteor Crew to arrive.
I could also see a big damn heroes arrival from the rest of the cast, then a cutaway to the third intermission.
Actually, I suspect irregardless of what happens, we're going to see the third intermission soon.
One thing about Homestuck is that it seems to create conventions for the sole purpose of defying them from then on. John is the only classically created god-tier character. Everyone else evolved in circumstances that seemed impossible by conventions: Jade's dream self was dead, Dave and Rose's original selves were dead and their dream selves were nowhere the known quest beds.
I wouldn't expect the outcome from this scenario to derive from any established convention, but rather from little complications that interact in ways we aren't aware they can.
Oh, and one thing that must be said: it's a bit of a surprise that Dirk get's taken down by his dream self getting KOed. I would have thought that would make it easier to focus, but it seems that's a major weak point for the Prince of Hearts if the core takes a hit when an aspect does.
i'd like to point out that Dirk's lamp is still faintly glowing. He's only half-dead:smalltongue:
Kinda off-topic, but look at these characters: Ѽ ѽ
Their name in Unicode is "omega with titlo", Wikipedia claims it's the "ornate omega", but we know the truth here, don't we? It's the pumpkin glyph.
(If your browser does not display unicode characters, have a free "what pumpkin?" joke on the house.)
Gez you are amazingly awesome right now.
Say what you like about Dirk, but when the chips are down, he's very focused on what needs to be done.
It's kinda interesting how much the Post-scratch kids are keeping in theme with their Pre-scratch counterparts.
Jane: Okay, so she's only a good natured lass with a penchant for cooking. If she laughs, though, you know it'll be "Hoo hoo hoo hoo".
Roxy: Alcohol, plus a lot hidden under an inebriated exterior (Mom crushed numerous ridiculously overpowered imps with little visible effort - possibly even the Denizen, though it was never mentioned so I doubt it).
Dirk: Focused. Takes interests to their extremes, including puppets, disturbing imagery, and protecting what he cares about at all costs.
Jake: Adventurous, fearless, trigger-happy, and already dead in at least one sense.
Wait, if Dirk is just going to leave through the Fenestrated window that Roxy still has plugged in, can't the trolls and kids just follow him in there? That way they just bypass the 3 year wait and get on to ass kicking.
That would be cool.
But the kids and trolls aren't bubble selves, they're actually there in the bubble. The meteor entered the bubble and that's where they are. The kids and trolls aren't dreaming like Dirk is, or dead like Aranea or Meenah. They're just there. Once the meteor moves on past the bubble, they won't be there anymore. They could probably go to sleep and find that one, but it wouldn't be the same.
Yeah, they're actually there. It's how the Mayor got healed by Doomed Timeline God-Tier Feferi.
Man, can you imagine what must have gone wrong in that timeline for it to fail with God Tier Eridan and Feferi?
Maybe they aren't from the same timeline? They are from seperate doomed timelines and met up in the dream bubbles.
Hussie has gotten good at sillyfaces.
Also, am I the only one who wants to see Dirk go into Fanboyspasms once he realizes who Dave is? Dave grew up with Bro, and so he'll just be like "Woah, it's my Bro, but tiny". Dirk lives his life in a shrine dedicated to a long dead media personality.
Well, I'm a little confused otherwise. How can a single physical body (without time shenanigans) be both on the meteor and wherever this dream bubble is taking place? If the meteor is moving (and they don't have Sollux to pick up the pace again), how are they not left behind?
How exactly does Terezi lose track of where she was (and honestly think she was back in the past) if she's not asleep? Where are the others, if the meteor truly was just sitting there outside of Terezi's tree? Then she was led to the meeting via the same kind of branch path that Jake was.
Also, John and Jake are explicitly asleep when they meet Meena.
Aranea offered to heal Terezi during an event that certainly had the trappings of a dream, just like Feferi healed the Mayor.
The physical reality of it all (the meteor being static, albeit still shaking, in the dream bubble, with Terezi travelling a long, long way away from it) just doesn't track if they are physically there, and previous instances of dream bubbles are explicitly visited by sleeping people lacking a dream self. How does that work if Terezi is not asleep? Is the dream bubble suddenly moving in sync with the meteor, and behaving like a Star Trek holodeck, where movement is an illusion created by the background moving instead of you?
