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lord_khaine
Actualy, after thinking a bit about it, i have come to the belief it was just Mirajane engaging in a bit of
Ship-to-ship Combat, attempting to sink the SS Natsulucy on behaff of her sister.
That's what the last part of my paragraph meant, except more from an Doylist perspective.
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have trouble understanding that first sentence, i do belive its a bit fragmentet.
Yeah... I'm trying to remember what I was trying to say but I can't recall. My bad :smalltongue:
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But anyway, Grey didnt outsmart Rufus, he defeated him by cranking his creation speed up to a point where Rufus could not keep up with him, thats just overpowering your oppponent, and it annoy me so greatly because i have seen Hiro do so much better, like in Grey's fight against Urtear, where his way of overcomming what was meant to be a counter towards creation magic were both insightfull and badass. :smallfrown:
I don't know, it feels pretty similar to me. Yeah, creating this fast is kind of a feat of power but not as much as just making some rreally powerful magic to throw at him. On the same level, using your frozn blood is also a case of more power (and smart tricks). (I still hate how Ultear could make trees grow)
@Hopeless. I think Mirajana mentioned finding Edolas-Lisanna's dead body and burying her in place of Lisanna.
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Because grimdark is so, so DEEP. :smallsigh:
Fairy Tail is not dark. It's upbeat, hopeful and happy. If it has to become darker and edgier to be deep, I hope it stays shallow forever.
"We thought that by making your world more violent, we would make it more "realistic", more "adult". God help us if that's what it means."
- Grant Morrison
Off the record, you linked a thing with Squirrel Girl in it. I have to love you forever now.
Anyway, yha, I agree. Fairy Tail is a totally not dark upbeat, hopeful series.
Where in the middle of saying "we believe in the power of friendship" the main villian nearly destroyed the entire main cast, and they only survived due to Deus ex Machina.
I'm just saying, there's a good chance Acologia might be the big blackness that turns the series dark, atleast for awhile, since it's clear that friendship power means nothing to him.
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Off the record, you linked a thing with Squirrel Girl in it. I have to love you forever now.
Squirrel Girl is awesome. I stopped reading New Avengers when she stopped showing up.
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Anyway, yha, I agree. Fairy Tail is a totally not dark upbeat, hopeful series.
Where in the middle of saying "we believe in the power of friendship" the main villian nearly destroyed the entire main cast, and they only survived due to Deus ex Machina.
I'd call that a very minor subversion, since said deus ex machina only happened because of the power of friendship.
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I'm just saying, there's a good chance Acologia might be the big blackness that turns the series dark, atleast for awhile, since it's clear that friendship power means nothing to him.
I think it's just powerful enough that they emotions/friendship what-have-you are not enough. They'll need outside help (I'm guessing the dragons, as either partners or power-ups). I don't expect it to turn dark. At most some people dying for added drama. (This is a cue for lord_khaine's weekly "drama is dead in FT" rant)
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Because grimdark is so, so DEEP.
No, its actualy as shallow as its opposite end of the spektrum, this might come as a surprise to you, but if you move to the ekstreme end of either side, then you cant avoid the final result being kinda flat.
In other words, you need the dark to make the light shine.
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Fairy Tail is not dark. It's upbeat, hopeful and happy. If it has to become darker and edgier to be deep, I hope it stays shallow forever.
Se above for why this is both false, and a bad idea.
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I see your point, but isn't most of what Lucy does just "asking her celestial spirit friends for a helping hand"? I mean, we know that you can use some types of magic without having internal magic, and celestial spirit magic just seems like a good candidate to me since it is largely external.
I dont think think i can remember a singel style of magic that doesnt require some sort of internal magic, what are you thinking about?
And as for Lucy, while you could say that she mostly just ask the spirits for a helping hand, then she is still covering both their traveling expenses and their stay in hard magical currency, something that often ends up leaving her broke.
So while it might be that Lucy is just really weak, then it does look a lot like celestrial spirit magic is one of the most draining magical diciplines we have seen so far.
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That's what the last part of my paragraph meant, except more from an Doylist perspective.
Ahh, you were a bit hard to understand there :smalltongue:
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I don't know, it feels pretty similar to me. Yeah, creating this fast is kind of a feat of power but not as much as just making some rreally powerful magic to throw at him. On the same level, using your frozn blood is also a case of more power (and smart tricks). (I still hate how Ultear could make trees grow)
To me its really just a different demonstration of power, speed kills after all.
And the way i saw it, Rufus knew what he should do, he just wasnt fast enough to do it. If it had been the other way around Grey would have outsmartet him.
Regarding the use of frozen blood however, then i do belive its more a case of determination (to cut himself that badly isnt easy in any way), and insight (realising his blood wouldnt be affected by the arc of time).
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I think it's just powerful enough that they emotions/friendship what-have-you are not enough. They'll need outside help (I'm guessing the dragons, as either partners or power-ups). I don't expect it to turn dark. At most some people dying for added drama. (This is a cue for lord_khaine's weekly "drama is dead in FT" rant)
I wouldnt have to keep ranting about it if you would just stop playing around with the corpse pretending its alive, this isnt Weekend at Bernie's you know....
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No, its actualy as shallow as its opposite end of the spektrum, this might come as a surprise to you, but if you move to the ekstreme end of either side, then you cant avoid the final result being kinda flat.
You see, I disagree completely that both completely positive and completely negative stories can't be deep. It simply has no bearing on the substance of a story. It's simply a choice.
As a sidenote, is English your second language?
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In other words, you need the dark to make the light shine.
As much as I disagree with the thought behind it, that was very well phrased. Congrats.
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I wouldnt have to keep ranting about it if you would just stop playing around with the corpse pretending its alive, this isnt Weekend at Bernie's you know....
This might come as a surprise to you, but not everyone agrees with your opinion. :smallbiggrin:
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You see, I disagree completely that both completely positive and completely negative stories can't be deep. It simply has no bearing on the substance of a story. It's simply a choice.
As a sidenote, is English your second language?
Well fair enough, i have personaly newer seen it done, and the best works of fiction i have read allways made sure to at least contain trace elements of the opposite spectrum.
I guess if i acutaly find a story to prove me wrong then ill change my stance on the point from "cant avoid" to "can allmost newer avoid".
And yes, im from Scandinavia, so my syntax sometimes get a bit unusual.
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As much as I disagree with the thought behind it, that was very well phrased. Congrats.
Why thank you :smallsmile:
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This might come as a surprise to you, but not everyone agrees with your opinion.
Of course not, in Weekend at Bernie's there was 2 clueless guys working hard to make everyone else belive Bernie was still alive :smalltongue:
I just hasnt identified the other guy yet.
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Well fair enough, i have personaly newer seen it done, and the best works of fiction i have read allways made sure to at least contain trace elements of the opposite spectrum.
There is plenty of good work in this area, actually. Wanted, by Mark Millar has metacomentary on why it should suck but it's still very entertaining.
Stormwatch is pretty much this played straight - everyone is a bastard, everyone hates everyone and few of the characters have any redeeming traits at all. Sweeney Todd is also filled with utterly bad people. Hard Candy is about a psychopath vs a child molester. Also, that's basically the point of Warhammer 40K, or so I hear. One example I specially enjoyed was War of the Spider Queen.
In most slice of life stories, you won't find dark overtones. Turma da Mônica, Menino Maluquinho, Shin-chan, Friends, How I Met Your Mother, Amélie Poulan, are all example of stories completely on the lighter side of the spectrum.
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And yes, im from Scandinavia, so my syntax sometimes get a bit unusual.
I thought your spelling was weird, now I understand why.
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Of course not, in Weekend at Bernie's there was 2 clueless guys working hard to make everyone else belive Bernie was still alive :smalltongue:
I just hasnt identified the other guy yet.
Hahahahahaha, I just really wanted to do an ironic echo joke.
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I wouldnt have to keep ranting about it if you would just stop playing around with the corpse pretending its alive, this isnt Weekend at Bernie's you know....
Or, in other words "STOP LIKING THINGS I DON'T LIKE!"
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I dont think think i can remember a singel style of magic that doesnt require some sort of internal magic, what are you thinking about?
And as for Lucy, while you could say that she mostly just ask the spirits for a helping hand, then she is still covering both their traveling expenses and their stay in hard magical currency, something that often ends up leaving her broke.
So while it might be that Lucy is just really weak, then it does look a lot like celestrial spirit magic is one of the most draining magical diciplines we have seen so far.
It occurs to me that Celestial Magic is really expensive (magic wise) because it's a very safe way to fight. After all you don't have to put yourself at risk and can just hide while your minions fight. Lucy really is the exception to that rule in that she sticks around and fights instead of just letting the Celestial Minions fight for her.
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No, its actualy as shallow as its opposite end of the spektrum, this might come as a surprise to you, but if you move to the ekstreme end of either side, then you cant avoid the final result being kinda flat.
In other words, you need the dark to make the light shine.
I don't agree completely with this. I do agree that if someone says that a story is more mature because it is grimdark you need to prepare for a very immature story.
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I dont think think i can remember a singel style of magic that doesnt require some sort of internal magic, what are you thinking about?
And as for Lucy, while you could say that she mostly just ask the spirits for a helping hand, then she is still covering both their traveling expenses and their stay in hard magical currency, something that often ends up leaving her broke.
So while it might be that Lucy is just really weak, then it does look a lot like celestrial spirit magic is one of the most draining magical diciplines we have seen so far.
Porlyusica is a more powerful healer than Wendy, Mystogan went toe to toe with Laxus, and Erza Knightwalker was also almost as strong as Erza Scarlet. All three of them were from Edolas and so had no internal magic. As for the fact that Lucy seems to consume a lot of magical power, you could probably use Lacryma for that.
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New chapter! This one begins with Natsu looking at the designs of the Zero Division from Bleach laughing at the new character's designs. Then some random crap happens that seperates the party into their individual fights.
I'm a little freaked out by the paper mage, and how she says all her paper is god. Feels like a pun of some sort that we're just not getting (maybe since Origami is Paper Art, she's making a pun on how gami can also be read as Kami, which is god or spirit?)
Also, the plant lady. She's...a plant lady.
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I personally believe the main executor's weapons were forged from the ashes of two protagonists from an 80's comedy who died perpetually stuck in the credits montage.
Axe 1: "Oh man, we got this!"
Axe 2: "We so totally got this!"
Axe 1: "This is gonna be sweet!"
Axe 2: "So sweet, bro!"
*Axes high-five, music starts playing.*
"You're the best. Around. No one's ever gonna take us down."
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Also, the plant lady. She's...a plant lady.
She reminds me of Usopp :smallbiggrin:
Well, we got some interesting battles set up, I guess. Of course FT will win, dying is even less a possibility than losing in a tournament.
And I'll agree on the god thing--- probably some joke we're missing out on.
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New chapter! This one begins with Natsu looking at the designs of the Zero Division from Bleach laughing at the new character's designs. Then some random crap happens that seperates the party into their individual fights.
I'm a little freaked out by the paper mage, and how she says all her paper is god. Feels like a pun of some sort that we're just not getting (maybe since Origami is Paper Art, she's making a pun on how gami can also be read as Kami, which is god or spirit?)
Also, the plant lady. She's...a plant lady.
Paper is kami in japanese. So yes it is a pun.
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There is plenty of good work in this area, actually. Wanted, by Mark Millar has metacomentary on why it should suck but it's still very entertaining.
Stormwatch is pretty much this played straight - everyone is a bastard, everyone hates everyone and few of the characters have any redeeming traits at all. Sweeney Todd is also filled with utterly bad people. Hard Candy is about a psychopath vs a child molester. Also, that's basically the point of Warhammer 40K, or so I hear. One example I specially enjoyed was War of the Spider Queen.
In most slice of life stories, you won't find dark overtones. Turma da Mônica, Menino Maluquinho, Shin-chan, Friends, How I Met Your Mother, Amélie Poulan, are all example of stories completely on the lighter side of the spectrum.
Are you sure they are completely on the light side here, no fear, embarrassment or anger whatsoever?
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I thought your spelling was weird, now I understand why.
dam englishmen stealing a large bite of our vocabulary :smallmad:
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Porlyusica is a more powerful healer than Wendy, Mystogan went toe to toe with Laxus, and Erza Knightwalker was also almost as strong as Erza Scarlet. All three of them were from Edolas and so had no internal magic. As for the fact that Lucy seems to consume a lot of magical power, you could probably use Lacryma for that.
But none of those people are able to use a style of magic, Porlyusica is a great doctor and herbalist, Mystogan has a backpack full of magical staves, and Knightwalker had her magical spear, but all the magic is in the items, without them they are significantly weaker.
A mage like Natsu or Grey on the other hand, would continue on fighting with full power even if you striped them naked.
As for the new chapter, annoyingly enough even less drama than in the previously.
-Surprise, Lucy is yet again seperated from her keys, i continue feeling justified in every harsh word i have said about celestrial spirit magic so far :smalltongue:
-Also, apperently the magical champions of the entire Kingdom has their hands full with what is not even the Ace team of FT, clearly the king is only allowed to rule because the guild masters allow him to :smallamused:
-At least it looks like Mirajane is in the mood for some asskicking at last, so the chapter isnt completely wasted.
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But none of those people are able to use a style of magic, Porlyusica is a great doctor and herbalist, Mystogan has a backpack full of magical staves, and Knightwalker had her magical spear, but all the magic is in the items, without them they are significantly weaker.
A mage like Natsu or Grey on the other hand, would continue on fighting with full power even if you striped them naked.
Contrast this with:
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Seriously, celestial spirit magic seems like a prime candidate for use by someone without magic.
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Isn't Loke able to appear without having to be summoned?
Its just that these guys seem remarkably powerful to not have some kind of reputation outside of the head knight.
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Seriously, celestial spirit magic seems like a prime candidate for use by someone without magic.
I honestly dont see the logic here? :smallconfused:
We have several manga's worth of evidence for how serious a drain on your magical energy it is to use celestrial spirit magic, if anything i would considder it the least likely style to be used by someone without a magical reserve.
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Isn't Loke able to appear without having to be summoned?
Yes he is, but that just means its the celestrial spirit Loki who desides to drop by and see how its going, that has nothing to do with celestrial spirit magic, and is even more unreliable than it normaly it (but only a little, unfortunately :smalltongue: )
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Its just that these guys seem remarkably powerful to not have some kind of reputation outside of the head knight.
It just shows how good they actualy are at their job, though i dont considder them powerfull.
If you can go 1 on 1 with someone like Erza, Laxus or Gildartz, then you can call yourself powerfull, else you are not going to get past decent in my book.
