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Capt. Ido learns to steal thread ideas (and also draw)!
Hey all, Ido here!
I'm not totally sure how to start this off, so forgive me if I ramble a bit at first. I've always loved to draw and "do arty things". It was one of my first loves growing up, my folks would always find me up in my room doodling with my crayons or taping random bits of construction paper together. My decision on which high school I went to was majorly influenced by the quality of their art program! But, by that point the usual things had already begun - comparing myself to other artists, the supposed lack of time, and even telling myself that art wasn't worth pursuing as a full time endeavor, that I would be better leaving it as a hobby and taking on a science to get the bills actually paid.
Well, here I am, years later, with only marginal improvement picked up from various books here and there, and lots of doodling in the margins of my CS textbooks. I'm pretty tired of it, and I've been trying for the longest time to get myself into the habit of regularly drawing. Each time I last for maybe two days, then I go back to my various timesinks that frankly at the end of they day mean nothing.
Now I've joined here and have been having a good time, and I saw Thanqol's thread. This, quite frankly, is amazing. I've been reading through it and have been blown away at the progress he's been making and all the great advice he's been given. I'm not here to take away from that, not in the least bit. I'm just glad to see that such a concept works and is working. I don't expect and I won't get offended if people don't give me critiques on my style and lack thereof, that's okay. What I am absolutely the most interested in is the accountability that this can be the motivation I need to sit my lazy flank down and DRAW SOMETHING. I don't ask for anyone to hold my hand through this - though all advice and help is defintely welcome - instead I do ask that I be given as hard a time as possible if I go a full day without posting something, anything :)
My goal on a day to day basis here, is to spend at least an hour drawing, and then post it. I don't really know how much or how big these will be, but I suppose that consistency can't be a bad thing, so I at least will try for this A4 size and see what happens. Subject-wise I'm not sure, I'm just going to wing it there too. Suggestions are fine, as I bet I'll be tapped for ideas initially.
My drawing ability I honestly can't tell you exactly where it lies. I'm largely self taught, with a few classes in the basics ages ago. I can draw one or two things pretty well, and everything else is a crapshoot. I can say that shading and perspective are concepts which elude me, and I seem to have a love affair with drawing things in profile as a result.
The end goal of this is to simply learn to draw better, and maybe someday I won't hate my own work as badly when I see it the next day. Maybe, if I'm really daring, I might try my hand at animating, which feels like a more distant goal than this one. We'll see, we'll see.
So, here goes nothing! Thanks for reading my wall of text :p
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Capt. Ido Nos
Thanks for reading my wall of text :p
No trouble, it even had paragraphs you know. Now go wild. :smallsmile:
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This is totally not me just being too lazy to click 'subscribe' :smallcool:
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Alright then... show us your moves. :smallwink:
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Elder Tsofu
No trouble, it even had paragraphs you know. Now go wild. :smallsmile:
Haha, I try to keep my tl;drs at least MARGINALLY legible. I even checked my spelling!
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This is totally not me just being too lazy to click 'subscribe' :smallcool:
Fair enough! I never actually subscribe to anything either http://i.imgur.com/JmPL5.jpg
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Alright then... show us your moves. :smallwink:
Good idea!
I just went back and dug up some of my drawings from the last few months. I'll see if I can get something actually drawn tonight for a Day 0, but I'll start for real tomorrow evening when I get off from work.
Here goes... nothing? Spoiler'd for images and explanations:
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First off, all of these are digital. My scanner hasn't worked in ages, but I have had access to tablets. Besides, I've found that I'm more likely to finish something when it's digital and I have the freedom to change things as much as I want or make save states. So here we go! Pictures are oldest to newest:
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http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/1838/kurai1.gif
This one is not quite a year and a half old. It's a character concept I've kicked around for a while, but haven't nailed down yet. Meh, it is what it is. Drawn on an HP tablet laptop, paint.net.
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http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/9010/meowthg.png
Got a job, got a wacom. This is the first thing I really did on it. Took a subject request on twitter, a friend said meowth so here you go. Thick lines are thick. Also wobbly.
Drawn on tablet, in photoshop elements, as are the rest.
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http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9471/10ku.png
Rather long comic I posted on twitter. Spent about a week working on this. It's cartoony and silly, but in all honesty is probably the best thing I've put out in about a year, and the best thing on my tablet to date.
And that's that for now! More to come...
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Neat! Good to see that something Thanqol wanted has come from his thread. Glad to have you aboard the SS Improvement, captain.
EDIT: also, I think I can actually start on critiquery!
The first example you gave, that really cool warforged looking thing? The composition (of the figure, not the picture, just as a CMA) looks like the body is just hanging from the head. The posture, the skinniness, they all point or a sort of hang.
Sadly, I can't make words that explain how to fix it happen... Except tryto build a better mental base for the posture, I guess. If you draw the whole thin with an idea of height and grounding, it will show through in the final product, despite being able to draw the floor wherever you want it.
One of my biggest fears as a kid. Someone would look at a drawing of a guy standing Capt. Morgan style, and accuse me of just drawing the ground up to his foot. I think I was fifteen before I realized he would only be standin like that of there were something for the foot to rest up on XD
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...you're right, the last comic is indeed the best thing in that entire load. :smallbiggrin:
Still, you're already pretty far. Should allow for concrete help with things you'll draw up daily from now on. (And don't you worry, we'll nag you if you don't. :smallwink: )
Man, i probably should do something like this myself... but then again, there's GenGame. I'm pretty broke for any other ideas though.)
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Capt. Ido Nos
Hey all, Ido here!