Of course, if the meteor left without them, that could create an interesting chain of events. Gamzee could have made the Cherubs in a lab already, then the inhabitants get lost in dream bubbles, leaving a seemingly uninhabited meteor careening through space towards Post-scratch Skaia. Just because there is no reckoning doesn't mean there are no defense portals, so the meteor gets thrown to some point in time on Post-scratch Earth, where ultimately Cal and Umbrage are found living on the meteor.
Bleach
The dream bubble is massive. They are on the meteor, which is moving through the dream bubble with them. I guess yeah, it's just the illusion of movement that makes them seem like they're far away from the meteor.
When Jake or John went unconscious, they dreamed in their own dream bubble. Aranea drew John into the central one when she visited him. This created an overlap, two dream bubbles merging into each other. This also happened with John, but he was drawn in my Roxy's weird void powers. Thus, this is a super mega dream bubble that the meteor is moving through was born. They're all on the meteor, but to them it seems like they're on the pink moon because Aranea and Meenah are memorying it up.
It's weird dream shenanigans, it doesn't really make sense, but in its own way it does make sense.
The fact that Eridan didn't end up alone and hated by everyone is exactly why that timeline failed. He had to be irredeemably awful and shunned by everyone until he snaps and goes on a rampage.
It's kinda like that timeline with Godtier Karkat hanging out with Nepeta. If things turn out right for the trolls, and they get to grow up to be better persons and live happily with their close friends or lovers, then clearly the timeline is wrong.
Remember that the right timeline is the one engineered by Doc Scratch to bring about Lord English in the Alternian universe. It actually explains a lot.
The question though is *how* did that Timeline fail? While I respect that LE is engineering the Alpha Timeline, everyone in the Dream Bubble from doomed Timelines had to die to get into the bubble. What sort of Just or Heroic deaths could Godtier Eridan and Feferi have gone through in that timeline?
I'm tempted to think the two died fighting each other. Since Eridan was God Tier he was too powerful for anyone except another God Tier to stop so he killed everyone in the Showdown (including Vriska, because could she really stop a Prince of Hope?). In the end, after Feferi revived from the earlier surprise attack, she returned for vengeance.
That was actually one of the first timelines. Unfortunately, it meant that there were no Aradiabots present to stop the Black King's horrible psychic shockwave. Eridan and all of the other trolls except for Feferi died against the King; as it was a death fighting for the sake of the universe, it was Heroic of Eridan. Feferi died shortly afterwards, for the same reason.
Conveniently, this can explain how the vast majority of the troll timelines failed. That Vast Glub was a real killer.
Incorrect. The right timeline is simply the one that is supposed to happen, simple as that. There is no one engineering it or determining it, it is plain and simple fate. This must happen, because that allows this to occor. if it does not happen, then it is wrong.
People like doc scratch are simply aware of what must and must not happen, and perform their actions when acceptable to ensure that the timeline does not branch off again whenever possible.
That's a very reductionist view of it. By the same token, it is fate that they are engineering and determining situations. Especially when they are omniscient people with powers over both space (as First Guardian) and time (with Sburbian tech like Trollian).
And furtherremore, there's more than one way to do anything. That was specifically said by Vriska a long way back. She decided to make it so that she would be responsible for Jack Noir coming into their world, because she was a narcissist and if they couldn't win, then she wanted that the reason why would be about her. It was implied then that if she hadn't done so, Jack would have come anyway; but then it wouldn't have been because of her.
The characters do have some wiggle room in the massive predestination paradox soup that is Homestuck.
Though i hope that IS broken later on.
If they win/ loose "because god said so" then its just very depressing and sort of lessens the impact of everything.
But I get that otherwise Time Travel would be a nightmare to deal with.
i have a feeling that while traveling on the metior and across the yellow yard, the kids and trolls are kind of "outside" the "this must happen or you all are screwed" rulebook. What happens there happens, and that's it. While inside a game session or universe though, you need to be more careful.
edit: On seccond though... inside universe is probably free of the rules too for the most part. Sure big things like sburb still need to happen, but minor choices wont mess up the entire timeline. it's probabably just stuff that happens within the game itself that needs to be thought about.
I want to give the mayor a hug now.
Apparently someone had a crush on Sleeping beauty :P
Homestuck's going on temporary hiatus.
You may now despair.
Me too, I barely understood the tangled plot that was the yester-arcs.
Guys....
previous to finding this i heard a rumour that they would skip over everything that began before late act 4.
If you excuse me im... im gunna go cry now.
i hope its not true:smallfrown:
Well, if you check out the 4kids wikipedia article for yourself, you'll find that the word "homestuck" doesn't appear in it at all. There's also no citations for it. :smalltongue: