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Good Deeds Gone Unpunished - The Discussion Thread (Unmarked Spoilers!)
Since people have started receiving their pre-orders in the mail, I'm starting a discussion thread for the new OOTS prequel, Good Deeds Gone Unpunished.
Some guidelines:
- You do not need to mark or mask spoilers in this thread. If you haven't read the book yet, assume that you could come across spoilers at any point, and read accordingly.
- This thread is for the content of the book, not discussions about ordering or shipping or other concerns. For that, use the existing stickied thread.
- Due to the nature of some of the dilemmas in the book, here's a reminder that discussions of whether or not a character's actions are morally justified in real-world terms is not OK. If you want to talk about what alignment a character's actions would make that character, that's fine.
- Since this thread will obviously turn into an argument about Miko at some point, and those tend to get very heated, be aware that at any point the moderating staff might insist that the topic be changed/dropped, or individual posters may be instructed to stop posting. Basically, we're not going to let this thread get turned into a huge flaming multi-quote debate between two people.
So everyone, play nice and keep in mind that the thread is for everyone. Thanks.
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I'm impressed at how Thog doesn't have a good grasp of capital letters or pronouns, but a fair command over umlauts.
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Just a thought; possibly this thread could be stickied to make it easier to find, keeping it separate from the other (older) discussion threads?
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Ok, that was easier than I thought. Surprised I manager to get it all read before nightfall.
I don't want to sound ungrateful; the book is fantastic. But I'm a little sad that Lien's story was so short. She was my favorite of them all (not counting O-Chul's), and I'd love for there to be more to her story. Like the early days of paladinship or something.
They were all wonderful though. Well worth the money. The Katos really nailed down the whole fear of parenting thing. And the whole pregnancy thing.
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For anybody else who might have wondered...the new bonus page in O-Chul's story is page 84.
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The banana is the greatest thing ever! I couldn't stop laughing. :smallbiggrin:
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The picture of Shojo and mr scruffy, is like the best.
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Burn the tree?
Burn the tree.
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I loved Lien's story. I wish it there were more of it, but it's such a good story.
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I loved Lien's story. I wish it there were more of it, but it's such a good story.
The intro did say that while fleshing out the Azurites, the Giant wished he'd had more stories about them (IIRC, away from book at the moment) and who knows there may be another book sometime later, so I'm hoping for a Paladin Lien - The Early Days story.
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2.5 cats
The banana is the greatest thing ever! I couldn't stop laughing. :smallbiggrin:
Such a short-lived research opportunity...sigh.
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I loved Lien's story. I wish it there were more of it, but it's such a good story.
Yes. It's quite impressive how much it gets across, especially with only eleven pages.
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Having had more time to think about it, I'd also really love more stories about the Azurites on the tropical island.
I think I just want a sequel to this book. It's really becoming one of my favorites.
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So, the other creature in the Mr. Scruffy story is a Carbuncle, right? But they aren't listed as having the ability to teleport people -- or even cute cats. So what's up with all the teleporting?
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Sermil
So, the other creature in the Mr. Scruffy story is a
Carbuncle, right? But they aren't listed as having the ability to teleport people -- or even cute cats. So what's up with all the teleporting?
Some write-ups (such as this one) give the Carbuncle the blink or dimension door ability.
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Not unreasonable to assume that this was a variant carbuncle with a better teleport (hence why it was being studied)--or possibly with its teleporting magically enhanced by the goblin who had captured it and surrounded it with magical runes.
Totally love that story--have read it probably 5 times. Amazing how much thought and emotion can be conveyed without words.
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Question for those who know 3.5E better than myself.
How much would Lien's ring be worth? In addition to Water Breathing, we know it has some sort of cold resistance built in (per #1031).
I'm guessing it's worth quite a bit more than the 50 gp reward.
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Xianthe
we know it has some sort of cold resistance built in (per #1031).
It's more a required secondary power of water breathing if it allows you to go to the depths of the sea (where it gets really chilly). It also, presumably, makes you resistant to pressure beyond 1 atmosphere.
If anything, it's a subtle dig at the fact that every player and DM tends to assume the ring allows you to go to the bottom of the sea just because you won't drown, despite that being just one of the many issues the ring would need to solve.
Grey Wolf
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Xianthe
Question for those who know 3.5E better than myself.
How much would Lien's ring be worth? In addition to Water Breathing, we know it has some sort of cold resistance built in (per #1031).
I'm guessing it's worth quite a bit more than the 50 gp reward.
Can't find it, but...
Water Breathing is a 3rd level Transmutation spell. Water Walk is also a 3rd level Transmutation spell, not to mention very close thematically. A Ring of Water Walking costs 15,000 gold.
