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V's Gender Debate IV [Official]
And why is it [official]? Because it's the first after Giant closed the other threads for being competitive, duplicative, and spammy, and ordered us to move on.
Now, to begin the discussion:
I say, who cares? Live and let live. It's not like you can tell half the time with elves anyway. However, (s)he always struck me as having a slightly more masculine personality than feminine. Impatient (as far as a wizard can be, at least,) violent, arrogant...all frequently perceived as masculine (or at least Yangish) traits, and all emphasized in V at one point or another.
Discuss. Politely.
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The only ansver to this is that people are much less gendered than some of you think. The traits you list above for V are not masculine, they are just human.
Some societies and ethnic groups still think a woman is supposed inherently kind, meek and unambitious. That's just cultural baggage of a rather nasty kind. Gender racism.
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Originally Posted by Adeptus
Gender racism.
Wouldn't saying 'sexism' be simpler? Or do you mean something different?
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Originally Posted by Dhavaer
Wouldn't saying 'sexism' be simpler? Or do you mean something different?
It would be - but it lacks the rhetorical punch added by invoking racism.
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Originally Posted by Roland St. Jude
It would be - but it lacks the rhetorical punch added by invoking racism.
Hahahaha, oh snap.
My comment resposted from just before the last thread closed:
Vaarsuvius as a character fascinates me. I find I really, really care what gender he is, and thinking of him as a male makes me have a different attitude to thinking of... her, as a female.
Being that I didn't formerly buy the feminist crap that gender makes a fundamental difference to my perceptions of people (Or at least anyone I don't actively want to have sex with), Im sort of surprised. And now I find I don't want to know what gender Vaarsuvius is, cause I find his actions more interesting without the framework...
Im definitely overanalysing this, and Vaarsuvius is a fictional character so it's dumb. Still, does anyone else find him/her more interesting in some way because you don't know what gender he/she is?
Of course, being that Vaarsuvius is an interesting and intelligent character with a three-dimensional personality, I think it's fairly safe to assume he's not female.
*ducks and rolls*
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Having dated someone whose gender I didn't know until we ended up in bed I can safely say it doesn't make a bit of difference.
You like someone or not. You fancy someone or not.
In V's case, we have someone with an outspoken mind, someone who I know I would love to be friends with, who would drive me nuts as a lover, and who I definitely wouldn't want as an enemy.
Those feelings won't change because I suddenly know V's gender.
V is genderqueer, undefined and taht does, sort of, make V more interesting.
If gender was suddenly revealed, it woudl posisbly just be a dissapointment, beause the mystery would then be gone.
So while this discussion itself is interesting I am not sure what we are trying to establish here?
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personally, even if she's agressive and stuff, I see her as a female. I think she does become quite "male"ish when his/her friends are acting stupid again. But if (s)he is male why would haley go in the same room when they go at an inn or similar?
also some considerable evidense is on the OOTS comic #123.
therefore, my point of view is that either V is a female, an "it" or...likes guys...
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At one point or another I mentioned that it would make sense for V to be male, so that Haley could be the only girl in the party - I also share the opinion that I have never heard the unbridled arrogance V displays on a woman before. Then again, I'm not an elf.
Also, it would make sense for Haley to feel safe rooming with V because she knows that V's married, whether or not they share a gender. And it isn't as if she wants to pay for her own private room...
Out of curiosity, has anyone ever heard Haley refer to V by gender? His, hers, or other such? That seems like it would be the surest clue. I'll have to reread the archives for the seventh or eigth time...
That said, V is just as interesting as a genderless character, in my opinion, and I don't actually have an emotional stake in the issue. Anyways, off to do that whole archive thing - peace all.
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Originally Posted by The Doctor
Having dated someone whose gender I didn't know until we ended up in bed I can safely say it doesn't make a bit of difference.
:o
How many other aspects of your life are like a TV show? That must have been an interesting relationship.
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Originally Posted by The Doctor
Having dated someone whose gender I didn't know until we ended up in bed I can safely say it doesn't make a bit of difference.
It might just be me, but that's something I would have liked to know before the pants hit the floor.
