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a. To remove the color from, as by means of chemical agents or sunlight: Over time, the exposure to sunlight bleached the rug in front of the window.
b. To make white or colorless: Dawn bleached the mountains.
- To whiten by causing the death or expulsion of algal symbionts from (coral).
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- To act as or use a bleach.
- To become white as a result of the loss of algal symbionts, usually following an environmental stress such as increased water temperature. Used of coral.
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- A chemical agent used for bleaching.
a. The act of bleaching.
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- A Shōnen weekly manga written and illustrated by Tite Kubo, which follows the adventures of Kurosagi Ichigo.
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Ichigo attempts to save them all, fails, and dooms them all! To be continued! Dun Dun Dun. He also killed Soul King the titular god of that place, hence the title.
Bleach IX:This isn't even my final thread!
Bleach VIII: ...All along...
Bleach VII: "Ichigo, you're a [scrubbed]."
Bleach VI: We Want Our Baby Bach Ribs (Aizen pull)
Bleach V: Well that was a waste of time (Fullbring? What's that?)
Bleach IV: Swords, Stains & Donuts (Problem, Ichigo?)
Since When Were You Under The Impression There Wasn't a Bleach III?
Bleach II: I can't believe its not Butterflaizen!
the first thread still eludes me, sadlyBleach: (Formerly Gin Speculation, now general) (Spoilers)
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Yay. My suggestion won.
Funny enough I still read it sometimes as Decide.
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Hey, I'll repost what I said last time here, since I got no responses. Maybe nobody wanted to respond... in which case, feel free to not respond again.
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I'll be pretty unhappy if Bleach pulls a Matrix. Or whatever.
Also the thought hit me... Yhwach said, according to the version I read, ``The Soul King was created by Soul Society to bring stability to the staggering, chaotic mass of traffic caused by souls traveling in and out! Now that he's gone, SS will return to its former existence.'' Along with everything else (except maybe Hell, as pointed out).
But if it just returns to how it was before he was there, it's not like it'll be obliterated. I mean, earlier it sounded like everything will unravel. Now it sounds like it's going to return to an earlier, more chaotic state, but in that earlier state SS was able to create the SK to bring stability. So uhh, not a total loss?
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I'll be pretty unhappy if Bleach pulls a Matrix. Or whatever.
Also the thought hit me... Yhwach said, according to the version I read, ``The Soul King was created by Soul Society to bring stability to the staggering, chaotic mass of traffic caused by souls traveling in and out! Now that he's gone, SS will return to its former existence.'' Along with everything else (except maybe Hell, as pointed out).
But if it just returns to how it was before he was there, it's not like it'll be obliterated. I mean, earlier it sounded like everything will unravel. Now it sounds like it's going to return to an earlier, more chaotic state, but in that earlier state SS was able to create the SK to bring stability. So uhh, not a total loss?
Ah, sorry, didn't notice that.
I'll have to wait until I hear what the official translation for the line says, because my version said he created the Soul Society, while yours is the opposite. So...it'll be interesting to see which is which!
But yeah, if the series pulls an "everyone is dead, Dave" type twist, that'll be kind of awful, but also I think a really interesting twist.
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I'll be pretty unhappy if Bleach pulls a Matrix. Or whatever.
Also the thought hit me... Yhwach said, according to the version I read, ``The Soul King was created by Soul Society to bring stability to the staggering, chaotic mass of traffic caused by souls traveling in and out! Now that he's gone, SS will return to its former existence.'' Along with everything else (except maybe Hell, as pointed out).
But if it just returns to how it was before he was there, it's not like it'll be obliterated. I mean, earlier it sounded like everything will unravel. Now it sounds like it's going to return to an earlier, more chaotic state, but in that earlier state SS was able to create the SK to bring stability. So uhh, not a total loss?
Yeah, I'd be pretty strongly upset if they do that.
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That kind of twist would feel lame and a copout.
I interpreted that as Soul King building the town, so that might get destroyed as well. I don't think the ENITRE world will unravel.
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Hey, I'll repost what I said last time here, since I got no responses. Maybe nobody wanted to respond... in which case, feel free to not respond again.
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I'll be pretty unhappy if Bleach pulls a Matrix. Or whatever.
Also the thought hit me... Yhwach said, according to the version I read, ``The Soul King was created by Soul Society to bring stability to the staggering, chaotic mass of traffic caused by souls traveling in and out! Now that he's gone, SS will return to its former existence.'' Along with everything else (except maybe Hell, as pointed out).
But if it just returns to how it was before he was there, it's not like it'll be obliterated. I mean, earlier it sounded like everything will unravel. Now it sounds like it's going to return to an earlier, more chaotic state, but in that earlier state SS was able to create the SK to bring stability. So uhh, not a total loss?
I think it means 'chaotic' as in 'primordial chaos'. All that will be left would be a great expanse of ghost-hydrogen, with who knows how long before another Soul King appeared to re-order it. What that would mean for the normal world which isn't made of spirit matter is an interesting question. Of course, my attempts at guessing Bleach haven't gone very well before...
Basically, the way I see it is everthing spiritual will unravel to the point of just being atomic particles: there will still be something there, but practically, everything is gone.
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Ah, sorry, didn't notice that.
I'll have to wait until I hear what the official translation for the line says, because my version said he created the Soul Society, while yours is the opposite. So...it'll be interesting to see which is which!
But yeah, if the series pulls an "everyone is dead, Dave" type twist, that'll be kind of awful, but also I think a really interesting twist.
Spoiler: everybody is actually dead. They're all ghosts.
.... I'm still not sure how the reincarnation cycle works, actually. People die in the mundane world and travel to Soul Society intact in mind and body or become Hollows and move to Hueco Munedo. Souls can be fully converted to Shingami or Quincies. When any of these die, they apparently are reborn back in the mundane world, but we never see any evidence of this: no leftover memories, no powers from a previous life. Then there's the fact that people can be born in SS, and that Hell is said to be a place where the evil are contained forever, Yhwach's soul-eating everything and the whole thing becomes hopelessly confused.
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I think it means 'chaotic' as in 'primordial chaos'. All that will be left would be a great expanse of ghost-hydrogen, with who knows how long before another Soul King appeared to re-order it. What that would mean for the normal world which isn't made of spirit matter is an interesting question.
I think we are seeing what happens to the material world at the start of the latest chapter. Spoiler
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The material world is suffering an extended earthquake. Will the whole planet shake apart? :smalleek:
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I think we are seeing what happens to the material world at the start of the latest chapter.
Fool! Everyone knows only material world is Japan! And it's been shaking for some time now. DUN DUN DUN.
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Fullbring is Hollow Powers, and Hollow Powers are representations of one's heart's desire, yes?
So if a Fullbringer really really really wanted to be a fictional character, would their Fullbring be similar the abilities of that character?
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Hollow's are souls that have LOST their hearts, not their hearts desire. Hollow related powers absorb spiritual energy around them in some way to be used by the person that absorbed it.
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Hollow's are souls that have LOST their hearts, not their hearts desire. Hollow related powers absorb spiritual energy around them in some way to be used by the person that absorbed it.
Hollows don't lose their hearts.
The Hollow's heart just takes a new form-the Mask.
Hollow Powers, and by extension, Fullbring, come from the heart. Explicitly. Reread the lost Agent Arc.
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What I don't get is what Bach will get from this. Does he plan to remake the world? Why? And with how? Because as I remember it, the reishi he took from the humans still came from the Soul King. With his death, everything he created are implied to be in the brink of destruction/inexistence.
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He's a Super Powered Sociopath with a God Complex who just killed God. He has the power to omnomnom things he kills and thus gain their power. What do you think he gains from it?
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He's a Super Powered Sociopath with a God Complex who just killed God. He has the power to omnomnom things he kills and thus gain their power. What do you think he gains from it?
Depends on if what you omnomnom suddenly disappears into oblivion. At least from the way I understood the consequences of SK's death
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Depends on if what you omnomnom suddenly disappears into oblivion. At least from the way I understood the consequences of SK's death
Chances are he just omnomnomed the soul king.
Meaning he could, um, take the Soul Kings place once the world reverts to the primal Chaos.
Meaning he could upgrade from "Super Powered Sociopath who thinks he's God" to "Super Powered Sociopath that is God".
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Chances are he just omnomnomed the soul king.
Meaning he could, um, take the Soul Kings place once the world reverts to the primal Chaos.
Meaning he could upgrade from "Super Powered Sociopath who thinks he's God" to "Super Powered Sociopath that is God".
But it's exactly the God Complex being an end in itself that I don't get, and I don't exactly know the perks of being a God aside from possibly shaping the world the way you want it. And that's also assuming that there is even a "primal Chaos" composed of reishi or what-have-you to shape anyway.
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He's a Sociopath with a God Complex.
Becoming God literally, means he goes from being crazy to being legitimate, and Sociopaths tend to get off on the power, so if he takes the Soul King's Place, he effectively becomes the most powerful thing there is.
He doesn't need a motivation to kill and nom the Soul King beyond "his existence proves my delusions wrong".
His refering to the Soul King as Father might not even mean anything.
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Yeah, I get that. Just figured that Ywhach was far more entertaining when it seems the arc was about "Quincies vs Shinigamis", instead of Ywhach turning out to be another Aizen except with a 'stache that has a disturbingly high growth rate (seriously, I'd pay good money to know the secret).
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The Soul King is Bach's Dad, so maybe he's trying to ascend to god hood?
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One thing that wasn't mentioned in this thread so far, is it seems he wanted revenge pretty badly. Maybe he has no intention of/can't take the place of SK. Just wanted his revenge regardless of the fact (?) that everything was crumble.
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One thing that wasn't mentioned in this thread so far, is it seems he wanted revenge pretty badly. Maybe he has no intention of/can't take the place of SK. Just wanted his revenge regardless of the fact (?) that everything was crumble.
Well, the "quincy vs shinigami" I mentioned seems to be that at face value. I hoped Kubo built up on that more instead.
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Well, this was...not what I was expecting to say the least. Except for the last part, but I think a lot of people were expecting that to happen some time soon.
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I wonder if the main event was foreshadowed. The end we saw coming, but that Mimihagi-sama stuff? Other than that one panel recently, I didn't see this coming at all. Feels like an ass-pull.
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Well.. that was actually a pretty nice chapter this week.
Liked where the plot is headed even though its hard to see where :P
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I wonder if the main event was foreshadowed. The end we saw coming, but that Mimihagi-sama stuff? Other than that one panel recently, I didn't see this coming at all. Feels like an ass-pull.
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Pretty sure plenty of people are already speculating on Ukitake doing something with the Soul King with Kamikake, so this chapter is more of confirmations than twists. You can't go wrong on something translatable as"God Bet" having a relation to the SK.Most speculation is that Ukitake will be the Soul King, or his vessel. The Mimihagi part was the slight change.
EDIT: can't remember if those speculations are on this forum, though. I'm on multiple bleach threads but those appeared at least on three threads/forums.
Still liked the visual, though. Mimihagi's eye reminded me of Prismo (for those who know) for some reason.
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So, Ulitake's illness and coffing was because his parents sacrificed his lungs to a minor god to keep him alive from a deadlier illness? Did I read that right?
And now Ukitake scarified the rest of his organs to merge with that god, hoping that their combined self will be able to take the Soul Kings place?
And Head Captain Alchy has gone to speak with Aizen...
Well, what are the chances that "Ichigo becomes the new Soul King" will be jossed?
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I wonder if the main event was foreshadowed. The end we saw coming, but that Mimihagi-sama stuff? Other than that one panel recently, I didn't see this coming at all. Feels like an ass-pull.
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It's a 100% asspull, we've never heard of this before that I'm aware.
Also, Captain Eyepatch has his eyepatch on in that scene. It really does seem like Kubo just...FORGOT to put his eyepatch on.
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Part of me gets the feeling that this was all planned ahead of time. Or more likely a contingency plan. And Hat & Clogs got caught flat footed for once. :smalleek:
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So the official english translation says that the Spirit King was created to stabilize the worlds...so yeah, that's interesting. Especially considering today's chapter.
Kubo do you even care anymore?
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Part of me gets the feeling that this was all planned ahead of time. Or more likely a contingency plan. And Hat & Clogs got caught flat footed for once. :smalleek:
It is. This chapter is basically the reveal of what the senior duo were up to, and the kamikake's purpose and the central46 trip were well speculated before.
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So the official english translation says that the Spirit King was created to stabilize the worlds...so yeah, that's interesting. Especially considering today's chapter.
Kubo do you even care anymore?
Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinteresting. I really wonder about the Mimihagi thing. Maybe SK was ``made'' in a similar way, like how maybe now Ukitake is being made into a new SK.
But really, the Mimihagi thing is feeling more and more like an donkeypull. I'll have to reread the manga when this is all over and see how much I appreciate Kubo's ability to foreshadow.
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Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinteresting. I really wonder about the Mimihagi thing. Maybe SK was ``made'' in a similar way, like how maybe now Ukitake is being made into a new SK.
But really, the Mimihagi thing is feeling more and more like an donkeypull. I'll have to reread the manga when this is all over and see how much I appreciate Kubo's ability to foreshadow.
The only thing I can really accept as foreshadowing is Ichigo's quincy powers and the mysteriousness of Old Man Getsu vs White Zangetsu. Everything else just seems incredibly poorly executed. We were lead to believe the entire time that Ukitake was sick because of his tuberculosis, but instead it's because a giant hand shaped god with an eyeball on it that's secretly the right arm of the Spirit King took his lungs and is slowly taking every other part of him...except his eyes.
And again Kubo keeps on forgetting Captain Eyepatch's eyepatch so I'm PRETTY sure he's just stopped caring. Unless it's some really stupid twist like "You need both eyes to see Aizen's release to be affected by it so I only wear my eyepatch in certain situations" and so on.
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The only thing I can really accept as foreshadowing is Ichigo's quincy powers and the mysteriousness of Old Man Getsu vs White Zangetsu. Everything else just seems incredibly poorly executed. We were lead to believe the entire time that Ukitake was sick because of his tuberculosis, but instead it's because a giant hand shaped god with an eyeball on it that's secretly the right arm of the Spirit King took his lungs and is slowly taking every other part of him...except his eyes.
And again Kubo keeps on forgetting Captain Eyepatch's eyepatch so I'm PRETTY sure he's just stopped caring. Unless it's some really stupid twist like "You need both eyes to see Aizen's release to be affected by it so I only wear my eyepatch in certain situations" and so on.
True, Ichigo being super hybrid was foreshadowed well, methinks.
And when was his eyepatch not drawn? Not saying you're wrong, but I checked the most recent chapter and he fer sher had it on.
In other news... even though we knew Aizen was going to come back, I'm excited about it. My two favorite characters about to join the fray :)
And I just realized that Kubo said we'd see everyone's bankai before the end. So... Ukitake can't go now.
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True, Ichigo being super hybrid was foreshadowed well, methinks.
And when was his eyepatch not drawn? Not saying you're wrong, but I checked the most recent chapter and he fer sher had it on.
In other news... even though we knew Aizen was going to come back, I'm excited about it. My two favorite characters about to join the fray :)
And I just realized that Kubo said we'd see everyone's bankai before the end. So... Ukitake can't go now.
The chapter before last, he had both eyes. I'd get some specific examples but I'm sleepy.
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Can someone please link me to a site that has the newest(616) issue of Bleach? All the normal ones I'd visit seem to no longer carry, and even narutomanga.org does not have the newest one up. Getting on my nerves. At first I thought maybe it just hadn't been released, but then I come here, opened up a few of the spoilers, see something about Ukitake and other things and now I'm more annoyed then before >< So, please, for the love of god, link me a site someone! :)
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I've been using mangapanda lately.
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Thanks to those who sent me a link :) Oddly enough some of them still wouldn't work, no idea why, it's like my browser decided it didn't want to let them load. But one of them did work and I finally got to read this weeks issue ^^ Interesting stuff, especially Spoiler
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The One-Eyed god stuff with Ukitake. Not sure exactly how it's going to work out, but it's interesting nonetheless. Hate that action was pulled away from Ichigo and the others though.
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Oooook, soo, it appears that they are freeing on crazy, evil insane megalomaniac, in order to fight another crazy, evil insane megalomaniac. Does anyone else feel that this is a momentously bad idea, or is it just me?
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I think we have hit the Godzilla Threshold. :smalleek:
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Oooook, soo, it appears that they are freeing on crazy, evil insane megalomaniac, in order to fight another crazy, evil insane megalomaniac. Does anyone else feel that this is a momentously bad idea, or is it just me?