So... yeah, I'd say that was a pretty amazing gift. And a helluva thing to tempt Lien with.
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What I’d like to know is what the hint about Hinjo playing a prominent part in the plot going forward means. What’s his role going to be? I can’t imagine what he could do for the Order at this point, besides maybe acting as a point person remotely for coordination purposes, and maybe the odd spell and bit of lore.
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Emanick
What I’d like to know is what the hint about Hinjo playing a prominent part in the plot going forward means. What’s his role going to be? I can’t imagine what he could do for the Order at this point, besides maybe acting as a point person remotely for coordination purposes, and maybe the odd spell and bit of lore.
Well, O-Chul and Lien are going to report to him, and after that bomb was dropped I started figuring that he may respond in a much more direct way. It also goes towards that prophecy of Belkar saving his life a second time, as well.
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Hats off once again to Mr. Burlew! An excellent and wonderful piece of work.
I too really enjoyed Lien's story. I've always loved her sardonic humor and her story just makes her that much more awesome. Here's to hoping she doesn't die once OoTS is all said and done.
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thog is schrodingers antagonist
Okay, Rich, I don't know what you've won, but you won something. Let me get back to you after the gut I busted laughing heals.
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Okay, so Mr. Scruffy's story implies that Belkar picked him up in the middle of a battle and their friendship began instantly, not developing over the months of resistance fighting. I know Belkar's a ranger and all, but... ah well. Rule of Funny.
Unless there were multiple times Belkar attacked wights with pineapples, which is arguably funnier.
...Is it bad that I'm totally in love with Lien now? And that I want to be O-Chul when I grow up? "...And mirrors exist." Twelve gods, he's everything I've ever wanted to be.
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If OOTS were a real game, "I can't hear you over the sound of my nipples screaming" would be a great submission for Out of Context D&D Quotes.
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the Mr Scruffy story is awesome. Not only does Rich have an amazing comic known for stick figures and awesome dialog, he can create an amazing comic with stick figures and no dialog whatsoever!!
And obscure monsters, too!!
Loved the other two new stories, too!
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Good book, I think I liked the Kato story the best of the new ones.
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godsflunky
Okay, so Mr. Scruffy's story implies that Belkar picked him up in the middle of a battle and their friendship began instantly, not developing over the months of resistance fighting. I know Belkar's a ranger and all, but... ah well. Rule of Funny.
It was already strongly implied that Belkar first met Mr. Scruffy while on that mission and not earlier.
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godsflunky
Okay, so Mr. Scruffy's story implies that Belkar picked him up in the middle of a battle and their friendship began instantly, not developing over the months of resistance fighting.
If you hadn't posted that, I would never have thought that was ever ambiguous. Belkar went after Mr. Scruffy here and pulled him out here.
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While we're on the subject of the Scruffy story, could someone explain why Mr. Scruffy sadly leaves at the end? I understand he was annoyed at being abandoned at the bottom of the hill, and then met the Carbuncle's family, but the last page has me lost.
Unrelatedly, I loved the ettin. I'd completely forgotten about it when I read HtPGHS as a pdf, and it was a pleasure all over again.
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With the way count Durkula was just defeated I had to love this exchange
Saha Kapoor:The other option is to try and take all the empathy you've learned since you were 12 and cram it into Gin-Jun's head before dawn
O-Chul:Thirty years worth in seven hours?
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Sermil
So, the other creature in the Mr. Scruffy story is a
Carbuncle, right? But they aren't listed as having the ability to teleport people -- or even cute cats. So what's up with all the teleporting?
Thank you, you've preemptively answered the question I was going to ask.
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Emanick
What I’d like to know is what the hint about Hinjo playing a prominent part in the plot going forward means. What’s his role going to be? I can’t imagine what he could do for the Order at this point, besides maybe acting as a point person remotely for coordination purposes, and maybe the odd spell and bit of lore.
I'm curious about this as well. I wonder if he will be showing up at Kraagor's Gate pretty soon, or maybe they'll all end up on the other side of the rift, or what.
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While we're on the subject of the Scruffy story, could someone explain why Mr. Scruffy sadly leaves at the end? I understand he was annoyed at being abandoned at the bottom of the hill, and then met the Carbuncle's family, but the last page has me lost.
Unrelatedly, I loved the ettin. I'd completely forgotten about it when I read HtPGHS as a pdf, and it was a pleasure all over again.
Wait, How the Paladin Got His Scar was already released in PDF? I was a Kickstarter backer but I don't think I ever received it. Ah well, doesn't matter now I suppose.