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Originally Posted by storybookknight
I also share the opinion that I have never heard the unbridled arrogance V displays on a woman before. Then again, I'm not an elf.
I've known several girls who've had the same kind of personality that V has. However, I too think that V's personality would most likely belong to a man. (Not that it couldn't possible belong to a woman though...)
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V is probably a woman. The fact that her arranged marriage was to a man seals it, along with her need to be roomed with another woman.
also, it could be non-gendered, but who wants to find out ??? (anyone who does has a sick, sick mind.)
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Originally Posted by tomspeeder22
The fact that her arranged marriage was to a man
... is not a 'fact'. Where does it say that?
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Originally Posted by The Doctor
Having dated someone whose gender I didn't know until we ended up in bed I can safely say it doesn't make a bit of difference.
You like someone or not. You fancy someone or not.
And the more power to you!
NIIICE avatar.
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Originally Posted by Adeptus
The only ansver to this is that people are much less gendered than some of you think. The traits you list above for V are not masculine, they are just human.
Some societies and ethnic groups still think a woman is supposed inherently kind, meek and unambitious. That's just cultural baggage of a rather nasty kind. Gender racism.
That's rather hyperbolic, Adeptus. True, some gender roles are socially constructed, but there are many differences between males and females which arise from natural bioloical facts. Besides which, there's nothing inherently bad about males and females being different from each other in generally consistent ways, nor about some traits being more common in males than in females. The only wrongness comes from using those differences as a source of oppression.
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Originally Posted by The Doctor
Having dated someone whose gender I didn't know until we ended up in bed
Whoa... seriously? If you don't mind my asking, how was it that this person's gender was so obscured? Did they have a particularly unusual manner of dress, or very non-descript features, or what?
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Originally Posted by tomspeeder22
V is probably a woman. The fact that her arranged marriage was to a man seals it,
What are you talking about, Tom? It was never stated that V's mate was a man, nor, as far as I know, that the marriage was arranged. Are you confusing Vaarsuvius with Hilgya?
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Originally Posted by Holy_Knight
you don't mind my asking, how was it that this person's gender was so obscured? Did they have a particularly unusual manner of dress, or very non-descript features, or what?
My date's appearance was androgyn, and dressed in such a way as to make it hard to guess gender (short cut hair, loose shirt and trousers, etc). Could have been a guy, could have been a girl.
Now, I could make a guess, but I wasn't sure. And I could have asked, but since we both had already agreed that gender was not really a factor, I didn't, figuring I would find out later.
Many people have an aversion to the mere idea of a sexual relation ship with a man or a woman, so I guess they would be troubled.
If you set that thought aside, if you, so to speak, don't mind to dance with a boy or girl, then gender just becomes fluff. You can safely have a crush for someone you meet without being emberrased later on. It's a lot easier, really.
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Okay I think Vaarsuvius is a girl, and know that she is a guy.
Yes that sounded really wierd.
I think she is a girl, because that was what I first interpreted her as being on reading the first comic, and what I thought she was for at least 150 comics, probably more around 290 (whenever I started reading these forums is when I changed my mind) I had this interpretation for one, and only one reason. Specifically, in the 3.0 D&D core rulebooks, there is an elven wizard, who is female, as such all elven wizards are female until proven otherwise for me. Also said Mialee the wizard acts sort os like Vaarsuvius, further reinforcing my assumptions, and later comics such as the Elan's weapon of choice, and #123 reinforced m assumption.
Now I know that she is a guy because Rich Burlew actually said it in these forums. Go back to the very last page in the comics forums and read every thread. Thats what I did, and somewhere there Bogotter the modotter said he thought V was a she and EVERYONE disagreed, and then Bogotter the Modotter made a thread about how he was wrong when Rich typed V as a he in the animal companions thread.
In conclusion, I don't care. I know V is a he and yet still whenever I see someone say V as a he I automatically correct it in my mind thinking, thats wron its she, and a second later remembering, oh wait, nevermind they are right.
Wow that was a really long post, hope its not too conusing
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Originally Posted by Tyrasius
Okay I think Vaarsuvius is a girl, and know that she is a guy.
Yes that sounded really wierd.
