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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
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Originally Posted by
SZbNAhL
My Italian's not brilliant, but doesn't Sparafucile mean "fires easily"? The Foglios sure love their puns.
Rifle-shooter. Sparafacile would be "easy shooter".
Sparafucile is a hired assassin in the opera Rigoletto. The libretto of the opera was based on Hugo's drama Le roi s'amuse, which has a killer named Saltabadil instead ("shovel jumper").
In Italian literature, such names are generally inspired by the names created by Dante for some devils (Calcabrina = Frost-treader, Graffiacane = Dog-scratcher).
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
It occurs to me that while Agatha is working on something, who said that it was the device that is going to get rid of her mother? :smallconfused: Tarvek knows the Other is influencing Agatha and Agatha doesn't even trust herself too far. So why not work on something else to keep Lu distracted?
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
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HandofShadows
It occurs to me that while Agatha is working on something, who said that it was the device that is going to get rid of her mother? :smallconfused: Tarvek knows the Other is influencing Agatha and Agatha doesn't even trust herself too far. So why not work on something else to keep Lu distracted?
I sure hope there's some kind of twist here, and Tarvek wasn't so stupid as to let Agatha/Lu freely work on the extraction machine, instead of tying her to a chair like they did the first time around.
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
I cant help but notice that as of right now, everyone that could be listed as primarily a fighter is gone. I mean yes tarvek and gil and martellus can fight, but they arent smoke knights, or jagers. This could be bad.
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
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Traab
I cant help but notice that as of right now, everyone that could be listed as primarily a fighter is gone. I mean yes tarvek and gil and martellus can fight, but they arent smoke knights, or jagers. This could be bad.
Lucrezia isn't exactly a great fighter herself, the only real advantage she has is that Gil and Tarvek don't want to risk any permanent harm to Agatha.
Unless the defense team lets a few of the special forces through I'm not seeing Lu as being a real threat to three sparks in a brawl, she's going to have to rely on whatever she's done to the machinery.
Also Tarvek and Martellus are trained as smoke knights as I recall, Violetta once commented she thought Tarvek hadn't been paying attention when they had lessons together. Martellus has shown the ability to defeat smoke knights before and Tarvek has demonstrated some smoke knight tricks in the past. That said, Martellus is with the defense team not the spark team so his abilities are largely irrelevant.
Trelawney is probably a good fighter, 'Spark of the Realm' and all that.
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
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Grim Portent
Lucrezia isn't exactly a great fighter herself, the only real advantage she has is that Gil and Tarvek don't want to risk any permanent harm to Agatha.
Unless the defense team lets a few of the special forces through I'm not seeing Lu as being a real threat to three sparks in a brawl, she's going to have to rely on whatever she's done to the machinery.
Also Tarvek and Martellus are trained as smoke knights as I recall, Violetta once commented she thought Tarvek hadn't been paying attention when they had lessons together. Martellus has shown the ability to defeat smoke knights before and Tarvek has demonstrated some smoke knight tricks in the past. That said, Martellus is with the defense team not the spark team so his abilities are largely irrelevant.
Trelawney is probably a good fighter, 'Spark of the Realm' and all that.
In addition to that, didn't Gill at one point Supplex a mech? And I'm fairly certain the baron will have taught him a thing or twenty about personal defense and offence, so I wouldn't be too worried about the amount of offensive capabilities in that room.
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I think Martellus should tank while Gil singles out opponents and Tarvek backstabs them.
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My point was more that the number of people present who could get in her way are dropping rapidly. Not that she is going to steamroll them.
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
Looking at that grin, I'm suddenly wondering if Sparafucile is related to Bangladesh Dupree.
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
I wonder if she’s met Gil’s spymistress.
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
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Kareasint
They say that it's important to enjoy your work but Sparafucile might be enjoying it too much.
Tweedle does seem to have a lot of cohorts like that - the Hounds are exactly the same.
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
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Traab
I cant help but notice that as of right now, everyone that could be listed as primarily a fighter is gone. I mean yes tarvek and gil and martellus can fight, but they arent smoke knights, or jagers. This could be bad.
Gil is a top notch fighter who has proven his skill many times in this comic. And that included beating up Jagers and slaughtering four sparkwolves in as may seconds. About the only person that would be on Gil's level here is Higgs. Tweedle might think he is better than Gil, but I don't think it's a real contest. In a way you are doing the same think Gil is mad about when he kicked the tar out of Vol. You are totally underestimating him.
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Tweedle is no slouch either - he fought on par with Dupree in that same scene. And he was in the same room as the apparatus as recently as last page, which means that Zeetha is also in the room. And Zeetha was able to beat up Lucrezia while she was hopped up on a revivification rush.
If it came to a brawl, Lucrezia would go down hard. What she did to the device is far more concerning.
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
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HandofShadows
Gil is a top notch fighter who has proven his skill many times in this comic. And that included
beating up Jagers and
slaughtering four sparkwolves in as may seconds. About the only person that would be on Gil's level here is Higgs. Tweedle might think he is better than Gil, but I don't think it's a real contest. In a way you are doing the same think Gil is mad about when he kicked the tar out of Vol. You are totally underestimating him.
People also have a tendency to underestimate Martellus. This is a man who survived in the Sturmvorous family not by being a brilliant schemer like Tarvek or Seffie, but by killing every assassin sent after him. And we've seen the kinds of assassins that family has. He's like the Mustrum Ridcully of sparks.
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
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Traab
I cant help but notice that as of right now, everyone that could be listed as primarily a fighter is gone. I mean yes tarvek and gil and martellus can fight, but they arent smoke knights, or jagers. This could be bad.
Anyone who could shout "Focus!" or otherwise ground the sparks, are also gone. We have a room full of Europe's most powerful sparks and not a proper grounder among them! :eek:
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
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xroads
Anyone who could shout "Focus!" or otherwise ground the sparks, are also gone. We have a room full of Europe's most powerful sparks and not a proper grounder among them! :eek:
This would be a wonderful time for flushing... :smallbiggrin:
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
Maxim's nose is starting to bug me. When did it get so long?
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gbs5009
Maxim's nose is starting to bug me. When did it get so long?
When he started telling lies.
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gbs5009
Maxim's nose is starting to bug me. When did it get so long?
Is it getting longer? Or is the rest of the world getting shorter? We may never know....
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
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HandofShadows
In a way you are doing the same think Gil is mad about when he kicked the tar out of Vol. You are totally underestimating him.
Gil seems to need to be in the right mindset to do that sort of stuff, though. In his second encounter with Vole he got thoroughly trounced.
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
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xroads
Anyone who could shout "Focus!" or otherwise ground the sparks, are also gone. We have a room full of Europe's most powerful sparks and not a proper grounder among them! :eek:
What could possibly go wrong!? :smallbiggrin:
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
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Originally Posted by
SZbNAhL
People also have a tendency to underestimate Martellus. This is a man who survived in the Sturmvorous family not by being a brilliant schemer like Tarvek or Seffie, but by killing every assassin sent after him. And we've seen the kinds of assassins that family has. He's like the Mustrum Ridcully of sparks.
Tweedle is a good fighter no doubt. But all we have seen is that he uses a lot of brute force tactics. And he is physically large and strong enough for them to work. But we have never seen him be a *smart* fighter. Take Tweedle's fight with Bang. If not for his armor he would have been dead several times over. As for the Sturmvorous assassins let's think a moment. They are Storm Nights and the top Strom Knights are called Night Masters. We saw Tweedle's top assassin slaughter Storm Knights and Pirates as well as kick Tarvek around. But that same Night Master was utterly outclassed by Bang. And guess who Gil spars with and was one of his teachers in fighting (and is now at least as good if not better than)? Again Bang.
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factotum
Gil seems to need to be in the right mindset to do that sort of stuff, though. In his second encounter with Vole he got thoroughly trounced.
That's because he didn't take Vole seriously the 2nd time. When he did the 3rd time, Gil wiped the floor with him.
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
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HandofShadows
That's because he didn't take Vole seriously the 2nd time. When he did the 3rd time, Gil wiped the floor with him.
How does that contradict my point about Gil having to be in the right mindset? Not taking someone seriously is entirely a matter of mindset!
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Tweedle is not a smart fighter. He's a dirty fighter, and pretty good at it as even Tarvek admits.
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
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HandofShadows
They are Storm Nights and the top Strom Knights are called Night Masters.
Just to nitpick, we've been given no indication that Smoke Knights and Night Masters are in any way related.
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geoduck
Just to nitpick, we've been given no indication that Smoke Knights and Night Masters are in any way related.
Other than they seem to have similar abilities and tactics. :smallwink:
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
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HandofShadows
Other than they seem to have similar abilities and tactics. :smallwink:
That could be a result of them both being in the Storm King Family's employ moreso than the groups themselves being related. You tell a group of soldiers to go do assassinations instead of fight battles, eventually their skillsets will adapt for stealth.
Though there's still a 95% chance of the two being different tiers of the same organization.
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Wouldn't be surprising if they were their own thing, but them being elite Smoke Knights would be equally unsurprising.
Jaron did mention "they" hit Andronicus with tons of poison after Tweedle said "his Smoke Knights" were softening Valois with it, but that isn't much of a proof for anything.
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
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Divayth Fyr
Wouldn't be surprising if they were their own thing, but them being elite Smoke Knights would be equally unsurprising.
Jaron
did mention "they" hit Andronicus with tons of poison after Tweedle said "his Smoke Knights" were softening Valois with it, but that isn't much of a proof for anything.
Come to think of it, why would they ever expect that a clearly revived being that's green with parts of his skin melted off would be vulnerable to poison? I would imagine that constructs and many experiments as a whole can be hit by poison, by they had no idea what he was, only that he was more powerful than anything else.
I guess they just did it because they weren't sure what else to do?
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
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Squire Doodad
Come to think of it, why would they ever expect that a clearly revived being that's green with parts of his skin melted off would be vulnerable to poison? I would imagine that constructs and many experiments as a whole can be hit by poison, by they had no idea what he was, only that he was more powerful than anything else.
I guess they just did it because they weren't sure what else to do?
Well, they have some very potent and specialized poinsons in the GG-verse, with all the clanks and constructs running around, I wouldn't be surprized if some were made specially to deal with creatures that are far beyond normal poisons.
Also, remember the stuff that melted Dimo's hand? He specifically called it a poison, maybe what the Knights used was supposed to be of a similiar potency?