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If you hadn't posted that, I would never have thought that was ever ambiguous. Belkar went after Mr. Scruffy
here and pulled him out
here.
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Oh, wow. Thanks, y'all, I completely forgot about Belkar's line in 516, and him playing with Scruff in 379. Mmkay, I sit corrected!
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MoonCat
While we're on the subject of the Scruffy story, could someone explain why Mr. Scruffy sadly leaves at the end? I understand he was annoyed at being abandoned at the bottom of the hill, and then met the Carbuncle's family, but the last page has me lost.
I think what happens is that Scruffy feels he and the Carbuncle can't do things together any more because the Carbuncle will be looking after its (his? her?) family instead. Fifth wheel... or fifth paw, if you'd prefer. And then the Carbuncle teleports Scruff to somewhere near a friend.
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With the way count Durkula was just defeated I had to love this exchange
Saha Kapoor:The other option is to try and take all the empathy you've learned since you were 12 and cram it into Gin-Jun's head before dawn
O-Chul:Thirty years worth in seven hours?
Nice catch.
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Wait, How the Paladin Got His Scar was already released in PDF? I was a Kickstarter backer but I don't think I ever received it. Ah well, doesn't matter now I suppose.
You had to go and download it, and maybe you missed the announcement in the blizzard of other announcements (Rich is up to, what, 80-something for the Kickstarter?). This version is, of course, slightly superior, so yeah, doesn't matter now.
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You had to go and download it, and maybe you missed the announcement in the blizzard of other announcements (Rich is up to, what, 80-something for the Kickstarter?). This version is, of course, slightly superior, so yeah, doesn't matter now.
I've done that with all the previous stretch goal stories, so I'm not sure how I missed this one. Are we still waiting on any more such stories? It's been so long I can't remember.
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Velaryon
I've done that with all the previous stretch goal stories, so I'm not sure how I missed this one. Are we still waiting on any more such stories? It's been so long I can't remember.
Yep! CCPD, Dim Sun, and Sir Francois, plus what the mystery box prize is.
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Dang, I thought I'd got em all. Thanks!
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The picture of Shojo and mr scruffy, is like the best.
I know! I just love that drawing of Shojo holding his new kitten with shining stars in his eyes!
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Zea mays
I know! I just love that drawing of Shojo holding his new kitten with shining stars in his eyes!
For me, it's the last panel of Lien's story, but Shojo's a close second.
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Man. I really wasn't expecting this from a collection of side stories, but I think this might actually be my favorite book in the OOTS series. The characters, the setting, the history, it's all so thoroughly worked out, and it comes together in very satisfying ways - especially for side characters like Sangwaan, who seem so much more complete now. Well done, Giant.
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Man. I really wasn't expecting this from a collection of side stories, but I think this might actually be my favorite book in the OOTS series. The characters, the setting, the history, it's all so thoroughly worked out, and it comes together in very satisfying ways - especially for side characters like Sangwaan, who seem so much more complete now. Well done, Giant.
Same. I'm lobbying for a Big Blue Book 2: Electric Boogaloo.
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I think Scruffy didn't want to leave Azure City and knew their paths were now separate. Carby had found their family and would presumably be staying with them, and it just wouldn't be the same. I'm glad they got to say goodbye before Scruffy joined the Order, though. It was a great story. I enjoyed all three stories but as a cat lover and a big fan of Mr. Scruffy I have a soft spot for this one for sure.
I wonder what Redcloak wanted with the carbuncle though.
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I think Scruffy didn't want to leave Azure City and knew their paths were now separate. Carby had found their family and would presumably be staying with them, and it just wouldn't be the same. I'm glad they got to say goodbye before Scruffy joined the Order, though. It was a great story. I enjoyed all three stories but as a cat lover and a big fan of Mr. Scruffy I have a soft spot for this one for sure.
I wonder what Redcloak wanted with the carbuncle though.
I think it's more Scruffy wanted a new family, and Carby already had one. Shojo and Belkar had nothing tying them down, Carby had kids.
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Got my book today. Agree with everyone who called out the Shojo & Scruffy panel as a heart-melter. But on that same page, the two Miko panels, Mr Scruffy remembering Miko as a horrible scary monster...I hadn't ever thought about Mr Scruffy being traumatized before :( My melted heart re-formed just so it could snap in two.
This also makes any moment since then, where Belkar has been seriously hurt in front of Mr Scruffy, retroactively more upsetting. And I am also now extra upset about Belkar's death prophecy. Poor little kitty.