I think she is a girl, because that was what I first interpreted her as being on reading the first comic, and what I thought she was for at least 150 comics, probably more around 290 (whenever I started reading these forums is when I changed my mind) I had this interpretation for one, and only one reason. Specifically, in the 3.0 D&D core rulebooks, there is an elven wizard, who is female, as such all elven wizards are female until proven otherwise for me. Also said Mialee the wizard acts sort os like Vaarsuvius, further reinforcing my assumptions, and later comics such as the Elan's weapon of choice, and #123 reinforced m assumption.
Now I know that she is a guy because Rich Burlew actually said it in these forums. Go back to the very last page in the comics forums and read every thread. Thats what I did, and somewhere there Bogotter the modotter said he thought V was a she and EVERYONE disagreed, and then Bogotter the Modotter made a thread about how he was wrong when Rich typed V as a he in the animal companions thread.
In conclusion, I don't care. I know V is a he and yet still whenever I see someone say V as a he I automatically correct it in my mind thinking, thats wron its she, and a second later remembering, oh wait, nevermind they are right.
Wow that was a really long post, hope its not too conusing
Oh my god...not again. >.<
Rich Burlew uses the word he when referring to Vaarsuvius, but the Giant has also stated that Vaarsuvius does not have a determined gender and that his/her perceived gender changes from strip to strip.
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Woah... I forgot I was registered here. Anywho:
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My date's appearance was androgyn, and dressed in such a way as to make it hard to guess gender (short cut hair, loose shirt and trousers, etc). Could have been a guy, could have been a girl.
Now, I could make a guess, but I wasn't sure. And I could have asked, but since we both had already agreed that gender was not really a factor, I didn't, figuring I would find out later.
If you don't mind me asking, what was you partner's discovered gender?
Concerning V, I have no real arguement either way. When I fisrt read the comics, I always perceived her/him as male. It came as quite a shock when I visited these forums and found a heated debate over V's gender. Of course, this entitled a re-read of the comics.
Though I now see that there is not much evidence either way, when I read the comics, I also picture V with a male voice. Ah, well [/my 2 cents]
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Simple.
Varsuvius is a guy. Otherwise, he would have been 'Varsuvia.'
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I have a mildly unrelated remark -- one reason while I love OotS AND the forums is, that really cool people are hanging around here. I like you folks (what gender you ever choose to be...)
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Originally Posted by Rinion
Woah... I forgot I was registered here. Anywho:
If you don't mind me asking, what was you partner's discovered gender?
It turned out my first guess (I changed my perception a few times during the date) had been correct.
Btw I originally did think V was male due to the name, but since elf names likely do not follow the same pattern as ancient Rome, I don't think it proves anything in the end.
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Originally Posted by The Doctor
It turned out my first guess (I changed my perception a few times during the date) had been correct.
What an impressive way to dodge the question.
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Originally Posted by bluish_wolf
What an impressive way to dodge the question.
900 years of experience must count for something.
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Originally Posted by The Doctor
My date's appearance was androgyn, and dressed in such a way as to make it hard to guess gender (short cut hair, loose shirt and trousers, etc). Could have been a guy, could have been a girl.
Now, I could make a guess, but I wasn't sure. And I could have asked, but since we both had already agreed that gender was not really a factor, I didn't, figuring I would find out later.
Thanks for the explanation. I was just curious since with most people you can tell pretty much right away.
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Originally Posted by tee_kay_one
I have a mildly unrelated remark -- one reason while I love OotS AND the forums is, that really cool people are hanging around here. I like you folks (what gender you ever choose to be...)
Aw, thanks tee_kay_one. And I agree, the vast majority of posters on this board are great, it's a really nice community. (Especially compared to a lot of the nonsense that infests most internet forums.) So I will echo your sentiment. :)
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I do know some very... "masculine" females and some very... uh... "feminine" males, and I always thought V was a Guy... but when Haley Bunked with hir in the Inn, I thought...hm and then, while discissing over MSN with Drake Dragonslayer (he still active?) I pointed out #116 and inside the same second we both said "SHE CAN SEE!". So either V's a she, V's a guy who "likes guys", or the Marriage between V and the unmet spouse is very secure.
