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Re: Good Deeds Gone Unpunished - The Discussion Thread (Unmarked Spoilers!)
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Peelee
Imean, it doesn't even need to be that; Gin-Jun could be (and likely is) referring to a different incident.
Hmm. I still think the inciting incident of Start of Darkness makes the most sense for what is being referenced-- mostly because the Guard had a clear chance to seize the Crimson Mantle and didn't take it, but as an aside, a Paladin with a hairstyle like Gin-Jun's is rather prominent there. However, there is another scene from Start of Darkness set thirty years ago, the conflict in the swamp (where Xykon first meets Redcloak and Right-Eye) that would fit the timeline if it were the scene in question. (That said, the paladins were wiped out there, so I'm not even sure anyone there would have seen it as an opportunity they missed out on, if they even survived.)
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B. Dandelion
It literally recreates a panel from Start of Darkness while he's talking about it.
Oh, yeah, that too-- and it's pretty clearly from the initial scene from Start of Darkness.
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B. Dandelion
It literally recreates a panel from Start of Darkness while he's talking about it.
Well color me wrong, so it does. (SOD page 11, panel 7 and GDGU page 115, panel 5, for anyone who may be interested). I was finding that assumption out solely so that the math would work out better. Ah well, I just don't let it bother me, I guess.
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It's a nice detail, too. I had to double-check it myself.
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So - it would appear that bumping the date Gin-Jun gives to around 25-26 years rather than 22 works then?
I got the impression that Lien was a commoner and that her recruitment was part of the Sapphire Guard's move away from "all-aristocrat organization". Still - she could be a very old teenager (19, nearly 20) and a 15 year old Hinjo can still work.
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The book arrived today and I curled up on the couch with some snacks and a glass of wine. Just finished Scruff and Tumble and needed to log in here to say that it made me flurping cry. As in tears down the cheeks. A wordless story about a cat, and here I am, a grown man weeping. Rich Burlew, you brilliant brilliant bastard.
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Priceguy
here I am, a grown man weeping.
Ain't nothing wrong with that. I'm a firm believer that whoever doesn't cry when the Iron Giant says "Superman" has no soul.
It's only a spoiler of it's explained. Also go watch the Iron Giant.
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Peelee
Ain't nothing wrong with that. I'm a firm believer that whoever doesn't cry when the Iron Giant says "Superman" has no soul.
It's only a spoiler of it's explained. Also go watch the Iron Giant.
I cry when I think about that moment, you bastard...
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The Giant
Hinjo is supposed to be around 15-16, and it's a
binturong.
That would have been my next guess. Yup. Malasian bear-cats are where it’s at.
Anybody else now picturing a Stick-ified David Attenborough narrating some DnD creature shenanigans? Anyone? Just me?
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Just finished Good Deeds Gone Unpunished. I really loved it!
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Ruck
Hmm. I still think the inciting incident of Start of Darkness makes the most sense for what is being referenced-- mostly because the Guard had a clear chance to seize the Crimson Mantle and didn't take it, but as an aside, a Paladin with a hairstyle like Gin-Jun's is rather prominent there.
For those who want to keep "we have been waiting 22 years" instead of changing it to 26, and Hinjo's age of 15 or so - the "wait time" could have been from the moment they discovered the Crimson Mantle was an artifact.
So - it could have been "Battle of Redcloak's Home Village" then, 4 years later, they discover the nature of the Mantle, and Gin-Jun is counting from then.
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Or say Shojo's age during the Battle for Azure City is around the mid-twenties instead of 21 YO. Which I have no problem with : The guy shows a maturity that fits a 25+ better than a 21 boy.
Especially since Miko is portrayed as a teen during HtPGHS, so her age can't be that far from 15 YO Hinjo.
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Hinjo is 23, not 21, during the Battle of Azure City. Miko is 28 (War & XPs, character section at the start of book).
If Hinjo has only just turned 15 in HtPGHS, and Miko is 19, very nearly 20 - then this allows for them to have a 5 year age gap most of the time, and yet for Miko to still be a teenager in HtPGHS.
Lien being roughly the same age as Miko, and the story Pier Pressure taking place only weeks or so after HtPGHS, allows for her to call Hinjo "5 years my junior" (Don't Split The Party bonus strip) and yet still be a teenager in Pier Pressure.
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I think people confuse "this character said X" with "X is established" way too much.
Miko was enough younger than O-Chul that he felt it appropriate to call her a child, looked enough like a teenager to Saha for Saha to call her Teen Monk, and was old enough that Shojo let her join the Sapphire Guard.
Nowhere in that list is: The first digit in her age was stated by Rich to be 1.
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Kish
Nowhere in that list is: The first digit in her age was stated by Rich to be 1.
True - but Miko is 5 years older than Hinjo, Lien claims to be 5 years older than Hinjo (so, Miko and Lien are the same age), and Lien calls herself a teenager in Pier Pressure, which is supposed to be set after Scar.
That said, it is possible that Lien is under the mistaken impression that Hinjo is younger than he really is. Still, that seems unlikely - as the heir to the throne, he's high-profile enough that one would expect his age to be common knowledge to Azurites in general and fellow Sapphire Guard members in particular.
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They made commemorative plates when he was born. Everyone knows how old he is.
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Rogar Demonblud
They made commemorative plates when he was born. Everyone knows how old he is.
Yeah, but that's probably inspired by the real-world commemorative plates about the British Royals, and I couldn't even tell you whether Harry is older or younger than me.
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Zyzzyva
Yeah, but that's probably inspired by the real-world commemorative plates about the British Royals, and I couldn't even tell you whether Harry is older or younger than me.
You'd probably know if you were in the British Royal Guard, or whatever the crude equivalent of the Sapphire Guard would be, though.
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Ruck
You'd probably know if you were in the British Royal Guard, or whatever the crude equivalent of the Sapphire Guard would be, though.
I'm picturing a Full Metal Jacket-esque scene where one of the privates doesn't know Harry's birthday, and the drill sergeant is not amused.
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Ruck
You'd probably know if you were in the British Royal Guard, or whatever the crude equivalent of the Sapphire Guard would be, though.
Hardly the royal guard. This seems to be the equivalent of the boarder patrol, or possibly regular standing army. I would not expect a regular private of the army to know the birth date of the local ruler, never mind his kids.
Grey Wolf
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Grey_Wolf_c
Hardly the royal guard. This seems to be the equivalent of the boarder patrol, or possibly regular standing army. I would not expect a regular private of the army to know the birth date of the local ruler, never mind his kids.
Grey Wolf
Definitely not regular standing army, since Azure city also had a regular standing army.
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Peelee
Definitely not regular standing army, since Azure city also had a regular standing army.
My book is not at hand, but O-Chul's conversation with his direct superior did give a few clues as to what his unit was.
Grey Wolf
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Grey_Wolf_c
My book is not at hand, but O-Chul's conversation with his direct superior did give a few clues as to what his unit was.
Grey Wolf
But Ruck was talking about a Sapphire Guard analogue (I assume for Lien's assessment in the main strip).
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Peelee
But Ruck was talking about a Sapphire Guard analogue (I assume for Lien's assessment in the main strip).
Yeah, but Lien is still a fisherman's daughter, in the same mold as those that served with O-Chul. The Royal Guards tend to be the children of nobility, which the Sapphire Guard used to be but is most definitely not the case for Lien.
Now, even regular armies tend to be staffed by at least middle-to-upper class, with the lowest classes being set to boarder guard and the like.
Grey Wolf
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Grey_Wolf_c
Yeah, but Lien is still a fisherman's daughter, in the same mold as those that served with O-Chul. The Royal Guards tend to be the children of nobility, which the Sapphire Guard used to be but is most definitely not the case for Lien.
Agreed, which was why I threw in that little FMJ joke back when.
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Grey_Wolf_c
Now, even regular armies tend to be staffed by at least middle-to-upper class, with the lowest classes being set to boarder guard and the like.
Middle class for officers, lower than that for the grunts, is how I think it generally goes. I have a whole lot to say about that, but not here.
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This is also a case where Hinjo is not only nobility but the commanding officer of the organization Lien is part of, and one where they've interacted personally. I'm guessing she at least knows enough that her statement that he's "five years [her] junior" can be taken at face value.
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To be meta for a bit, but if she's five years older she probably remembers the hoopla when Hinjo was born.
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Rogar Demonblud
To be meta for a bit, but if she's five years older she probably remembers the hoopla when Hinjo was born.
As a former five-year-old myself, I would be surprised.
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Really? I have a very clear memory of the news coverage of the Iran Hostage coverage.
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Peelee
As a former five-year-old myself, I would be surprised.
Yeah; I think there'd have to be a personal connection/significance to a five-year-old for a memory to form and persist. I mean, I vaguely remember when the children's book orders when I was in kindergarten got mixed up or something, and I ended up with...something with Pound Puppies in the title. I don't remember what I wanted...something to do with cats, I think?...but I remember not getting what I wanted.
If this was the only hoopla of such magnitude Lien experienced or was exposed to, she might remember the hoopla itself; but remembering it had anything to do with Hinjo would border on the outlandish.
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Peelee
As a former five-year-old myself, I would be surprised.
I, in fact, did go see the Queen when she visited Canada; I was about four, and still remember it, if not clearly.
(I think Lien is absolutely accurate about Hinjo's age, btw; I just don't think she knows it because of a plate.)