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If you can go 1 on 1 with someone like Erza, Laxus or Gildartz, then you can call yourself powerfull, else you are not going to get past decent in my book.
Really that's not fair, there's a reason Fairy Tail is the number one guild in Fiore.
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Really that's not fair, there's a reason Fairy Tail is the number one guild in Fiore.
I just find it funny how the top of the kingdomes magical strenght is apperenly only equal to a random group of FT mages, chosen mostly for their ability to break in and out of secure buildings.
Clearly the only reason the King is still in charge, is that the guild masters allready have their hands full just keeping their members in line :smallamused:
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I just find it funny how the top of the kingdomes magical strenght is apperenly only equal to a random group of FT mages, chosen mostly for their ability to break in and out of secure buildings.
Clearly the only reason the King is still in charge, is that the guild masters allready have their hands full just keeping their members in line :smallamused:
Except even the supposedly second strongest guild in Fiore gets the same treatment. Fairy Tail (and Grimoire Heart) seems to be an outlier.
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Why do you think the governments always coming down so hard on Fairy Tail? Sure they cause a lot of collateral damage, but the truth of it is they're terrified of them. :smalltongue:
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Except even the supposedly second strongest guild in Fiore gets the same treatment. Fairy Tail (and Grimoire Heart) seems to be an outlier.
Not quite sure what part you are replying to here, please elaborate :smallsmile:
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Why do you think the governments always coming down so hard on Fairy Tail? Sure they cause a lot of collateral damage, but the truth of it is they're terrified of them.
Well, it would explain things, but its the magical council who are doing the hard thing, and they should suposedly be able to rely on people like Jura and his fellow 8 saints if they actualy became forced to give FT the smackdown.
Not even Ft would (should) be able to stand against the combined might of the other guilds.
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Not quite sure what part you are replying to here, please elaborate :smallsmile:.
Sorry, the part about the king staying in power. I'm sure his knights are plenty capable of dealing with non-Fairy Tail guilds.
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Sorry, the part about the king staying in power. I'm sure his knights are plenty capable of dealing with non-Fairy Tail guilds.
Ahh, well i would say that atm it seems like the top 4-5 guilds alone would be enough to at least put preassure on the Kingdoms military (cant imagine any number of knights would be able to do anything against Jura or Rufus to start with).
And when there is such an imbalance of power, then i would say the King is only in position because the guild masters let him stay there.
Though i am also wondering about how Bluenote fits into all of this, it was said he used to be in the military, and he was a hades-class wizard, so why dont they have more people on his level of power, was he just a fluke?
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Sheer strength is not the only thing that matters in the world and the guild masters certainly know that. Sure, they could fight everyone and kill the king. Will they be able to trade with other countries after such a hostile takeover? Won't other guilds try to do the same to them, now that they are weakened by the fight? Won't other countries take advantage of the situation to attack? Will the guilds know how to run the country?
It's like saying the president's bodyguard can't protect him because he is not bulletproof, IMHO.
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Sheer strength is not the only thing that matters in the world and the guild masters certainly know that. Sure, they could fight everyone and kill the king. Will they be able to trade with other countries after such a hostile takeover? Won't other guilds try to do the same to them, now that they are weakened by the fight? Won't other countries take advantage of the situation to attack? Will the guilds know how to run the country?
Doesnt look like there is much contact with the outside world, and i dont think the trade would be that important, or disrupted much for that matter.
And we have also seen DS's take on entire guilds of their own, so i dont think anyone below the top 10 guilds will be able to get a say in the matter.
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It's like saying the president's bodyguard can't protect him because he is not bulletproof, IMHO.
I think this analogi is wrong, its more like that 4 of the Barons in the kingdom each has greater military power than the king himself, and he doesnt seem to realise it :smalltongue:
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OH COME ON!!
Just let the pointless mook die a heroic death! Seriously!
Everything else was fine but typical.
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Yeah, for a moment it really got close to an epic scene, but it the way he got saved ruined the mood.
Also, it did not improve things that Natsu apperently is going to stomp the head of the kingdoms magical forces.
Though it does look more and more like the next arc is going to take place in the past.
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Yeah, for a moment it really got close to an epic scene, but it the way he got saved ruined the mood.
Also, it did not improve things that Natsu apperently is going to stomp the head of the kingdoms magical forces.
Though it does look more and more like the next arc is going to take place in the past.
I do wish there would be more tension, but honestly the way he was saved didn't bother me since it fit with what we knew of Lucy's abilities. A lot better than it could have been.
Recently I started reading One Piece, I finally got sort of into it after avoiding it for so long and I'm on chapter 206, Luffy is fighting Crocodile. I bring this up because the one thing One Piece seems to do quite well is create tension. It always seems like the straw hats are about to lose, and it is always believable when they win. Fairy Tail completely fails at creating tension of any sort, although it wasn't always like that.
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Yeah, for a moment it really got close to an epic scene, but it the way he got saved ruined the mood.