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If one of the crazy, evil insane megalomaniacs (Yuwa Bach) tries to destroy everything in existence and the other one (Aizen) is just trying to rule everything or whatever, maybe the chances for everyone would be better if the second one (Aizen) wins. Its kind of a desperate move, but in the case of Aizen winning, they might buy more time.
It is interesting to see the epic illusionist (Aizen) and epic divination specialist (Yuwa Bach) fighting, their powers might cancel each other out.
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Juha Bach can see the future of everything...except for guessing what Kubo will pull out of his ass to beat him. Aizen is apparently just a mouth, if unsealing his mouth apparently set him free like that. THAT BEING SAID, I do like the super elaborate bondage death seal they have on Aizen. I'd rather he be, you know, dead, but "literally sealed every last bit of him under seperate locks" is a pretty good way of assuring Aizen doesn't...like, get out of good behavior.
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Nothing about this makes any sense.
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Juha Bach can see the future of everything...except for guessing what Kubo will pull out of his ass to beat him. Aizen is apparently just a mouth, if unsealing his mouth apparently set him free like that. THAT BEING SAID, I do like the super elaborate bondage death seal they have on Aizen. I'd rather he be, you know, dead, but "literally sealed every last bit of him under seperate locks" is a pretty good way of assuring Aizen doesn't...like, get out of good behavior.
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If his fight with murder Monk is accurate, he needs to know about something to work the Almighty's powers uponit.
If he didn't know Ukitake had Eyeball Hand head in him, then he wouldn't have been able to forsee him sacrificing his life in exchange for hand head cyclops temporarily taking the Soul King's place.
As for Aizen, I figured it as as simple as Aizen's transcendental power being so great that as soon as part of him is unsealed, he can break some of the other seals himself.
Alternatively-it's an illusion. Cause he does those.
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If his fight with murder Monk is accurate, he needs to know about something to work the Almighty's powers uponit.
If he didn't know Ukitake had Eyeball Hand head in him, then he wouldn't have been able to forsee him sacrificing his life in exchange for hand head cyclops temporarily taking the Soul King's place.
As for Aizen, I figured it as as simple as Aizen's transcendental power being so great that as soon as part of him is unsealed, he can break some of the other seals himself.
Alternatively-it's an illusion. Cause he does those.
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Raioh is Bach's Dad, I think he'd know if his Dad's arm fell off and and became a different God. But I get your point.
Aizen's completely sealed except for his mouth. He shouldn't be able to do anything but speak. But then he can apparently speak with his Reitsu so maybe he could make his illusions and stuff. Which...is really bad and stupid considering it's AIZEN.
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Raioh is Bach's Dad, I think he'd know if his Dad's arm fell off and and became a different God. But I get your point.
Aizen's completely sealed except for his mouth. He shouldn't be able to do anything but speak. But then he can apparently speak with his Reiatsu so maybe he could make his illusions and stuff. Which...is really bad and stupid considering it's AIZEN.
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This assumes that Handclops is literally the Soul King's Right arm, and not his "Right hand man", so to speak.
And knowing of his existence does not mean he knows it, or it's powers, or that it was living in Ukitake's lungs.
If "The Almighty" only works on things Yhwach understands, then not knowing that Ukitake had handclaps, or not knowing what handclops powers were would mean he couldn't foresee handclops holding soul society together
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Aizen had some way of saying "No" to Yhwach's offer and doing that "perception of time" illusion to him, so even with his mouth locked up, he wasn't completely sealed.
If it's a seal network, removing one could have weakened the rest, allowing Aizen, who's power is literally godlike, to break the next few weakest seals on his own.
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I too found it odd Yhwach didn't see the big hand coming. I wonder if, as others speculated, it's due to him having to know about it/understand it.
Likewise, I wonder what's up with Aizen. Part of me gets the feeling he's so bamf he was able to break free (like Rand al'Thor in... I forget the exact book, when he's shielded and breaks free), or if Kyouraku is under his spell, so to speak.
Regardless, I'm happy about Aizen's return :)
EDIT: Also, 'dat picture.
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So what I'm hearing is, Bach's power is total mastery over anything that has been given exposition in his presence. Given that this is Bleach, that should make him invincible. :smalltongue:
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So what I'm hearing is, Bach's power is total mastery over anything that has been given exposition in his presence. Given that this is Bleach, that should make him invincible. :smalltongue:
Given that Aizen power is generating powers per second, I'd say they are evenly matched.
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So what I'm hearing is, Bach's power is total mastery over anything that has been given exposition in his presence. Given that this is Bleach, that should make him invincible. :smalltongue:
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Given that Aizen power is generating powers per second, I'd say they are evenly matched.
Actually... I think it depends on what Lethologica's explanation means, exactly. If Aizen shows something false to him...
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Actually... I think it depends on what Lethologica's explanation means, exactly. If Aizen shows something false to him...
Why would he lie though? He's Aizen, beating someone who doesn't fully understand his power is BORING. It's what DUMB people do, like Gin.
*vomits*
I hate Aizen so much.
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Well here's hoping that my theory is right, and he's going to be fed to Ichigo in order to make Ichigo strong enough to kill Yhwach and/or take the Soul Kings place.
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I have no idea what Aizen did, but that wasn't how KS worked before.
Unless Aizen pulled a Danzou on Shunsui, which would imply that the capn commander is too stupid to live.
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KS disappeared.
Aizen said he didn't need the sword to use his powers anymore.
He was right.
We know this already, because he illusioned Yhwach.
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Re: Bleach X: Deicide (this time for real)
His sword not being needed doesn't necessarily mean it wasn't KS (or its bankai) though. For all we know, he could be in a state not unlike a permanent resurreccion--you have your abilities without the sword.
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...basically what I was trying to say.
remember, the Zanpakuto Spirit and the Zanpakuto sword are different things-the sword is just a tool the Shinigami bonds with in order to use the powers of the Spirit, and the spirit is literally just an aspect of themselves.
Aizen claimed he didn't need the sword because he didn't need to use the sword-he might well be able to use KS, which is his power, without a sword as a focus.
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Eh? Of course we already know that the sword and the spirit are different, so what's the point in saying KS (the spirit) disappeared when it doesn't seem to be the case. It appears that you are the one who confused KS for Aizen's asauchi, which is what disappeared.
Anyway, that's not even what I'm talking about earlier, which was how Aizen's type of illusion (KS), substitution/disguise of what one is sensing (e.g. mosquito looks like a dragon), isn't compatible to what Aizen did to Shunsui unless it's specifically akin to what happened to Danzou (in Naruto).
By the same logic, it's incompatible to the illusion he did to Bach unless Kubo actually realized that there are more than 5 senses, and "sense of time" is one of those that can be affected.
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I was specifically referring to KS the sword, not KS the Spirit.
Aizen no longer needs KS the sword to use his powers of illusion, as he has become one with KS the spirit.
Or at least that's what Aizen claimed.
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So what do you want to bet that Mimihagi and Bach are literally the same kind of entity. A spawn off the original soul king who can give live but also take it away. Currently Mimihagi has power for Ukitake is giving up his life but without a host Mimihagi is not sustainable. Just like Bach must continuously give power and take away or else he goes blind. If Bach were to have any part of the soul king I guess it would be the soul kings eyes.
If so is Bach really the soul kings son or just a human who can manipulate the essence of the soul king he has come into contact like a fullbring?
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Ramza00
So what do you want to bet that Mimihagi and Bach are literally the same kind of entity. A spawn off the original soul king who can give live but also take it away. Currently Mimihagi has power for Ukitake is giving up his life but without a host Mimihagi is not sustainable. Just like Bach must continuously give power and take away or else he goes blind. If Bach were to have any part of the soul king I guess it would be the soul kings eyes.
If so is Bach really the soul kings son or just a human who can manipulate the essence of the soul king he has come into contact like a fullbring?
One of the prevalent speculation is that Mimihagi is literally the right hand of SK (not surprising if ever). It would make sense if the three other limbs are just, if not just a bit less, powerful. Bach could be the left hand, while the two others may be embedded in another person, is a person itself, locked or hidden somewhere, or placed in one of those fancy artifacts.
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KS disappeared.
Aizen said he didn't need the sword to use his powers anymore.
What makes you think Aizen hasn't had his sword all along?