Now I've joined here and have been having a good time, and I saw Thanqol's thread. This, quite frankly, is amazing. I've been reading through it and have been blown away at the progress he's been making and all the great advice he's been given. I'm not here to take away from that, not in the least bit. I'm just glad to see that such a concept works and is working.
Such a concept does work. I actually originally broke my original laziness habit many, many months back by deciding to write a full length story and make it public, which would in turn make sure I finished it. It was like that story levelled me up or something because ever since I've been more productive than I've ever been in my life.
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My goal on a day to day basis here, is to spend at least an hour drawing, and then post it. I don't really know how much or how big these will be, but I suppose that consistency can't be a bad thing, so I at least will try for this A4 size and see what happens. Subject-wise I'm not sure, I'm just going to wing it there too. Suggestions are fine, as I bet I'll be tapped for ideas initially.
My tips on this regard are to make it as easy for yourself as you possibly can. Make one rule: Draw one thing every day, regardless of quality or effort. Having the option to draw a bunch of scribbles and throw it up here is a great mental reassurance on days you're feeling mentally drained, and guilt at doing a bunch of shoddy pieces in a row will naturally urge you to recompense with a more detailed piece later.
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My drawing ability I honestly can't tell you exactly where it lies. I'm largely self taught, with a few classes in the basics ages ago. I can draw one or two things pretty well, and everything else is a crapshoot. I can say that shading and perspective are concepts which elude me, and I seem to have a love affair with drawing things in profile as a result.
Shading and perspective are haaaaaaaard which is why they're absolutely worth learning!
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The end goal of this is to simply learn to draw better, and maybe someday I won't hate my own work as badly when I see it the next day. Maybe, if I'm really daring, I might try my hand at animating, which feels like a more distant goal than this one. We'll see, we'll see.
So, here goes nothing! Thanks for reading my wall of text :p
A laudable goal, and one I shall be following with interest!
Here's my own personal tips and recommendations, born of my experience with the same project:
1) Try something new every day
Doesn't matter what, doesn't matter if it's a disaster, doesn't matter if you're just drawing a different style of hat to what you normally do. But take one step outside your comfort zone and see what it's like. Those moments of sitting down, saying to yourself "I've got no idea how to do this" and then fiddling with a bunch of random settings and features to try and figure out how to do it will teach you more than anything else.
2) Aim for the stars
Pick up ridiculously ambitious projects. Genres and styles of art you've never considered or contemplated before. Look at the stuff you consider to be impossibly good and see how close you can get to it. Even if you don't hit the mark, thinking about how to get there will help a lot.
3) Style is a trap
One of the things I'm focusing on is avoiding developing a style. I want to get broad competence in art in general so I can pick the right materials for the job, not to do what I know. I have a very clear idea of the style I want to one day emulate, and if I'd spent the past 100 days working entirely on that style I might be there/close by now through mimicry if nothing else, but I'd be a lot worse off overall. I only want to learn that style when it's a choice and not a trap.
4) Don't build a buffer
Those are bonus pictures, not a buffer. I'm actually two days ahead due to complexity.
And, as you asked for subject matter, have some challenges!
- Draw a picture using only various shades of yellow
- Draw an optical illusion
- Draw someone with Superman's body type
- Draw a rageface
Good luck! :smallbiggrin: STEALIN MAH IDEAS
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SiuiS
Neat! Good to see that something Thanqol wanted has come from his thread. Glad to have you aboard the SS Improvement, captain.
Glad to be aboard![/salute]
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EDIT: also, I think I can actually start on critiquery!
The first example you gave, that really cool warforged looking thing? The composition (of the figure, not the picture, just as a CMA) looks like the body is just hanging from the head. The posture, the skinniness, they all point or a sort of hang.
Sadly, I can't make words that explain how to fix it happen... Except tryto build a better mental base for the posture, I guess. If you draw the whole thin with an idea of height and grounding, it will show through in the final product, despite being able to draw the floor wherever you want it.
One of my biggest fears as a kid. Someone would look at a drawing of a guy standing Capt. Morgan style, and accuse me of just drawing the ground up to his foot. I think I was fifteen before I realized he would only be standin like that of there were something for the foot to rest up on XD
Hrmm, yeah you're right he does look kind of like that. Although... well haha, it's funny now I'm not sure if that's not how it's supposed to look. I did draw it from the head down though, that is the only part of its design that I have down solid. The rest... ehhh, well I know how it's supposed to work, but not how that would look as a finished product. But that's less important than how it's actually drawn, and probably another story for another thread haha. (Fun fact: I started working on this guy before I got into D&D, or had even heard of warforged. I was so increadibly happy to hear about them when I did, that's going to help me a lot if I try and port this guy into a D&D system, which knowing me I probably will.)
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Domochevsky
...you're right, the last comic is indeed the best thing in that entire load. :smallbiggrin:
Still, you're already pretty far. Should allow for concrete help with things you'll draw up daily from now on. (And don't you worry, we'll nag you if you don't. :smallwink: )
Man, i probably should do something like this myself... but then again, there's GenGame. I'm pretty broke for any other ideas though.)
Well thank you! That comic was pretty fun to draw :p A nice trip into the "heck, just be silly" side of things.
Yeah, I guess I feel like I do have some sort of a foundation already. It just, to me, feels rather shaky, and can certainly do with some reinforcing! Thanks for the nagging, haha!
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Thanqol
Such a concept does work. I actually originally broke my original laziness habit many, many months back by deciding to write a full length story and make it public, which would in turn make sure I finished it. It was like that story levelled me up or something because ever since I've been more productive than I've ever been in my life.
My tips on this regard are to make it as easy for yourself as you possibly can. Make one rule: Draw one thing every day, regardless of quality or effort. Having the option to draw a bunch of scribbles and throw it up here is a great mental reassurance on days you're feeling mentally drained, and guilt at doing a bunch of shoddy pieces in a row will naturally urge you to recompense with a more detailed piece later.
Noted! That probably for the best, too. My creativity juices aren't so hot right now, so I foresee a few rough days before I get into the swing of it.
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Thanqol
A laudable goal, and one I shall be following with interest!
You and me both!
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Thanqol
Here's my own personal tips and recommendations, born of my experience with the same project:
1) Try something new every day
Doesn't matter what, doesn't matter if it's a disaster, doesn't matter if you're just drawing a different style of hat to what you normally do. But take one step outside your comfort zone and see what it's like. Those moments of sitting down, saying to yourself "I've got no idea how to do this" and then fiddling with a bunch of random settings and features to try and figure out how to do it will teach you more than anything else.
2) Aim for the stars
Pick up ridiculously ambitious projects. Genres and styles of art you've never considered or contemplated before. Look at the stuff you consider to be impossibly good and see how close you can get to it. Even if you don't hit the mark, thinking about how to get there will help a lot.
3) Style is a trap
One of the things I'm focusing on is avoiding developing a style. I want to get broad competence in art in general so I can pick the right materials for the job, not to do what I know. I have a very clear idea of the style I want to one day emulate, and if I'd spent the past 100 days working entirely on that style I might be there/close by now through mimicry if nothing else, but I'd be a lot worse off overall. I only want to learn that style when it's a choice and not a trap.
4) Don't build a buffer
Those are bonus pictures, not a buffer. I'm actually two days ahead due to complexity.
And, as you asked for subject matter, have some challenges!
- Draw a picture using only various shades of yellow
- Draw an optical illusion
- Draw someone with Superman's body type
- Draw a rageface
Good luck! :smallbiggrin: STEALIN MAH IDEAS
Good advice, all of it! Buh, I wish I could think of something more to say back, but thanks! It's a lot to take in, but I just have to take this one day at a time :)
Day 1 drawing to come tonight! I have to stay late at work this week, so this first week's going to be on the later side of things (East Coast time).
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Here we are it's
Day 1 - The old standard
Quick note, I drew this at A4, 300dpi before remembering that's HUGE. So here it is resized to same dimensions but at 72dpi for more forum-friendly viewing.
This is a sort of benchmark drawing that seems to find itself in my sketchbooks time and time again over the years. Slight variations, but always the tree and the hill. I think, well it should be interesting when I decide to do this again later, which I know I'll end up doing at some point down the line.
Time spent: 1 hour, 10 minutes
Music: Equestria Radio
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Amateur Advice Hour!
I do like the tree, and the scribble-leaves in concept, but I have concern with it's roots. The ground around it is perfectly flat and the tree doesn't really have much interaction with it. The tree and the ground around it should merge more, and spread out more, because it looks kinda top heavy and unsupported.
The base image is a wonderfully peaceful one and I look forwards to seeing future versions.
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Amateur Advice Hour!
I do like the tree, and the scribble-leaves in concept, but I have concern with it's roots. The ground around it is perfectly flat and the tree doesn't really have much interaction with it. The tree and the ground around it should merge more, and spread out more, because it looks kinda top heavy and unsupported.
The base image is a wonderfully peaceful one and I look forwards to seeing future versions.
Mmm yes, the scribble leaves are the only way that I can make leaves in black and white, without spending a year obsessively drawing every individual leaf.
The roots... yeah you're definitely right, it looks awful flat. Hrm... Good call on making it spread out, I never know how to draw the base >_>
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I love the android! the stuff you free drew of you at the computer, ect, is well done . The stuff where you are trying to copy is... enh. Try imagining the character, and then drawing it (thats more for the heavy then meowth, ) rather than looking at an image.
Ballsy thread! I'll keep my eye out for it, I like your cartooning style!
as for the tree and hill, the hidden foot is too long, (the unhidden part, obviously. ) and, the join between the torso looks weird. he looks like a torso sitting on a chair, cut off suddenly and stuck to reclining legs, rather than looking like a leanback. I have no idea how to fix it though, my own attempts look the same.
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Day 1 - biggest issue is that the pose is physically impossible for a normal person to get into.
Basically if you have your hand (or wrist) in your knee you need to have the other arm straight to be supporting the body (see here).
If the elbow is supporting the stomach should be just about horizontal, with the chest at 45 degrees or so, which I think means the legs are fractionally short.
The left arm looks a bit long. It could be the right length but need foreshortening to make it wrong so it looks right.
I can't draw leaves, so I can't comment on them, but the tree itself is very uniform in terms of angles and thicknesses etc.
That said, the hands are very good, and the linework and form is solid :smallsmile:
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leakingpen
I love the android! the stuff you free drew of you at the computer, ect, is well done . The stuff where you are trying to copy is... enh. Try imagining the character, and then drawing it (thats more for the heavy then meowth, ) rather than looking at an image.
Ballsy thread! I'll keep my eye out for it, I like your cartooning style!
as for the tree and hill, the hidden foot is too long, (the unhidden part, obviously. ) and, the join between the torso looks weird. he looks like a torso sitting on a chair, cut off suddenly and stuck to reclining legs, rather than looking like a leanback. I have no idea how to fix it though, my own attempts look the same.
Glad you like the android! He's fun to draw, I keep redoing it each time I draw it, haha. The head's about the same each time, though I think it gets smoother as I go... hmmm...
Yeah, the things that are supposed to *look* like something are always off for me. That's something I need to work on for sure, drawing something, and have that something be recognizable. Oh, also I had JUST got my tablet like the day before, so it was a bit wobblier than usual. Not much of an excuse, but at least vaguely reasonable? Still meh at the end of the day, so there you go!
Tree and hill guy, yeah good eye on the feet, that's all wonky. His pose though.. yeah he must have some wicked strong abs to pull that lean off comfortably >_>;;
Thanks for the advice! :)
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Zorg
Day 1 - biggest issue is that the pose is physically impossible for a normal person to get into.
Basically if you have your hand (or wrist) in your knee you need to have the other arm straight to be supporting the body (
see here).
If the elbow is supporting the stomach should be just about horizontal, with the chest at 45 degrees or so, which I think means the legs are fractionally short.
The left arm looks a bit long. It could be the right length but need foreshortening to make it wrong so it
looks right.
I can't draw leaves, so I can't comment on them, but the tree itself is very uniform in terms of angles and thicknesses etc.
That said, the hands are very good, and the linework and form is solid :smallsmile:
Yeah, when I did up that pose I thought "Yeah, nailed it!" Then I finished and realized that nope, no I did not. Unless that guy's doing some sort of an ab workout or something, which I'm pretty sure he's not... Thanks so much for the reference picture though, I could NOT for the life of me figure how to place that right arm. Just went for it, and I missed :smallsigh:
Legs, yeah I probably always make legs on the squatty side when I make them, I'll stick it out and stretch them next time.
Left arm is TOTALLY too long, I was wondering if someone would say that ^^;; I wanted to cheat and lasso tool the arm shorter, but that wouldn't have been right. Plus I like that hand too much :smallbiggrin:
Pretty sure I can't draw leaves either, but it makes for an interesting effect at the least! Fills up the space better than an outline alone I like to think. Glad the trunk works! Trees are... surprisingly tricky to make look like trees. Thanks about the linework too! I tend to get sloppy if I'm not careful. Need to stay clean!
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Just got this down to the wire, but here we go!
Day 2 - Hand Jive
Drew my drawing hand, while drawing. We need to go deeper?
Time spent: 45 minutes
Tunes: Renard - Good To Know You'll Be There
Yes, that's how I hold a pencil and yeah, I'm aware that somebody out there is probably having an aneurism over it >_>
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You've got the grip I started drawing with! I was told to break it and the process of doing so was the weirdest thing. It's well and truly gone by this point, happily.
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...i have never seen this kind of grip before. How does that work for anything? :smalleek:
(Also, you're left handed? Peculiar.)
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Domochevsky
...i have never seen this kind of grip before. How does that work for anything? :smalleek:
(Also, you're left handed? Peculiar.)
It works pretty well, thank you! I rocked that grip in the first grade and my entire education, my parents, and dozens of teachers haven't been able to break me of it yet :smallamused:
I'm not totally sure how it works, it's one of those things where if I think about it the whole thing falls apart, hehe. Pretty much all the fingers are involved to some extent.
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if im piecing together how you hold the pencil correctly, the thumb is too long, probably too skinny as well. it looks like a shortened pointer.
the bottom line for the middle finger and the top line for the ring finger, to the left of the pen, look wrong. Looking at my own hand in that position, i can see how the ffingers bend behind the pen, and it looks like you probably have a steep curve of flesh down to the knuckle (holmesian says, you've lost a decent amount of weight in the last 6 months, or, youve lost a lot of weight in the past, and gained some of it back in the last six months.)
so the drawing is probably very photoaccurate in that regards, but it LOOKS wrong. I'd flatten the bottom line middle finger out, so it doesn't curve in, and id drop the top line for the ring finger down about as much as the pen cord is wide, so it looks less awkward.
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Capt. Ido Nos
It works pretty well, thank you! I rocked that grip in the first grade and my entire education, my parents, and dozens of teachers haven't been able to break me of it yet :smallamused:
I'm not totally sure how it works, it's one of those things where if I think about it the whole thing falls apart, hehe. Pretty much all the fingers are involved to some extent.
Again, I held that grip for 21 years of my natural life and broke it at like day 6 of my thread. It was the weirdest thing but in retrospect I consider it worth it. It's easier to pull off than you might expect if you concentrate on it for a few days.
Here's the page that'll explain why.
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Have to say Ido, after a day of wrestling with irritating thing after irritating thing, seeing this thread made my day. Keep at it, my good Captain, keep at it.
I'll be keeping an eye on this, although as a downright terrible artist myself, I'm not sure how much advice I'll be able to give. I'll mostly just sit in the back and offer the occasional "woo hoo!"
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Today was a little crazy, so tonight's drawing is to help me tank up on some
Day 3 - Serenity
***BEFORE YOU UNSPOIL***
Quick rundown: tonight I had a video night scheduled with some friends, and so I decided to bring my sketchbook along for the ride and draw what I saw on the screen. Turns out it was a lot darker than I thought, so I decided to go with quick fast sketches for what was going on at the time RIGHT that instant, and see if I could draw it without being able to see the paper. Hand eye coordination, I guess you'd call it? Plus lots of interesting things to draw.
edit:SWEET GENIUS those pictures are huge! Erm. I'm sorry about that... Tonight I have also learned that I should find a way to resize my cameraphone shots, and my bb code-fu is subpar at the moment.....
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leakingpen
if im piecing together how you hold the pencil correctly, the thumb is too long, probably too skinny as well. it looks like a shortened pointer.
the bottom line for the middle finger and the top line for the ring finger, to the left of the pen, look wrong. Looking at my own hand in that position, i can see how the ffingers bend behind the pen, and it looks like you probably have a steep curve of flesh down to the knuckle (holmesian says, you've lost a decent amount of weight in the last 6 months, or, youve lost a lot of weight in the past, and gained some of it back in the last six months.)
so the drawing is probably very photoaccurate in that regards, but it LOOKS wrong. I'd flatten the bottom line middle finger out, so it doesn't curve in, and id drop the top line for the ring finger down about as much as the pen cord is wide, so it looks less awkward.
I'm pretty tired, but I agree with pretty much everything you said, so Ima say yes :smallsmile:
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Thanqol
Again, I held that grip for 21 years of my natural life and broke it at like day 6 of my thread. It was the weirdest thing but in retrospect I consider it worth it. It's easier to pull off than you might expect if you concentrate on it for a few days.
Here's the page that'll explain why.
I'm pretty sure by this point in time, I'm using this grip (which, hilariously, looks kind of like an "inverted brush grip" from that site) less as a way to hold it, but more of a personal statement and a desire to draw well despite holding it in a rather bizarre way. It is interesting though, that that page does explain why I prefer to draw really small things, which is because my fingers go more or less all the way to the tip itself.
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TheAmishPirate
Have to say Ido, after a day of wrestling with irritating thing after irritating thing, seeing this thread made my day. Keep at it, my good Captain, keep at it.
I'll be keeping an eye on this, although as a downright terrible artist myself, I'm not sure how much advice I'll be able to give. I'll mostly just sit in the back and offer the occasional "woo hoo!"
Thanks! The more eyes that see this, the more badly I'll feel if I should ever unfortunately miss an update! Motivation, baybee :smallcool:
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edit:SWEET GENIUS those pictures are huge! Erm. I'm sorry about that... Tonight I have also learned that I should find a way to resize my cameraphone shots, and my bb code-fu is subpar at the moment.....
Upload the pictures to Imageshack and resize them to 800px. That's what I do, even though my base tablet canvas size is 2000+ px.
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I'm pretty sure by this point in time, I'm using this grip (which, hilariously, looks kind of like an "inverted brush grip" from that site) less as a way to hold it, but more of a personal statement and a desire to draw well despite holding it in a rather bizarre way. It is interesting though, that that page does explain why I prefer to draw really small things, which is because my fingers go more or less all the way to the tip itself.
I dunno, man, seems like pride/excuses rather than an informed opinion. Part of this whole improvement thing is breaking habits that are holding you back.
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Bluh, WOW I'm exhausted today. I literally could not stop yawning as I drew this.
Day 4 - A little perspective
Going to be honest, I had an idea, but I couldn't even get the rough sketch working out tonight. So, I'm going to get a good night's sleep and try that again tomorrow! Once a sketch idea gets in my head, I can't not draw it.
So instead of just doing random crap doodles, I dragged out my little pose man and had him strike a funny pose. Without attempting to shade him, it makes the perspective... difficult :smallconfused: I also left in my sketch layer, because why not, let's live a little on the edge. I tried to erase as little as possible, except the one time I totally redid his right arm, because it was thicker than his waist on the first try, and that seemed off for some reason.
So on tomorrow's docket, just planning ahead: get that picture in my head onto paper, repost Day 3 into screen-friendly sizes, and also draw earlier so I'm not sleepy, because it's not nearly as productive as I'd imagine, and being tired is no excuse to do a bad job -especially when it's preventable by showing a little self control and going to bed on time!
Gnight everybody!
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Day 5 - Let's Draw While Awake Shall We
Time spent: 1 hour
Music: Actually no music this time for a change.
Big lizards have always been a favorite of mine ^^;;
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Upload the pictures to Imageshack and resize them to 800px. That's what I do, even though my base tablet canvas size is 2000+ px.
Yeah, that would have made sense, wouldn't it? I'll take care of that soon, so people can actually... see them. Not that there's much to see admittedly, haha.
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I dunno, man, seems like pride/excuses rather than an informed opinion. Part of this whole improvement thing is breaking habits that are holding you back.
Oh it's definitely me being stubborn. I want to learn, but (and this is just a personal thing) I see my weird grip as something that is uniquely me, and that I've gotten this far with this grip... well, I want to see if I can't go even further despite my lovecraftian style. It's not like I don't ever NOT use it, I do change it up from time to time when the need arises, but it's my primary grip, it's me, and I want to see how far I can run with it.
And heck, it's only day 5 for me, plenty of time to change and adapt down the road should I ever DO hit a wall that requires that specific change. Everything else is absolutely fluid and changeable, it's all just head knowledge and style. This, it just feels like something different, if you'll let me have this one thing for now :smallsmile:
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Day 5 - Let's Draw While Awake Shall We
Time spent: 1 hour
Music: Actually no music this time for a change.
Big lizards have always been a favorite of mine ^^;;
Giant lizards! I love giant lizards! Nice design, don't go into overdetail, but I think the tail should go on longer and there seems to be a stray line there.
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Yeah the tail... I couldn't convince myself that the tail didn't end somewhere behind the wing. I tried it several different ways, and it always ended up looking awkward and wispy. Now it's just... awkward and stubby?
I really should have just done it from a different angle, I think...
edit: giant lizards! I have sketchbooks full of crappily drawn giant lizards/dragons/dinosaurs http://i.imgur.com/6ZURl.jpg
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Taking a suggestion for something to draw today. Anyone got anything?
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Taking a suggestion for something to draw today. Anyone got anything?
Oh! My characters! [/shameless]
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Oh! My characters! [/shameless]
Hey, if we're gonna go for shameless: try GenGame characters, both of you. (Or better yet, all three of you, Trazoi included.) :smallwink:
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Look I'm ALL about shameless suggestions! Anything that gives me ideas of what to draw is a good thing in my opinion :smallbiggrin:
That being said, yall were TOO SLOW and Trixie got to me first, so tonight's drawing is...
Day 6 - Floofy
Time spent: A bit more than hour, I forgot to use the timer today >_>
Music Listened: Mostly Vitamin String Quartet
References: These guys here.
...an Irbis! Which is Russian for snow leopard, which is what I am marking down as the thing I learned today. Hey, it actually turned out a LOT better than what I expected. Using a reference really helped 0_o I had a pose in mind when I started it, but in the end the reference really influenced the exact pose, which wasn't a bad thing? Animals be hard to draw, yo.
So! Thanq and Domo don't I'll be throwing your ideas into the queue and we'll see how badly I butcher your works! http://i.imgur.com/jaolo.jpg
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So! Thanq and Domo don't I'll be throwing your ideas into the queue and we'll see how badly I butcher your works!
http://i.imgur.com/jaolo.jpg
Yeah, I was about 6 hours late to the party. Overall this one's pretty cool. I like your pine tree design, pose has feel.
Also, this was Day 34 for me, so I'm not entirely afraid of you butcherin' my works worse than I already have :smallwink:
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Nice. I dig the background, the trees, ect. The front arms though... the shoulders look like human shoulders, not a cat.
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You've got the grip I started drawing with! I was told to break it and the process of doing so was the weirdest thing. It's well and truly gone by this point, happily.
Ok, Ok. Fine. I will actually try and change up my grip for one that doesn't destroy my livelihood.
Cap'n, your work is commendable. I enjoy your cartoony style. Keep up the good work until you accidentally do something bad enough that I am qualified to comment on it :smallwink:
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Ok, Ok. Fine. I will actually try and change up my grip for one that doesn't destroy my livelihood.
It'll be impossibly weird for about a week, but try not to regress because it's easier. Once you've adjusted it seems pretty permanent.
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Day 7 - Blarrrgh
Alright! Well I was out for most of today, so it was a bit of a scramble to get this one in. Sorry about the blank flank there, Thanq, thanks to the inherently small avi size, I couldn't make out what I was supposed to put there >_>
I've actually been working on this for the last hour and a half, however I'm also in the middle of trying my hand at some coloring! However, it's almost 3 in the morning, so I'm posting the lineart tonight (since that was fun doing!) and I'll do the colors as a later project. Actually probably tomorrow, depending on how things are going. I'm going to be out all of tomorrow evening, so we'll see when something ends up getting posted.
So here's the lineart, in any case?
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Day 7 - Blarrrgh
Alright! Well I was out for most of today, so it was a bit of a scramble to get this one in. Sorry about the blank flank there, Thanq, thanks to the inherently small avi size, I couldn't make out what I was supposed to put there >_>
I've actually been working on this for the last hour and a half, however I'm also in the middle of trying my hand at some coloring! However, it's almost 3 in the morning, so I'm posting the lineart tonight (since that was fun doing!) and I'll do the colors as a later project. Actually probably tomorrow, depending on how things are going. I'm going to be out all of tomorrow evening, so we'll see when something ends up getting posted.
So here's the lineart, in any case?
Shape of the mask isn't quite right, it looks kinda like a damp sock. Extend it out a bit and make it more angular and smoother. Remember, the line goes down the centre of the mask like so.
You can actually get a surprising amount of emotion and expression out of that mask through variating where the hood falls, how big the eyes are, how thick the lines around the eyes are and the angle. I'm doing today's piece on that so check my thread in an hour or two :smallsmile: :smallwink:
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Funny story, I was about to post and say that circumstances wouldn't permit me to post regularly today, when literally as I was typing up this post, I got a text saying that circumstances have been moved back and hour and a half.
So nevermind, carry on! Nothing to see here. Actually, there will be something to see here, and this post is more or less extraneous. See yall in an hour or so!
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Shape of the mask isn't quite right, it looks kinda like a damp sock. Extend it out a bit and make it more angular and smoother. Remember, the line goes down the centre of the mask
like so.
Yeah, "damp sock" really is the way to put it, isn't it? Haha, oh well! Thanks for the other references, a teeny avatar, as it turns out, isn't much to go on ^^;;
With those recommendations, and my dissatisfaction with yesterday, today we've got
Day 8 - Blarrrgh 2: Electric Boogaloo
3/4 perspective is hard. It's disconcerting to make everything slightly different sizes...
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So I feel pretty bad about not replying to anyone the last few days but FOR REALSIES I promise that I'll find the time tomorrow and get those taken care of, even with the intent to actually go and post in the rest of your draw threads as well that I'm seeing start to pop up :)
Man, tell you what though, the threat of what might happen if I don't post have definitely been getting me to do these instead of bum off a sorry excuse or a sorrier doodle drawing :smalleek:
Today's drawing is request number two from Trixie, which was to draw the Sniper from TF2
Day 9 - comma+8
Time spent: 50 minutes, give or take. I should get a timer proper...
Music: This album twice through. (Courtesy AmishPirate for the link)
References: This and that
... Okay wow, this turned out WORLDS better than I thought it would. Like, I finished it, and my face was the sniper's in the first ref picture. So it's crazy sketchy and messy, but the fact that this actually sort of resembles what I set out to do is rather astounding. I don't know what happened people, but I'm pretty sure I'm never drawing without a reference of some sort again.
Here's the actual sketch layer, for kicks and giggles. The temptation to just post this and call it a day was pretty big, not going to lie:
That's definitely a problem for me, finishing a piece. I get to a point where I can see what I see in my mind if I squint, and I call it good enough. Thing is it's not :smallmad:
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Good sniper, if kinda blank. :smallwink:
(Also, no GenGame related art? Shame on you!)
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Ha! Cool! Though, thing is, that expression of shock would be vastly more potent if his body language reflected it somehow. Usually you freeze with shock when you see something unexpected, which means that a lot of the time you're just glancing a little off to the side or are doing something regular with your hands and then just sort of freeze up in the process of it.
And yes, you've got a point that it's easy to not finish drawings. I frequently get the idea that 'no, the lineart's good enough, you shouldn't go on to colour and thereby wreck it'. Problem is, without that I ain't gonna learn colour.
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Good sniper, if kinda blank. :smallwink:
(Also, no GenGame related art? Shame on you!)
Whoa hey, gimme a break! I'm not forgetting you yet. In fact... if you wait a little bit....
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Ha! Cool! Though, thing is, that expression of shock would be vastly more potent if his body language reflected it somehow. Usually you freeze with shock when you see something unexpected, which means that a lot of the time you're just glancing a little off to the side or are doing something regular with your hands and then just sort of freeze up in the process of it.
And yes, you've got a point that it's easy to not finish drawings. I frequently get the idea that 'no, the lineart's good enough, you shouldn't go on to colour and thereby wreck it'. Problem is, without that I ain't gonna learn colour.
Haha, any resemblance to a shocked expression is entirely coincidental. I didn't have it in me to give him an expression proper, so I just left it more or less blank. Actually, his sketch looks almost remorseful. Weird :smallconfused: You know what though, this would be a fun face to try out expressions with, so you might just see a shocked one eventually! *scheming...*
Day 10 - Sketchy Excuses
Okay! So! As it turns out, today is the first day of a new campaign for me, and we scheduled it SUPER CRAZY EARLY and has the potential to run late. Not going to let that stop me, so I took the only amount of time I did know that I have and pumped this out. I really would like to finish this, but this is all I had time for. If I get back before 11 I'll see if I can make that happen. If not, more time tomorrow!
Time spent: 30 minutes
Music: (If You're Wondering If I Want You To) I Want You To, Weezer
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I approve of chicks wearing ties. Nice design on chickenbot.
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Thanks! I'd take credit, but that belongs to the GenGame crew :p
That being said, the Rogue (chickenbot) is fun to fiddle with. I'm going to clean this up tonight when I get off work :)
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Thanks! I'd take credit, but that belongs to the GenGame crew :p
That being said, the Rogue (chickenbot) is fun to fiddle with. I'm going to clean this up tonight when I get off work :)
I continue to look forward to it. :smallbiggrin: (Kinda reminds me of my own early drawings of these characters. >_> )
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From your current drawings, I only have one advice for you, an advice I gave to thanqol back then too.
When you draw/sketch, don't use multiple short lines. It's one of the worst thing you could do while drawing. Basically it will make your drawings looks 'furry.'
Draw longer lines instead. Don't feel defeated when the lines aren't straight or go to where you want them to, just draw another line on top of them. Take a note on good sketches example, you might notice that they indeed draw multiple lines over and over to make shapes, but the lines are long and 'shape-making'.
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From your current drawings, I only have one advice for you, an advice I gave to thanqol back then too.
When you draw/sketch, don't use multiple short lines. It's one of the worst thing you could do while drawing. Basically it will make your drawings looks 'furry.'
Draw longer lines instead. Don't feel defeated when the lines aren't straight or go to where you want them to, just draw another line on top of them. Take a note on good sketches example, you might notice that they indeed draw multiple lines over and over to make shapes, but the lines are long and 'shape-making'.
Thanks for the tip! Yeah... my art is pretty furry when I'm not paying attention isn't it? The snow leopard doesn't count though, I was trying for that though :smallbiggrin:
With that in mind, here's
Day 11 - Cutting out the fluff (+1 action)
It's the finished GenGame picture from yesterday! Now with 100% finished! I did try for the longer strokes. Also there is ever so slightly some perspective practice, so this isn't as flat as it felt yesterday, with some luck.
Incidentally, I've been playing a lot of Spy in TF2 lately.
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Pretty solid, but i can't help but notice that the ROGUE doesn't have a gun. :smallwink: (Must be a scout or something.)
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Pretty solid, but i can't help but notice that the ROGUE doesn't have a gun. :smallwink: (Must be a scout or something.)
Yeah... a scout... I uh er YES! It is a scout model! Definitely :smallsmile:
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Day 12 - Sketchpage
Today's is simply me filling as much of an A4 sheet as I could with warmup style sketches (and no erasing!) until my eyes hurt too much from looking at the screen to continue. Not really anything coherent for a single piece tonight, but tomorrow I'm going to try and spend 2 hours on a single piece if I can wrestle that time for myself.
Stream of conscious drawing sure is random... feel free to use this to try and psychoanalyze me.
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Stream of conscious drawing sure is random... feel free to use this to try and psychoanalyze me.
You owe me, like, your car for not making a yo momma joke here.
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You owe me, like, your car for not making a yo momma joke here.
That's fair I suppose, here I'll send it right over.
Awe jyeah, doing a drawing before midnight oh snaaaaaaap!
Day 13 - Ido Doesn't Actually Own a Car
Time spent: 40 minutes.
Music listened: Pony Swag
Reference: link
Inaccurate descriptions aside, last night's doodlefest has gotten me itching to get my anatomy down right. This week I have decided is anatomy week SO SHALL IT BE WRITTEN SO SHALL IT BE DONE!
I'm not too happy about not spending a full hour on this, but I got to this point (clean lineart after a few layers of sketch buildup to get the shape) I just couldn't put the pencil to paper anymore. I've figured in the past that sometimes the fun just ends early. That said, it feels a bit off, only I can't place what exactly is off =S That's what this is all about though! Practice practice practice. See yall tomorrow. Taking requests on limbs! Wait is he joking LETS FIND OUT.
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The fingers are too small in this one. In anatomical position, the middle finger should also extend past the fore- and ring-fingers. The hand and thumb look boss; I suspect you just ran out of room on the canvas or on the tablet, like how writing gets smaller the closer you get to the margins :smallbiggrin:.
Actually, looking at it you've got two different sizes here. The arm (bicep, forearm) and fingers are both the same size, while the torso, palm and thumb are a different, bigger size.
I'm not sure, but I think it stems from using the scribe's grip while drawing. You develop a habit of drawing things all in the same scale (or a least I did) and if you try to draw out of that scale, you need crazy focus to not slip back into it and do whatever you're working on now in your usual size. In this case I'd guess the torso, thumb and palm were what you worked on while the arm and base finger design you did easily, aye?
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The fingers are too small in this one. In anatomical position, the middle finger should also extend past the fore- and ring-fingers. The hand and thumb look boss; I suspect you just ran out of room on the canvas or on the tablet, like how writing gets smaller the closer you get to the margins :smallbiggrin:.
Actually, looking at it you've got two different sizes here. The arm (bicep, forearm) and fingers are both the same size, while the torso, palm and thumb are a different, bigger size.
I'm not sure, but I think it stems from using the scribe's grip while drawing. You develop a habit of drawing things all in the same scale (or a least I did) and if you try to draw out of that scale, you need crazy focus to not slip back into it and do whatever you're working on now in your usual size. In this case I'd guess the torso, thumb and palm were what you worked on while the arm and base finger design you did easily, aye?
Haha, I absolutely ran out of space on the canvas ^^;; I could always have just made it larger, but I decided to stick to the strict confines of the A4 size so that I'll learn to work better within the space I *do* have. Infinite canvas is nice, but I do need to work on framing my space as well.
Trying to make heads of the second paragraph though. I think you're saying that I've got two different sets of proportions going on? Like the arm and fingers exist in one proportional scale, and the palm, thumb, and torso are in a second? http://i.imgur.com/1aYkh.jpg Pardon me for not getting you right away, it's pretty late on my end and I think I used up all my Comprehend English allotments for the day...
Speaking of which guys, there will be NO post tonight. I know, I know, I bring shame to family. BUT! I feel like I have a pretty top tier excuse for today, and that is I unintentionally spent the afternoon and evening exploring my OTHER much neglected ability, and that is writing. As some of you know from elsewhere, I'm starting a new D&D campaign this week, and I've got a specific backstory in mind for my character, however it's going to require some shenanigans to make work with a DM who said he's like to stick to 3.5e core if at all possible. I sat down to write him up a sample backstory, and when I snapped to it was six hours later and I'm exhausted :smalleek: Seriously, it was five pages and over 2200 wordcount. How did this happen?
I'm actually pretty pleased with how it turned out. If you like you can check it out, though warning: pony exposure.
So that's my sad tale. It's now too late for me to put the proper effort into drawing and also get anything resembling sleep for work tomorrow. I feel pretty bad about that, even though I feel good about what wrote. I promise I'll spend some extra time and love on my sketch tomorrow, if that's okay with everyone!
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No art? Boo!
Better be something tomorrow or I'll have to get the fire ants. :smallwink:
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Put the fire ants away, it's time for the arts!
Day 15 - Minus One
Time spent: 1 hour 15 minutes
So I bunkered down and found SIX different anatomy models to draw off of some parts that have historically been problem areas that annoy me. The dimensions of the canvas are a bit different looking, I cranked up the resolution on an A4 and then cropped the whitespace. Anywho, here we go, fix different parts with six different focus areas. Hope this somewhat makes up for missing yesterday :smallredface:
(Also, here's the one where I forgot to hide my sketch layers before saving to png, because I hosted it I may as well posted it:)
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Hoorayyy, a post before midnight! I get to sleep tonight /)^3^(\ All the same, I have a feeling that tonight's is going to be... instructive. Tonight marks my first real shot at drawing... a face that actually belongs to someone :smalleek:
Day 16 - Rolled a Six
Time: 40 minutes
Music: Equestria Radio (again)
Reference: This guy's mug.
Well... I dunno, I think it turned out alright? He looks about fifty years older though. I tried my durndest on putting everything in the right place with proportions. Also tried to avoid my furrylines, the lines SHOULD be longer. Dat hair...Did I end up drawing Ronald Regan instead? >_>;;
Sketch layer for comparison:
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Part of the age increase is due to lack of shading maybe? The pic he's doing that laught thing where you push your head back and straighten the neck up. That shortens the neck giving the visual cue that he's wrinkling his face due to that more than just having wrinkles.
Adding shading would give more texture to teh whole pic and reduce the obviousness of teh lines.
With lineart sometimes less is more - wrinkles around the eyes show age, so often better to leave them off or thin them out even when they should be there. See my drawing thread where I've done quite a few faces similar - one or two lines can change a picture dramatically.
Re Minus 1 - the hand in a fist is a bit off. The line from inside knuckle is too long. The palm should be visible, especially at the base of the thumb.
Somewhat incoherent post as I am really sick - hope it makes sense :smallsmile:
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A brief pause from anatomy week for a day to allow me to take a little step back, get a little
Day 17 - Perspective
Time: 20 minutes
Music: Just what's stuck in my head.
Bookfort in 2 point perspective. Nothing too fancy, but still some good solid practice in here. Straight lines are tricky when I'm tired and hold the stylus wrong.
Tomorrow resumes me talking back to people's wonderful suggestions that honestly are helping out, I just need to get back my time to draw earlier in the day. mutter mutter video games...
Actually today's reason I'm up late is strictly D&D reasons, so I count that as acceptable. Other days not so much though.
Hey now that I'm thinking about it, how's my line thickness? I know that tends to be a style thing, but do folks thing I'm making them *too* thick? What seems to be a happy medium?