Also, it did not improve things that Natsu apperently is going to stomp the head of the kingdoms magical forces.
Though it does look more and more like the next arc is going to take place in the past.
So let me get this straight: "Lucy never has access to her keys, it's so dumb!" Promptly followed by "Lucy has access to her keys, it's so dumb!"
Seriously, this isn't Bleach. There's plenty to enjoy about Fairy Tail. :smalltongue: (the guildmaster's premonition was priceless. :smallbiggrin:)
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OH COME ON!!
Just let the pointless mook die a heroic death! Seriously!
Everything else was fine but typical.
Yeah, pretty much... it would have been a pretty good dramatic scene but apparently... people are not allowed to die on-screen in FT either. (Okay, I'm sure I'm forgetting something here)
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I do wish there would be more tension, but honestly the way he was saved didn't bother me since it fit with what we knew of Lucy's abilities. A lot better than it could have been.
Sorry but NO, it DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. He was clearly engulfed in Lava he should be effing dead. Apart from how it could have been a better scene somehow it doesn't make sense unless FT lava is not what we think of as lava. This really bugs me.
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Recently I started reading One Piece, I finally got sort of into it after avoiding it for so long and I'm on chapter 206, Luffy is fighting Crocodile. I bring this up because the one thing One Piece seems to do quite well is create tension. It always seems like the straw hats are about to lose, and it is always believable when they win. Fairy Tail completely fails at creating tension of any sort, although it wasn't always like that.
I disagree. I think Hiro is able to create tension, like, this chapter was pretty tense because I really thought the guy was dead. But Hiro just doesn't want tension in FT it seems to me. He deliberately ruins every tension he creates or could create because he doesn't want FT to be serious but just fun and action. Of course it's up to personal preference but I feel Hiro would be able to make FT much more dramatic, he just doesn't want to.
Well, we'll see how easily FT disposes of the kingdom elite in the next month or so I guess.
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Recently I started reading One Piece, I finally got sort of into it after avoiding it for so long and I'm on chapter 206, Luffy is fighting Crocodile. I bring this up because the one thing One Piece seems to do quite well is create tension. It always seems like the straw hats are about to lose, and it is always believable when they win. Fairy Tail completely fails at creating tension of any sort, although it wasn't always like that.
Yeah, thats one of the main reasons for why i think OP is currently the best serie of its kind out there
And i do belive that one of the reasons for why that tension is alive, is that once in a while the strawhats does not in fact win, but instead gets stomped, like how we saw early in Zorro's fight against Mihawk, or Luffy's first meeting with Smoker.
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So let me get this straight: "Lucy never has access to her keys, it's so dumb!" Promptly followed by "Lucy has access to her keys, it's so dumb!"
No, you didnt get it straight...
Whats stupid is how Lucy constantly manage to LOSE her keys, and whats bad with the current chapter is how a perfectly good heroic sacrifice was ruined :smallmad:
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Seriously, this isn't Bleach. There's plenty to enjoy about Fairy Tail. (the guildmaster's premonition was priceless. )
Actualy it has gotten to a point where im more interested in the bleach storyline :smallannoyed:
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I disagree. I think Hiro is able to create tension, like, this chapter was pretty tense because I really thought the guy was dead. But Hiro just doesn't want tension in FT it seems to me. He deliberately ruins every tension he creates or could create because he doesn't want FT to be serious but just fun and action. Of course it's up to personal preference but I feel Hiro would be able to make FT much more dramatic, he just doesn't want to.
Yeah, i do think that was enough tension in previous chapters, thats why im so annoyed, because of the sudden shift in direction.
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Well, we'll see how easily FT disposes of the kingdom elite in the next month or so I guess.
This makes me want to cry because its going to be so, and because this isnt even the FT elite thats going to do it :smallfrown:
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I find it funny that we have all these heroic moments for squarenose, how he's trying to save our heroes and how he's sacraficinf himself to save them, when he's probably the villian.
Like, I'm calling this right now. He's actually the villian.
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If it was real lava, they would all have been dead including the caster. Since they were clearly never treating it as real lava, I have no problem with the chapter. Loki being able to easily retrieve the keys gives me hope for Lucy's future as a competent fighter, and yeah, square nose guy is morally ambiguous enough he needs to stick around.
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If it was real lava, they would all have been dead including the caster. Since they were clearly never treating it as real lava, I have no problem with the chapter. Loki being able to easily retrieve the keys gives me hope for Lucy's future as a competent fighter, and yeah, square nose guy is morally ambiguous enough he needs to stick around.
Well, it's magic, so I kind of understand it not being instantly lethal.
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Like, I'm calling this right now. He's actually the villian.
Ok, im calling out against that, he is not an actual villian.
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If it was real lava, they would all have been dead including the caster. Since they were clearly never treating it as real lava, I have no problem with the chapter.
From what i can gather with minimal efford (wikipedia go!), lava can remain liquid at temperature as low as 700 degree celcius, thats not enough to instantaniusly kill the entire room.