The main pro-she argument, I think, is still that Pompeii is a he.
BTW Doctor, very clever... and I have to ask, what was it like Filming with Queen Victoria?
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Before I started reading the Forum I never doubted that V was a guy. It didn't ever occur to me, that there might be a debate... ;D
A classical education will do that... (any name ending with -us has to be male) But a friend of mine never doubted that V was a girl and he was also quite astonished when he discovered the debate. So I suppose that it's entirely in the eye of the beholder... ;)
But just for statistical purposes I asked several other people (who don't read OotS) for their opinion and they all said 'female'. So I suppose I'd count as the odd one... 8)
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Ok, I'm going to show my points of why V is a female. One, V hangs out with Haley. And V could be the girlfriend of Haley that she shares her secrets with V. Two, V loves to drag out speeches. Most to all females love to talk and seem to never stop, you should hear my girlfriend ::). (That's not a bad thing, I still love you sweetie :-*) And in "On the Origins of the PCs." and when V breaks the table, Roy says that V is hired. And V says "Bah!! You are clearly only hiring me because I intimidated you intellectually, to the point where your masculine pride requires you to establish your dominance over my superior mind." Because a lot of women feel that they are smarter men and that men have dominance over them. So with that, V must be a female.
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gender expressions are overrated. maybe v's player just doesn't care about the gender of their pc. how does gender effect a character and game play? other than -2 on disguise checks.
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Originally Posted by TheJet31619
Ok, I'm going to show my points of why V is a female. One, V hangs out with Haley. And V could be the girlfriend of Haley that she shares her secrets with V.
Sure, "could" be, but V could also be the sensitive male friend that Haley finds non-threatening. We also know that Haley tends to have trouble getting along with other females.
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Originally Posted by TheJet31619
Two, V loves to drag out speeches. Most to all females love to talk and seem to never stop.
Maybe, but they typically don't talk like V does, but rather more like this. ;D It's a more typically masculine thing to go into long, know-it-all explanations of every little thing.
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Originally Posted by TheJet31619
And in "On the Origins of the PCs." and when V breaks the table, Roy says that V is hired. And V says "Bah!! You are clearly only hiring me because I intimidated you intellectually, to the point where your masculine pride requires you to establish your dominance over my superior mind." Because a lot of women feel that they are smarter men and that men have dominance over them. So with that, V must be a female.
This is inconclusive too. V could just be very aware of how most people's minds tend to work, male or female, and his understanding of Roy's psychology could have come from being a male himself. Besides, being derisive of that way of thinking doesn't mean he's more likely to be female--I myself am a male and very much attracted to women, but I find a lot of people that could be called "stereotypical males" to pretty much just be jackasses.
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sides, if you associate 'masculine' with testosterone, and 'feminine' with estrogen, you could make a very easy argument that elves have low testosterone regardless of gender since they are seen as more feminine. This could actually lead to some interesting theoretical analysis of their fantasy psychology based off of the research on the long-term effects of testosterone (mostly correlations, and thus non-conclusive), but I'll make a simple anaylisis and say that since all elves are typically portrayed as less masculine, that all elves have a lower average level of testosterone, and thus as an elf, V thinks of most human men as being 'masculine' since, compared to almost any elf, almost any human man IS masculine.
... ok, that was a long psuedo-scientific rant, and I think I looped myself, so recap: elves tend to be portrayed as being feminine, as such V. can (almost) safely assume that a human man will be more masculine then himself.
Note: my use of himself and other pro-nouns in regards to V. does not indicate any belief of V.'s gender that I may have. I'm just lazy.
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I say hermaphroditic...
ok ok I know it sounds stupid, but I just had to post something.
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Originally Posted by Demiplane
Simple.
Varsuvius is a guy. Otherwise, he would have been 'Varsuvia.'
Who say's its a second declension name? It might be third or fourth declension, which would make it neuter. Or it could just be irregular. Or I could be completely overanylizing this :).
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Ha, time I finally posted in this crazy topic.
Arrogance, garrulousness, long pretentious rants? Oh man, I sure know members of both sexes who do that. ::waves::
Likewise, mocking "masculine pride"? That's just being smart and tactless, not gendered.