Finally, Scruffy's story strongly reminded me of Avatar: The Last Airbender, both Momo's Tale from the episode "Tales of Ba Sing Se", and the episode "Appa's Lost Days." In fact, the echoes are so strong that I doubt it's a coincidence (I know Rich has named ATLA as an influence before.) Stories about suffering animals, man. Tough to read.
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Ya know, I actually envy the elves. Babies grow too damn fast. I'd do anything to have a years worth of time with my baby at every RL-month of development.
Of course, I ain't the one feeding the little dude, so that's easy for me to say.
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Got my book today. Agree with everyone who called out the Shojo & Scruffy panel as a heart-melter. But on that same page, the two Miko panels, Mr Scruffy remembering Miko as a horrible scary monster...I hadn't ever thought about Mr Scruffy being traumatized before :( My melted heart re-formed just so it could snap in two.
This also makes any moment since then, where Belkar has been seriously hurt in front of Mr Scruffy, retroactively more upsetting. And I am also now extra upset about Belkar's death prophecy. Poor little kitty.
Aww, man, I didn't think of it that way! Yeah, Scruffy's gonna be heartbroken again when Belkar dies. Unless Scruff goes down with him.
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Merely wanted to share my agreement. My copy arrived last night and I thoroughly enjoyed the new material (and Southern Continent map!)
I agree with the Avatar-influenced Scruffy story, but I enjoyed the others much more. The Kato story was just so unusual. When do you see a D&D story that's just about a couple experiencing real-world stress while trying to solve a very fantasy problem in a completely non-confrontational manner? And how likable are they? Wonderful.
As for the Lien story, I can only say I enjoy how normal she is for a Paladin. Rich has said Miko is the worst way to portray a Paladin, while O-Chul is arguably the opposite, and Hinjo is very much a stereotypical fairy tale Paladin; a noble prince and leader of faith and daring. But Lien is just a woman who loves the sea and has an ingrained sense of right and wrong. I think Rich has subtly done a fantastic job exploring a class that is largely idealized in a single shade.
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As for the Lien story, I can only say I enjoy how normal she is for a Paladin. Rich has said Miko is the worst way to portray a Paladin, while O-Chul is arguably the opposite, and Hinjo is very much a stereotypical fairy tale Paladin; a noble prince and leader of faith and daring. But Lien is just a woman who loves the sea and has an ingrained sense of right and wrong. I think Rich has subtly done a fantastic job exploring a class that is largely idealized in a single shade.
That's a great way to put it. O-Chul is the bright shining beacon of what people should strive to be, but Lien is what some people already are. Makes her incredibly easy to identify with (even more so if you love the water as well. Go Lien!).
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Aww, man, I didn't think of it that way! Yeah, Scruffy's gonna be heartbroken again when Belkar dies. Unless Scruff goes down with him.
Or before of him.
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I wonder what Redcloak wanted with the carbuncle though.
The jewel eventually falls out and another one grows in its place. Seems a good reason to keep one around (as long as the food you feed it is less than the value of the jewel)
Grey Wolf
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Gorgon_Heap
Merely wanted to share my agreement. My copy arrived last night and I thoroughly enjoyed the new material (and Southern Continent map!)
I agree with the Avatar-influenced Scruffy story, but I enjoyed the others much more. The Kato story was just so unusual. When do you see a D&D story that's just about a couple experiencing real-world stress while trying to solve a very fantasy problem in a completely non-confrontational manner? And how likable are they? Wonderful.
As for the Lien story, I can only say I enjoy how normal she is for a Paladin. Rich has said Miko is the worst way to portray a Paladin, while O-Chul is arguably the opposite, and Hinjo is very much a stereotypical fairy tale Paladin; a noble prince and leader of faith and daring. But Lien is just a woman who loves the sea and has an ingrained sense of right and wrong. I think Rich has subtly done a fantastic job exploring a class that is largely idealized in a single shade.
Great points all. You're so right about the Katos' story (although as to non-confrontational: "Look, some mothers always have cough drops, then there's me."). And also about Lien. I hadn't thought of it from that angle. O-Chul is the man I want to be; Lien is much more like I actually am.
I can live with that.
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Soooo... once I get my physical copy, where SHOULD I place it among my set? My current order is 1, 0, 2, -1, 3, 4, D, and 5. But really, where should 1/2 go?
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Hinjo is very much a stereotypical fairy tale Paladin; a noble prince and leader of faith and daring.
I agree with everything you said except this. I really feel that sells Hinjo seriously short, considering he's one of the most multidimensional characters in my eyes.