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Loki being able to easily retrieve the keys gives me hope for Lucy's future as a competent fighter, and yeah, square nose guy is morally ambiguous enough he needs to stick around.
Loki stepping in once again gives you hope on Lucy's competence:smallconfused:
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Ok, im calling out against that, he is not an actual villian.
Loki stepping in once again gives you hope on Lucy's competence:smallconfused:
I agree I don't believe he is the actual villian. I do expect the Eclipse plan to be activated though, wether it goes as smoothly as thought is something to be seen.
And I would agree, a summoner's summons being competent and being able to overcome the summoner's main weakness makes the summoner more competent.
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I agree I don't believe he is the actual villian. I do expect the Eclipse plan to be activated though, wether it goes as smoothly as thought is something to be seen.
And I would agree, a summoner's summons being competent and being able to overcome the summoner's main weakness makes the summoner more competent.
Well I did call Loki's interference though i didn't expect that!
I agree about the bad ass act being spoiled but will someone tell me how that walking clock could pull that off?!
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And I would agree, a summoner's summons being competent and being able to overcome the summoner's main weakness makes the summoner more competent.
How on earth does that logic work:smallconfused: ?
Loki isnt even acting as a summon atm, he is in his guardian angel role atm, having steppet in though his own magic.
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YES!!!!!!
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Finally, we see that celestial magic isn't useless. and natsu, hwo I love you, let me count the ways: 1 fire uppercut, 2 ironfist fire punch thingie, 3witty comments on how bad the enemy is (and so on).
OK, silliness aside, I liked this chapter. A lot. the fight between Lucy (and friends) and the fisherman was most interesting anyway, so... yeah, glad to see that that got screentime. One thing (lampshaded btw) Why in the name of Acnologia lose Pisces power when immersed in water? Why? why! what stupid reasoning is this?
good to see aquarius actually doing something for Lucy for a change... also panterlily is awesome. he's a good cat for Gajeel.
Wendy shows us that despite her role as support she really is a DS :smallamused: What was it they say on TvTropes?
Beware the nice ones?, damn straight it is.
Oh, and before I forget, Mirajane is awesome and I'd like to see her pounded on her beserkbutton so she wipes the floor with a big bad sometime... I'd totally love to see that (or even better Lisanna, Elfman and Mirajane all three wipe the floor with someone, make it a family affair :smallamused:)
the only thing this comic was missing was Elfman manliness
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I...ok, I'm not 100% sure on this, but I think Pisces is a Wind element zodiac sign, not water as you'd expect, so maaaybe water just reverts them into their weak fish forms, instead of their super awesome forms? I don't know, it's still ridiculous.
I do love how Wendy is basically "I'm a white mage, you can't hurt me with status effects. But at the same time I'm also REALLY AWESOME BOOOOM!"
I love Wendy.
I do like how everyone seems to be "fighting" the person who they're best able to beat. Between them the summoners completely shut down his terrain effects, Panterlilly's hide is as strong as steel (and as pokemon tells us, steel is immune to poison like acid), Wendy is fighting someone who actually can't even hurt her, period (and grass is weak to flying types), Marijene is fighting someone who COULD be a challange, if not for the fact that she's fighting Marijene, and Natsu is fighting a loser and Natsu always fights losers because Natsu always wins.
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I...ok, I'm not 100% sure on this, but I think Pisces is a Wind element zodiac sign, not water as you'd expect, so maaaybe water just reverts them into their weak fish forms, instead of their super awesome forms? I don't know, it's still ridiculous.
Nope. Pisces is a Water-sign in the Zodiac. Interestingly enough, Aquarius is an Air-sign. Aires, Leo, and Saggitarius are fire. Virgo, Capricorn, and Taurus are earth. Gemini, Aquarius, and Libra are air. Cancer, Scorpio, and Pisces are water.
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That was disappointing. Tai VS the summoners was the only battle I actually liked, and even that was cut short.
I don't think the guy Natsu fought even had any magic.
Fairy Tail should really work on its pacing. It's like the series sets up these great fights, then realizes it's going over budget and rushes through the climaxes.
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So another set up fight of epic proportions that is cut short as fast as possible as a curb-stomp for Fairy Tail
Yeah that's pretty much this manga. :smallsigh:
I've pretty much lost all interest in the fight scenes now.
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I do like how everyone seems to be "fighting" the person who they're best able to beat. Between them the summoners completely shut down his terrain effects, Panterlilly's hide is as strong as steel (and as pokemon tells us, steel is immune to poison like acid), Wendy is fighting someone who actually can't even hurt her, period (and grass is weak to flying types), Marijene is fighting someone who COULD be a challange, if not for the fact that she's fighting Marijene, and Natsu is fighting a loser and Natsu always fights losers because Natsu always wins.
This is not Pokemon :smallconfused:
But yeah, good chapter. I can see khaine ranting already but before he arrives... :smalltongue:
The first fight was actually won by luck and strategy. Pisces is a pretty interesting summon, I guess... Mother and Son who turn into fishes... But having a gravity controller to counter the attack was handy. And pulling out Aquarius worked well enough to counter the counter... I still find it weird how Aquarius always is Lucy's trump card.
I didn't like Lily's fight... So he is immune to acid because... he got hit by Gajeel's steel fist? Nope, won't work for me.
Wendy was good, just as Zodiac said. Don't try to poison the white mage.
And Mirahane... it just keeps bugging me that we will probably never learn how powerful she actually is.
Natsu's fight though was entirely dissappointing. We didn't see anything his opponent could do.
Overall... yeah, it is kind of weird how anti-climatic FT handles their "epic battöes" but I guess one should be used to it by now.
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So another set up fight of epic proportions that is cut short as fast as possible as a curb-stomp for Fairy Tail
Yeah that's pretty much this manga.
I've pretty much lost all interest in the fight scenes now.
Yeah that sums it up pretty well.
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Finally, we see that celestial magic isn't useless.
In a 4 vs 1 fight... :smallamused:
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But yeah, good chapter. I can see khaine ranting already but before he arrives...
Been here a while, just doesnt care enough to rant about it anymore :smallsigh:
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The first fight was actually won by luck and strategy. Pisces is a pretty interesting summon, I guess... Mother and Son who turn into fishes... But having a gravity controller to counter the attack was handy. And pulling out Aquarius worked well enough to counter the counter... I still find it weird how Aquarius always is Lucy's trump card.
The way i saw it, Tai allmost managet to beat 4 FT members on his own :smalltongue:
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And Mirahane... it just keeps bugging me that we will probably never learn how powerful she actually is.
Considering that she was Erza's rival when younger, then i would say proberly very close to her in power.
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Overall... yeah, it is kind of weird how anti-climatic FT handles their "epic battöes" but I guess one should be used to it by now.
And it hurt so much comming after the truely epic Grimore Heart arc.
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The way i saw it, Tai allmost managet to beat 4 FT members on his own :smalltongue:
While at this point I hold no delusions about convincing on the benefits of celestial spirit magic, especially when Lucy does admittedly get the short end of the narrative stick a lot in this manga, I must question your math.
4 FT members?
I count 2 summoners, only one of which is FT. Loki shouldn't really count as separate since, being Leo, he's effectively part of Lucy's arsenal. The imperial guy certainly doesn't count unless you think nearly dying and remaining comatose constitutes another person (even then he's not FT).
You aren't counting the cats, are you? Because they're moral support at best, and they don't count for giving Tai the credit of "fighting 4 on 1."
There were so many ways this fight could've been better if it was drawn out a little bit. What could've been some real strategy between two Pokemon trainers celestial spirit summoners ended up really being lucky breaks. (Seriously, Tai's reaction to fighting fish-people is a water spell? And it works?)
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My bad, what i should have said was 3 FT members and 1 former ST member, but i got the memberships confused regarding the new summoner.
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I count 2 summoners, only one of which is FT. Loki shouldn't really count as separate since, being Leo, he's effectively part of Lucy's arsenal. The imperial guy certainly doesn't count unless you think nearly dying and remaining comatose constitutes another person (even then he's not FT).
Loki has 2 seperate hats, since he was a FT mage before he became Lucy's summon, and he does sometimes act independently, like when he became Grey's partner in the S-class exam.
I only count him as a part of Lucy's power when he is summoned by him, else i count him as a FT mage. Still i didnt count him in on the 1 vs 4 at all, since he didnt really do anything there.
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You aren't counting the cats, are you? Because they're moral support at best, and they don't count for giving Tai the credit of "fighting 4 on 1."
I certainly count the cats for a lot more than moral support, their magic is reliable and a force multiplier for slow eartbound humans like Natsu :smallsmile:
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My bad, what i should have said was 3 FT members and 1 former ST member, but i got the memberships confused regarding the new summoner.
Loki has 2 seperate hats, since he was a FT mage before he became Lucy's summon, and he does sometimes act independently, like when he became Grey's partner in the S-class exam.
I only count him as a part of Lucy's power when he is summoned by him, else i count him as a FT mage. Still i didnt count him in on the 1 vs 4 at all, since he didnt really do anything there.
I certainly count the cats for a lot more than moral support, their magic is reliable and a force multiplier for slow eartbound humans like Natsu :smallsmile:
I can't recall the last time Lucy actually summoned Loki. He definitely counts as a part of her power though. If it weren't for her he wouldn't be alive.
And while the cats help out in some fights, they didn't really do anything in this one.
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I can't recall the last time Lucy actually summoned Loki. He definitely counts as a part of her power though. If it weren't for her he wouldn't be alive.
The last time she manually summoned Loki was against Angel during the Oracion Seis arc. In fact I think thats the only time she's manually summoned him.
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Still annoyed at how Natsu's fight went. Hey, here's a guy who's kinda cool looking. We don't see what his magic does, because Natsu won all over his face.