Haley's roommate? V is Haley's best buddy in the party, so they room together. And Haley's not the most uptight of women, either, one gathers. Moreover, V is married -- maybe elves are properly monogamous and thus it's a non-issue, who knows?
-us ending? Well, Finwe nailed it. No need to say more.
I also liked the point about V's player not bothering to figure it out; I didn't settle on a gender for my last character until I picked a relevant and mellifluous Quenya root for the name and decided that the -on ending sounded better.
You're all on the wrong track here: elves clearly just don't care about that, unlike you silly humans. And I'm *positive* that V's spouse is equally ambiguous, and possibly biologically the same, just by the Giant's unbreakable rules of AWESOME.
Doctor, on the other hand...you rock like whoa. As does V, who is indisputably hawt (but that's another thread). W00t, genderqueer for the win. ;D
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Originally Posted by Finwe
Or I could be completely overanylizing this :).
Everything worth analyzing is worth over-analyzing.
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What OOTS characters Think V Is
Male
Roy (#9)
Elan (#87)
Nale (#252)
2 Azure wizards (#306)
Female
Potion seller (#135)
Dwarven assassin (#240)
Sabine (#252)
Unclear
Horse valet (#173)
Belkar (#177)
Score: 4-3-2
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New (old really) fuel for the fire. I was looking back through the "origins" thread on the first page, and somebody linked to the ORIGINAL OOTS thread. And on this page, 4th from the bottom, Rawbear makes this assertion:
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Sorry, Bogotter, I don't know if Rich was using these when you guys played years ago, but he's been using stick figure minis against us for a while, and i've come to learn that all of his female avatars have apparent breasts.
If you take a gander at
http://www.giantitp.com/cgi-bin/yabb...tion=display;n um=1060497491 you'll notice this. Even the Dwarven Female in full plate has them :) Varsuvvius has a rectangular torso, he's a dude :P
Then right below that, The Giant responds with:
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You don't know that. You are only drawing that conclusion based on previous examples. For all you know, I deliberately decided to create a sexually-ambiguous elf; in such a circumstance, I would clearly break my own "rules" on how I drew them. :P
Except there has been quotes since then saying that V's ambiguity was NOT intended (somebody please re-link that... I suck at searching), but rather something he saw on the messageboards, and then ran with.
Nothing's conclusive (or this debate would never have gone on this long), but this is definitely more fuel for the "V's Male" fire. Or at the least, originally INTENDED to be male.
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Yeah, isn't it annoying when induction doesn't work? Specially since thats what almost all of our scientific knowledge is based on?
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Only thing I have to say is V's always struck me as a female charecter. Mainly because she bunks with Haley.
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Am I the only one who almost hopes we never find out (or at least not until the very end)? There are so many absolutely hilarious situations this debate can get the OOTS into, and the Giant's touch with the whole issue is so fantastic, I'll be just as happy with the mystery.
Also, I wonder if V is deliberately hiding his/her gender, or if s/he just acts and dresses the way s/he wants to (do you pick your clothes out based on what gender they make you look? I don't; I go based on comfort, color, and style, not gender appropriateness) without regard to what other people think? I mean, if memory serves, s/he's been fairly evasive on the subject in the past, but nobody's ever come right out and asked, either. If we assume that elven attitudes toward gender and sexuality are different than human ones, isn't it possible that they just don't care at all, and can't really understand that humans do unless it gets spelled out for them?
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I say she is female for a reason that is undeniable.
A married man would never room with a sexy girl like haley.
And, uh Wreckan? Belkar is soo male! ::)
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I say (backed up by multiple people, none of whom post) that 123:
http://www.giantitp.com/cgi-bin/Gian...tscript?SK=123
proves it that V is Female. Also, hayley, who is as far as we can tell, V's best friend, says "the boys" referencing the others, NOT V.
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She uses "boys" to reference their immaturity, not merely their gender.
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She uses "boys" to reference their immaturity, not merely their gender.
Game, set, and match.
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Originally Posted by Aereshaa The Bitter
A married man would never room with a sexy girl like haley.