On the one hand, you have the man who strives to be the shining paragon of Paladins that O-Chul has shown him throughout HPGHS, and you see how he pulls it off in moments where he tries to talk down Miko after she killed the only family he had. That kind of moment showed just how selfless, honest, and good he is, that he could keep calm and strive to do the right thing without judging her for taking away the only family he had.
On the other, he's Shojo's nephew and the new ruler of Azure City: he's shown himself to have Shojo's cunning as a leader. He's deceptive to Elan in DStP in order to take down Kubota, he guilt trips Roy into being his bodyguard and bends the laws in The Trial of Belkar Bitterleaf: Abridged version.
With Hinjo, I see a duality and confliction of how to be the best Paladin he can be, and the leader he needs to be. When Daigo tells him "We need a leader more than a paladin" (paraphrase) as he's leaving Azure City (read: a not paladin act), you can see how torn he is.
O Chul represents the perfect Paladin. Miko represents the failure Paladin. Lien represents the human paladin, and Shojo undoubtably represents the pragmatic leader. Hinjo's not a stereotype, he's a deconstruction of how those positions interact, and arguably the most human and torn of the bunch. That he's also the one thrust in charge just makes his conflict all the sweeter.
(He's also my favorite character. If not blatantly obvious.)
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I assume Hinjo's major role left to play isn't necessarily tied to the main action. Resolving things with Gobbotopia or getting involved with the Western Continent stuff comes to mind.
Interesting that Thog knew Nale when they were both children. Exotic child slave given to Nale as a birthday present? Adopted son of shoulderpads man?
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I assume Hinjo's major role left to play isn't necessarily tied to the main action. Resolving things with Gobbotopia or getting involved with the Western Continent stuff comes to mind.
There's the prophecy ahoy Belkar saving Hinjo's life twice, though. Plus, speaking solely for myself, I wouldn't consider Gobbotopia or Western Comtinent resolutions to be major roles.
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0Megabyte
Soooo... once I get my physical copy, where SHOULD I place it among my set? My current order is 1, 0, 2, -1, 3, 4, D, and 5. But really, where should 1/2 go?
The stories bounce all over timeline-wise, since it's an anthology. But as O-Chul's story is the major piece, and it falls obviously between... dang, it falls between parts of SoD and DCF. But for my tastes, it fits better between SoD and DCF than anywhere else.
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I assume Hinjo's major role left to play isn't necessarily tied to the main action. Resolving things with Gobbotopia or getting involved with the Western Continent stuff comes to mind.
In a bonus strip in Paladin Blues, which I will spoiler here, Spoiler
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Sangwaan predicted that Belkar would save Hinjo's life twice. Many forum members have argued the second time has already happened indirectly somehow, but I disagree. I think Belkar is going to be in a position to directly save Hinjo's life once more
which argues for Hinjo playing a major role in the main story ahead... somehow.
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The scene after O'Chul and Hinjo learn the lore? Now I understand the pledge to 'share a drink' together.
Also, "the day you learn [all this heavy ****] is the day you come of age."
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Lien's parents were fishers, right, and not some kind of Noble Fishers? So in between O-Chul's story and Lien's story, Shojo managed to change the Sapphire Guard to the point where they were actively recruiting outside of nobility.
I agree that Hinjo will be at Kraagor's gate for part of book 7. He's basically the leader of the "ordinary" forces of good (and I love his character, too, Toad.)
Eve: GREAT catch on the "empathy download" line!! Much much much too specific not to be deliberate. Aaugh, what a genius touch.
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Soooo... once I get my physical copy, where SHOULD I place it among my set? My current order is 1, 0, 2, -1, 3, 4, D, and 5. But really, where should 1/2 go?
After 4, I'd say. The Kato tale and Scruffy's tale both take place after or during the events of book 4. Edit: And I think the other three stories (Therkla, Lien, and O-Chul) would be way less meaningful without having first read 3 and 4. Therkla in particular--her story barely makes sense without that background.
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Re: Good Deeds Gone Unpunished - The Discussion Thread (Unmarked Spoilers!)
Man, the scene between Therkla and Kubota where they talk about poisons hit me in the feels!
Kubota: Just be certain to hand in a list of which poisons you have studied, for our records.
Therkla: Uh, sure! You know, I bet I could learn even more about resisting poison, if that's something you think--
Kubota: No, that won't be necessary.
Poor Therkla....
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Re: Good Deeds Gone Unpunished - The Discussion Thread (Unmarked Spoilers!)
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Re: Good Deeds Gone Unpunished - The Discussion Thread (Unmarked Spoilers!)
And how about when Shojo comments that he should really get a door that will stop people from listening in on his conversations? Should have followed up on that one...