[PF/DSP] Dreamscarred Press announces ToB-inspired product II: The Rematch

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Originally Posted by Metahuman1

*Shrug.* If you say so.

Though the idea of one that can make 2 custom magic weapons and change them when the need arises still sounds like it would be awesome.

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Then let's leave that to the Soulknife then? I'm going to make archetypes for both the psychic warrior and the soulknife. The psi-warrior I will say is going to get options for Paths based on its discipline access. It has the potential to be quite awesome :smallsmile:

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Originally Posted by Metahuman1

Isn't the soul knife more of a "Kill you from a shadows/don't fight fair" class though? Couldn't that difference be played up?


Alternatively, if the Soulknife as a power's list and Chassie that's good enough to get buy in straight forward melee, maybe come at this from a different angle. Work Soulbound weapon into a Archatype for Soulknife so that they can explicitly make 2 custom magic weapons appropriate to level?

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I'm sorry if I'm stepping over any boundaries here, but I advise you to become more familiar with the Soulknife class before discussing it.

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Originally Posted by Vanitas

I'm sorry if I'm stepping over any boundaries here, but I advise you to become more familiar with the Soulknife class before discussing it.

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I'm not familiar with it, that's why I was asking. That wasn't a "I am being ironic asking this cause as far as I'm concerned I already know the answer." that was "I'm asking cause I actually and looking for a answer."

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Originally Posted by Metahuman1

I'm not familiar with it, that's why I was asking. That wasn't a "I am being ironic asking this cause as far as I'm concerned I already know the answer." that was "I'm asking cause I actually and looking for a answer."

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Well I suppose the easiest way to put it would be that the soulknife is like a psionic fighter. It's more limited than the other psionic classes, but it is very effective in combat, and it can be built to cover a variety of fighting styles. It's full BAB, good hit dice, good armor...Very geared towards being a warrior type character. I hope that helps.

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Originally Posted by Beowulf DW

Well I suppose the easiest way to put it would be that the soulknife is like a psionic fighter. It's more limited than the other psionic classes, but it is very effective in combat, and it can be built to cover a variety of fighting styles. It's full BAB, good hit dice, good armor...Very geared towards being a warrior type character. I hope that helps.

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This link will probably help Metahuman1. Soulknife, this is Metahuman1. Metahuman1, this is Soulknife. This might be the beginning of a wonderful friendship.

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Originally Posted by Beowulf DW

Well I suppose the easiest way to put it would be that the soulknife is like a psionic fighter. It's more limited than the other psionic classes, but it is very effective in combat, and it can be built to cover a variety of fighting styles. It's full BAB, good hit dice, good armor...Very geared towards being a warrior type character. I hope that helps.

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Hm, alright then.

In that case, I propose the Archatype for making 2 weapons you can customize and alter instead of one for soul knife, and then that feat to let them stack with a Martial Adept for advancing 1 or 2 key class features and psionic Manifesting/Martial Maneuver advancement.

That would be the TWF feat that would actually make TWF every inch as good as THF.

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Originally Posted by Metahuman1

Hm, alright then.

In that case, I propose the Archatype for making 2 weapons you can customize and alter instead of one for soul knife, and then that feat to let them stack with a Martial Adept for advancing 1 or 2 key class features and psionic Manifesting/Martial Maneuver advancement.

That would be the TWF feat that would actually make TWF every inch as good as THF.

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You can make two weapons with the Soulknife. You can explicitly make two weapons with the Soulknife, and there are plenty of blade skills that improve TWF.

That being said, I would like a Gifted Blade-style initiator who gives up psychic strike for limited initiating.

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Originally Posted by Novawurmson

You can make two weapons with the Soulknife. You can explicitly make two weapons with the Soulknife, and there are plenty of blade skills that improve TWF.

That being said, I would like a Gifted Blade-style initiator who gives up psychic strike for limited initiating.

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I think just taking Martial Training would work better than that. Psychic Strike has strong synergy with martial strikes.

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Originally Posted by Vanitas

I think just taking Martial Training would work better than that. Psychic Strike has strong synergy with martial strikes.

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For slightly more burst damage, which maneuvers already amply provide.


And more importantly, only two archetypes currently trade out Psychic Strike, meaning a martial archetype that traded on those would work with most of the others (which is one of the best features of Gifted Blade). I'd wish a maneuver-granting archetype being compatible with, say, Nimble Blade and Deadly Fist.

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Originally Posted by Vanitas

This link will probably help Metahuman1. Soulknife, this is Metahuman1. Metahuman1, this is Soulknife. This might be the beginning of a wonderful friendship.

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Spiffy, but needs one thing. The ability to manifest 2 one handed weapons and TWF with them!

And a feat to let it stack with things like Stalker or Warlord for Maneuvers/weapons/psionic powers/ext.

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Originally Posted by Metahuman1

Spiffy, but needs one thing. The ability to manifest 2 one handed weapons and TWF with them!

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You should take another look:

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Originally Posted by Psionics Unleashed

If the soulknife's chosen form is a light weapon, she may choose to form two light weapons when forming her mind blade if she so chooses, but she suffers the standard penalties for two-weapon fighting.

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Originally Posted by Metahuman1

And a feat to let it stack with things like Stalker or Warlord for Maneuvers/weapons/psionic powers/ext.

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Multiclass feats (a la Swift Hunter) aren't really a thing in PF. Things that progress manifesting also work on the blade, though, so Manifester/Initiate PrC would work.

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Originally Posted by Osagasu

You should take another look:

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Well, technically, Soulknife can't get two one-handed weapons, only two light or one-handed and light. I'm not sure why one would want to eat the higher penalties, but eh.

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Originally Posted by Greenish

Well, technically, Soulknife can't get two one-handed weapons, only two light or one-handed and light. I'm not sure why one would want to eat the higher penalties, but eh.

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Actually you can get even that with the Emulate Melee Weapon blade skill - just choose a one-handed weapon.

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Originally Posted by Vanitas

Actually you can get even that with the Emulate Melee Weapon blade skill - just choose a one-handed weapon.

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Hmm, I guess it could be read that way, but it strikes me as a stretch.

Duel Katana's, that's why one might want it. And Emlutate blade skill huh? Sounds good.

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Originally Posted by Metahuman1

Duel Katana's, that's why one might want it. And Emlutate blade skill huh? Sounds good.

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Eh, I'd rather wakizashi and katana, less penalty for only on average 1 point of damage less.

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Originally Posted by ErrantX

Eh, I'd rather wakizashi and katana, less penalty for only on average 1 point of damage less.

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Yeah, but the cool factor is worth more than all the to-hit penalties in the world.

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Originally Posted by Craft (Cheese)

Yeah, but the cool factor is worth more than all the to-hit penalties in the world.

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I'm with you. I'm not doing it cause I want to make the attacks uber more powerful (That's the job of other things like maneuvers, stat boosts, Psi-powers, so on.), I'm doing it cause duel full length katanas drawn up on someone while you tell them "Come." just oozes cool factor. And it would be awesome not to have to have major mechanical draw backs to doing something cause it's cool.

I feel this picture is relevant :

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As is this.

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Now I realize this game really needs a way to dual wield One-Handed Weapons with a penalty to defense rather than attack.

While I concede the Lloyd Irving point, please keep in mind that twin katanas tend to be a favorite of Mary Sue characters. Also, Musashi used wakizashi and katana. So there's that.

Also, those are straight-swords in the image.:smalltongue:

Sith: I know, but STILL!

Beowulf: Like who?

And I'm not doing is cause Mary Sue, I'm doing it cause freaking LOOK'S awesome. Maybe in a real fight I'd feel differently and get a different option. But it's D&D, Cinematography, rule of cool and style should count as much for anything.

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Originally Posted by Metahuman1

Beowulf: Like who?

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The Weeboo is not strong in this one.

He was one of the most infamous ronin of all time, who bested everyone he met using his cunning and unusual tactics. He serious only had a tie against one Bo wielder and that was the closest he ever really came to losing. Many samurai anime base at least 1 character around him.

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Originally Posted by Beowulf DW

While I concede the Lloyd Irving point, please keep in mind that twin katanas tend to be a favorite of Mary Sue characters.

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I don't really see your point.

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Originally Posted by Chained Birds

The Weeboo is not strong in this one.

He was one of the most infamous ronin of all time, who bested everyone he met using his cunning and unusual tactics. He serious only had a tie against one Bo wielder and that was the closest he ever really came to losing. Many samurai anime base at least 1 character around him.

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I like Miyamoto Mushashi as much as the next guy but he didn't use duel katana. He used single sword, spear, Ju-jitsu, Iai-jutsu, Wakazashi, Katana + Wakazashi and just a freaking stick or boat ore, but he didn't really do Katana + Katana.

So, how would this be relevant, if I wanted to be Mushashi I'd just be content with one handed sword or sword + short sword. That's not what I'm angleing for here.


Also, I like the idea of a feat that lets you duel wield 1 handed weapons at no extra penalty. Maybe go a step further and make it let you duel wield at a -2 to AC instead of attack as Raven777 suggested.

And while were at it, as a special deal, if a soul knife takes this feat, he can manifest 2 one handed swords instead of just two lights or a light and a one handed.

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Originally Posted by Metahuman1

I like Miyamoto Mushashi as much as the next guy but he didn't use duel katana. He used single sword, spear, Ju-jitsu, Iai-jutsu, Wakazashi, Katana + Wakazashi and just a freaking stick or boat ore, but he didn't really do Katana + Katana.

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I thought you were asking who he was? Though I guess you were questioning his name drop in an ironic sense or something.

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Originally Posted by Metahuman1

I like Miyamoto Mushashi as much as the next guy but he didn't use duel katana. He used single sword, spear, Ju-jitsu, Iai-jutsu, Wakazashi, Katana + Wakazashi and just a freaking stick or boat ore, but he didn't really do Katana + Katana.

So, how would this be relevant, if I wanted to be Mushashi I'd just be content with one handed sword or sword + short sword. That's not what I'm angleing for here.


Also, I like the idea of a feat that lets you duel wield 1 handed weapons at no extra penalty. Maybe go a step further and make it let you duel wield at a -2 to AC instead of attack as Raven777 suggested.

And while were at it, as a special deal, if a soul knife takes this feat, he can manifest 2 one handed swords instead of just two lights or a light and a one handed.

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I bring it up as a point in favor of what Errant said.

Also:

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Jotungrip (Ex)

At 2nd level, a titan mauler may choose to wield a two-handed melee weapon in one hand with a –2 penalty on attack rolls while doing so. The weapon must be appropriately sized for her, and it is treated as one-handed when determining the effect of Power Attack, Strength bonus to damage, and the like.

This ability replaces uncanny dodge.

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I've been theorycrafting a Cloud Strife build using lots of dex, Weapon Finesse, two Elven Curved blades, Improved Crit and the Beast Totem powers to achieve total dual-wielding ridiculousness. I sincerely hope that any martial archetype for the Barbarian will be compatible with Titan Mauler.

*TotallynotlookingatErrant*

No Irony, and stupidly oversized final fantasy weapons are fun and all but once more, not really what I was aiming for.