V, being an elf, is biologically different. What is hot to humans may not be to elves.
Also, Elves may operate under different societal mores, such that perhaps physical dalliances with human lovers / mistresses / partners aren't a concern among Elves, married or otherwise.
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So what would happen if Pat (or Vaarsuvius) put on the Girdle of Masculinity/Femininity? Hmmmmm?
:-/
I've been going over some of the older posts and noticed this, thought I'd bring it up
(Pat was something they where discussing at the time)
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V, being an elf, is biologically different. What is hot to humans may not be to elves.
Not that different. They are half-elves, after all.
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Excuse my political incorrectness, but there is a difference between men and women. There are agressive women and 'feminine' guys, but these are not standard. On average the two genders react similiary to certain situations, which are different than what the other gender would.
Some of this is cultural, other biological. So for the love of Pete (or Petra, you'll have to ask The Doctor ::) ), everyone puh-leeze quit with the 'thats just how humans act'. Yes, male humans act one way, female humans another, generally speaking.
Aaaanyways, I always thought V was a guy, but now I could see it both ways. I hoenstly don't see how this has stretched to over a hundred pages however...
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V is male, that I am certain of. No breasts, male eye position (upper third of the face as opposed to middle for females). He sure is (from a human point of view) as gay as they come. Yet that's just plain elven, although it could still be, even with him being married. For all we know (or rather don't), it could be a gay marriage. That last bit also conveniently explains why he shares a room with Haley without removing the point that he is male.
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V is male, that I am certain of. No breasts, male eye position (upper third of the face as opposed to middle for females)
Actually, it has been shown in a previous thread that V's eyes are in a gender neutral position on his head, however I can't locate the link at the moment. The eye thing has been mentioned numerous times in the other V's gender debate threads though. (Not the casual one that I know of... yet.)
Edit: Ugh, typo.
I have located the link hovever: http://www.giantitp.com/cgi-bin/yabb...28;start=89#89
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Aren't these listed in the Important/Reoccuring/FAQ Threads or Notices? No? Looks like it needs updating! ;D
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My maths is screwy. How did I think it was "nearly six weeks" after 6 May?! Sorry, all.
You know what? V's Gender Debate IV still is the current thread. :-[
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My maths is screwy. How did I think it was "nearly six weeks" after 6 May?! Sorry, all.
You know what? V's Gender Debate IV still is the current thread. :-[
That's because Lilly bumped it. Moderators are allowed to pracitce threadcromancy. ;)
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*sigh*... I can't believe you all are still debating this. ::)
These is how the last comic is going to go down:
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1, The thing in the shadow is going to ask wether it can come out yet.. in the last pannel.
2. V's gender is still going to STILL be unknown.
:P
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*sigh*... I can't believe you all are still debating this. ::)
These is how the last comic is going to go down:
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1, The thing in the shadow is going to ask wether it can come out yet.. in the last pannel.
2. V's gender is still going to STILL be unknown.
:P
Don't be silly. We're not still talking about it. And V is male. :D
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Originally Posted by Aereshaa The Bitter
And, uh Wreckan? Belkar is soo male! ::)
Nono... Wrecan meant that Belkar doesn't know what gender V. is.
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Re: V's Gender Debate IV [Official]
What a great debate...except that after reading the First Thread of it (yes, 49 *whimper* pages) then finding out that there were more threads...I skipped threads two and three. Scary, scary, scary.
I'm really, really new to OotS, but it is easily the most awesome comic that ever existed...when I have funds I'm buying those books.
If I had to pick, V is female...for so many reasons, all of which have been said before.
But I just had to post and say, isn't V written so fabulously? Has anyone ever seen a character before that is SO sexually unclear, that so much can be written about them? Awesome work!
Korta
p.s...I'm positive Haley knows the truth.....but she'll never reveal it....
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Re: V's Gender Debate IV [Official]
The truth? Rich hasn't created a designated gender, so not even he knows. It's just for added comedy. It's still funny from the characters's perspectives. Just as we all know Pat from SNL is technically female (played by Julia Sweeney), but still (don't) laugh because the characters are clueless. Unless Rich has modeled it after someone, V is, in fact, an "it".