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Re: The Wolf Game - Stranded in space - Day Four
Weston Easton walked into the conference room, still glowing very faintly red. He had heard the food thief had also turned out to be a traitor. More than that, the weird guy in the suit who had volunteered for the repair mission but stayed behind anyway was using his suit to keep Kevin's old friend Aventine protected. (Were those suits even designed for long-term bathroom use? Weston didn't think so.)
Well, no amount of protection would stop him from apprehending a possible traitor. He instinctively reached for his gun, finding his wrenches instead, then set to finding the proper trajectory to get around Sprig. Aventine had some hard questions to answer.
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Sprig took another sip at the straw located inside his suit helmit. The tang in the water was getting stronger. 'Hmmmm, I wonder if the recycler is working properly.' Sprig noticed Weston glaring at him. Sprig the wavered slightly to the left. Weston's gaze did not follow. "Oh." said Sprig as he turned around and saw Aventine trying to avoid attention behind him. Sprig moved to get out of Weston's gaze and turned to face Avetine. "So you're still alive, totally thought you would bite the big one. Chefs cooking must be even worse than I remember. Lucky for you I guess or not." Sprig shrugged.
Sprig noticed someone else trying to avoid attention. From memory, he was sure the person was normally quite vocal. "I don't think the one called Shadow should be allowed to skulk in the sh.... umm... I mean remain unnoticed. I am sure he has much to contribute."
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Sprig
Sprig noticed someone else trying to avoid attention. From memory, he was sure the person was normally quite vocal. "I don't think the one called Shadow should be allowed to skulk in the sh.... umm... I mean remain unnoticed. I am sure he has much to contribute."
"How do you expect me to contribute? I'm just trying to keep my head down and wait for these damned treacherous scumbags to screw up."
Seriously though. Unknown roles. Unlisted neutral roles with unknown goals. Unknown items which may or may not skew the votes and/or change what's happening. There's nothing to say. This game is basically going to come down to luck because there are too many unknown factors in play. Too many variables when we don't even know what they are making variations on.
Too many moving parts when the hood is closed and we can't see the engine running.
What exactly is it that you would like me to say, Sprig?
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"Anything! Hesitation on our part instead of trying to find the traitors will be our downfall. Discussion and talk will give us some clarity to those moving part. If I have to prod each and every person here, even if it ends up with a vote on me, then so be it. But excuse me for prodding you first. I deem you have an exceptional mind, I would hate for it to go to waste"
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aspi
What do you mean? ThePhantom has said something and even voted already. So that statement seems a bit fishy. It would be a rather obvious lie so it's probably just an oversight on your part, but there's a chance that you are trying to deflect a wagon.
I'm switching my vote to AsteronIronhoof. If he turns up a traitor I think I'll have a hunch of my own.
"Ren, Did you want to now reveal your thoughts about this?"
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"Well yes, but we have to wait for the right moment. Bide our time, as it were, until the opportunity presents itself. I'm not tossing someone out an airlock just because you got your panties in a bunch. We have to make sure we've got the right folk first."
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Ren was startled by the sounds of gunshots as he headed to the kitchen, which blocked out the rumbling of his stomach for moments at a time. No one had bothered to bring them any food while they were in quanrantine. Nobody at all. After their trip and the subsequent lockup, that should have been the least they could do. The current development didn't do anything to lift his spirits either. He still didn't have a gun so he proceeded carefully and ready to run at the sight of trouble. When he finally reached the kitchen, he sighed at the sight. Cupboards were riddled with bulletholes and what appeared to be the beginning of a breakfast was splattered all over the walls. "Chef? You in here?" he called out, ready to duck behind a counter if the answer was less than friendly. He was hungry but eating bullets didn't appeal to him. "Not to push or anything but I'm starving. Any chance there's some food left? I... uh... I don't mind even if it's not spaghetti?"
((My thoughts about the vote yesterday were summed up quite nicely by Deathslayer:))
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Deathslayer7
[...] Yet I don't see myself on these lists anywhere. Which confuses me. I surely thought the lynch wagon would come my way.
As I stated then, I had two suspects on day 2 based on the Phantom/Asteron wagon on day 1: Elemental (which I'm referring to in Sprig's quote) and Deathslayer. Yesterday I was really surprised to see Deathslayer going completely under the radar. Elemental obviously didn't work out so well for us, but I'm feeling Deathslayer more than ever. She originally started the Asteron wagon by a random point and then spent two days fighting against it when it took off as a wagon. Could be what she said, could also be a wolf who started day 1 with a vote on a fellow wolf in case one of them got lynched later on and then backpedalled when it turned into a wagon.
For the first 48 hours of yesterday's discussion, I was tied between Elemental and Deathslayer and hoping the votes would shed some light on it and draw out further suspects. Then however, this happened:
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Deathslayer7
Elemental. I don't like the fact that he says he forgot to post here, but posted in two other places on the forum.
Before this post, the vote count was 3 for Elemental (Aventine, Duck999, Sprig) and 5 for Aventine (Elemental, Count DingDong, Deathslayer, Ramsus, Tanar Aerdoth). By switching, she tied both at 4 : 4, effectively bringing it from a situation where we would get a lynch no matter what (even if the captain was on one of the wagons) to a situaton where we would only get a lynch if the captain had voted on one of the two suspects. What stands out about this is that it happened just 2-3 hours before the day should have ended. So unless she had some inside information that Nonayer was going to extend the day, she effectively caused a tie with what would have been the last post of the day if it had ended on time.
This is really suspicious given how vocal she was about avoiding a tie when she was pushing the Phantom wagon on day 1:
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Deathslayer7
The Phantom then to try to get a lynch. still need 2 votes.
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Deathslayer7
what push? The Phantom responded to the other WW thread but he couldn't bother to respond to this one? I gave him two hours. Besides that its day 1......
I'm just trying to get a lynch in. As I said before its a wasted day otherwise.
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A lead of 3 to 2 is hardly a lead at all. It became 3-3 when Asteron voted for Phantom himself. I changed so it became 2-4 in the hopes that we might get a lynch. Your vote puts it back at 3-4.
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still need a vote on phantom to get a lynch
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people really should read. In the event of a tie, no one gets lynched.
So I have to assume that she knew what she was doing when she changed that vote. But why would a crewmember do that knowingly? My prime suspect is Deathslayer.
I'm also unsure about the reasons she gave for her switch. In her post she claimed it to be her intuition, then later revealed contact with Sprig to be a factor in it. Sprig, could you please clarify what your involvement in this was? (I'd rather not just read meaning into RP on this)
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I figured this would come my way sooner or later. Not surprised there.
Can't really say anything at this point. The evidence is damning against me. I would point for myself as well, but alas I will let others do that for me if they want.
Not really sure who to point at yet so I'll wait on that.
Engineer Dawn left the kitchen to whispers. She knew that they all knew what happened to Dr. Grey. There have been whispers that she was a traitor. Not the Chef though since he had been attacked last night. Having enough of the rumors, she got up with her coffee and went down to Engineering for the silence. Perhaps she would work on something. One last heroic act before they came for her.
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aspi
I'm also unsure about the reasons she gave for her switch. In her post she claimed it to be her intuition, then later revealed contact with Sprig to be a factor in it. Sprig, could you please clarify what your involvement in this was? (I'd rather not just read meaning into RP on this)
"It was a push from me. Yesterday I said:"
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"There was a good reason to speak to the young fella in private. I felt his judgement displayed so far was, for the lack of a better word, lacking. Most of you, and even himself would agree but I think the brave young man has potential. So a simple word in his ear about reevaluating his accusation turned out to be all that was needed."
"I believe I have a transcription of that conversation if required. My suit mic is always recording."
((OOC: My role playing around accusations and conversations with other players is generally factual, I'll identify if there is something that is just RP for the sake of RP.))
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Deathslayer, I have to say that your post didn't do much to help your case. I agree with the evidence, and your post only made me feel like you were wolf more. Most villagers would try to help town at least, posting suspects, finding suspicious characters, even if you are lynched, you can be helpful. But what you did seemed more to me like a last attempt at throwing people off your trail by saying how suspicious you knew you were. Why would a wolf ever say that? To get people off their trail. It isn't a villager kind of post.
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The only problem I have with aspi's argument is I would think it requires me to be a wolf. Letting a villager get lynched helps the wolves more than forcing a no lynch. Based on the game so far I'd say it is a decently reasonable argument (though if we are both wolves I'm not sure why Deathslayer voted for me at first). I don't find it all that persuasive though seeing as how I know I'm not a wolf.
I'll vote for Duck999
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Weston unsnapped his holster, grabbing his wrench. "Everybody ready? On three."
Silenced answered, and he turned to see a crowd gathering around Engineer Dawn. "What are you doing? The traitor's over here!
((Seriously? We catch Asteron because I think Aventine is suspicious, but now that we know someone is actively defending Aventine behind the scenes, we think he's less suspicious than the person who pointed that out? How long is it going to take before we lynch Aventine?))
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Deathslayer, I have to say that your post didn't do much to help your case. I agree with the evidence, and your post only made me feel like you were wolf more. Most villagers would try to help town at least, posting suspects, finding suspicious characters, even if you are lynched, you can be helpful. But what you did seemed more to me like a last attempt at throwing people off your trail by saying how suspicious you knew you were. Why would a wolf ever say that? To get people off their trail. It isn't a villager kind of post.
That's exactly the problem. The evidence against me is there. The argument you used there is circular.
If I stay silent and accept it: I'm a wolf!
If I speak up and say no it's not true: I'm a wolf!
Either way you can make it seem like I'm a wolf trying to hide something.
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If you bring up a better case against someone else, you may be able to direct us towards a wolf if you are villager.
If you do some analyses or otherwise help village on the die you are lynched, you will at least help village before death.
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That's not possible with so many unknowns and variables. Even less so if you have no night action. Non-existent if no one contacts you. And I already said my two cents earlier last night. There's just too many what-if scenarios to adequately even try to explain them and frankly I don't want to and don't have the time to do it.
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"I am actually very curious to see how Deathslayer will turn out. Someone vouched for him to me and I haven't quite been able to ascertain why. I am also curious around the fact that Deathslayer actually has a defense but chooses not to use it.
"It actually makes me think that Deathslayer wants to be lynched. And if he wants to be lynched that doesn't speak very highly for him being innocent. Since we all (should) know, whoever leads the table at the end of the day won't be lynched anyway. Not when there is a priority target and the traitors have means to remove him via manipulating the lynch."
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If you bring up a better case against someone else, you may be able to direct us towards a wolf if you are villager.
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deathslayer7
That's not possible with so many unknowns and variables.
((A. Ven. TINE!))
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Sprig heard the gasped of misunderstanding. He hoped there would be a few that do understand him.
"There is a lot to be said for having no lynch. Based on the silence of so many, I am guessing that behind the scenes is just as quiet. With that in mind, I think we should keep the Chef (Haruki) around for a while longer. You know, get maximum advantage out of a confirmed innocent before the traitors organised for him to be lynched ahead of Deathslayer or Aventine or whoever it might be."
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Since we all (should) know, whoever leads the table at the end of the day won't be lynched anyway."
((If my hunch is correct, the traitors won't be able to.))
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Aventine
IF is right. However, could you post a descriptive version of your argument so I can make sure I am not missing anythig?
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Internet Flea
((A. Ven. TINE!))
aventine. happy?
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"hmmmmm, you're a naughty tease IF."
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Holy carp, I just realized I hadn't voted today. I thought I had, but apparently I didn't. So Aventine again, cuz it was a good enough vote for the last day and seems to be a good enough vote for this day too.
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Aventine
IF is right. However, could you post a descriptive version of your argument so I can make sure I am not missing anythig?
((Of course I can. But not today. :smallwink:))
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((*hits the bandwagon button* Aventine))
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Aventine
((And yes, my inbox is open. Go for it.))
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Should clearly lynch Haruki then :smallbiggrin:
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Um, I feel like I'm missing something...
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Internet Flea
Seriously? We catch Asteron because I think Aventine is suspicious
I was under the impression we killed Asteron because people thought it was possible the alternate wagon on the first day was a wolf. I will admit you were one of them, but this quote sounds like you are trying to take full credit for the Asteron kill. Then make it look like the reason we figured out he was a wolf was because of me. Explain to me how this is anything but twisting reality beyond recognition to serve your purposes.
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Duck999
Aventine
IF is right. However, could you post a descriptive version of your argument so I can make sure I am not missing anythig?
I must have misunderstood this. It sounds like you are saying someone is right, even though you are not sure you know their full argument. Maybe I am weird, but I like to understand someone's argument completely before I decide if I agree with them or not.
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Internet Flea
((Of course I can. But not today. :smallwink:))
Why not? People should lynch me because you totally have good reason for it and people should just trust that?
We killed Elemental because he was on the wrong wagon day one. He was town. I have no doubt there were wolves voting for Phantom on day one, but I have proof that there were villagers too. As I understand it the reasoning against me is that I voted for Phantom with a vote that put him in the lead, and that I am being defended by someone PMing people. Why would a wolf expose himself by defending me like that? There is a seer, there was a reference to items. There are ways that someone could have determined my alignment. Someone trying to defend someone he knows (or at least is very confident) is town makes sense. A wolf exposing himself by defending a fellow wolf like that makes not much sense at all.
I would like to see that argument, if for no other reason then that if I am going to be lynched I want to be lynched for a good reason.
Oh, and was anybody else bothered by Shadow's response to Sprig? That was a major cop out. Just because we don't know all the details of roles and what is going on behind the scenes doesn't mean he can't have some ideas. A wolf was lynched because of possibly the most mundane and standard reasoning possible. I think that shows that just because there are lots of unknowns doesn't mean we can't reason things out.
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Aventine
I was under the impression we killed Asteron because people thought it was possible the alternate wagon on the first day was a wolf. I will admit you were one of them, but this quote sounds like you are trying to take full credit for the Asteron kill. Then make it look like the reason we figured out he was a wolf was because of me. Explain to me how this is anything but twisting reality beyond recognition to serve your purposes.
from Day 1:
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((AsteronIronhoof because this push bothers me.))
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((It's not an "everyone is a wolf" hunch, but I don't like that Asteron's been in the lead all day and suddenly ThePhantom is. Could be nothing, could be wolves covering for Asteron. One way to find out.))
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Internet Flea
((firedaemon, Haruki-kun, Aventine, Asteron and you. It was 3-2 when Aventine voted, and now it's 3-5. Aventine tied it, Asteron broke it, both are now suspicious.))
So I take credit for Asteron's lynch, and it was because I found you suspicious.
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Aventine
Why not? People should lynch me because you totally have good reason for it and people should just trust that?.
The hunch is about the wolves not managing to lynch Haruki today, nothing to do with who we lynch.