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Considering that she was Erza's rival when younger, then i would say proberly very close to her in power.
The word rival really isn't a good indicator... and then Erza's power itself is hard to determine at times.
So we got a new episode that handled Lucy vs Flare well enough except we still don't know why she didn't just obliterate her using Cancer the whole time or why Asuka's parents and the whole guild is so neglectful. (and we didn't get any more fanservice than in the manga... and Flare is still preeeeeetty crazy)
And we got a new OVA! With everything you'd want out of an FT OVA. Fanservice, fanservice, fanservice!
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But who the **** gives a girl like Wendy alcohol? First Master is bad master... Anyway, overall it was quite funny and entertaining.
Quite a bit of LuNa shipping there, which I really don't mind even though I slightly favor the rival ship.
But wasn't that "Natsu and Happy's house" thing done already? Or was it only in the manga yet? It felt like I saw it already.
And, you know, I like Gajeel and Levi but... I just can't over the fact that their relationship started by Gajeel nearly killing her! What the hell, Hiro?
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I can't recall the last time Lucy actually summoned Loki. He definitely counts as a part of her power though. If it weren't for her he wouldn't be alive.
Ok, according to this logic, allmost all of Fairy Tail is part of Natsus power then, considering how many of them he has saved..:smallconfused:
Sorry, but thats just silly, Loki is a independet entity, and he was a member of Fairy Tail long before he gave Lucy his key.
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And while the cats help out in some fights, they didn't really do anything in this one.
They would have trivialised his ability to turn the ground lethal, so he had to divert attention towards keeping them down, their mere presence was a contribution in that they would lock out options for Tai as long as they were free to act.
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Ok, according to this logic, allmost all of Fairy Tail is part of Natsus power then, considering how many of them he has saved..:smallconfused:
Sorry, but thats just silly, Loki is a independet entity, and he was a member of Fairy Tail long before he gave Lucy his key.
They would have trivialised his ability to turn the ground lethal, so he had to divert attention towards keeping them down, their mere presence was a contribution in that they would lock out options for Tai as long as they were free to act.
Because her saving him reconnected him with the celestial spirit world and she now holds the key.
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Because her saving him reconnected him with the celestial spirit world and she now holds the key.
Yes, and out of the hundred different ways members of FT have saved each other, then what makes this specific way so different that it makes Leo's power count as Lucy's power, but not Lucy's power count as Natsu's?
Its one thing when Lucy summons Leo, he is then a extension of her will, and she uses her magic to substain and argument his present on the physical world. But when Leo act independently he should also be counted as a independent entity.
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Yes, and out of the hundred different ways members of FT have saved each other, then what makes this specific way so different that it makes Leo's power count as Lucy's power, but not Lucy's power count as Natsu's?
Its one thing when Lucy summons Leo, he is then a extension of her will, and she uses her magic to substain and argument his present on the physical world. But when Leo act independently he should also be counted as a independent entity.
Because the whole point of summoning magic is utilizing the strength you gain from the loyalty of your spirits. Leo wouldn't fight as well, or work as hard to be present in her battles if he didn't support her (just look at Aquarius.) Leo has the power to jump from world to world without his key, that does not exclude him from Lucy's line up when he fights on her behalf (and indeed, when he fights away from her, so long as he's in this world.)
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though, to be honest my favorite celestial spirit is Capricorn. he's funny, witty and sarcastic :smallamused: (and hideously strong :smalleek:, he even survived a run-in with natsu for some time)
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Because the whole point of summoning magic is utilizing the strength you gain from the loyalty of your spirits. Leo wouldn't fight as well, or work as hard to be present in her battles if he didn't support her (just look at Aquarius.) Leo has the power to jump from world to world without his key, that does not exclude him from Lucy's line up when he fights on her behalf (and indeed, when he fights away from her, so long as he's in this world.)
No, the point of summoning magic is to call celestrial spirits from the spirit realm to fight for you.
The rest is a matter of being liked, but thats nothing to do with magic, or else the entire Fairy Tail guild would count as Lucy's power, since they all liked her enough to fight it out with Phantom lords for her sake.
But unless Lucy actualy does something with her magical power, then it should not count AS her magical power.
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No, the point of summoning magic is to call celestrial spirits from the spirit realm to fight for you.
The rest is a matter of being liked, but thats nothing to do with magic, or else the entire Fairy Tail guild would count as Lucy's power, since they all liked her enough to fight it out with Phantom lords for her sake.
But unless Lucy actualy does something with her magical power, then it should not count AS her magical power.
I can only say that Friendship is Magic :smallamused:
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I can only say that Friendship is Magic :smallamused:
:smallbiggrin: Good one. I'm sure Hiro would be a fan of MLP, or is, I don't know.
Well, I'd say in Lucy's case it really is much more a matter of a wise choice of her spirits which... not too often appears... Like when she fought Flare... and I better stop thinking about it now. :smallmad: