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Re: MS Paint Adventures V: THIS IS STUPID
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Draconi Redfir
Care to point out were?
Upon doublechecking, she only proves awareness of the existence of two iterations of the troll universe, and doesn't actually say she's from one of them.
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Do those look like Aradia's horns to you?:smallconfused: (Or the horns of ANY of the trolls for that matter?)
Oh, that's true, we've seen what the Handmaiden's horns look like, and they seem to be the same as Aradia's only a lot longer.
In fact, her horns look almost exactly like a grown up version of...
Oh Gog.
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Re: MS Paint Adventures V: THIS IS STUPID
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Friv
Upon doublechecking, she only
proves awareness of the existence of two iterations of the troll universe, and doesn't actually say she's from one of them.
Exactly.
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Oh, that's true, we've seen what the Handmaiden's horns look like, and they seem to be the same as Aradia's only a lot longer.
In fact, her horns look almost exactly like a grown up version of...
Oh Gog.
Yeahhh probably not.
The fact of the matter is that not only have we seen and met all twelve trolls, but also we have seen and met all twelve ancestors, and not a single one of them matches up physically or biologically. So unless she's from a now-canonized second session from Alternia (in which case eat it suckers my Fantrolls are totes legit), then the only possibility for her existence would be as a descendent of the few surviving trolls we now have. (Karkat, Kanaya, Terezi, Gamzee.) And throw in the bonus feature of the ability to create a Matriorb from a Fedora, and vuala! Instant revival of an entire species!
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Re: MS Paint Adventures V: THIS IS STUPID
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Draconi Redfir
Yeahhh probably not.
The fact of the matter is that not only have we seen and met all twelve trolls, but also we have seen and met all twelve ancestors, and not a single one of them matches up physically or biologically. So unless she's from a now-canonized second session from Alternia (in which case eat it suckers my Fantrolls are totes legit), then the only possibility for her existence would be as a descendent of the few surviving trolls we now have. (Karkat, Kanaya, Terezi, Gamzee.) And throw in the bonus feature of the ability to create a Matriorb from a Fedora, and vuala! Instant revival of an entire species!
Yeah, I've been looking through the Ancestors and the only one with horns that look anything like UU's is the Grand Highblood... who is male and a psychotic bloodthirsty killer. So yeah. Looks like there's a third generation (I use the word loosely) of Trolls about.
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Re: MS Paint Adventures V: THIS IS STUPID
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Kizor
I tried Pesterchum and I'd like to thank someone in this thread. I don't remember her handle or her nick, but she did a fine performance as a melancholy troll girl.
Apparently she was the Queen of Heart, and wondered if she was doing it wrong, since her only ability seemed to be decapitating people. She'd been through a lot, the poor thing: apparently they started off with a homicidal lowblood anarchist and a Seer of Time with a penchant for biting things, and it had gone downhill from there.
It probably would've been polite to give her more space, and let her voice her ideas. I decided some way into this that I was a mad tinkerer, eager to inform an audience about the wonders of my nuclear-explosion-on-a-stick and ectobiological ideas, less concerned about the bystanders. Of course I dominated the conversation before that, too.
THAT WASS PROBABLY ME
I MEAN I GUESSS IT SSTILL ISS ME SSINCE I NEVER SSTOPPED BEING ME :V
BUT YEAH YOURE WELCOME, IT WASS KIND OF NICE TO TALK TO SSOMEONE WHOSSE SSESSSION DIDNT TOTALLY END UP NULL
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Lix Lorn
I know who that iiiiiiis
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Don't remember their handle though.
draconianComposer. Still usually up for chat/RP if anyone else is. :smalltongue:
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I dunno which generation to which UU belongs, but I think Hussie's trying to lure us into believing she's either related to, is, or somehow inspired the idea of Calmasis. 8 letter name might just be a coincidence, though.
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Re: MS Paint Adventures V: THIS IS STUPID
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Draconi Redfir
Yeahhh probably not.
The fact of the matter is that not only have we seen and met all twelve trolls, but also we have seen and met all twelve ancestors, and not a single one of them matches up physically or biologically. So unless she's from a now-canonized second session from Alternia (in which case eat it suckers my Fantrolls are totes legit), then the only possibility for her existence would be as a descendent of the few surviving trolls we now have. (Karkat, Kanaya, Terezi, Gamzee.) And throw in the bonus feature of the ability to create a Matriorb from a Fedora, and vuala! Instant revival of an entire species!
Nah, when we saw Dualscar it was only in extreme shadow, and the tops of his horns weren't visible. I was mostly commenting on the fact that he has the same three-tiered color scheme as UU, and that he has the same zig-zag pattern as UU does. It is quite probably a coincidence, but I'm still not certain. It's certainly a possibility that UU is someone totally new, I just feel like we're late in the game for that to be the case.
(And if I'm going to be pedantic, we don't actually know that UU is female, only that the kids think UU is female.)
(Of course, all of this presupposes that the ancestors in A1 have the same physical shapes as the ancestors in A2, but given that the kids and adults in B1 and B2 have the same shapes, that seems like a good bet.)
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Re: MS Paint Adventures V: THIS IS STUPID
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Friv
(And if I'm going to be pedantic, we don't actually know that UU is female, only that the kids think UU is female.)
Also, she says she's a girl (very end of the pesterlog). I suppose she could be a male girl. Or lying. Or a hallucination created by some poor, snapped protagonist who imagined the whole thing in an asylum somewhere.
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Arrghus
male girl.
I understand what you meant, but i can't help but see this as an inexplicable paradox :smalltongue:
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Re: MS Paint Adventures V: THIS IS STUPID
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Friv
In fact, her horns look almost exactly like a grown up version of...
Oh Gog.
Nah. Her horns look completely exactly like snakes. Sneaky snaky snakes. Snake, snake, serpentine, reptilian, herpetologic, ophidian, snake.
That's because her associated constellation is Ophiuchus, the Serpent.
There's pretty much no other meaning than this. Or haven't you noticed already that trolls usually had horns shaped in relation to their lusus/zodiacal sign?
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Gez
Nah. Her horns look completely exactly like snakes. Sneaky snaky snakes. Snake, snake, serpentine, reptilian, herpetologic, ophidian, snake.
That's because her associated constellation is Ophiuchus, the Serpent.
There's pretty much no other meaning than this. Or haven't you noticed already that trolls usually had horns shaped in relation to their lusus/zodiacal sign?
... I had not.
I'll just be over here.
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Re: MS Paint Adventures V: THIS IS STUPID
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Derjuin
THAT WASS PROBABLY ME
I MEAN I GUESSS IT SSTILL ISS ME SSINCE I NEVER SSTOPPED BEING ME :V
BUT YEAH YOURE WELCOME, IT WASS KIND OF NICE TO TALK TO SSOMEONE WHOSSE SSESSSION DIDNT TOTALLY END UP NULL
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~zo if you are already uzing the double ezz letter for your quirk maybe i should uze the zed one inztead♪ i would hate to wind up coppying a highblodz quirk if i could help it♪~
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Re: MS Paint Adventures V: THIS IS STUPID
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Friv
Nah, when we saw Dualscar it was only in extreme shadow, and the tops of his horns weren't visible.
Actually, we did see his horns.
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Re: MS Paint Adventures V: THIS IS STUPID
UU has a brother? Is this a 14th troll?
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Maybe it's just Gamzee.
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I don't think UU is an indigo blood.
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Re: MS Paint Adventures V: THIS IS STUPID
Hi, guys. Hope I'm not butting in, but I've been thinking about this and I have some input and another thing.
First, an idea about the classes of UU and her "brother".
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irenicObserver
UU has a brother? Is this a 14th troll?
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Maybe it's just Gamzee.
Thinking on the idea of two new trolls, and the fact that so far in Act 6 all the kids are Class/Element combinations we haven't seen yet (and all the kids have classes different from John and the gang) I sort of tried to figure out what classes are available to UU and... I'll call him BrUUther.
{table]ELEMENT/CLASS| Mage|Sylph|Thief*|Bard*
Doom|USED||||
Blood|||||
Mind|||||
Rage||||USED|[/table]
Thief and Bard are asterisk'd because we have had those classes explained by UU in her discussion of their polar counterparts, the Rogue and Prince. I suspect that these classes will not be the ones used by UU and her brother.
UU mentioned that her class is female-oriented, so she might be a Sylph.
I can't really rule out any of the elements there as unlikely, though I personally would like to figure out what's up with Doom and Blood the most.
Secondly, ideas about class pairings.
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We know two class pairs by now: Prince/Bard and Thief/Rogue.
We're left with 8 classes, 4 pairs, and until UU explains Page to Jake and Maid to Jane (I sort of assume she will at least) we don't really know what pairs they're in, do we?
I theorize that Knight and Page are a pair (mostly because of the name connection; a young boy in medieval times could be employed as a page to a noble, then become a squire, and possibly rise to knighthood) and that their role is sort of a protection thing.
I also theorize that Heir and Maid are a pair, though my justification is weaker---I don't really think either of them would go with anything else.
Then we're left with Mage, Sylph, Seer, and Witch; they all have "magicky" sounds to their names, so it's a little hard to tell which goes with which. However, the wiki mentions a Jade/Kanaya conversation likening the Sylph to a "magical witch", so maybe Witch and Sylph are a pair; that'd leave Mage and Seer, which sounds sorta sense-makey when I remember how Sollux would hear the voices of imminently deceased (i.e. Doomed) trolls in his mind, which makes Mage sound at least a little bit connected to Seer.
Third and least related, I'm considering retrying that HomestuckITP RP and wondered if anyone would be interested.
Again, sorry if I'm butting in.
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An RP might work a little better with all this new information FLOODING THROUGH OUR FINGERS.
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I thought so; this time, the titles would actually mean stuff, which would probably give a better sense of purpose.
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Maybe the trolls will actually make it into the medium this time, too. :B
I theorize that, as Prince is 'destroyer' and Rogue is 'robin hood', Knight will be 'defender'. So a Knight could either defend the aspect or use the aspect to defend.
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Which reminds me; not only would I like people's input on the whole HSITP RP restart thing, I'd also like people's opinions on the stuff I spoilered up there in that post too.
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Re: MS Paint Adventures V: THIS IS STUPID
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CrimsonAngel
I theorize that, as Prince is 'destroyer' and Rogue is 'robin hood', Knight will be 'defender'. So a Knight could either defend the aspect or use the aspect to defend.
We've already heard a bit about the knight class here. The knight of time uses time as a weapon, so I guess it's an active class.
I have this mental image of god tier Karkat geysering blood out of his mouth as an attack. I'm sure the blood element will turn out to be something more symbolic though.
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Re: MS Paint Adventures V: THIS IS STUPID
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LoneStarNorth
We've already heard a bit about the knight class
here. The knight of time uses time as a weapon, so I guess it's an active class.
I have this mental image of god tier Karkat geysering blood out of his mouth as an attack. I'm sure the blood element will turn out to be something more symbolic though.
It seems like Blood may have something to do with making alliances (remember the whole blood pact between Karky and their universe's Noir?) and the wiki brings up the interesting fact that Kanaya, after Karkat tried to rez her with a kiss, came back as a vampire rainbow drinker...
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Re: MS Paint Adventures V: THIS IS STUPID
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CrimsonAngel
I don't think UU is an indigo blood.
She said they don't even share a blood color. Also, that was half in jest
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Beans
Third and least related, I'm considering retrying that HomestuckITP RP and wondered if anyone would be interested.
Again, sorry if I'm butting in.
While I'm not too interested in RPing I am interested in homebrewing some things if you'd like. I already have a skeleton for the Kernelsprite and Prototyping. A little fetch moduses.
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Re: MS Paint Adventures V: THIS IS STUPID
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irenicObserver
She said they don't even share a blood color. Also, that was half in jest
While I'm not too interested in RPing I am interested in homebrewing some things if you'd like. I already have a skeleton for the Kernelsprite and Prototyping. A little fetch moduses.
Oh, I thought she said they did have the same blood color.
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LoneStarNorth
We've already heard a bit about the knight class
here. The knight of time uses time as a weapon, so I guess it's an active class.
I have this mental image of god tier Karkat geysering blood out of his mouth as an attack. I'm sure the blood element will turn out to be something more symbolic though.
He did use time to defend his friends, though.
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Re: MS Paint Adventures V: THIS IS STUPID
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Beans
It seems like Blood may have something to do with making alliances (remember the whole blood pact between Karky and their universe's Noir?) and the wiki brings up the interesting fact that Kanaya, after Karkat tried to rez her with a kiss, came back as a vampire rainbow drinker...
Also note that he was the leader, and it's his blood colour that the world they made shares.
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It wouldn't surprise me if UU ended up dead very soon. She is almost definitively in the universe that the kids create or the non-scratched trollverse. She seems different from all other known trolls and the mention that the first troll session was a total disaster brings could be rather important.
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Oh dear oh my oh dear oh my oh dear oh my
Thinking about it, I wonder if any of the kids are anything as simple as straight (Dirk apparently rejects the Kinsey scale altogether, Jake is... open-minded, Jane doesn't really seem to have a clue about how she feels about most things and Roxy's just a tad too protective of Jane for the mind not to wander).
P.S. ha ha PAGED D.S.
P.P.S. ha ha D.S. D.D.S.
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I'd be up for a Homstuck RP. What sort of system, if any, would we be using?
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Beans
Secondly, ideas about class pairings.
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We know two class pairs by now: Prince/Bard and Thief/Rogue.
We're left with 8 classes, 4 pairs, and until UU explains Page to Jake and Maid to Jane (I sort of assume she will at least) we don't really know what pairs they're in, do we?
I theorize that Knight and Page are a pair (mostly because of the name connection; a young boy in medieval times could be employed as a page to a noble, then become a squire, and possibly rise to knighthood) and that their role is sort of a protection thing.
I also theorize that Heir and Maid are a pair, though my justification is weaker---I don't really think either of them would go with anything else.
Then we're left with Mage, Sylph, Seer, and Witch; they all have "magicky" sounds to their names, so it's a little hard to tell which goes with which. However, the wiki mentions a Jade/Kanaya conversation likening the Sylph to a "magical witch", so maybe Witch and Sylph are a pair; that'd leave Mage and Seer, which sounds sorta sense-makey when I remember how Sollux would hear the voices of imminently deceased (i.e. Doomed) trolls in his mind, which makes Mage sound at least a little bit connected to Seer.
Third and least related, I'm considering retrying that HomestuckITP RP and wondered if anyone would be interested.
Again, sorry if I'm butting in.
There was a discussion about this in another thread on the White Wolf forums, which led me to the following conclusions. Many of them are the same as yours, actually.
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(Active/Passive)
Prince/Bard - Canon (One Who Destroys)
Thief/Rogue - Canon (One Who Steals)
Sylph/Witch (one who transforms) - Kanaya, as mentioned, compares the Sylph to being like the Witch, but "more magical". Her transformation is self-focused, while Jade wields Space to transform others, and Feferi wields Life to save others instead of herself. Pure conjecture, of course.
Mage/Seer (one who understands) - Sollux definitely fills a seer-like role with his group, and foresees a lot of doom. However, he ultimately uses his Doom as a weapon, destroying himself to help his friends succeed rather than seeing how his friends will die and avoiding that. The Seers, in the meantime, seem very passive; they exclusively look at how other peoples' actions will be affected by their domains.
Knight/Page (one who battles) - Knight is definitely a super-active class, wielding its aspect like a weapon to improve itself. Page, meanwhile, I'm suspective is more passive, but is still a warrior - Tavros raises armies, and Jake is an adventurer. My guess is that the Knight is a direct soldier, while the Page is an indirect soldier.
Heir/Maid (one who creates) - John and Equius are the heirs, and they seem to be the ones who just directly bring their aspects into being - John by creating wind, and Equius by flat-out destroying everything he touches. Aradia and Jane are the maids, and they both seem to embody passive classes; Aradia uses time to guard her friends against their missteps, while we don't really know how Jane's powers are going to work yet.
The only problem with this setup is that it doesn't leave a balanced active/passive setup. John and Dave are active, Rose and Jade are passive, but Jake, Jane and Roxy are all passive with only Dirk as an active player. That seems to run counter to the symmetry that SBURB loves. I just can't figure out a better system that brings Maid or Page to active without turning Heir passive and ruining everything. It's faintly possible that Knight actually pairs with Witch, and Maid is the active form of the Sylph, who is passive, leaving Heir and Page to balance off each other. That would be a breakdown of:
Prince/Bard - Canon (One Who Destroys)
Thief/Rogue - Canon (One Who Steals)
Knight/Witch (one who controls)
Mage/Seer (one who understands)
Maid/Sylph (one who transforms)
Heir/Page (one who creates)
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CrimsonAngel
He did use time to defend his friends, though.
Only indirectly. Dave uses time to make himself stronger. He makes himself stronger to defend his friends.
Compare his temporal path to Aradia's. Dave mainly makes stable timeloops that improve his capabilities. The one time that he goes back to fix mistakes and save John, he also improves himself in the process by handing himself weapons and spriting up. Aradia, on the other hand, spends all of her time fixing others' mistakes rather than powering up. In the process, she ends up with an army of herself which she then uses as a shield, sacrificing thousands of lives to save her friends. Even when she turns time into a weapon, she does so by manipulating Jack's time instead of her own.
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Re: MS Paint Adventures V: THIS IS STUPID
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Friv
There was a discussion about this in another thread on the White Wolf forums, which led me to the following conclusions. Many of them are the same as yours, actually.
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The only problem with this setup is that it doesn't leave a balanced active/passive setup. John and Dave are active, Rose and Jade are passive, but Jake, Jane and Roxy are all passive with only Dirk as an active player. That seems to run counter to the symmetry that SBURB loves. I just can't figure out a better system that brings Maid or Page to active without turning Heir passive and ruining everything. It's faintly possible that Knight actually pairs with Witch, and Maid is the active form of the Sylph, who is passive, leaving Heir and Page to balance off each other.
It could be that
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The theory of the trolls coming in from their session will have more actives, and they'll have a large joint session.
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Re: MS Paint Adventures V: THIS IS STUPID
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Friv
I'd be up for a Homstuck RP. What sort of system, if any, would we be using?
I prefer plain FFRP, no system besides the mechanics of Sburb.
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Beans
I prefer plain FFRP, no system besides the mechanics of Sburb.
Yeah same here.
You know, we could always do that my little pony: Godteirs are Alicorns session:smallwink: